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TheReverend

11-30-2005, 03:38 PM

And Bob, pay attention to this:

"Kansas City Chiefs (7-4)
When Edgerrin James topped the 100-yard mark against Pittsburgh Monday night, a huge cheer went up throughout the Kansas City area. Why? Because until then, the Steelers had the longest streak of no enemy runner hitting the century mark -- 22 games worth. Now that honor belongs to, you guessed it, the Chiefs, at 18 and counting. You say, how can this be? With that freaky defense and everything? Because when it's been so easy to gain yards passing, who wants to run?"

Like I said, you're not fooling anyone.

Dagmar

11-30-2005, 03:41 PM

minibronco

11-30-2005, 03:42 PM

Hahahahahaha.

18 Weeks?

Not anymore.

azbroncfan

11-30-2005, 03:43 PM

I hope anderson has 98 on 20 again to spread the streak to 19 and bell has 70 on 10.

rbackfactory80

11-30-2005, 03:50 PM

Oh, I thought he quit Sports Illustrated. Dam.

BigPlayShay

11-30-2005, 03:54 PM

A rather skewed number

Anderson had 98 on 20
Ronnie Brown had 95 on 8
Lamont Jordan had 93 on 17

all 3 of these guys were one or two carries away from 100

Sarcastro

11-30-2005, 04:31 PM

The Chiefs give up 3.9 ypc. The Broncos give up 3.8 ypc. You guys also have less rushing attempts per game against you.

elsid13

11-30-2005, 04:33 PM

The Chiefs give up 3.9 ypc. The Broncos give up 3.8 ypc. You guys also have less rushing attempts per game against you.

Ok, don't know where you going with the numbers.

Sarcastro

11-30-2005, 04:38 PM

Ok, don't know where you going with the numbers.

The point is that the Chiefs actually do have a good run defense. It is also interesting note that the Broncos have the fewest rushing attempts against in the league. The Bears have the best run defense in the league, but are rushed on 6.5 times more per game then the Broncos, because they don't have a good offense that gets big leads.

Bronx33

11-30-2005, 04:40 PM

Time for meat and taters......

elsid13

11-30-2005, 04:43 PM

Dukes

11-30-2005, 04:44 PM

The streak ends sunday. Mark that down :Broncos:

hades

11-30-2005, 04:48 PM

The streak ends sunday. Mark that down :Broncos:

[Van Wilder] The streak ends Sunday, write that down [/Van Wilder]
:laugh:

Dagmar

11-30-2005, 04:56 PM

The streak ends sunday. Mark that down :Broncos:

Thunder
http://www.nfl.com/images/2001/mike_anderson_103001.jpg
& Lightning
http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/Tbell1123bg.jpg
will make sure of that.

yavoon

11-30-2005, 04:57 PM

stop reading dr. z. there's no point, just ask ur grandpa what he thinks.

Drek

11-30-2005, 05:07 PM

The point is that the Chiefs actually do have a good run defense. It is also interesting note that the Broncos have the fewest rushing attempts against in the league. The Bears have the best run defense in the league, but are rushed on 6.5 times more per game then the Broncos, because they don't have a good offense that gets big leads. We play two rookies corners heavily, have had Champ Bailey injured for much of the season, stack the line, and have a tradition of being an elite run stopping team, largely based on our recent history of quality LBs, with this year's crew being the best in a long time.

Add to that the fact that Shanny is calling the offense this year and he's very agressive about getting ahead early on, and you have a pretty obvious passing situation for opposing teams.

Oh, and Dagmar, you forgot.....

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2005/dayne_ron_050720.jpg

The secret weapon. Here's hoping he gets a chance to eat up yardage this sunday like he ate up that cobbler! :)

OrangeShadow

11-30-2005, 05:08 PM

^5 Hilarious! Oh, I thought he quit Sports Illustrated. Dam.

sirhcyennek81

11-30-2005, 05:09 PM

Rookies are not playing like rookies. Solid, playmaking secondary, that stops the opp. passing game early, when it matters.

Jetmeck

11-30-2005, 05:24 PM

Denver also has less rushing attempts against them because they happen to be good at stopping it. #2 if I am not mistaken. Don't hold the fact that our offense has been giving us double digits leads against us. I am sure you wish the Chiefs had that again.

Merlin

11-30-2005, 05:41 PM

The Chiefs give up 3.9 ypc. The Broncos give up 3.8 ypc. You guys also have less rushing attempts per game against you.
I'm sorry, but your assumptions carry little weight. Just because you allow a mere two less carries per game does not explain why Denver allows less yardage per game. On the contrary, one could argue that Denver's yds/game are skewed because many runs in the second half are in essence trick plays because the oppossing teams are far behind and are trying to catch up. If you look at Denver's run D in the first half, when the games are closer, you will see that Denver's D is actually even stronger. BTW, Denver fans complain about Denver's record in the second half, but KC actually has a bigger problem in the second half of games.

