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Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 04:52 PM
Cunningham’s defense taking him back to the glory days

JOE POSNANSKI

Kansas City Star

This was why Gunther Cunningham came back to town. It wasn’t so he could run his own defense again. It wasn’t because he missed Kansas City. And it wasn’t because he wanted to make things right after being fired as the Chiefs’ head coach.

Sure, all of those things played into his thinking.

But no, if Cunningham had to give one reason why he came back to run the Chiefs’ defense after a heartbreaking farewell, he probably would give this scene from Sunday:

The Chiefs led the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots by 13 points. It was almost halftime. Third and long. The Patriots had the ball, and quarterback Tom Brady pointed at Chiefs defensive players and shouted something that probably sounded like, “Block him! Block him, too! Hey, I know that guy! Hey, look, John Candy! Whoa, look at that guy! Don’t let him hit me!”

Cunningham, standing on the sideline, waved his arms to get the Arrowhead crowd to get louder.

The crowd got louder.

He waved his arms more.

The crowd got louder still.

The ball snapped. Jared Allen — looking a whole lot like Derrick Thomas from another time — rocketed past New England left tackle Nick Kaczur. Allen dived at Brady’s feet. Sack. Arrowhead Stadium shook, like old times, and Allen ran to the sideline where Cunningham waited to hug him.

“Our attitude is, ‘Nobody is getting nothing on us,’ ” Allen says. “Nothing.”

If we each get our own personal heaven, well, this would be Gunther Cunningham’s heaven: an overcast day, a deafening Arrowhead Stadium, a Chiefs victory and a defense that believes that nobody is getting nothing.

This was why he came back. Cunningham looks back on his early days as coordinator for the Chiefs — particularly in 1995 and 1997 when the Chiefs had the NFL’s top-ranked defense — as the best time of his life. You can still see the far-off look in his eyes when he talks about those days and the way Arrowhead sounded, the way his defense blitzed Todd Collins four straight downs, the way it hounded John Elway, the 10 straight games the defense did not allow a second-half touchdown.

When he starts talking about the 1990s in Kansas City, Cunningham sounds a lot like Burt Lancaster in “Atlantic City” when he looks out over the water and says, “You should have seen the Atlantic Ocean in those days.”

See, Cunningham came back to relive the best days of his life. How many people get the chance to be the high school quarterback or the homecoming queen a second time? The trouble was, Cunningham soon realized that things in Kansas City were different. He came back to coach a struggling defense with much less talent than he had been led to believe. Last year, the Chiefs gave up points by the dozen. Arrowhead was as quiet as a church — it’s hard to cheer when the other offense is moving.

Cunningham nearly went out of his mind.

He pleaded with Chiefs GM/president/CEO/window smasher Carl Peterson to give him more talent. In the offseason, the Chiefs added a bunch of new defensive players. Cunningham tried to teach his Clinton-biography-sized playbook in a day and a half. And in the early weeks, not surprisingly, the defense did not look significantly better.

This time, though, Cunningham could feel that things were about to change.

“The problem with you guys,” Cunningham remembers telling his players during a practice before the second Oakland Raiders game, “is you don’t realize how close you are. You are too dumb to realize that we’re on the brink of being one of the dominant defenses in this league. I’ve seen it. We’re so close. Give me just a little more, and we’re going to tear up this league.”

Well, Cunningham says this kind of stuff all the time. But sure enough, the Chiefs’ defense held the Raiders to 263 total yards that week. The next week, at Buffalo, they were even better, holding the Bills to 209 yards. After utterly dominating Houston last week, the Chiefs suddenly were fifth in the NFL in rush defense. They had not allowed a 200-yard passer in almost a month.

Sure, Oakland, Buffalo and Houston are not good teams. But remember, before Cunningham came along, the Chiefs’ defenses were not discriminating. They gave up yards and points to everybody.

“We’re about to show the world,” Cunningham told friends and players before Sunday’s New England game.

Sunday, the defense showed. Sure, people can talk about how the Patriots were beat up and they’re not as good as the three New England teams that won Super Bowls, and yada, yada yada. All true. That was still Bill Belichick coaching, still Tom Brady passing (with the league’s fourth-best passing attack), still a champion coming into Kansas City in need of a victory.

