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Jens1893
11-17-2005, 11:22 AM
Found this somewhere else and it was written by a Miami fan, so first person is Miami.

Agree with most of that, although I have LSU winning the SEC. Ohio State needs Michigan State to upset Penn State to win the Big Ten.

Notre Dame is guaranteed a BCS bid with 9 wins.


ACC Champ - Miami
Big East Champ - West Virginia
Big Ten Champ - Penn State
Big Twelve Champ - Texas
Pac-10 Champ - USC
SEC Champ - Alabama
At-large: ND
At-large: OSU* or LSU

Here is how the bowls work....

Rose: Pac 10 vs. Big 10
Fiesta: Big 12 vs. Other
Sugar: SEC vs. Other
Orange: ACC OR Big East vs. Other

This year the Rose has 1 vs. 2, so the Pac 10 and Big 10 teams are released into the pool of teams to choose from for the other BCS bowls. Here is how the selection process works:

First, the Rose gets 1 vs. 2, which is USC vs. Texas. So that leaves:

ACC Champ - Miami
Big East Champ - West Virginia
Big Ten Champ - Penn State
SEC Champ - Alabama
At-large: ND
At-large: OSU* or LSU

Next, bowls who lose their teams to the National Championship game get to choose. They CANNOT choose a host school from another bowl. The Rose would normally get to choose first, since the number one team comes from their bowl, but they are hosting the championship this year. So the Fiesta gets the next choice for losing Texas, and they take ND. Which means we have the following teams left:


ACC Champ - Miami
Big East Champ - West Virginia
Big Ten Champ - Penn State
SEC Champ - Alabama
At-large: OSU* or LSU

Next, the Sugar automatically gets the SEC Champion, which is 'Bama, and that leaves:

ACC Champ - Miami
Big East Champ - West Virginia
Big Ten Champ - Penn State
At-large: OSU* or LSU

Next, the Orange can pick EITHER the ACC Champ or the Big East champ, they will take the ACC Champ, which is Miami. That leaves:

Big East Champ - West Virginia
Big Ten Champ - Penn State
At-large: OSU* or LSU

Next is the confusing part. Each remaining bowl must list out 3 teams that they want. This list must include all eligible teams. They number the teams that they want 1 to 3. And then if there are no discrepancies, everyone gets their first choice. If there is a tie, the order is decided as follows this year (there is a complicated process to determining this order, but the official BCS website says this is the order):

Orange
Fiesta
Sugar

So, the Orange might take OSU* to pair them with us, or they might take LSU or Penn State, all 3 are attractive. Either way, they will get their first choice. If the Fiesta chooses the same team as the Orange, then they will get their second choice. In any list, however, the Big East team will be the third choice, which is what the Sugar is getting. So, let's say the Orange pairs us with OSU* (which would be my guess). That leaves:

Big East Champ - West Virginia
Big Ten Champ - Penn State

I think the Fiesta would actually prefer Penn State and list them as their first choice anyway, but that is who they are getting. Leaving:

Big East Champ - West Virginia

So the Sugar gets the Big East champ (which is a given at this point, BTW).

So it will break down like this:

Rose: USC vs. Texas
Fiesta: ND vs. Penn State/OSU*/LSU
Orange: Miami vs. OSU*/Penn State/LSU
Sugar: Alabama vs. West Virginia

But, you will probably see Penn State in the Fiesta and OSU* in the Orange, because I think both bowls prefer it that way. In any event, we will not play Alabama. There is so much erroneous information posted about BCS matchups on this message board, talking about potential matchups that are impossible. I hope everyone reads this so they know that we cannot play a lot of teams that people keep thinking we might play. In fact, outside of making the Rose Bowl, those 3 teams listed above are pretty much the ONLY possibility. Maybe another at-large team, but not ND since they will be snatched up immediately.
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-17-2005, 11:34 AM
I for one love the bowl season and all of the match ups. I am not one to say there are too many meaningless bowls. They create more interest in college ball. Usually many of the "lesser bowls" provide the most entertaining games as the coaches are under less pressure to win and can experiment with plays/personnel they want to try out for the following year. They also tend to use less conservative game plans.
Garcia Bronco
11-17-2005, 11:36 AM
I think you'll see the Hokes get an at-large bid provided they win-out.
Jens1893
11-17-2005, 11:49 AM
I for one love the bowl season and all of the match ups. I am not one to say there are too many meaningless bowls. They create more interest in college ball. Usually many of the "lesser bowls" provide the most entertaining games as the coaches are under less pressure to win and can experiment with plays/personnel they want to try out for the following year. They also tend to use less conservative game plans.

