Why Denver is Superior to the Chiefs, not only as a team but a franchise

[Northman]

Dont know exactly why i was thinking about this all day but it make me curious. I was wondering what the playoff stats were for Denver and for K.C in the playoffs. so, i did a little digging and this is what i found out.


Denver: Playoffs

At home- 11-2
on Road- 3-8
Super Bowl Appearances- 6
Super Bowl wins- 2
Overall Playoff Appearances (record): 24 ( 14-10 )


Kansas City: Playoffs

At Home- 2-4
on Road- 1-6
Super Bowl Appearances- 2
Super Bowl wins- 1
Overal Playoff Appearances (record): 13 ( 3-10 )


Not only has Denver had much more success getting to the Playoffs but Denver has had greater success when getting there. The most astonishing ( or not lol ) comparison is the W/L at home. So for all the K.C chumps who like to laugh about our playoff and Super Bowl losses i would just one thing. i would rather make the playoffs with a chance to win than not have any chance at all. And come Sunday when Denver delievers another blow to your playoff hopes you guys will again be on the outside looking in. yet again. :woowoo:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You're wrong. I don't know how many playoff wins we have, but it's more than 3. We had 3 in the 90s.

[Paladin]

Now that's an interesting comparison. Would any mullet like to comment about that?

[Paladin]

So, boob, find out and get back to us, will you?

[Northman]

Here's the link for you Bob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs

[DomCasual]

At the end of the day, everything about the Denver Broncos is first class - the city, the facilities, the mountains, the coaching staff, the owner, the fans. It's a first class organization that is one of the most respected in the league.

The Chiefs have a few things that they do well. But the city is crap. (Sorry if that offends, but it is true. The place has almost no redeeming qualities.) They have plugged through three head coaches (soon to be four) in the time we have had one. The GM is an idiot (see Tait, John). And the fans are a bunch of in-breds. (Okay, that last one is a bit subjective - so sue me.)

All the things you mentioned are true, too. There is just no comparison between the organizations. And that is exactly why the Chiefs fans see this game as their Super Bowl. They know that they don't compare, so knocking off the Broncos can make their season a success - even while they watch us in the playoffs.

[azbroncfan]

You're wrong. I don't know how many playoff wins we have, but it's more than 3. We had 3 in the 90s.
Who did they beat?

[orangeatheist]

At the end of the day, everything about the Denver Broncos is first class - the city, the facilities, the mountains, the coaching staff, the owner, the fans.

Don't forget the airport. Don't ever forget the airport.

[Northman]

At the end of the day, everything about the Denver Broncos is first class - the city, the facilities, the mountains, the coaching staff, the owner, the fans. It's a first class organization that is one of the most respected in the league.

The Chiefs have a few things that they do well. But the city is crap. (Sorry if that offends, but it is true. The place has almost no redeeming qualities.) They have plugged through three head coaches (soon to be four) in the time we have had one. The GM is an idiot (see Tait, John). And the fans are a bunch of in-breds. (Okay, that last one is a bit subjective - so sue me.)

All the things you mentioned are true, too. There is just no comparison between the organizations. And that is exactly why the Chiefs fans see this game as their Super Bowl. They know that they don't compare, so knocking off the Broncos can make their season a success - even while they watch us in the playoffs.


Yep, your right on the money there. they seem to see a Chief victory over the Broncos every now and then as their highlight. i used to think that it was just goofing around when people would say that the Chiefs seem content with just making the playoffs but they really show no anger about not doing better in the postseason or even making it there.

[DomCasual]

Don't forget the airport. Don't ever forget the airport.
Oh yeah. I forgot that. The comparitive spin our punters can put on the ball sort of evens all that other stuff out, too.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Who did they beat?

The Raiders, Steelers and Oilers.

[orangeatheist]

You're wrong. I don't know how many playoff wins we have, but it's more than 3. We had 3 in the 90s.


Is this the same Bob whom Chefplanet fans hailed as the "Donk" conquerer over on the "Mange"? The guy who humilates "Donk" fans with blistering knowledge of stats? That Bob?

[Northman]

Actually, i may have given them too much credit. looking back over it i only see 2 wins.

Raiders- 91'
Oilers- 94'

Oh yea, there it is the Steelers. 3 wins.

[azbroncfan]

The Raiders, Steelers and Oilers.
I count three as quoted, who did chefs beat in 90's? I remember them losing in arrowhead a at least 2x to DEN and SD/Indy(can't remember exactly who).

[ozomulsion]

Here's the link for you Bob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1052/stallowned6ds.jpg

[Northman]

I count three as quoted, who did chefs beat in 90's? I remember them losing in arrowhead a at least 2x to DEN and SD/Indy(can't remember exactly who).


Denver and Indy. Indy twice in fact.

[Paladin]

Boob, that's three. Just like the initial post showed. Anything else?

It is not true that KC, the City, has nothing. It seems like there is a water fountain on every corner. Well, not that many , but the city is known for the fountains. They also have a great zoo. I admit it is a bit strange to stand there and watch the gorrillas in the cages while standing next to the mullets outside the cages. But it is actually safe there. Mullets are always polite when they go to visit their relatives, either at the zoo or in the water fountains.

Ummmmm..... that's it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I count three as quoted, who did chefs beat in 90's? I remember them losing in arrowhead a at least 2x to DEN and SD/Indy(can't remember exactly who).

The three I stated were the 90s playoff victories. I don't know who we beat to get to Super Bowl I and Super Bowl IV. The Jets and Raiders if memory serves. Perhaps one or two others. I'm not really interested in looking it up.

[DomCasual]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1052/stallowned6ds.jpg
That picture is great! Is that really him, or just some clever Photoshopping?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I remember them losing in arrowhead a at least 2x to DEN and SD/Indy(can't remember exactly who).

Playoff losses that I remember offhand:

@ Buffalo

@ Miami

Indy

Denver

Indy

[Northman]

The three I stated were the 90s playoff victories. I don't know who we beat to get to Super Bowl I and Super Bowl IV. The Jets and Raiders if memory serves. Perhaps one or two others. I'm not really interested in looking it up.


I didnt count anything ( except your Bowl appearances ) before it became the NFL. i left the AFL out.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I didnt count anything ( except your Bowl appearances ) before it became the NFL. i left the AFL out.

Well that's BS. Why? It's part of our goddman franchise.

[Northman]

Well that's BS. Why? It's part of our goddman franchise.


I didnt count anything from Denver during that Time period either so dont get your panties in a bunch.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I didnt count anything from Denver during that Time period either so dont get your panties in a bunch.
Did Denver even do shiat in the playoffs during that time period?

[HemiEd]

Dont know exactly why i was thinking about this all day but it make me curious. I was wondering what the playoff stats were for Denver and for K.C in the playoffs. so, i did a little digging and this is what i found out.


Denver: Playoffs

At home- 11-2
on Road- 3-8
Super Bowl Appearances- 6
Super Bowl wins- 2
Overall Playoff Appearances (record): 24 ( 14-10 )


Kansas City: Playoffs

At Home- 2-4
on Road- 1-6
Super Bowl Appearances- 2
Super Bowl wins- 1
Overal Playoff Appearances (record): 13 ( 3-10 )


Not only has Denver had much more success getting to the Playoffs but Denver has had greater success when getting there. The most astonishing ( or not lol ) comparison is the W/L at home. So for all the K.C chumps who like to laugh about our playoff and Super Bowl losses i would just one thing. i would rather make the playoffs with a chance to win than not have any chance at all. And come Sunday when Denver delievers another blow to your playoff hopes you guys will again be on the outside looking in. yet again. :woowoo:


Funny stuff... so the Chiefs got to two Super Bowls and another AFC Championship game with only three playoff wins. LMAO

[Northman]

Did Denver even do shiat in the playoffs during that time period?


I dont know, i didnt look back at the AFL stuff. and Hemiboy, try and keep up. ive already stated that i didnt include the AFL stuff just your SB appearances and that was out of the kindness of my heart.

[DomCasual]

Did Denver even do shiat in the playoffs during that time period?
Denver won its first playoff game in 1977 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was well after the merger. So, no - they didn't do shiat in that time.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Sorry, that's bush league IMO. You ****ers wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Lamar Hunt so cut us some slack.