And for most of the game, the Chiefs’ defense utterly overwhelmed New England. The Patriots had no running game. Brady threw four picks. The Chiefs sacked him three times. The Patriots managed 104 yards of offense in the first half. Brady had his worst statistical game in almost three years.

Belichick was left muttering: “We didn’t do a good enough job offensively, and we didn’t do a good enough job defensively. It wasn’t anything I’m not going to sit here and say it was or it wasn’t.”

You figure out that quote. It’s like NFL Sudoku.

The point is: The Chiefs needed a knockout. The Chiefs got a knockout.

Of course, the Chiefs’ defense will have to prove it all again this Sunday, against the 9-2 Denver Broncos. That’s the NFL. But for a day at Arrowhead, at least, it seemed like old times. Arrowhead rocked, the defense rolled, the Chiefs stayed in the playoff hunt.

And Gunther Cunningham was in heaven. He ran off the field pumping his fists. He left the stadium quickly to spend a few hours with family before getting back to work.

“After the game, he was more tired than we were,” Allen says. “And he was just on the sideline. That’s why we love playing for him. We give our heart. He gives his soul.”

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 04:53 PM
After your three and outs the crowd will be all but gone.

ludo21
11-28-2005, 04:54 PM
LOL

KC _efense will be exploited yet again next week!

Rocket 7
11-28-2005, 04:56 PM
Yawn

DomCasual
11-28-2005, 05:01 PM
Cunningham’s defense taking him back to the glory days
My favorite part of this article and post?

The fact that 1995 - 1997 are the "glory days" for the Kansas City Chiefs.

You have the '85 Bears, the '72 Dolphins, the '89 49ers...

and the '95 - '97 Chiefs. :giggle:

"Welcome to Kansas City - Loserville, USA"

ludo21
11-28-2005, 05:02 PM
My favorite part of this article and post?

The fact that 1995 - 1997 are the "glory days" for the Kansas City Chiefs.

You have the '85 Bears, the '72 Dolphins, the '89 49ers...

and the '95 - '97 Chiefs. :giggle:

"Welcome to Kansas City - Loserville, USA"

:~ohyah!:

ROFL!

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2005, 05:04 PM
My favorite part of this article and post?

The fact that 1995 - 1997 are the "glory days" for the Kansas City Chiefs.

You have the '85 Bears, the '72 Dolphins, the '89 49ers...

and the '95 - '97 Chiefs. :giggle:

"Welcome to Kansas City - Loserville, USA"

That was the first thing I thought of when I read that. What exactly did they win during their "glory days?"

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 05:04 PM
What a load of BS. Do any of these KC idiots look at the quality/strength of the teams that their defense has supposedly got better against ? Are they really that clueless ?

Didn't we hear this dribble before our MNF smackdown of these idiots this year about how great their D was when they had only played the freaking JETS and the freaking Raiders and we know those two turned out and yet KC has learned nothing. Their D has improved against against sub par teams and they ignore the facts. Time for another SMACKDOWN. F you idiots you'll never learn !

75 yards given up to a third or fourth string RB, two rookies on the OL and a team constantly playing from behind and needing to throw, in other words only running to TRY to keep the D from just blitzing every play. I am not impressed, we will have another huge day running the ball

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 05:06 PM
What a load of BS. Do any of these KC idiots look at the quality/strength of the teams that their defense has supposedly got better against ? Are they really that clueless ?

Didn't we hear this dribble before our MNF smackdown of these idiots this year about how great their D was when they had only played the freaking JETS and the freaking Raiders and we how those two turned out and yet KC has learned nothing. Their D has improved against against sub par teams and they ignore the facts. Time for another SMACKDOWN. F you idiots you'll never learn !


The texas game and the patty game was there measuring stick..

DomCasual
11-28-2005, 05:06 PM
That was the first thing I thought of when I read that. What exactly did they win during their "glory days?"
They have those three preseason Lombardi Trophies from that era. Don't forget that.

"Glory days" - that's just rich. Ha!

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2005, 05:09 PM
What's funny is that Gunther is getting credit for turning around the KC defense instead of the influx of talent on defense the Chefs brought in during the offseason. Two years ago Greg Robinson took a bunch of bums and got enough out of them to help the Chefs go 13-3. Gunther takes the same group of players the following year and they not only get worse statistically, but the team goes 7-9.