Sarcastro

11-30-2005, 06:42 PM

Not starting smack - Is the reason that Chefs have good yard per play ratio because the front four are stopping the run or because they are stacking the line?

And to your second point, I'm always surprise that people fail to realize though they are individual units the offense, defense and special team play an important roles in the success of the entire system.

The front four and Kawika have been good against the run. It has been getting a pass rush from anyone other then JA that has been the problem most of the season. They have been a bit better at that since the bye.

Sarcastro

11-30-2005, 06:57 PM

I'm sorry, but your assumptions carry little weight. Just because you allow a mere two less carries per game does not explain why Denver allows less yardage per game. On the contrary, one could argue that Denver's yds/game are skewed because many runs in the second half are in essence trick plays because the oppossing teams are far behind and are trying to catch up. If you look at Denver's run D in the first half, when the games are closer, you will see that Denver's D is actually even stronger. BTW, Denver fans complain about Denver's record in the second half, but KC actually has a bigger problem in the second half of games.

Denver gives up an average of 44 rushing yards in the first half. KC gives up an average of 41.

elsid13

11-30-2005, 07:23 PM

The front four and Kawika have been good against the run. It has been getting a pass rush from anyone other then JA that has been the problem most of the season. They have been a bit better at that since the bye.

So is Gunther blitzing alot to get to the passer or do the QB have time to read and react to the coverage.

Pat Bowlen

11-30-2005, 09:28 PM

Hopefully the stat line will read:

Anderson - 18 carries, 99 yards
Bell - 4 carries, 99 yards
Dayne - 18 carries, 99 yards

SNR_Chief

11-30-2005, 10:11 PM

I'm willing to wager that LJ rushes for more yards than the entire Bronco backfield combined on Sunday

brncs_fan

11-30-2005, 10:27 PM

I'm willing to wager that LJ rushes for more yards than the entire Bronco backfield combined on Sunday
Well since you have been here over 2 years and have not even hit the century mark in posts, I highly doubt a regular takes that bet since you won't be here to post anyway.

SNR_Chief

11-30-2005, 10:48 PM

Well since you have been here over 2 years and have not even hit the century mark in posts, I highly doubt a regular takes that bet since you won't be here to post anyway.Dude, you're the n00b here, not me. All the regulars here know me quite well.

Bronco LB 59

11-30-2005, 10:59 PM

Dude, you're the n00b here, not me. All the regulars here know me quite well.

n00b is a snobby Chiefs Planet term that refers to members who are not part of the exclusive club yet. Don't bring that **** over here, we don't want to hear it.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-30-2005, 11:01 PM

n00b is a snobby Chiefs Planet term that refers to members who are not part of the exclusive club yet. Don't bring that **** over here, we don't want to hear it.

You dolt! n00b is an internet-slang term used almost everywhere on the net.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-30-2005, 11:02 PM

So is Gunther blitzing alot to get to the passer or do the QB have time to read and react to the coverage.

No. Gunther is blitzing less than last year I'd say.

brncs_fan

11-30-2005, 11:02 PM

Dude, you're the n00b here, not me. All the regulars here know me quite well.
Easy big fella. No need for name calling. I was just stating that you have been here for 2 years now and have 998 posts (pre-emptive congradulations on 1k). 998 posts over two years is 499 a year or aproximatley 1.367123288 posts a day.

My contention was that with a post count like that you are either a minor poster, here for two weeks a year (the two weeks we play the chiefs), or just non existant for long periods of time. Or, you could be in the same boat that I am in where you registered and didn't post anything for a while.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-30-2005, 11:04 PM

Because when it's been so easy to gain yards passing, who wants to run?"[/b]

Like I said, you're not fooling anyone.
Ask the Patriots, who had the best passing offense in the league coming to last week's game, how easy it was to pass at will.

Make no mistake, you'll need a strong ground game to beat us. And if you think we're scared of your 21st ranked passing attack, think again, biatch.

Since Dexter McCleon left the starting lineup, our pass defense has been solid.

All I can say is if Tom Brady, who is widely accepted as the best QB in the league, threw 4 interceptions against us, what is Jake Plummer going to do? LOL

Bob's your Information Minister

11-30-2005, 11:07 PM

Hopefully the stat line will read:

Anderson - 18 carries, 99 yards
Bell - 4 carries, 99 yards
Dayne - 18 carries, 99 yards

Heh, that's pretty funny.