[orangeatheist]

Here's a m

[Candy Cigarettes]

Denver Broncos History - http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/broncos

Kansas City Chiefs History - http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/chiefs

[HemiEd]

I dont know, i didnt look back at the AFL stuff. and Hemiboy, try and keep up. ive already stated that i didnt include the AFL stuff just your SB appearances and that was out of the kindness of my heart.


The kindness of your heart? It would actually help the Chiefs case, the Donx were the Houston Texans of the AFL.

[Northman]

The kindness of your heart? It would actually help the Chiefs case, the Donx were the Houston Texans of the AFL.


Your right, i was only counting the NFL so i should have never even included the two Super Bowls into my arguement. The reason i went with NFL over AFL is because the history is much longer and had more teams involved.

[DomCasual]

The kindness of your heart? It would actually help the Chiefs case, the Donx were the Houston Texans of the AFL.
No, that was the Chiefs, and they actually played in Dallas.

http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan1960.htm

Ha! You're a moron.

[HemiEd]

No, that was the Chiefs, and they actually played in Dallas.

http://www.profootballreference.com/teams/kan1960.htm

Ha! You're a moron.


No, you are the Moron, the Chiefs were the Dallas Texans. I was trying to state that The Donx were the competive quality of the current Houston Texans, moron.
Lifetime record mean anything to you? Broncos 41 Chiefs 50,
Points scored are 381 points more for the Chiefs.

[BrainCase]

The kindness of your heart? It would actually help the Chiefs case, the Donx were the Houston Texans of the AFL.

It's about being elitist. The Bronco fans want to feel like their in some sort of exclusive country club, and can look down their runny noses at the Chiefs fans because they have a mountain view. Truth is, they are in a country club, but the framed picture on the wall of the founder is Lamar Hunt.

Let me know when there's a "Pat Bolen trophy". God, you guys are arrogant. If it wasn't for our owner, you guys would be the Cardinals... or the Browns... oops, I better check that.

[Northman]

No, you are the Moron, the Chiefs were the Dallas Texans. The Donx were the competive quality of the current Houston Texans, moron.
Lifetime record mean anything to you? Broncos 41 Chiefs 50,
Points scored are 381 points more for the Chiefs.


Again, this validates our point about how you guys settle for the regular season record as opposed to playoff and Super Bowl appearances with wins and losses. The Chiefs could have a regular season record of 150-41 and the Broncos would still be better because they can make the playoffs and be successful when they get there.

[DomCasual]

No, you are the Moron, the Chiefs were the Dallas Texans. The Donx were the competive quality of the current Houston Texans, moron.
Lifetime record mean anything to you? Broncos 41 Chiefs 50,
Points scored are 381 points more for the Chiefs.
I know the point that you were trying to make. Unfortunately, it seemed ironic that you would make it regarding the Texans, which were the Chiefs during the era to which you were referring.

And I was born in 1969. I have stricken anything prior to that from the DomCasual NFL encyclopedia. There comes a point where its relevance becomes questionable.

[RhymesayersDU]

Dont know exactly why i was thinking about this all day but it make me curious. I was wondering what the playoff stats were for Denver and for K.C in the playoffs. so, i did a little digging and this is what i found out.


Denver: Playoffs

At home- 11-2
on Road- 3-8
Super Bowl Appearances- 6
Super Bowl wins- 2
Overall Playoff Appearances (record): 24 ( 14-10 )


Kansas City: Playoffs

At Home- 2-4
on Road- 1-6
Super Bowl Appearances- 2
Super Bowl wins- 1
Overal Playoff Appearances (record): 13 ( 3-10 )


Not only has Denver had much more success getting to the Playoffs but Denver has had greater success when getting there. The most astonishing ( or not lol ) comparison is the W/L at home. So for all the K.C chumps who like to laugh about our playoff and Super Bowl losses i would just one thing. i would rather make the playoffs with a chance to win than not have any chance at all. And come Sunday when Denver delievers another blow to your playoff hopes you guys will again be on the outside looking in. yet again. :woowoo:
Yeah but KC has the superior airport!

So hah!


/lame Chef smack

[DomCasual]

It's about being elitist. The Bronco fans want to feel like their in some sort of exclusive country club, and can look down their runny noses at the Chiefs fans because they have a mountain view.
Only 33 posts, and you have already learned of our superiority?

Maybe you Chiefs' fans aren't as slow as I thought.

[Northman]

It's about being elitist. The Bronco fans want to feel like their in some sort of exclusive country club, and can look down their runny noses at the Chiefs fans because they have a mountain view. Truth is, they are in a country club, but the framed picture on the wall of the founder is Lamar Hunt.

Let me know when there's a "Pat Bolen trophy". God, you guys are arrogant. If it wasn't for our owner, you guys would be the Cardinals... or the Browns... oops, I better check that.


Talk about trying to be a Elitist. so you think what you did even before the NFL was born had something to do with Denver's overall success in the Playoffs and Championship games? here's the bottom line for you just in case you cant figure it out. From 1970 Denver has been far more productive, successfull, and has appeared in more post season games than the queefs. you can run your mouth about how you own us in regulars season matchups cause thats all your ever going to taste son.

[HemiEd]

It's about being elitist. The Bronco fans want to feel like their in some sort of exclusive country club, and can look down their runny noses at the Chiefs fans because they have a mountain view. Truth is, they are in a country club, but the framed picture on the wall of the founder is Lamar Hunt.

Let me know when there's a "Pat Bolen trophy". God, you guys are arrogant. If it wasn't for our owner, you guys would be the Cardinals... or the Browns... oops, I better check that.


The way I see it, only two things have even given them any credibility at all. John Elway not honoring the NFL draft and Shanahan using grease on the uniforms. If is was not for those two things, they might be even more obscure than they are.

[Northman]

The way I see it, only two things have even given them any credibility at all. John Elway not honoring the NFL draft and Shanahan using grease on the uniforms. If is was not for those two things, they might be even more obscure than they are.


Jealous arent ya? _i_O_i_

[DomCasual]

The way I see it, only two things have even given them any credibility at all. John Elway not honoring the NFL draft and Shanahan using grease on the uniforms. If is was not for those two things, they might be even more obscure than they are.
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[GreatBronco16]

Since the merger, KC has won a total of 3 games in the playoffs. Wow. No SB win since the merger either. So great, KC has an AFL Super Bowl trophy. Wow. Just how many of their current fans were even around back then? I would say zilch.

[BrainCase]

The way I see it, only two things have even given them any credibility at all. John Elway not honoring the NFL draft and Shanahan using grease on the uniforms. If is was not for those two things, they might be even more obscure than they are.

Absolutely. They take pride in tarnished championships, and don't have the character to even recognize that the punishments handed down to them for their cheating on the salary cap are an embarrasment to the league.

But other than that, I'm sure they all have nice teeth.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Just how many of their current fans were even around back then? I would say zilch.
There are a few at Chiefsplanet. In fact I went to the Texans game with a Chiefs fan who watched Super Bowl I.

[HemiEd]

Jealous arent ya? _i_O_i_

Nah, just been following these teams a long time. Kind of funny how it plays out. I actually do not hate the Broncos or the Chargers, still think of them as the doormats. Granted, Shannahan has cheated his way to some success since his arrival. The Broncos were 50 up 123 down and 6 ties thier first 13 years. Hilarious!

[BrainCase]

Since the merger, KC has won a total of 3 games in the playoffs. Wow. No SB win since the merger either. So great, KC has an AFL Super Bowl trophy. Wow. Just how many of their current fans were even around back then? I would say zilch.

Dude, I wore red before the Broncos existed. So "zilch =>1",eh, pardner?

[HemiEd]

Since the merger, KC has won a total of 3 games in the playoffs. Wow. No SB win since the merger either. So great, KC has an AFL Super Bowl trophy. Wow. Just how many of their current fans were even around back then? I would say zilch.

You would be wrong, I watched the game. I also watched the one they lost.

[Northman]

Nah, just been following these teams a long time. Kind of funny how it plays out. I actually do not hate the Broncos or the Chargers, still think of them as the doormats. Granted, Shannahan has cheated his way to some success since his arrival. The Broncos were 50 up 123 down and 6 ties thier first 13 years. Hilarious!


