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Bronco_Beerslug
11-17-2005, 07:41 AM
Got to be careful that those Bar-B-Cues don't get out of hand.

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LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- The FBI is opening an internal investigation into the fight between Chicago Bears offensive linemen Olin Kreutz and Fred Miller at its shooting range in the Chicago area, Special Agent Richard Kolko said Wednesday.

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Kreutz (pictured) and Miller say they have put the incident at the shooting range behind them.

Miller, who initially said the injury occurred in a fall at home, needed surgery after Kreutz broke his jaw in the altercation last week.

An FBI official said several Bears were invited to take target practice. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the internal investigation, said it is common for FBI field offices to invite community groups to shooting ranges.

The official said the fight took place after the shooting session, during a barbecue for FBI employees and the players. He confirmed that alcohol was consumed during the barbecue, but insisted there was no drinking during the target practice.

Reports of an altercation surfaced after last Sunday's 17-9 victory over San Francisco, and details have continued to leak.

The Chicago Sun-Times, citing sources, reported roughhousing between Miller and Kreutz escalated to a full-blown altercation. As he was being escorted out the door, Miller turned around and went toward Kreutz, the newspaper reported. Kreutz then hit him in the face and Miller responded by striking Kreutz in the head with a five-pound weight, opening a cut that required 13 stitches.

Coach Lovie Smith told reporters on Monday he was not aware of the incident until last weekend. He also said then that neither player would be suspended, but intimated they would be fined.

Both players' agents said Wednesday night neither the Bears nor the NFL had taken disciplinary action.

"If we get a fine from the league, we'll work it out with the league," said Harold Lewis, who represents Miller. "If we get a fine from the Bears, we'll work it out with the Bears."

Kreutz's agent, Mark Bartelstein, said, "Once they have all the facts, we'll have a decision to make."

And Smith said, "We'll handle it within, and that's really all I'm going to [say] about it. Teamwise, we're looking at Carolina right now."

Smith said the Bears "have had a great relationship" with the FBI and added: "Those circumstances that happened didn't have much to do with them. The guys that were involved in it, they're paying a price right now."

General manager Jerry Angelo was not available for comment.

"I think you guys care about this more than we do," Miller said to reporters.

After practicing for the first time since the incident, Miller put the odds of playing this Sunday against the Carolina Panthers at 50-50.

"I just had to watch what I was doing, make sure I didn't get in too much contact and get an elbow or something like that," he said.

The broken jaw knocked Miller, one of the key offseason acquisitions, out of the 49ers game and ended a run of 110 straight starts dating back to 1998.

Although he said he's "feeling pretty good," Miller had some difficulty talking, and his bottom lip was black and blue. He said he won't be able to eat solid food for another week and has lost 15 pounds. For now, his diet consists of soup and energy drinks.
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Mile High Shack
11-17-2005, 07:44 AM
why would the FBI get involved in this?

Bronco_Beerslug
11-17-2005, 07:50 AM
why would the FBI get involved in this?
They bought the booze?

Billy Clyde Puckett
11-17-2005, 07:53 AM
Why is the FBI wasting my money buying alcohol and ammo for football players is my question. If they want to buddy up with players, maybe ride alongs, tours, etc., but for the most part it should be on their personal dime.

Mile High Shack
11-17-2005, 07:53 AM
They bought the booze?

either that or the Bears organization is secret agent training ground ala Chuck Barris and they blew their cover

watermock
11-17-2005, 08:07 AM
That's screwed up on several levels.

"Let's let two loose cannon Bears cap off some rounds before cocktails...hey...J. Edgar Taxpayer is paying for it..." "Ha Ha Ha Ha..."

Those clowns are under such little supervision it's incredible...Who is supposed to keep these BrownShirts in check? The CIA? Ha! They don't have to account for anything...sounds like a bunch of idiots to me. Whacked with a 5 pound weight...man, that could kill you...or break your jaw...no wait...that allready happened...

