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Atlas
11-28-2005, 05:33 AM
The NFL's best? It's the AFC West
It's win or else in football's best division

SoCals link: http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/112805dnspogosselin.2f66d33.html

11:26 PM CST on Sunday, November 27, 2005


KANSAS CITY, Mo. – So competitive is the AFC West that its teams cannot afford to lose. And they don't.

The San Diego Chargers rallied from a 10-point fourth-quarter deficit on the road Sunday to topple Washington in overtime, 23-17.

The Chargers had no choice but to rally. Denver and Kansas City continue to win, so the Chargers must continue to win.

This weekend reinforced the fact that the AFC West is the best division in the NFL.

The Denver Broncos went into Dallas on Thanksgiving and toppled the NFC East-leading Cowboys, 24-21. San Diego made its fourth trip to the East Coast this season and came away with its fourth victory. The Chiefs hosted defending Super Bowl champion New England and routed the Patriots, 26-16.

Denver leads the AFC West with a 9-2 record with Kansas City and San Diego both two games back at 7-4. Denver has won four games in a row to hold onto that lead – but the Chargers also have won four in a row and Kansas City two.

There is no margin for error in the West. There are six playoff spots in the AFC, and four of them go to division winners. That leaves two wild-card spots.

"We know we have to win five of our last six to have a shot at the playoffs in the AFC," Chiefs defensive end Eric Hicks said.

Kansas City has the toughest road home. Starting with the Patriots, the Chiefs close the season with six consecutive games against fellow playoff contenders with winning records. Pivotal division home games remain against Denver on Dec. 4 and San Diego on Dec. 24.

"The pressure is on us," Chiefs coach Dick Vermiel said. "This is our playoff run. But we have the type of players who use that pressure to our advantage. Our guys have bought into using that pressure as motivation. It brings out the best in us."

The Chiefs had lost their three previous meetings to the Patriots but didn't flinch at the sight of the champs Sunday. Trent Green passed for 323 yards, Larry Johnson rushed for 119 yards and the defense roughed up Tom Brady for four interceptions and three sacks.

Green was perfect in the first quarter, completing all six of his passes for 104 yards as the Chiefs built a 10-0 lead. Kansas City sprinted to a 26-3 lead late in the third quarter. Green was 19-of-26 with a touchdown and no turnovers to put the Chiefs in control.

"Trent is coming on for us at the right time," Vermeil said.

So are the Chiefs. So is the AFC West.

In October, the NFC East appeared to be the best division in the NFL with the Cowboys, Giants and Redskins all off to fast starts. By November, the NFC South appeared to have emerged as football's best division with the play of the Bucs, Falcons and Panthers.

But now that cold weather has arrived and the NFL is entering its stretch run, the AFC West is again flashing its supremacy.

The NFC East? Not even close. The AFC West holds an 8-5 edge in head-to-head competition with the East this season. Washington would be in the playoff chase itself if it weren't for the AFC West. The Redskins are 0-4 against the West to sit at 5-6.

The Patriots are atop the AFC East with a 6-5 record but can blame the AFC West for the diminishment of their championship luster. Three of those losses have come at the hands of the West, and the Patriots were dominated each time, losing 41-17 to the Chargers, 28-20 to the Broncos and now 26-16 to the Chiefs.

The strength of a division is judged by its weakest team. Oakland is a more formidable fourth team in the AFC West than the hapless Saints are in the NFC South or the injury-riddled Eagles are in the NFC East. The Raiders have a victory over the Cowboys in addition to one over the Redskins.

"You have to show up every week in this division," Green said. "We play each other eight times and there are no off weeks. Any team that comes out of this division has to feel good about its chances."

Garcia Bronco
11-28-2005, 05:34 AM
After 40 years of "Finesse" football...

epa86b@netzero
11-28-2005, 07:30 AM
"You have to show up every week in this division," Green said. "We play each other eight times and there are no off weeks. Any team that comes out of this division has to feel good about its chances."

Green was surely not a math major.

NaptownChief
11-28-2005, 07:33 AM
Green was surely not a math major.



Maybe he was thinking Seattle was still in the division. Probably too many blows to the head.

Beantown Bronco
11-28-2005, 09:08 AM
Maybe he was thinking Seattle was still in the division. Probably too many blows to the head.