But 3-10 since 1970? thats just disgraceful man. Hilarious!

[DomCasual]

Absolutely. They take pride in tarnished championships, and don't have the character to even recognize that the punishments handed down to them for their cheating on the salary cap are an embarrasment to the league.

But other than that, I'm sure they all have nice teeth.
Explain how the championships are tarnished, my little red friend. Explain how the salary cap rules were broken, with specifics, and what the net benefit was to the Broncos. Give me a specific dollar amount on how much was cleared under the cap by the indescretion. Throw in the players involved, while you're at it.

It sounds to me like it was a regular Black-Sox-sized scandal. You obviously know much more about it than I do, so I will eagerly await your explanations. If they truly cheated, and the "cheating" caused them to win Lombardi Trophies, I say we start a petition to award those trophies to the runners-up - Green Bay and Atlanta, in this case.

First, though, I want you to tell me what happened, so I can make some sense as to why the NFL handed down such a small punishment for something that apparently brought into question the very integrity of the game.

[Northman]

Explain how the championships are tarnished, my little red friend. Explain how the salary cap rules were broken, with specifics, and what the net benefit was to the Broncos. Give me a specific dollar amount on how much was cleared under the cap by the indescretion. Throw in the players involved, while you're at it.

It sounds to me like it was a regular Black-Sox-sized scandal. You obviously know much more about it than I do, so I will eagerly await your explanations. If they truly cheated, and the "cheating" caused them to win Lombardi Trophies, I say we start a petition to award those trophies to the runners-up - Green Bay and Atlanta, in this case.

First, though, I want you to tell me what happened, so I can make some sense as to why the NFL handed down such a small punishment for something that apparently brought into question the very integrity of the game.


Dammit Dom, dont make them think. it will hurt them too much. Hilarious!

[GreatBronco16]

You would be wrong, I watched the game. I also watched the one they lost.


I would be wrong? So which superbowl since the NFL/AFL merger did KC win? The answer is none. KC won the last NFL/AFL superbowl in 69 before they merged and just became the NFL. Since that time, KC has not made a SuperBowl apperance and only have 3 playoff wins.

[Northman]

I would be wrong? So which superbowl since the NFL/AFL merger did KC win? The answer is none. KC won the last NFL/AFL superbowl in 69 before they merged and just became the NFL. Since that time, KC has not made a SuperBowl apperance and only have 3 playoff wins.

Dude, they are in Denial cause their 50-41 regular season wins is FAR more important than making the playoffs are even winning a playoff game occasionally. ;D

[MrPeepers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Peterson

:)

[Northman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Peterson

:)


Lmao!

[ozomulsion]

That picture is great! Is that really him, or just some clever Photoshopping?

Good question.

[HemiEd]

I would be wrong? So which superbowl since the NFL/AFL merger did KC win? The answer is none. KC won the last NFL/AFL superbowl in 69 before they merged and just became the NFL. Since that time, KC has not made a SuperBowl apperance and only have 3 playoff wins.


Here is your statement that is wrong: "Just how many of their current fans were even around back then? I would say zilch."

Sorry if I went too fast, I should be clearer for you guys I guess.

[DomCasual]

Here is your statement that is wrong: "Just how many of their current fans were even around back then? I would say zilch."

Sorry if I went too fast, I should be clearer for you guys I guess.
You seemed to skip my post, my friend. Do you have a reply, or were you just talking out your ass with your original assertation? BrainDrain, or whatever his name was, is the other one I have heard make the claim, so this pertains to him, too.

[BrainCase]

It wouldn't make a difference if I produced a complete transcript from the NFL's secret archives, you clowns would still be in denial about your transgressions. Go ahead, create a revisionist history, make David Irving proud of you. I accept that the Chiefs have had their moments of embarrassment- we've had the domestic violence problems and a few other criminals in our history, but damn, we never cheated on the cap to win, and we never put grease on our jerseys to win. Lawd, asking a Chiefs fan for your own history. Ask yourself why you lost draft picks. Follow the trail Sherlock.

[DomCasual]

It wouldn't make a difference if I produced a complete transcript from the NFL's secret archives, you clowns would still be in denial about your transgressions. Go ahead, create a revisionist history, make David Irving proud of you. I accept that the Chiefs have had their moments of embarrassment- we've had the domestic violence problems and a few other criminals in our history, but damn, we never cheated on the cap to win, and we never put grease on our jerseys to win. Lawd, asking a Chiefs fan for your own history. Ask yourself why you lost draft picks. Follow the trail Sherlock.
Ah, I see - you were just talking out your ass. Well, I am glad we cleared that up.

What you have just done, essentially, is equated the Lombardi Trophy to a fourth round draft pick - the punishment the Broncos received for "cheating" the cap.

Where do I sign up to give up the rest of our fourth round draft picks for the Lombardi Trophy every year?

Don't you think that we would have been dealt a harsher punishment if indeed our "cheating" had significantly contributed to our championships? Answer as best you can. So far, you have used a lot of words, but said nothing. Substance doesn't seem to be part of your game plan when posting on messageboards, it seems.

[chrisdel]

All right, I was visiting this site just to get fired up for the game on Sunday, but now I gotta defend my team and my city.

First off, of course the Broncos are a better franchise currently, with much more playoff appearances, Super Bowls, etc. The only thing we have is a better overall head to head record, which, as menioned several times in this thread, doesn't mean much. But hey, it's all we got.

You guys should be proud of your team. But there's a difference between being proud and being smug and arrogant, which is what I get from a lot of Bronco fans (hate to generalize, I know that not every fan is that way). That's what I hate about the Denver Broncos. It's embodied in Shannon Sharpe - the guy never understood winning with dignity and class.

And by the way, beating Denver is not our season, and just getting to the playoffs is not all we want. We want a championship just like every other fan, and I (along with, I'd say, 95% of Chiefs fans) am furious about the lack of playoff success under GM Carl Peterson. And I'm pissed that our owner seems more concerned about getting a Super Bowl in KC than getting KC to a Super Bowl.

But I'm still a fan, and not because of playoff wins or Super Bowls. Talk smack all you want, I'd still rather be a Chiefs fan than a donkey.

[Northman]

All right, I was visiting this site just to get fired up for the game on Sunday, but now I gotta defend my team and my city.

First off, of course the Broncos are a better franchise currently, with much more playoff appearances, Super Bowls, etc. The only thing we have is a better overall head to head record, which, as menioned several times in this thread, doesn't mean much. But hey, it's all we got.

You guys should be proud of your team. But there's a difference between being proud and being smug and arrogant, which is what I get from a lot of Bronco fans (hate to generalize, I know that not every fan is that way). That's what I hate about the Denver Broncos. It's embodied in Shannon Sharpe - the guy never understood winning with dignity and class.

And by the way, beating Denver is not our season, and just getting to the playoffs is not all we want. We want a championship just like every other fan, and I (along with, I'd say, 95% of Chiefs fans) am furious about the lack of playoff success under GM Carl Peterson. And I'm pissed that our owner seems more concerned about getting a Super Bowl in KC than getting KC to a Super Bowl.

But I'm still a fan, and not because of playoff wins or Super Bowls. Talk smack all you want, I'd still rather be a Chiefs fan than a donkey.



Well, for your first post i have to give you credit. its far better than any from any current K.C member that visits this board. Not only that but you were honest about the history in the postseason for both teams so you get much props from me. none the less, Broncos are still better and you will see it come Sunday. :thumbsup: :P

[HemiEd]

You seemed to skip my post, my friend. Do you have a reply, or were you just talking out your ass with your original assertation? BrainDrain, or whatever his name was, is the other one I have heard make the claim, so this pertains to him, too.


Actually, I did not respond to your post because it was not directed at me. I thought your post was very honorable, truly. I personally do not have issues with the salary cap cheating that has been well documented. (I have however, always been curious how Elway came up with those new car franchises) My cheating issues with the Broncos are about the playoff game against the Chiefs that they used vaseline or cooking spray. I am not sure what it was, but that is also well documented that the referees told them to wipe themselves off. That is not the most classless thing I have seen in almost 40 years of watching the NFL. The Elway thing was his own, I can not blame the Broncos for that. However, they were the benefactor.