I guess the idea of getting Robinson some talent to work with never occured to the braintrust in KC. I mean, why would they? All Robinson's defenses did when he had talent to work with was help a team win a pair of Super Bowls. Yet they open the wallet for Gunther and he's suddenly a genius. Sure.::)

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 05:10 PM
What's funny is that Gunther is getting credit for turning around the KC defense instead of the influx of talent on defense the Chefs brought in during the offseason. Two years ago Greg Robinson took a bunch of bums and got enough out of them to help the Chefs go 13-3. Gunther takes the same group of players the following year and they not only get worse statistically, but the team goes 7-9.

I guess the idea of getting Robinson some talent to work with never occured to the braintrust in KC. I mean, why would they? All Robinson's defenses did when he had talent to work with was help a team win a pair of Super Bowls. Yet they open the wallet for Gunther and he's suddenly a genius. Sure.::)


Short memories.....

Spider
11-28-2005, 05:11 PM
!Booya!

ludo21
11-28-2005, 05:11 PM
!Booya!


Ha!

Good one! ^5

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:19 PM
What's funny is that Gunther is getting credit for turning around the KC defense)

He should. Kawika Mitchell looks like a different player. So does Greg Wesley.

This D wasn't this good at the beginning of the year. Why are they better now?

That's all Gunther, baby!

This team wouldn't hit you when GROB was here. They do now.

That's all Gunther, baby!

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2005, 05:23 PM
He should. Kawika Mitchell looks like a different player.

This D wasn't this good at the beginning of the year. Why are they better now?

That's all Gunther, baby!

How about Woods? How's he looked under Gunther? I seem to remember Robinson squeezing a Pro Bowl season out of that loser.

Gunther did worse with the same players Robinson had. That much is fact, which you obviously realize because you conveniently ignored it and have been ever since last season.

I guess that's where Robinson went wrong, he didn't spend enough time waving his hands and cheerleading for the Narrowhead crowd. I guess he was too busy finding ways to win games with a group of players who had minimal talent.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:25 PM
How about Woods? How's he looked under Gunther? I seem to remember Robinson squeezing a Pro Bowl season out of that loser.

Woods didn't play that well under Robinson. All of his INTs fell right into his lap. He certainly didn't hit anyone.

When Woods was actually asked to cover a zone or a man in a REAL defensive scheme, he failed miserably.

A good defense stats with stopping the run. Gunther has taken the same middle linebacker, the same defensive line and turned them into a top 5 run stopping unit. Only 88 yards per game. Robinson couldn't. Even WITH Ryan Sims on the field.

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2005, 05:28 PM
Woods didn't play that well under Robinson. All of his INTs fell right into his lap. He certainly didn't hit anyone.

When Woods was actually asked to cover a zone or a man in a REAL defensive scheme, he failed miserably.

That sure didn't stop you and other Chefs fans from crowing about your Pro Bowl safety back then. Amazing how people's perspectives change with time.

Greg Robinson is simply a better defensive coordinator. That doesn't make Gunther a bum, it just means Robinson is better than he is.....and that much has been clearly proven.

Spin away Bob.

Clockwork Orange
11-28-2005, 05:29 PM
Even WITH Ryan Sims on the field.

You say that like it's a good thing. Simmms is a bust and everyone but you knows it.

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 05:29 PM
He should. Kawika Mitchell looks like a different player. So does Greg Wesley.

This D wasn't this good at the beginning of the year. Why are they better now?

That's all Gunther, baby!

This team wouldn't hit you when GROB was here. They do now.

That's all Gunther, baby!


Like all other chefs fans you think Greg Wesley is a gamer based on one crappy proformance from tom brady, A SIX YEAR OLD COULD HAVE MADE THOSE PICKS BOB! (you have to quit blowing gunter man)

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:32 PM
That sure didn't stop you and other Chefs fans from crowing about your Pro Bowl safety back then. Amazing how people's perspectives change with time.

Greg Robinson is simply a better defensive coordinator. That doesn't make Gunther a bum, it just means Robinson is better than he is.....and that much has been clearly proven.

Spin away Bob.
Yeah, we were wrong.

There's no way GROB is better. I'm shocked a Denver fan is arguing that point. Most Denver fans know he sucks ass. His schemes are retarded.

Spider
11-28-2005, 05:32 PM
:)

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:32 PM
You say that like it's a good thing. Simmms is a bust and everyone but you knows it.