Even then, we'd still only play each other twice....not eight times. :)

footstepsfrom#27
11-28-2005, 09:21 AM
"You have to show up every week in this division," Green said. "We play each other eight times and there are no off weeks..."
Guess he hasn't heard theres a BYE WEEK?

Eli_Cash
11-28-2005, 09:47 AM
Washington would be in the playoff chase itself if it weren't for the AFC West. The Redskins are 0-4 against the West to sit at 5-6.


We handle our own business and the West lends a helping hand.

Nice trade Shanny!

NaptownChief
11-28-2005, 09:56 AM
Even then, we'd still only play each other twice....not eight times. :)


It would be eight times of playing division teams.

ROYC75
11-28-2005, 10:02 AM
8 times, he's right. Those mind games at night are murderous, you should try them. LOL

Crushaholic
11-28-2005, 10:09 AM
Year in and year out, the AFC West is always ONE of the toughest divisions in football. Normally, the NFC North is competitive with the Packers and the Vikings doing well. Not this year. The AFC West IS in a class by itself. Fortunately, the Broncos are the best of the best...:Broncos:

The Big E
11-28-2005, 10:11 AM
Shannon Sharpe is predicting two wild-card teams from the AFC West.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9065785

AFC West will have two wild-card teams

Shannon Sharpe By Shannon Sharpe
NFL.com wire reports

(Nov. 27, 2005) -- The AFC rankings are virtually set.

Obviously, Indianapolis is the top team and Denver is a close second and will battle them for home field throughout the playoffs. The Colts have too many weapons on offense and defense, though.

Cincinnati is playing well and will get in, as it should. Carson Palmer is having a great season. Chad Johnson, Rudi Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh also are playing well, as is the defense.

Throw in the AFC East and you get your fourth division winner, the Patriots. They have injury after injury, their running game is shaky at best right now, and they force Tom Brady to throw 50 times a game. That is not exactly what makes up a championship team. The good news for them is the other teams in their division are the Bills, Dolphins and Jets, and they're going nowhere this season.

After that, it gets a bit tricky. Pittsburgh has a tough road ahead. It will play Indianapolis on Monday night, then Cincinnati at home, Chicago at home and at Minnesota before finishing it out against Cleveland and Detroit. Those next four games obviously are going to be tough, to say the least. Ben Roethlisberger has missed four games this season, and the Steelers are not the same team without him. If I had to guess, I would say they aren't going to make the playoffs.

So who does that leave? Kansas City and San Diego.

As long as LaDainian Tomlinson keeps dazzling defenses, the Chargers should return to the playoffs.
As long as LaDainian Tomlinson keeps dazzling defenses, the Chargers should return to the playoffs.
As we all know by now, the Chargers started off the season 0-2, then 2-3. Now they sit at 7-4 and have the key ingredients for a top-quality team: a strong running game and a good defense. We don't even need to talk about how great LaDainian Tomlinson is. The guy simply is unbelievable and can go the distance at any moment, as evidenced by his game-winning run against the Redskins.

On the other side of the ball, San Diego can stop the run. I would feel a little more secure in the Chargers if they had a better pass defense. Their only two losses since September came by two points to Pittsburgh and three points to Philadelphia.

Kansas City's defense is not as good as San Diego's, but the Chiefs can score. With Trent Green putting the ball up and Larry Johnson running with it, they will be OK.

Jacksonville is in the mix as well, but I just think San Diego and Kansas City are better teams.

So the way I see the AFC shaking out is: Indy, Denver, Cincinnati, New England, San Diego and Kansas City.
NFC interesting and fun to watch

Chicago is the best team. I know a lot of people don't want to say that because the Bears offense is led by a rookie quarterback and doesn't put up a lot of points. However, that defense can flat out play.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As long as your quarterback doesn't mess things up, the defense can win it for you. My Super Bowl ring from the 2000 season with Baltimore is proof of that. Trent Dilfer doesn't get enough credit, but we didn't need him to light up the scoreboard.

Every game is a battle of field position and the Bears defense, like ours in 2000, is the key. They have given up only four touchdowns in 88 possessions. That's pretty hard to fathom, isn't it?

Kyle Orton's numbers have been paltry, but he hasn't done anything to lose any games lately.
Kyle Orton's numbers have been paltry, but he hasn't done anything to lose any games lately.
Show me a front four better than Adewale Ogunleye, Tommie Harris, Ian Scott and Alex Brown and I'll show you a Pro Bowl team. There is no better lineman in the game right now than Alex Brown. He is playing tremendous football.