[BrainCase]

Ah, I see - you were just talking out your ass. Well, I am glad we cleared that up.

What you have just done, essentially, is equated the Lombardi Trophy to a fourth round draft pick - the punishment the Broncos received for "cheating" the cap.

Where do I sign up to give up the rest of our fourth round draft picks for the Lombardi Trophy every year?

Don't you think that we would have been dealt a harsher punishment if indeed our "cheating" had significantly contributed to our championships? Answer as best you can. So far, you have used a lot of words, but said nothing. Substance doesn't seem to be part of your game plan when posting on messageboards, it seems.

So now you endorse the concept of cheating to win. I should have expected that. Your integrity is Romo-esque.

Go back to your George Foster highlight tapes and laugh at defensaive linemen who's careers have been destroyed at the Bronco's O-line tactics.

I pity you. You lost the picks. The NFL decided to avoid a Black Sox style hearing due to the damage it would due to the entire league's credibility. The Black Sox scandal almost destroyed major league baseball, so the NFL learned from history. Go ahead, deny the transgressions, what Denver did was cheat with cheating players, but the end justifies the means. You sicken me. I'd rather have a good honorable team than be a fan of a convicted cheating franchise that ends careers and mocks a player for choosing his wife's illness over a game. Kennison deserves better than your classless hairy derierres! I flaulate in your general direction! ooops... that's upwind.

(BTW, I'm having fun here... I have been this over the top since I was the villian in a high school melodrama)

[ROYC75]

I didnt count anything ( except your Bowl appearances ) before it became the NFL. i left the AFL out.

Interesting ...... leave out the info that would close that gap you want to crow about. Back in those days Dallas / KC was dominate and Denver was almost paying the fans to come watch the games.

Brilliant...... I think if you leave half of your teams history out of it, it wouldn't look to good either. Fact is, might as well just cut it out and only show the 2 years you violated the salary cap to win something. It would make you like the class azz of the NFL.:poke:

Classic Homer............Nyah!

[DomCasual]

All right, I was visiting this site just to get fired up for the game on Sunday, but now I gotta defend my team and my city.

First off, of course the Broncos are a better franchise currently, with much more playoff appearances, Super Bowls, etc. The only thing we have is a better overall head to head record, which, as menioned several times in this thread, doesn't mean much. But hey, it's all we got.

You guys should be proud of your team. But there's a difference between being proud and being smug and arrogant, which is what I get from a lot of Bronco fans (hate to generalize, I know that not every fan is that way). That's what I hate about the Denver Broncos. It's embodied in Shannon Sharpe - the guy never understood winning with dignity and class.

And by the way, beating Denver is not our season, and just getting to the playoffs is not all we want. We want a championship just like every other fan, and I (along with, I'd say, 95% of Chiefs fans) am furious about the lack of playoff success under GM Carl Peterson. And I'm pissed that our owner seems more concerned about getting a Super Bowl in KC than getting KC to a Super Bowl.

But I'm still a fan, and not because of playoff wins or Super Bowls. Talk smack all you want, I'd still rather be a Chiefs fan than a donkey.
Welcome to the OrangeMane, chrisdel. Logic is almost shocking in its contrast here. With fans like you, it would be hard to hate other teams.

I know that I am not usually this smug about the Broncos. I certainly wouldn't act that way if I was visiting another team's board. But it's hard to argue some of this stuff without being smug, considering what's on the other side of the equation.

How do you argue with someone who says, "The sky is green?" You can say, "No, it's blue." But if they continue to argue that it is green, you eventually say something to the effect of, "No, you imbecile - everyone knows it's friggen blue!" Such arguments eventually deteriorate into sounding smug and elitist - but what else are you going to do?

[Northman]

Interesting ...... leave out the info that would close that gap you want to crow about. Back in those days Dallas / KC was dominate and Denver was almost paying the fans to come watch the games.

Brilliant...... I think if you leave half of your teams history out of it, it wouldn't look to good either. Fact is, might as well just cut it out and only show the 2 years you violated the salary cap to win something. It would make you like the class azz of the NFL.:poke:

Classic Homer............Nyah!


Not at all. there were only 8 teams involved in the AFL so there really wasnt any real competition to speak of anyway. and it doesnt change the fact that both Denver and K.C existed when the Merger took place so K.C had just as much a chance to do the very things that Denver did during that time. as i stated before i stuck with the NFL cause there were more teams involved and yet still the same amount of time for both franchises. Salary cap issues didnt win us the Super Bowl, we still had to play the games. you lost, quit being a sore loser.

[DomCasual]

Actually, I did not respond to your post because it was not directed at me. I thought your post was very honorable, truly. I personally do not have issues with the salary cap cheating that has been well documented. (I have however, always been curious how Elway came up with those new car franchises) My cheating issues with the Broncos are about the playoff game against the Chiefs that they used vaseline or cooking spray. I am not sure what it was, but that is also well documented that the referees told them to wipe themselves off. That is not the most classless thing I have seen in almost 40 years of watching the NFL. The Elway thing was his own, I can not blame the Broncos for that. However, they were the benefactor.
My mistake. I was thinking you had made comments about the cap - I apologize. Carry on.

[ZachKC]

heh, spam on my website...it must be Denver week.

[chrisdel]

I have to defend the city of KC as well. Denver's a great town, no doubt, and you guys have done great things to your downtown in the last 10 years or so. But KC has some redeeming qualities, damnit!

KC BBQ - if you don't like it, you're lying to yourself.

One of the birthplaces of Jazz - check out 18th and Vine

Negro League Baseball Museum - also at 18th and Vine

City of Fountains

The Plaza - great shopping area

Lots of casinos for you gambling types

New, state of the art arena (Sprint Center) in two years dowtown, which will hold the College Basketball Hall of Fame

And tailgating and overall stadium experience at Arrowhead (may not have been completely true at old Mile High , but I've been to Invesco, and the experience is nothing special). By the way, the new stadium looks like a big vaigina, seriously.

[ZachKC]

Denver is a great town and KC is a great place to be as well...I don't see the big deal...

[Northman]

Denver is a great town and KC is a great place to be as well...I don't see the big deal...


So, are you becoming a Bronco fan then? no big deal right? :)

[DomCasual]

So now you endorse the concept of cheating to win. I should have expected that. Your integrity is Romo-esque.

Go back to your George Foster highlight tapes and laugh at defensaive linemen who's careers have been destroyed at the Bronco's O-line tactics.

I pity you. You lost the picks. The NFL decided to avoid a Black Sox style hearing due to the damage it would due to the entire league's credibility. The Black Sox scandal almost destroyed major league baseball, so the NFL learned from history. Go ahead, deny the transgressions, what Denver did was cheat with cheating players, but the end justifies the means. You sicken me. I'd rather have a good honorable team than be a fan of a convicted cheating franchise that ends careers and mocks a player for choosing his wife's illness over a game. Kennison deserves better than your classless hairy derierres! I flaulate in your general direction! ooops... that's upwind.

(BTW, I'm having fun here... I have been this over the top since I was the villian in a high school melodrama)
:gus: But the sky is friggen BLUE!

[chrisdel]

That's vagina. Oops.

[Jetmeck]

I have to defend the city of KC as well. Denver's a great town, no doubt, and you guys have done great things to your downtown in the last 10 years or so. But KC has some redeeming qualities, damnit!

KC BBQ - if you don't like it, you're lying to yourself.

One of the birthplaces of Jazz - check out 18th and Vine

Negro League Baseball Museum - also at 18th and Vine

City of Fountains

The Plaza - great shopping area

Lots of casinos for you gambling types

New, state of the art arena (Sprint Center) in two years dowtown, which will hold the College Basketball Hall of Fame

And tailgating and overall stadium experience at Arrowhead (may not have been completely true at old Mile High , but I've been to Invesco, and the experience is nothing special). By the way, the new stadium looks like a big vaigina, seriously.

If you have been to both cities there is no contest. I have by the way and the same goes for the Broncos, players want to come to denver. KC sucks when compared to Denver, for that matter the whole state sucks and I include KANSAS in there too. Colorado has to be one of the most beautiful places on the planet and your Cheffies are only a couple of steps from being in the Royals shoes, pathetic management for both KC franchises.