Nah, he's our best defensive tackle. We miss him. He's coming back this Sunday!

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:33 PM
Like all other chefs fans you think Greg Wesley is a gamer based on one crappy proformance from tom brady, A SIX YEAR OLD COULD HAVE MADE THOSE PICKS BOB! (you have to quit blowing gunter man)

One game? Nay. He has six interceptions on the year, and 22 interceptions the last 3 years and 11 games. The guy is just a ballhawk. He rules.

TheDave
11-28-2005, 05:34 PM
Most Denver fans know he sucks ass. His schemes are retarded.

Yet they held you to 10pts in route to the super bowl... !Booya!

Spider
11-28-2005, 05:36 PM
:thumbsup:

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2005, 05:39 PM
This is hillarious...only a Chiefs fan gets a woody over a retread coach paddin' his stats at the expense of the Texans, Bills, Faders and a Pats team that looks like a MASH unit quit on 'em. Nyah!

DomCasual
11-28-2005, 05:40 PM
Yet they held you to 10pts in route to the super bowl... !Booya!
Yeah, but that was post glory-days. Don't forget about that.

Now, had we faced them during the glory days, things would have been A LOT different.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:40 PM
This is hillarious...only a Chiefs fan gets a woody over a retread coach paddin' his stats at the expense of the Texans, Bills, Faders and a Pats team that looks like a MASH unit quit on 'em. Nyah!

The Raiders huh? How many yards did your unit allow to them?

Spider
11-28-2005, 05:41 PM
Hilarious!

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 05:42 PM
One game? Nay. He has six interceptions on the year, and 22 interceptions the last 3 years and 11 games. The guy is just a ballhawk. He rules.


No bob YOU RULE!

Spider
11-28-2005, 05:43 PM
:welcome:

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 05:46 PM
Yeah, we were wrong.

There's no way GROB is better. I'm shocked a Denver fan is arguing that point. Most Denver fans know he sucks ass. His schemes are retarded.

Bob,

Grob won back to back superbowls with those schemes. Let's see you spin out of this one.

elsid13
11-28-2005, 05:47 PM
Can something tell me when the defination of glory changed, because my old dictionary has it defined as praise, honor or distinction by common consent. Those words don't have anything in common with the Chefs' D

bronco610
11-28-2005, 05:49 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=13641&stc=1&d=1133228565
Now thats funy

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 05:53 PM
Bob,

Grob won back to back superbowls with those schemes. Let's see you spin out of this one.

Easy. There's no way GROB's D was the key ingredient in your SBs.

That's why Shanahan fired his ass ASAP. He knew with the offensive decline after Elway left, there's no way GROB's D was going to hold up.

Unfortunately, Dick 4 Meal was an idiot and brought him to KC. I think it speaks volumes that the dumbass hasn't been back in the NFL since.

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 05:59 PM
Easy. There's no way GROB's D was the key ingredient in your SBs.

That's why Shanahan fired his ass ASAP. He knew with the offensive decline after Elway left, there's no way GROB's D was going to hold up.

Unfortunately, Dick 4 Meal was an idiot and brought him to KC. I think it speaks volumes that the dumbass hasn't been back in the NFL since.

Well maybe elway was really good? just a thought.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:01 PM
Well maybe elway was really good? just a thought.

Of course.

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 06:04 PM
97-especially 98 our D was excellent , case in point in 98 playoffs including superbowl we had ONE TD scored against our D. GROB and SHANAHAN rubbed each other the wrong way. He was the fall guy for your lack of talent.

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 06:05 PM
Why don't you address the fact that your D only got healthy against bad teams ?

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2005, 06:07 PM
The Raiders huh? How many yards did your unit allow to them?
Chiefs 263,
Denver 335

Ummm...Stat Boy...we were up 23-0 in the 4th quarter and the Fade got 60 yards rushing for the game, plus a bunch of meaningless passing yards when the thing was over. Your Chiefs nearly lost the game, so who cares? But if you're turned on by "winning" the yardage battle then knock yourself out.

It's about to get a lot tougher.

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 06:09 PM
Well ?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:09 PM
Chiefs 263,
Denver 335


Exactly. Maybe you're ready to give some credit to the KC D now.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:11 PM
Why don't you address the fact that your D only got healthy against bad teams ?