But seriously folks, this isn't your fathers KC Chiefs run defense. The only smear on our record is that damn Denver game, and we're looking to correct it this Sunday. Payback!

Bronco LB 59

11-30-2005, 11:14 PM

You dolt! n00b is an internet-slang term used almost everywhere on the net.

It's still lame. Whoever started it should be drawn and quartered.

SNR_Chief

11-30-2005, 11:19 PM

Easy big fella. No need for name calling. I was just stating that you have been here for 2 years now and have 998 posts (pre-emptive congradulations on 1k). 998 posts over two years is 499 a year or aproximatley 1.367123288 posts a day.

My contention was that with a post count like that you are either a minor poster, here for two weeks a year (the two weeks we play the chiefs), or just non existant for long periods of time. Or, you could be in the same boat that I am in where you registered and didn't post anything for a while.I do most of my posting here during the season. I'm almost never here in the offseason, or Chiefsplanet for that matter.

brncs_fan

11-30-2005, 11:21 PM

I do most of my posting here during the season. I'm almost never here in the offseason, or Chiefsplanet for that matter.
I think we have both learned our lesson today that we need to be more understanding and......**** it, it's Chiefs week.

SCREW YOU

BigPlayShay

11-30-2005, 11:30 PM

But seriously folks, this isn't your fathers KC Chiefs run defense.

Not on topic, but my father was in High School when the Chiefs last won the Superbowl ;D

Bob's your Information Minister

11-30-2005, 11:31 PM

I think we have both learned our lesson today that we need to be more understanding and......**** it, it's Chiefs week.

SCREW YOU

Damn straight.

TheReverend

12-01-2005, 09:05 AM

All I can say is if Tom Brady, who is widely accepted as the best QB in the league, threw 4 interceptions against us, what is Jake Plummer going to do? LOL

Bobby... didnt Jake's streak of games without an interception start with you?

Tom's lack of performance this season and last week is hardly a reflection of KC playing great defense. It's more a reflection of RB and OL injuries. If that offense was healthy, do you really think KC, of all teams, wouldve gotten 4 picks?

Youre insane. Take your Ronald McDonald color wearing ass back to Chiefs planet.

This is you ----------------->:devil:

Get it? Flaming!

Rascal

12-01-2005, 09:10 AM

Like it or not the chiefs defense is better then the rap they are given. Of course one can only go up from where they were in years past. But at the same time their defense is getting better one could also say that their offense has declined by about the same amount. And with Hall not being the X factor he was when they won the division there is not as much room for error to push them over the top.

Having said that...they will beat us 5000-0.

RINGLEADER

12-01-2005, 09:49 AM

The Chiefs give up 3.9 ypc. The Broncos give up 3.8 ypc. You guys also have less rushing attempts per game against you.

And if you take away that one Ronnie Brown run in Miami after the Chiefs had the game in hand the KC ypc drops to 3.6. Also funny how the crappy Chiefs pass defense has only managed to give up 1 yard per game more than Denver's unstoppable pass defense - sort of blowing a whole in the theory behind this thread...

Bob's your Information Minister

12-01-2005, 12:41 PM

Tom's lack of performance this season and last week is hardly a reflection of KC playing great defense. It's more a reflection of RB and OL injuries. If that offense was healthy, do you really think KC, of all teams, wouldve gotten 4 picks?

HA!! HA!!! How do you explain the fact that he came into the KC game LEADING THE LEAGUE IN PASSING despite those injuries.

You retard.

Bob's your Information Minister

12-01-2005, 12:41 PM

Rock Chalk

12-01-2005, 12:56 PM

And if you take away that one Ronnie Brown run in Miami after the Chiefs had the game in hand the KC ypc drops to 3.6. Also funny how the crappy Chiefs pass defense has only managed to give up 1 yard per game more than Denver's unstoppable pass defense - sort of blowing a whole in the theory behind this thread...
How many passes have been thrown on you and how many have you stopped?

The fact that Denver is thrown on twice as much as KC (or nearly) and still has a better pass defense should tell you something.

BigPlayShay

12-01-2005, 01:01 PM

And if you take away that one Ronnie Brown run in Miami after the Chiefs had the game in hand the KC ypc drops to 3.6. Also funny how the crappy Chiefs pass defense has only managed to give up 1 yard per game more than Denver's unstoppable pass defense - sort of blowing a whole in the theory behind this thread...

So to calculate how Denver's rush defense did against the Chiefs in the first game this year we should just not count any rushing yards Priest or LJ gained after the first quarter?

Bob's your Information Minister

12-01-2005, 01:03 PM

The fact that Denver is thrown on twice as much as KC (or nearly) and still has a better pass defense should tell you something.