[Raidersbane]

It's about being elitist. The Bronco fans want to feel like their in some sort of exclusive country club, and can look down their runny noses at the Chiefs fans because they have a mountain view. Truth is, they are in a country club, but the framed picture on the wall of the founder is Lamar Hunt.

Let me know when there's a "Pat Bolen trophy". God, you guys are arrogant. If it wasn't for our owner, you guys would be the Cardinals... or the Browns... oops, I better check that.

Naw....we would have been an expansion team more than likely. Funny how K.C. had to steal itself a team from Dallas though (Kansas City Texans anyone?).......We've always been the Broncos. Admitted our first 16 seasons were abysmal but it's clear Denver has been the better team overall for the last 28. I'll take the here and now over what happend back in the age of dinosaurs. If you cling to the ancient past you'll end up stuck in it .....:stuck:

[No1BroncoFan]

It wouldn't make a difference if I produced a complete transcript from the NFL's secret archives, you clowns would still be in denial about your transgressions.
Translation from trollish:
"I got owned and I know it. I will now crawl back in my hole until I feel the need to spew another wild assertion that came out of my @ss."

Ben

[chrisdel]

If you have been to both cities there is no contest. I have by the way and the same goes for the Broncos, players want to come to denver. KC sucks when compared to Denver, for that matter the whole state sucks and I include KANSAS in there too. Colorado has to be one of the most beautiful places on the planet and your Cheffies are only a couple of steps from being in the Royals shoes, pathetic management for both KC franchises.

What are you talking about? Kansas is a beatiful state! You guys have mountains and we have ... wheat.

I've been to Denver (as mentioned before). A lot of jerks there, honestly. KC is just a friendlier place, in my opinion. Sure, you got pretty mountains, but damn, it gets too cold there.

And don't kid yourself. Players don't go to teams for the city, they go for the $$$. If they sign because of the city, then everybody would want to play for San Diego.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It wouldn't make a difference if I produced a complete transcript from the NFL's secret archives, you clowns would still be in denial about your transgressions. Go ahead, create a revisionist history, make David Irving proud of you. I accept that the Chiefs have had their moments of embarrassment- we've had the domestic violence problems and a few other criminals in our history, but damn, we never cheated on the cap to win, and we never put grease on our jerseys to win. Lawd, asking a Chiefs fan for your own history. Ask yourself why you lost draft picks. Follow the trail Sherlock.

Learn a little about the actual transgressions you're talking about before spouting off. At no point in either instance was someone not on the cap who was being paid, or had a cap figure that was smaller then what they were being paid. Denver did not cheat the cap. Good reading are both of Schefter's articles when the punishment came down, since he actually reported what happened instead of making blanket assertions like 99% of the sports reporters. Both instances dealt with deferred compensation. The first was properly deferred compensation due TD, Elway, and Sharpe that the NFL said was not paid on time. Bowlen immediately paid when informed that the money was due. Ohhhhh, so terrible that all three players didn't even know that they had not been paid on time. The 2nd time dealt with improperly deferred money so Bowlen could put up his share for the new stadium.

and for a League that believes in escalating punishments for each transgression, the fact that Denver's penalty the 2nd time was the same as the first shows how minor that infraction actually was.

Now back to your deluded reality about what you think actually went on.

[Raidersbane]

Translation from trollish:
"I got owned and I know it. I will now crawl back in my hole until I feel the need to spew another wild assertion that came out of my @ss."

Ben

You forgot to include the "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" portion of the statement!

[Northman]

KC is just a friendlier place, in my opinion.

Thats because your all are related. haha

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I pity you. You lost the picks. The NFL decided to avoid a Black Sox style hearing due to the damage it would due to the entire league's credibility. The Black Sox scandal almost destroyed major league baseball, so the NFL learned from history. Go ahead, deny the transgressions, what Denver did was cheat with cheating players, but the end justifies the means.

Damn, you truly have no idea what happened. Yeah, what Denver did completely rises to the level of the Black Sox. Maybe in your next post, you can tell us how Priest's injury this year is close to what happened to Lou Gehrig.

[elsid13]

KC has remdeem quilities, but I never seen as many "large" people in my life. A buddy (who was at KU) and me stop downtown in the plaza for some steaks and beers. I couldn't believe the amount bacon and cheese people were putting on thier salads.

[chrisdel]

Thats because your all are related. haha

Ha. Ha. Funny.

[Bronco LB 59]

ItLet me know when there's a "Pat Bolen trophy". God, you guys are arrogant. If it wasn't for our owner, you guys would be the Cardinals... or the Browns... oops, I better check that.

A record 6 Lamar Hunt Trophies sit in Dove Valley.

[Bronco LB 59]

Lifetime record mean anything to you? Broncos 41 Chiefs 50

Since joining modern day football, i.e. the National Football League, Denver owns the series and has the W in their only postseason matchup!

[Northman]

KC has remdeem quilities, but I never seen as many "large" people in my life. A buddy (who was at KU) and me stop downtown in the plaza for some steaks and beers. I couldn't believe the amount bacon and cheese people were putting on thier salads.


you know you have a good point. i have a friend here in Maryland who loves KSU and is from Kansas and he is huge! part of that is he spent some time in the Navy but he is more round now. even more weird is he is a Raider fan when it comes the NFL so you figure that one out. lol

[DomCasual]

Learn a little about the actual transgressions you're talking about before spouting off. At no point in either instance was someone not on the cap who was being paid, or had a cap figure that was smaller then what they were being paid. Denver did not cheat the cap. Good reading are both of Schefter's articles when the punishment came down, since he actually reported what happened instead of making blanket assertions like 99% of the sports reporters. Both instances dealt with deferred compensation. The first was properly deferred compensation due TD, Elway, and Sharpe that the NFL said was not paid on time. Ohhhhh, so terrible that all three players didn't even know that they had not been paid on time. The 2nd time dealt with improperly deferred money so Bowlen could put up his share for the new stadium.

and for a League that believes in escalating punishments for each transgression, the fact that Denver's penalty the 2nd time was the same as the first shows how minor that infraction actually was.

Now back to your deluded reality about what you think actually went on.
At one point, Bowlen had to come up with cash that the players involved had agreed not to take until later. Essentially, they didn't want the money right then, and Bowlen didn't want to pay them right then - but the NFL saw differently.

At the end of the day, it was a cash issue. The NFL rightfully doesn't want its franchises to become like baseball's Arizona Diamondbacks - a team that has to beg it's shareholders for cash to pay off debts for past salary sins. A disaster scenario for the NFL is to have to do a cash call of all the owners to help a franchise avoid folding. Bowlen deferred more money than the NFL was comfortable with, he was warned about it, and they eventually made him pay.

[Northman]

Ha. Ha. Funny.


Im just busting your balls man. :~ohyah!: :Broncos:

[elsid13]

you know you have a good point. i have a friend here in Maryland who loves KSU and is from Kansas and he is huge! part of that is he spent some time in the Navy but he is more round now. even more weird is he is a Raider fan when it comes the NFL so you figure that one out. lol


It the Midwest diet, lots of cheeses and fatty meats. Atleast it better then what most people eat in the traditional south. No wonder this is such a fat country.

PS there is really good sushi place in the Crown Plaza

[Northman]

It the Midwest diet, lots of cheeses and fatty meats. Atleast it better then what most people eat in the traditional south. No wonder this is such a fat country.

PS there is really good sushi place in the Crown Plaza


I dont eat that stuff but my wife does so ill pass it along. :)

[chrisdel]

KC has remdeem quilities, but I never seen as many "large" people in my life. A buddy (who was at KU) and me stop downtown in the plaza for some steaks and beers. I couldn't believe the amount bacon and cheese people were putting on thier salads.

I'm suprised they were eating salads...

[Bronco LB 59]

The Broncos were 50 up 123 down and 6 ties thier first 13 years. Hilarious!

In the last 33 seasons, the Denver Broncos have only 5 losing seasons. They have been one of the most successful football organizations since the NFL-AFL Merger.

[bronco610]

This just in: The kansas city chiefs are going to the super bowl !!! Brought to you by Desoto, the car of the future !!!!

[elsid13]

The chefs fans are grasping at straw if they have to pull out the AFL days.