Tom Brady was the NFL passing leader before we punked his ass.

I guess if KC beats Denver and plays well on D, you will finally have to give us some credit. But of course, you won't.

You're one of these dipshiats who was crowing about Brady destroying our secondary last week.

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 06:13 PM
Tom Brady was the NFL passing leader before we punked his ass.

I guess if KC beats Denver and plays well on D, you will finally have to give us some credit. But of course, you won't.

You're one of these dipshiats who was crowing about Brady destroying our secondary last week.




Brady had one of the worst if not the worst games of his career, consistently overthrowing everything. You want to brag about Houston or maybe Buffalo or two wins against the Raiders or the one against the JETS ?

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 06:14 PM
What about GROB being so bad ? How many teams DEFENSE have only give up one TD in the playoffs ?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:15 PM
Brady had one of the worst if not the worst games of his career, consistently overthrowing everything.

And the Chiefs had NOTHING to do with that. Right?

Jetmeck
11-28-2005, 06:15 PM
A NORMAL Brady would have found a way, we have all seen it before.........F your DEFENSE.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:26 PM
A NORMAL Brady would have found a way, we have all seen it before.........F your DEFENSE.

Look at Brady...he stepped right into this sack:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4653/allen8thsackofseason8bq.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 06:28 PM
Look at Brady...he stepped right into this sack:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4653/allen8thsackofseason8bq.gif (http://imageshack.us)


LMAO! bob you amaze me...

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2005, 06:30 PM
Exactly. Maybe you're ready to give some credit to the KC D now.
Uh...no. Guess you have a reading comprehension problem huh?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:33 PM
Here is Brady about to throw his second interception...Brady just had a brain fart, KC didn't cause the high throw with pressure despite the defender right in Brady's jock:

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:35 PM
Here is Brady about to toss his third interception, on a throw that was about 10 feet over the receiver's head. That high throw couldn't POSSIBLY have been caused by the defender in Brady's face, could it?

No1BroncoFan
11-28-2005, 06:43 PM
That's all Gunther, baby!
Yea, I'm sure strength of opponents had nothing to do wit it. :unamused:

Shut the fvck up, Bob. KC sucks and their defense swallows!

Ben

No1BroncoFan
11-28-2005, 06:48 PM
The Raiders huh? How many yards did your unit allow to them?
Fvck you, Bob. Don't you even start talking stats after claiming stats didn't matter when they didn't support your pathetic little homer view. Sorry dipsh*t, but you don't get it both ways.

Ben

No1BroncoFan
11-28-2005, 06:53 PM
Seein' as how Bob gets worked so much around here. TJ, could you change his name to Bob's the OrangeMane b*tch?

Ben

crazyhorse
11-28-2005, 06:54 PM
A NORMAL Brady would have found a way, we have all seen it before.........F your DEFENSE.

Maybe it was too hot. You know....like Miami.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 06:55 PM
Seein' as how Bob gets worked so much around here. TJ, could you change his name to Bob's the OrangeMane b*tch?

Ben
The only posters getting worked right now are all the Broncos fans that said Brady would carve up KC. They are backpedaling faster than Brian Griese stumbling over his dog in the driveway.

No1BroncoFan
11-28-2005, 06:58 PM
The only posters getting worked right now are all the Broncos fans that said Brady would carve up KC. They are backpedaling faster than Brian Griese stumbling over his dog in the driveway.
You get worked on a regular basis.

Ben

gunns
11-28-2005, 06:58 PM
I loved that "glory days Goonther defense" in 97. 14-10

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 07:00 PM
I loved that "glory days Goonther defense" in 97. 14-10

We were the only team that could stop your O.

No1BroncoFan
11-28-2005, 07:02 PM
We were the only team that could stop your O.
Except when it really mattered. 14-10 ring a bell?

Ben

Bob's your Information Minister
11-28-2005, 07:13 PM
Except when it really mattered. 14-10 ring a bell?

Ben

Holding the SB champs to 14 points is pretty damn good IMO. The offense failed the test, as was the usual with Marty's Chiefs.

24champ
11-28-2005, 07:23 PM
Funny watching boob validate his team to the mane LOL

No1BroncoFan
11-28-2005, 07:27 PM
Funny watching boob validate his team to the mane LOL
Even funnier watching him fail! ;D

Ben