The rest of the conference isn't as confusing as it seems. The reality is that there are only five real wild-card possibilities. There will be Dallas or the Giants -- whichever doesn't win the East. And in the South, there's Carolina, Tampa and Atlanta -- two of those three will get in.

The problem with the South is that in the last five weeks of the season, the teams will play each other four times.

Atlanta will face Carolina twice, New Orleans and Tampa Bay -- plus Chicago.

Tampa Bay will play New Orleans twice, Carolina and Atlanta -- plus New England.

Carolina will go up against Atlanta twice, Tampa Bay and New Orleans -- plus Dallas.

And here's the kicker: Michael Vick is 5-0 against Carolina. But Atlanta can't beat Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers can't beat the Panthers. And Carolina can't beat Atlanta.

This should be a prAetty fun round-robin tournament.

bronco militia
11-28-2005, 10:19 AM
nice article, but this was lame


The strength of a division is judged by its weakest team. Oakland is a more formidable fourth team in the AFC West than the hapless Saints are in the NFC South or the injury-riddled Eagles are in the NFC East. The Raiders have a victory over the Cowboys in addition to one over the Redskins.

who the **** cares

ludo21
11-28-2005, 10:23 AM
The AFC W is very tough and to be on top of the division feels pretty good.

I dont think the Chiefs or Chargers make the playoffs. Sharpe is wrong.

NYBronc
11-28-2005, 10:24 AM
There's only six division games.

Sep 11 N.Y. Jets Won 27-7
Sep 18 @Oakland Won 23-17
Sep 26 @Denver Lost 10-30
Oct 2 Philadelphia Lost 31-37
Week 5 BYE
Oct 16 Washington Won 28-21
Oct 21 @Miami Won 30-20
Oct 30 @San Diego Lost 20-28
Nov 6 Oakland Won 27-23
Nov 13 @Buffalo Lost 3-14
Nov 20 @Houston Won 45-17
Nov 27 New England Won 26-16
Dec 4 Denver 4:15pm
Dec 11 @Dallas 4:15pm
Dec 17 @N.Y. Giants 5:00pm
Dec 24 San Diego 1:00pm
Jan 1 Cincinnati 1:00pm

Cito Pelon
11-28-2005, 11:18 AM
The table is almost set for a Bronco/Colts AFC Championship game. I'm pretty sure both teams are mentally tough enough to make that happen. Heading for a showdown.

Rascal
11-28-2005, 11:36 AM
How many .500+ teams have the chiefs defeated?

I think the chargers are legit, but I'm not sold on the chiefs.

I think the Chargers get in and the Steelers to go along with Colts, Cincy, Pats, and us.

Mile High Shack
11-28-2005, 11:40 AM
How many .500+ teams have the chiefs defeated?

I think the chargers are legit, but I'm not sold on the chiefs.

I think the Chargers get in and the Steelers to go along with Colts, Cincy, Pats, and us.

I'm with you there

chiefies have beaten 1 team with a winning record, and they only have a winning record b/c of the division they are in (pats)

Chargers scare me a lot more than the chiefies

Bronx33
11-28-2005, 11:41 AM
How many .500+ teams have the chiefs defeated?

I think the chargers are legit, but I'm not sold on the chiefs.

I think the Chargers get in and the Steelers to go along with Colts, Cincy, Pats, and us.

I would say the chargers, denver and philly were the only tough games/teams the chefs played and they lost them all.

eddie mac
11-28-2005, 01:39 PM
The AFC W is very tough and to be on top of the division feels pretty good.

I dont think the Chiefs or Chargers make the playoffs. Sharpe is wrong.

Totally agree bro. This is how I see it panning out.

N England 11-5

Pittsburgh 11-5 DC tiebreaker beating Cincy twice
Cincinatti 11-5 WC

Indianapolis 15-1 they'll lose in Seattle
Jacksonville 12-4 WC their schedule down the road is the easiest in the NFL

Denver 13-3 we'll play second stringers in San Diego cos we cant get the 1st seed.

San Diego 10-6 losses to KC and Indy
Kansas City 10-6 losses to Denver and Dallas

Atlas
11-28-2005, 03:14 PM
I would say the chargers, denver and philly were the only tough games/teams the chefs played and they lost them all.

Denver destroyed the Eagles