[chrisdel]

The chefs fans are grasping at straw if they have to pull out the AFL days.

It's all we have, man. It's all we have.

Seriously, it all changed with the Jan. 4, 1998 playoff game. You guys had success, but with embarassing Super Bowl losses and 0 Super Bowl victories. We had a chance to continue that, but we failed. And not because of vasoline on jerseys, or a holding call on a Stoyanovich field goal, or a Tony Gonzalez TD catch ruled out of bounds. We lost because of the worst two minute drill in the history of the playoffs. With over a minute and a half left and the ball around the Denver 30 yard line, we run three plays for about 5 yards and eat the clock to 20 seconds, and then chuck a pass into double coverage. All instigated by Denver's second favorite quarterback, Elvis Grbac.

I'm done with this thread. I'm getting depressed.

[DomCasual]

It's all we have, man. It's all we have.

Seriously, it all changed with the Jan. 4, 1998 playoff game. You guys had success, but with embarassing Super Bowl losses and 0 Super Bowl victories. We had a chance to continue that, but we failed. And not because of vasoline on jerseys, or a holding call on a Stoyanovich field goal, or a Tony Gonzalez TD catch ruled out of bounds. We lost because of the worst two minute drill in the history of the playoffs. With over a minute and a half left and the ball around the Denver 30 yard line, we run three plays for about 5 yards and eat the clock to 20 seconds, and then chuck a pass into double coverage. All instigated by Denver's second favorite quarterback, Elvis Grbac.

I'm done with this thread. I'm getting depressed.
It's important to note that the team was coached by Marty Shottenheimer - the coach that never met a big game he couldn't screw up.

[Bronco LB 59]

It's all we have, man. It's all we have.

Seriously, it all changed with the Jan. 4, 1998 playoff game. You guys had success, but with embarassing Super Bowl losses and 0 Super Bowl victories. We had a chance to continue that, but we failed. And not because of vasoline on jerseys, or a holding call on a Stoyanovich field goal, or a Tony Gonzalez TD catch ruled out of bounds. We lost because of the worst two minute drill in the history of the playoffs. With over a minute and a half left and the ball around the Denver 30 yard line, we run three plays for about 5 yards and eat the clock to 20 seconds, and then chuck a pass into double coverage. All instigated by Denver's second favorite quarterback, Elvis Grbac.

I'm done with this thread. I'm getting depressed.


And Marty Schottenheimer's decision to put the ball into Louie Aguiar's hands on fake field goal attempt.

[elsid13]

It's all we have, man. It's all we have.

Seriously, it all changed with the Jan. 4, 1998 playoff game. You guys had success, but with embarassing Super Bowl losses and 0 Super Bowl victories. We had a chance to continue that, but we failed. And not because of vasoline on jerseys, or a holding call on a Stoyanovich field goal, or a Tony Gonzalez TD catch ruled out of bounds. We lost because of the worst two minute drill in the history of the playoffs. With over a minute and a half left and the ball around the Denver 30 yard line, we run three plays for about 5 yards and eat the clock to 20 seconds, and then chuck a pass into double coverage. All instigated by Denver's second favorite quarterback, Elvis Grbac.

I'm done with this thread. I'm getting depressed.

You took the best team in that span 97-99 to the wire that was good thing, but you guys never had a chance the revenage tour was in full force.

[Northman]

It's all we have, man. It's all we have.

Seriously, it all changed with the Jan. 4, 1998 playoff game. You guys had success, but with embarassing Super Bowl losses and 0 Super Bowl victories. We had a chance to continue that, but we failed. And not because of vasoline on jerseys, or a holding call on a Stoyanovich field goal, or a Tony Gonzalez TD catch ruled out of bounds. We lost because of the worst two minute drill in the history of the playoffs. With over a minute and a half left and the ball around the Denver 30 yard line, we run three plays for about 5 yards and eat the clock to 20 seconds, and then chuck a pass into double coverage. All instigated by Denver's second favorite quarterback, Elvis Grbac.

I'm done with this thread. I'm getting depressed.

Dont get depressed man, im starting to like you. your actually being honest and now im feeling bad for you. are you sure your a Chiefs fan? i swear NONE of them have been this objective about these teams. you guys actually had a good shot to beat us that year but i think the most deciding thing was allowing Grbac to start and not Gannon. Gannon was hot that year while filling in and i think it messed up the chemistry you guys had going.

[JCMElway]

Denver Broncos History - http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/broncos

Kansas City Chiefs History - http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/chiefs

According to these links, ever since there have been Super Bowls, the Chiefs are 7-13, while the Broncs are 16-14. I like our better winning percentage and the fact that we have played 10 more playoff games than the Chefs. And we didn't even have decent teams until the late 70's!

Oh, and 3-10 since 1970 is pretty hilarious.

[BrainCase]

I love rattling you guys cages. To me, cheating is a black and white thing, kind of like being pregnant, you either are or you're aren't. There is not gray area. You have stated you'd do the same thing over again, so you've endorsed the cheating in my eyes. It's completely subjective, yet verifiable. The Broncos cheated. I'm a Chiefs fan, for crying out loud. Every foul, ugly, despisable thing your team has ever done is wadded up inside me with a passionate hatred for your rotting carcass of a football team, but really, I mean that in the nicest way. The Broncos beat up nuns and steal the prosthetic limbs of infant victims of terrorist attack in my book.

And yes, I would say it all to your face if you were standing in front of me, with a smile. The Broncos lie somewhere between toenail fungus and rectal polyps. No... that's not a nice thing to say about tonail fungus.

So, go rape a cat, and chase it with gas-huffing and a cigarette. I've had enough fun tonight.

[DomCasual]

I love rattling you guys cages. To me, cheating is a black and white thing, kind of like being pregnant, you either are or you're aren't. There is not gray area. You have stated you'd do the same thing over again, so you've endorsed the cheating in my eyes. It's completely subjective, yet verifiable. The Broncos cheated. I'm a Chiefs fan, for crying out loud. Every foul, ugly, despisable thing your team has ever done is wadded up inside me with a passionate hatred for your rotting carcass of a football team, but really, I mean that in the nicest way. The Broncos beat up nuns and steal the prosthetic limbs of infant victims of terrorist attack in my book.

And yes, I would say it all to your face if you were standing in front of me, with a smile. The Broncos lie somewhere between toenail fungus and rectal polyps. No... that's not a nice thing to say about tonail fungus.

So, go rape a cat, and chase it with gas-huffing and a cigarette. I've had enough fun tonight.
Wow, dude - they don't have therapists in Kansas City?

[chrisdel]

Dont get depressed man, im starting to like you. your actually being honest and now im feeling bad for you. are you sure your a Chiefs fan? i swear NONE of them have been this objective about these teams. you guys actually had a good shot to beat us that year but i think the most deciding thing was allowing Grbac to start and not Gannon. Gannon was hot that year while filling in and i think it messed up the chemistry you guys had going.

It's hard to be objective when you're a fan. The passion gets in the way. But don't start liking me. It's a lot more fun to hate you guys.

[Husky Jerk]

I am currently in KC and I must say I am extremely dissapointed with the barbeque. Ate last night at Arthur Bryants which was recommended by several locals, and it may have been the worst I have ever had. Dry and flavorless. So tonight I go to Jess and Jim's, a highly recommended steakhouse and found it average. It definately was no Emilene's (SP?) in Aurora. What gives? Is that as good as it gets or are the people suggesting these places idiots?
People are friendly at least. Have seen only one hot woman so far though.

[Florida_Bronco]

I love rattling you guys cages. To me, cheating is a black and white thing, kind of like being pregnant, you either are or you're aren't. There is not gray area. You have stated you'd do the same thing over again, so you've endorsed the cheating in my eyes. It's completely subjective, yet verifiable. The Broncos cheated. I'm a Chiefs fan, for crying out loud. Every foul, ugly, despisable thing your team has ever done is wadded up inside me with a passionate hatred for your rotting carcass of a football team, but really, I mean that in the nicest way. The Broncos beat up nuns and steal the prosthetic limbs of infant victims of terrorist attack in my book.

And yes, I would say it all to your face if you were standing in front of me, with a smile. The Broncos lie somewhere between toenail fungus and rectal polyps. No... that's not a nice thing to say about tonail fungus.