Pass attempts against per game:

Denver - 39.8

Kansas City - 36.3

Yep, nearly twice as as much. Did you go to the same math classes as Iowanian?

redrage

12-01-2005, 01:05 PM

How many passes have been thrown on you and how many have you stopped?

The fact that Denver is thrown on twice as much as KC (or nearly) and still has a better pass defense should tell you something.
Denver opponents have 3.5 more attempts a game than opponents vs. KC. But don't exaggerate or anything.:nono:

Paladin

12-01-2005, 01:49 PM

Ah, yes. The old "STATS THAT MATTER" thing. WGAF? Dont' matter. The mullets are playing the Broncos, and the Broncos are playing the mullets. Truth be told, these have usually been pretty intense games, and the series have been split for several years, now. Home and home splits are not uncommon. A division game should be intense.

It is fortunate that the Broncos do have a little cushion here. That means that the Broncos can play to win, not play to "not lose." I would imagine old DickieV is telling his troops, "You can't lose this. You just can't!!" And we all know that mullets have a great problem when they are under pressure to perform. Mostly, they hold or block in the back.

I do not know who will win Sunday, and there is not a soul in the world who knows. I just hope it is a good game, well officiated, and that there are no injuries. And I hope Anderson gets 172 yards, and LJ gets 27.

TheReverend

12-01-2005, 03:06 PM

Pass attempts against per game:

Denver - 39.8

Kansas City - 36.3

Yep, nearly twice as as much. Did you go to the same math classes as Iowanian?

Youre such an annoying little fairy. I cant wait until KC loses. Its funny that you still wont shut up.

TheReverend

12-01-2005, 03:09 PM

HA!! HA!!! How do you explain the fact that he came into the KC game LEADING THE LEAGUE IN PASSING despite those injuries.

You retard.

Well golly... it must not have been a bad day for him... he must be padding his stats playing crappy defenses like buffalo, carolina, denver etc, and not something as STELLAR as the KC defense.

Bob's your Information Minister

12-01-2005, 03:11 PM

Well golly... it must not have been a bad day for him... he must be padding his stats playing crappy defenses like buffalo, carolina, denver etc, and not something as STELLAR as the KC defense.

Now I've seen it all...

The fact of the matter is that you would be sucking off Bronco DB's left and right if they had collected 4 Brady interceptions.

You seem to be fairly confident about the Broncos chances this weekend. Put your avatar where your mouth is. Rest of the season.

Elway 4 Life

12-01-2005, 03:13 PM

Denver gives up an average of 44 rushing yards in the first half. KC gives up an average of 41.

Who cares? That means nothing.

Broncos 9-2
chiefs 7-4

That matters, nothing else.

TheDave

12-01-2005, 03:53 PM

You seem to be fairly confident about the Broncos chances this weekend. Put your avatar where your mouth is. Rest of the season.

I knew you had more than one bet going...

Bob's your Information Minister

12-01-2005, 03:59 PM

I knew you had more than one bet going...

None for this week so far.

TheDave

12-01-2005, 04:00 PM

None for this week so far.

Then what bet do you have?

Bob's your Information Minister

12-01-2005, 04:02 PM

Then what bet do you have?

Let me rephrase, no AVATAR bets.

TheDave

12-01-2005, 04:05 PM

Let me rephrase, no AVATAR bets.

let me rephrase...Then what bet do you have?

TheDave

12-01-2005, 04:36 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=34023

Now according to the above thread you already have a bet that you are banned until 2006 if we win. Now if thats true, how can you make 2 bets with the same marker... Sounds like another case of a chef fan bitching up to me.

RINGLEADER

12-01-2005, 04:44 PM

How many passes have been thrown on you and how many have you stopped?

The fact that Denver is thrown on twice as much as KC (or nearly) and still has a better pass defense should tell you something.

Bronco Math 101:

246 (passes on Denver) - 232 (passes on KC) = 232 (or nearly)

Fact is that your passing defense just isn't that much better than the Chiefs - especially since we've gotten one of our starting CBs back.

RINGLEADER

12-01-2005, 04:45 PM

So to calculate how Denver's rush defense did against the Chiefs in the first game this year we should just not count any rushing yards Priest or LJ gained after the first quarter?

Oh no, the Chiefs do deserve the #5 rush defense ranking they have...just most of the time (around 99.9%) they outperform their stats.

TheReverend

12-01-2005, 08:56 PM

Now I've seen it all...

The fact of the matter is that you would be sucking off Bronco DB's left and right if they had collected 4 Brady interceptions.

You seem to be fairly confident about the Broncos chances this weekend. Put your avatar where your mouth is. Rest of the season.

I asked you for bets earlier... Id rather play for cash... my avatar means nothing to me.