Well, I havenīt had the chance to follow college ball for a while due to lack of coverage in these parts, but Iīm really looking forward to the bowls as there will be some pretty interesting inter-conference games.

Garcia

Everything will be clearer after this weekend and the two Big Ten games. Somehow I think itīs unfair that teams get penalized for losing games later in the season. LSU lost to a horrible Tennessee team at home that isnīt even .500 and yet they get ranked higher than VTech, who lost to a pretty good Miami squad. If VTech gets an at-large Iīd like to see them v West Virginia and hope the Big East gets stripped of its automatic BCS bid for its champion next year.
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-17-2005, 12:47 PM
Well, I havenīt had the chance to follow college ball for a while due to lack of coverage in these parts, but Iīm really looking forward to the bowls as there will be some pretty interesting inter-conference games.

Garcia

Everything will be clearer after this weekend and the two Big Ten games. Somehow I think itīs unfair that teams get penalized for losing games later in the season. LSU lost to a horrible Tennessee team at home that isnīt even .500 and yet they get ranked higher than VTech, who lost to a pretty good Miami squad. If VTech gets an at-large Iīd like to see them v West Virginia and hope the Big East gets stripped of its automatic BCS bid for its champion next year.

I saw WVA play once early in the season against Syracuse and they were flat pathetic. Unless they have improved dramatically playing VT would be a mismatch.
Jens1893
11-17-2005, 01:12 PM
I saw WVA play once early in the season against Syracuse and they were flat pathetic. Unless they have improved dramatically playing VT would be a mismatch.

Wouldnīt it be a mismatch against any other BCS Bowl team?

They net to get rid of the Big Eastīs automatic BCS Bowl bid now that BC, VT and Miami are in the ACC.
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-17-2005, 03:27 PM
Wouldnīt it be a mismatch against any other BCS Bowl team?

They net to get rid of the Big Eastīs automatic BCS Bowl bid now that BC, VT and Miami are in the ACC.

The way they played in that game, it would be a mismatch if they were to play Western State College.
Garcia Bronco
11-18-2005, 05:30 AM
We've already beat WVA in their house...I would prefer to play a different team personally....when you start talking At-Large bids...you're talking about which fan base will most likey generate the most dollars. That might kill LSU. OSU diffenately fits that mold...their fan base travels pretty good I would imagine. Hokies travel well....

Here's the kicker...ND....I don't think they get an automatic at-large bid given their standings....I could be wrong...but I think they get the Big East's bid and stand as the Big East Champ...it used to be that way at any rate...but that might have changed. Right now...GO YELLOW JACKETS=GO HOKIES!
Jens1893
11-18-2005, 06:47 AM
wikipedia

There are 2 "at-large" berths which can be granted either to teams in those conferences who did not win their championship or to teams belonging to other conferences. The procedure for selecting at-large berths is, in this order:

* A team finishing first or second in the final BCS rankings as an at-large receives an automatic bid
* A team finishing in the top six of the final BCS rankings from an independent school or from a non-BCS conference receives an automatic bid; if a team qualifies in this manner, then Notre Dame would also qualify by winning at least 9 games or finishing in the top 10 in the BCS standings
* A team finishing either third or fourth in the final BCS rankings and finishes higher than any other at-large team receives an automatic bid

If at any step, the 2 berths are filled, the process stops. If there are not 2 teams by this point, any other team from the top 12 of the final BCS rankings with at least 9 wins is eligible.

Despite the possibility of an "at-large" berth being granted to a mid-major team, this did not happen until the 2004-05 season, when Utah received a BCS bowl bid (the Fiesta Bowl, in which the Utes convincingly defeated Pittsburgh 35-7).