So, go rape a cat, and chase it with gas-huffing and a cigarette. I've had enough fun tonight.

You should change your username to "BrainDamage"

[chrisdel]

I am currently in KC and I must say I am extremely dissapointed with the barbeque. Ate last night at Arthur Bryants which was recommended by several locals, and it may have been the worst I have ever had. Dry and flavorless. So tonight I go to Jess and Jim's, a highly recommended steakhouse and found it average. It definately was no Emilene's (SP?) in Aurora. What gives? Is that as good as it gets or are the people suggesting these places idiots?
People are friendly at least. Have seen only one hot woman so far though.

Never been to Jess and Jim's. Arthur Bryant's is overrated, though. Try Jackstack or Oklahoma Joe's. My personal favorites.

By the way, this doesn't help my argument for KC, but it was ranked as one of the worst cities for dating. Yikes.

[Husky Jerk]

Jackstack will be my next attempt. As for the women, the scenery here has been the worst I've seen, excluding NE Nebraska.

[Durden]

Hey I agree with Chrisdel, but also look into Smokehouse for the best beans you've ever had!! Also, don't lick your left finger, and your right finger before you go under center!! That's no good, or cool.

[Durden]

Just wondering if you were coming to the game Sunday? I have a buddy coming in town tomorrow from Orlando to watch the Chiefs victory.

[Husky Jerk]

No. I would love to, but I am in the middle of several weeks on the road, and I am forgetting what my family looks like. Can't wait to get home tomorrow!

[BigRedChief]

I am currently in KC and I must say I am extremely dissapointed with the barbeque. Ate last night at Arthur Bryants which was recommended by several locals, and it may have been the worst I have ever had. Dry and flavorless. So tonight I go to Jess and Jim's, a highly recommended steakhouse and found it average. It definately was no Emilene's (SP?) in Aurora. What gives? Is that as good as it gets or are the people suggesting these places idiots?
People are friendly at least. Have seen only one hot woman so far though.


Okay so now KC BBQ sucks huh? :saywhat:

[Bronx33]

This is a bronco board AKA a NFL board, (NOT a dating service)

[sirhcyennek81]

BBQ is almost impossible to screw up.

[GreatBronco16]

You should change your username to "BrainDamage"

No shlt man.

[Husky Jerk]

Arthur Bryants definately sucks BRC.

[Durden]

Chrisdel are you still watching the K.U. game? Husky Jerk... the sauce is good at A.B.'s buth that's it.
GO CHIEFS!!!!

[Kaylore]

Broncos > Chiefs

[RedskinBronco]

good info, Anubis...

I went through this thread real fast so I didn't read everything, but my contribution is:

It's not so much that the chefs organization has not had success (to put it in a nice way), but that the fans and sometimes even the players think that they are the team to beat. I mean come on, an organization like the steelers for example has a right to feel that way because they are always good or at least very competitive. The Chefs have nowhere near the playoff appearances of the traditionally competitive teams and they aren't even close to the top organizations in football. Yet, they try to act like one.

I know the league respects Hunt. Without Hunt, the chefs would be get sh!tted on by the league as a joke of an organization.

[HemiEd]

Since joining modern day football, i.e. the National Football League, Denver owns the series and has the W in their only postseason matchup!


Who is the one to decide Modern day football? You? That is convenient.

[HemiEd]

In the last 33 seasons, the Denver Broncos have only 5 losing seasons. They have been one of the most successful football organizations since the NFL-AFL Merger.


79/59 from 73 til Elway is what I came up with, not bad. Good thing for the strike in 82, kept you at 2 and 7 and could have really gotten bad. Oh, the Elway years, yes that definateley turned the franchise around.

[HemiEd]

What gives? Is that as good as it gets or are the people suggesting these places idiots?
People are friendly at least.


:laugh: You must have told them you were a Bronco fan and they set you up.
Jack Stacks is supposed to be the best barbecue, I like Rosedales. As far as the best steaks, I used to like Hereford House or Union Station. I have never heard of the places you mentioned but have not spent much time there in a while.

[ROYC75]

Dont get depressed man, im starting to like you. your actually being honest and now im feeling bad for you. are you sure your a Chiefs fan? i swear NONE of them have been this objective about these teams. you guys actually had a good shot to beat us that year but i think the most deciding thing was allowing Grbac to start and not Gannon. Gannon was hot that year while filling in and i think it messed up the chemistry you guys had going.

All kidding aside,:boxing: crisco, cap,holding call was nothing compaired to Gannon not starting. By far, it was the worst move Marty did.

Yep, depressing....... night everybody.

[Bronco LB 59]

Who is the one to decide Modern day football? You? That is convenient.

I respect the history and tradition of the American Football League. Denver was the doormat of the league, but I don't think too many of the drunken cowboys on whiskey in attendance gave a crap if the Broncos stunk then. They were just happy to have a major sports franchise, even if it was a Triple A equivalent of the NFL in the beginning.

Broncos were fortunate to hang around to the merger and since have enjoyed the fruits of the NFL television contract and Rozelle socialism :)

[Bronco LB 59]

79/59 from 73 til Elway is what I came up with, not bad. Good thing for the strike in 82, kept you at 2 and 7 and could have really gotten bad. Oh, the Elway years, yes that definateley turned the franchise around.

After the early 70s, the Chiefs stunk it up until Marty Schottenheimer with a fluke 1986 wild card berth mixed in there.

John Ralston turned the franchise around. He built up the talent base through the draft with additions such as Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Louis Wright , Riley Odoms, Rick Upchurch, Paul Howard, Otis Armstrong, Barney Chavous, Rubin Carter, Steve Foley, Claudie Minor, Tom Glassic........key players that helped Denver win the 1977 AFC Championship. Ralston brought the first winning season to the Mile High City and was the victim of his own success. His improvement raised expectations and he got canned after a 9-5 record in 1976. Since Ralston arrived, Denver doesn't tolerate losing.

[chrisdel]

Broncos > Chiefs

Chiefs > Lions

[24champ]

You should change your username to "BrainDamage"
or "Brainmush"

[Needa Pass Rush]

Denver Broncos History - http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/broncos

Kansas City Chiefs History - http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/chiefs

Here is a better link for KC/Tex historical results. I ran the bearings out of the scrolling wheel in my mouse looking for post-season KC/Tex W's. Looks to be only 3 in NFL era and a total of 7.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/misc/year_by_year.pdf

[Paladin]

There is a bit too much of the love-fest for old Lamar. He and a couple of other owners together kept the AFL alive. But it was Al Davis who brought the old NFL to its knees and forced the merger that led to the current NFL. Rozelle had to work the boys over and got Cleveland and Pittsburgh to move to the AFC side of the league to balance it out.

Al Davis? Yep. He had hatched a plan whereby the AFL teams would secretly "draft" the QBs in teh NFL and try to sign them as they became "free agents", i.e., their contracts ran out. Denver was to get a QB from San Fransisco, John Brody. When the NFL boys got wind of the plan, they had visions of a major bidding war, and Lamar Hunt agreed to help several francises to bankroll their QB committments if they signed them. Hunt was to get a fat share of TV money for his trouble. Hunt was in it for the money. He didn't need it, but it was his "thing" so to speak.

But it was Al Davis who held the "salute" to the NFL and broke them out. There was a back room battle as to whether Al Davis or Pete Rozelle was going to head up the new League, but money won out. Believe it or not: Al Davis was just as important to the establishment of the AFC as Hunt was.

You can go look up the old newspaper articles and get the stories. For the mullets here, that means you go to the library.

[DomCasual]

Who is the one to decide Modern day football? You? That is convenient.
It's me. Yup, I decide it. There was a press release - you didn't get it?

It started in 1969 - the year I was born.

I'll see if I can find a copy of that press release for you.

[redrage]

There is only one reason and one reason only for the success of Denver's franchise...

John Elway.

Before him, you had moments of success and a sniff at the Super Bowl and in the seven years since it's been no playoff wins and and no division titles (Although the latter should change this season).

Denver's just another medicocre team that occasionally has a good season. Middle of the road with no player really to carry them on a consistent basis.

