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alkemical
11-30-2005, 10:51 AM
Good read W*gs
epicSocialism4tw
11-30-2005, 04:14 PM
I definately agree on the decriminalization of some illegal drugs. I could go on and on about that, but I wont. :)
alkemical
12-01-2005, 12:35 PM
I used to be that way for my own self centered desires - now i want it that way to keep the prison industry down
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 01:08 PM
I used to be that way for my own self centered desires - now i want it that way to keep the prison industry down
It just makes sense. How do you make a drug like Marijuana illegal and allow the consumption of Alcohol, which is one of the most dangerous drugs out there. There are many reasons why some drugs should become decriminalized.
TheDave
12-01-2005, 01:30 PM
It just makes sense. How do you make a drug like Marijuana illegal and allow the consumption of Alcohol, which is one of the most dangerous drugs out there. There are many reasons why some drugs should become decriminalized.
Though i completely agree with you... something tells me that the combination of the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical lobbyists might make that difficult. Come to think of it, those three combined might have almost half as much power as Big Oil :pity:
alkemical
12-01-2005, 01:32 PM
I just believe in (ready for this!)
Cognizent Liberty
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 01:37 PM
Though i completely agree with you... something tells me that the combination of the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical lobbyists might make that difficult. Come to think of it, those three combined might have almost half as much power as Big Oil :pity:
Yep...who wants people to have access to a free high when you can tax the living daylights out of them at the counter?
alkemical
12-01-2005, 01:38 PM
i just find it funny that on the 'black' market, it's the best example of free trade and the best lesson in capitalism
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 01:44 PM
i just find it funny that on the 'black' market, it's the best example of free trade and the best lesson in capitalism
Okay...if our government decriminalized Marijuana,
Im sure that the illegal market would shift into another money grabbing genre like counterfit name brand clothing or something, but the violence and danger associated with the acquisition and consumption of Pot would disappear immediately. Shops would open up, growing clubs would develop, and the drug use could be brought into the mainstream where it would provide a safer alternative to alcohol use. Pot can be ingested in many different ways, so the lung abuse debate is not as relevant as it might seem. The isolation of and labratory manipulation of tetrahydrocannabinol could also lead to the development of effective drugs for various symptoms.
TheDave
12-01-2005, 01:48 PM
Okay...if our government decriminalized Marijuana,
Im sure that the illegal market would shift into another money grabbing genre like counterfit name brand clothing or something, but the violence and danger associated with the acquisition and consumption of Pot would disappear immediately. Shops would open up, growing clubs would develop, and the drug use could be brought into the mainstream where it would provide a safer alternative to alcohol use. Pot can be ingested in many different ways, so the lung abuse debate is not as relevant as it might seem. The isolation of and labratory manipulation of tetrahydrocannabinol could also lead to the development of effective drugs for various symptoms.
benefit #267: Tax the hell out of it (sin tax) and it's free health care for everyone... well maybe not quite but i'll bet it would come damn close
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 01:56 PM
benefit #267: Tax the hell out of it (sin tax) and it's free health care for everyone... well maybe not quite but i'll bet it would come damn close
Yeah...I'm sure that you would have alot of commercial opportunity despite it's relative abundance.
alkemical
12-01-2005, 01:59 PM
Yeah but does taxing cigs and alcohol fund enough coffers to accomplish what they say/state it will?
TheDave
12-01-2005, 02:02 PM
here is the funny part... Every poll i have seen shows that +60% of americans would vote to legalize it. If these polls are true then what are politicians so afraid of? Do those 3 lobbys/industries that i mentioned really have that much power? If so what does that say about how much corporations really do run this country?
TheDave
12-01-2005, 02:05 PM
Yeah but does taxing cigs and alcohol fund enough coffers to accomplish what they say/state it will?
no, but this product is even cheaper than tobacco (cost of good sold) you could tax this to the tune of 500% and probably wouldn't put a dent in sales
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 02:08 PM
here is the funny part... Every poll i have seen shows that +60% of americans would vote to legalize it. If these polls are true then what are politicians so afraid of? Do those 3 lobbys/industries that i mentioned really have that much power? If so what does that say about how much corporations really do run this country?
Dave, unfortunately, the big corporate lobby is America. They are our ruling class. Your ability to affect what they do is near zero unless you lead a coup. I would never expect our government to do anything at all for the right reasons.
We exist in the periphery. We are bought and sold everyday. I'm certain that any one of our ruling wealthy would take your life away if it meant maintaining even a small portion of their wealth and influence.
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 02:09 PM
no, but this product is even cheaper than tobacco (cost of good sold) you could tax this to the tune of 500% and probably wouldn't put a dent in sales
Not only is it cheaper than tobacco to produce, but you can use every part of the plant in processing.
alkemical
12-01-2005, 02:30 PM
I've heard rumors that some cig companies have land prepurchased for such farms
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 02:59 PM
I've heard rumors that some cig companies have land prepurchased for such farms
Yeah...there was a rumor around that Marlboro had production already in the works. "Marlboro Greens"...I'm sure that it was just a rumor, but I do think that these guys are waiting in the wings with production plans.
Antilles
12-01-2005, 03:30 PM
Yeah...I'm sure that you would have alot of commercial opportunity despite it's relative abundance.
Given how quickly and easily it can be cultivated, you'd probably have to require grower's licenses to cut down (somewhat) on the number of "independent entrepreneurs" who would grow their own to avoid paying the tax (or paying for it at all really. Gotta pay for those Cheetos man).
alkemical
12-01-2005, 03:30 PM
if you could get/charge a license for independant farmers - you could make a nice bit o' money
epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2005, 03:43 PM
Given how quickly and easily it can be cultivated, you'd probably have to require grower's licenses to cut down (somewhat) on the number of "independent entrepreneurs" who would grow their own to avoid paying the tax (or paying for it at all really. Gotta pay for those Cheetos man).
From what I understand, that stuff grows all over the place without any help. Its a strong and virile plant that would naturally grow all over the Southwest. There really wouldnt be any way to keep people from having it.
TheDave
12-01-2005, 03:46 PM
I think when you are charging $5 for a cig style pack of joints there wouldn't be much interest in growing it...at least not enough to offset revenue.
theodnixon
12-01-2005, 04:10 PM
here is the funny part... Every poll i have seen shows that +60% of americans would vote to legalize it. If these polls are true then what are politicians so afraid of? Do those 3 lobbys/industries that i mentioned really have that much power? If so what does that say about how much corporations really do run this country?
the 80/20 rule. 80% of our goverment is owned by 20 dif industries.
The other 20% make decisoins to keep their past from haunting them.