Maybe Lienart will refuse to play for the Texans and demand to get traded to Denver. Then all of you can stop feeling so damn insecure.

[redrage]

There is a bit too much of the love-fest for old Lamar. He and a couple of other owners together kept the AFL alive. But it was Al Davis who brought the old NFL to its knees and forced the merger that led to the current NFL. Rozelle had to work the boys over and got Cleveland and Pittsburgh to move to the AFC side of the league to balance it out.



Two things.

1. Lamar STARTED the AFL. It was his idea.

2. Al Davis and the Raiders were the only team to vote AGAINST merging with the NFL.

[Florida_Bronco]

There is only one reason and one reason only for the success of Denver's franchise...

John Elway.

Before him, you had moments of success and a sniff at the Super Bowl and in the seven years since it's been no playoff wins and and no division titles (Although the latter should change this season).

Denver's just another medicocre team that occasionally has a good season. Middle of the road with no player really to carry them on a consistent basis.

Maybe Lienart will refuse to play for the Texans and demand to get traded to Denver. Then all of you can stop feeling so damn insecure.

The 2 years we won the Super Bowl was the result of a complete t-e-a-m. I don't recall Elway having to carry the team that season.

[HemiEd]

I respect the history and tradition of the American Football League. Denver was the doormat of the league, but I don't think too many of the drunken cowboys on whiskey in attendance gave a crap if the Broncos stunk then. They were just happy to have a major sports franchise, even if it was a Triple A equivalent of the NFL in the beginning.

Broncos were fortunate to hang around to the merger and since have enjoyed the fruits of the NFL television contract and Rozelle socialism :)


Nice Post, hard to argue with that.

[Northman]

Denver's just another medicocre team that occasionally has a good season.

Lmao! bwahhhhhhahahahahah. oh man, that just made my day. what a moron.

[HemiEd]

There is only one reason and one reason only for the success of Denver's franchise...

John Elway.

Before him, you had moments of success and a sniff at the Super Bowl and in the seven years since it's been no playoff wins and and no division titles (Although the latter should change this season).

Denver's just another medicocre team that occasionally has a good season. Middle of the road with no player really to carry them on a consistent basis.

Maybe Lienart will refuse to play for the Texans and demand to get traded to Denver. Then all of you can stop feeling so damn insecure.


Well said, pretty darn accurate IMO.

[SteveTensi13]

Denver's just another medicocre team that occasionally has a good season. Middle of the road with no player really to carry them on a consistent basis.


Well, if anyone has any knowledge about mediocre teams I guess Chefs fan are the ones who have the best insight!

[Spider]

Hilarious! So much for actual history ....... Lamar Hunt gets all the credit , Bud Adams ,Ralph Wilson and the rest of the Foolish club were mere bystanders I guess .........
About Al Davis as much as I hate him , you got to give him Credit , if it wernt for Al Davis , I dont think the merger happens , Al Davis was a bastard , but he was an AFL bastard , and he did some underhanded things to steal talent from the NFL , Pete Rozzell , finaly got revenge on Al Davis over Elway , but it still doesnt change the fact that Al Davis made the merger happen in spite of himself .......

[Spider]

And Hell if you realy want to know about Al Davis , that old bastard was the Father of the WCO ....... Walsh prefected it , but the WCO is Al Davis ....... Talk about a pisser ......

[Spider]

After the early 70s, the Chiefs stunk it up until Marty Schottenheimer with a fluke 1986 wild card berth mixed in there.

John Ralston turned the franchise around. He built up the talent base through the draft with additions such as Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Louis Wright , Riley Odoms, Rick Upchurch, Paul Howard, Otis Armstrong, Barney Chavous, Rubin Carter, Steve Foley, Claudie Minor, Tom Glassic........key players that helped Denver win the 1977 AFC Championship. Ralston brought the first winning season to the Mile High City and was the victim of his own success. His improvement raised expectations and he got canned after a 9-5 record in 1976. Since Ralston arrived, Denver doesn't tolerate losing.
^5 John Ralston ...... Red Miller damn near destroyed the Broncos ......

[Spider]

I used to have a Coin from 1977 Red Miller , Morton , Weese on it ...... Damn thing got stolen though ........

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And Hell if you realy want to know about Al Davis , that old bastard was the Father of the WCO ....... Walsh prefected it , but the WCO is Al Davis ....... Talk about a pisser ......

What? I thought it was Paul Brown.

[Bronco LB 59]

There is only one reason and one reason only for the success of Denver's franchise...

John Elway.

Before him, you had moments of success and a sniff at the Super Bowl and in the seven years since it's been no playoff wins and and no division titles (Although the latter should change this season).

Denver's just another medicocre team that occasionally has a good season. Middle of the road with no player really to carry them on a consistent basis.


That's a bunch of garbage. Denver has only 5 losing seasons in the last 33 years. 1 losing season in 11 years under Mike Shanahan. For over three decades, the Broncos have been the most consistent, competitive team in the AFC West. With Pat Bowlen running the show at the top, that is not likely going to change anytime soon.

Meanwhile, Kansas City did nothing between Hank Stram and Marty Schottenheimer. They have failed to make the postseason in 6 out of the last 7 seasons. The AFL was their heyday. That's long gone. You don't see Chicago Cubs fans talking about the Cap Anson dynasty these days?

[Spider]

What? I thought it was Paul Brown.
Nope ...... Bill Walsh worked for Al Davis same with Rauch , Al Davis spent every free minute learning from Sid Gillman and Don Coryell

[Bronco LB 59]

^5 John Ralston ...... Red Miller damn near destroyed the Broncos ......

Four years ago, I took a sports broadcasting class and John Ralston was a guest speaker one day. The professor was a collegiate radio broadcaster from Colorado and told me, "you get extra credit for wearing the Broncos sweater".

Ralston first hired Dick Vermeil as a special teams coach at Stanford. Vermeil repaid Ralston and he now works as a special advisor to the Chiefs.

Ralston had nothing but great things to say about the Broncos organization, though. Deep down, Ralston feels he is still a Bronco.

[Spider]

Four years ago, I took a sports broadcasting class and John Ralston was a guest speaker one day. The professor was a collegiate radio broadcaster from Colorado and told me, "you get extra credit for wearing the Broncos sweater".

Ralston first hired Dick Vermeil as a special teams coach at Stanford. Vermeil repaid Ralston and he now works as a special advisor to the Chiefs.

Ralston had nothing but great things to say about the Broncos organization, though. Deep down, Ralston feels he is still a Bronco.
Right on .....I wish Ralston still worked in Denver as far as Talent goes ...... Ralston had an Eye for Football players ( not athletes big difference ) .......

[redrage]

That's a bunch of garbage. Denver has only 5 losing seasons in the last 33 years. 1 losing season in 11 years under Mike Shanahan. For over three decades, the Broncos have been the most consistent, competitive team in the AFC West. With Pat Bowlen running the show at the top, that is not likely going to change anytime soon.

Meanwhile, Kansas City did nothing between Hank Stram and Marty Schottenheimer. They have failed to make the postseason in 6 out of the last 7 seasons. The AFL was their heyday. That's long gone. You don't see Chicago Cubs fans talking about the Cap Anson dynasty these days?
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who the hell cares about winnings seasons? I thought Super Bowl wins were the only thing that matters. Could this board possibly be full of crap?

[Cleo McDowell]

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/vermeil_hall.jpg

"hold me coach... im scared."

[Bronx33]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who the hell cares about winnings seasons? I thought Super Bowl wins were the only thing that matters. Could this board possibly be full of crap?


According to most mullets, this game this weekend is more important than going to church or brushing the tooth and most importantly STFU!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

According to most mullets, this game this weekend is more important than going to church

Every KC game is more important than that.

[SoCalBronco]

Every KC game is more important than that.

Your an idiot.

[Bronx33]

Every KC game is more important than that.


Ok maybe i should have said (going to the bathroom)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your an idiot.

I believe you mean:

"You're"

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ok maybe i should have said (going to the bathroom)

I'd wet my pants for KC tickets.

[Spider]

I'd wet my pants for KC tickets.
Bob you realy should introduce us to your girlfriend before you deflate her .......

[Bronx33]

I'd wet my pants for KC tickets.

You will be doing that during the game for free.....;D