The guy is actually lucky he got hit in the jaw instead of ducking because he probably would of gotten a skull fracture...I don't want some clown swinging a 5 pound weight around my cranium...sheesh...obviously, the FBI tried to cover this up and their cover was blown, and for good reason.

BroncoBuff
11-17-2005, 08:07 AM
why would the FBI get involved in this?
Good question - they have limited jurisdiction.

It sounds like the fight happened at an FBI shooting range.

Mile High Shack
11-17-2005, 08:08 AM
Good question - they have limited jurisdiction.

It sounds like the fight happened at an FBI shooting range.

well I understand that

but damn

it's just a fight between two people who probably don't like each other

not sure why an "investigation" would be necessary, unless they need to explain why they let the Chicago Bears on their shooting range to begin with

broncosteven
11-17-2005, 08:09 AM
& beacuse they are acutally winning the local media is down playing this. I don't read any bear boards but I do listen to the 2 sports radio shows & while they do take jabs at these guys Bear fans are not out raged that they are losing a starter to an off field fight.

Lovie sure is a strange duck. I thought Juron was a quiet guy & did not coach much from sidelines but Lovie is even worse.

Funny that this is our Tax dollars in Action! How come I never get invited to go to the FBI range!

Bronx33
11-17-2005, 08:45 AM
Football players and booze + firearms = really really really tough and rarely mix well, too funny!

watermock
11-17-2005, 09:08 AM
Who was that NBA player who "accidentally" capped his Limo driver? Williams? Naturally he was aquitted I think...this is bizzare but could of been even more rediculous...I keep seeing Vinnie "accidentally" splattering that kids brains onto the sundeck of a 72 Nova.

IlliterateGeeneus
11-17-2005, 09:12 AM
Do you really think that Lovie would brush off suspension so fast if the Bears were last in the division as opposed to first?

I think any off field violence deserves at least a week on the couch.

watermock
11-17-2005, 09:22 AM
Do you really think that Lovie would brush off suspension so fast if the Bears were last in the division as opposed to first?

I think any off field violence deserves at least a week on the couch.

Probably...Lovie doesn't strike me as a man with much control over that team. I honestly don't know much about the guy. I certainly think breaking a teammates jaw and tooth with a 5 pound weight deserves more than a token fine. He could of killed him if he it the temple instead of the jaw. How surprising the FBI kept it hidden till it was leaked. Those clowns are so incredibly unaccountable. So you have an overseer of the overseers? Pretty soon you have a complete Police State...God I hate those arrogant bastards.

Broncos Rule
11-17-2005, 09:37 AM
The proper jurisdiction for this "investigation" would be the county sheriff's office.. unless the altercation involves a federal offense or interstate commerce.

But feds get what they want.

Whatever. Good point about Da Bears standings influencing the team's response.

-Slap-
11-17-2005, 09:48 AM
Probably...Lovie doesn't strike me as a man with much control over that team. I honestly don't know much about the guy. I certainly think breaking a teammates jaw and tooth with a 5 pound weight deserves more than a token fine. He could of killed him if he it the temple instead of the jaw. How surprising the FBI kept it hidden till it was leaked. Those clowns are so incredibly unaccountable. So you have an overseer of the overseers? Pretty soon you have a complete Police State...God I hate those arrogant bastards.
Kreutz broke Miller's jaw with a punch and then Miller threw the weight at Kreutz' head.

NFC defensive tackles and inside linebackers could have told Fred Miller that Olin Kreutz is nobody you want to mess around with. I'll bet Fred will be looking for a new team next year.

-Slap-
11-17-2005, 09:51 AM
Fights happen in every single NFL lockerroom, every single year. The only time anyone hears about them is when someone gets an injury that they can't hide.

broncosteven
11-17-2005, 10:00 AM
Fights happen in every single NFL lockerroom, every single year. The only time anyone hears about them is when someone gets an injury that they can't hide.


& Griese really fell down in TD's driveway!

maven
11-17-2005, 10:16 AM
This is why I hate paying taxes.

Rascal
11-17-2005, 10:50 AM
Bush's fault.

Billy Clyde Puckett
11-17-2005, 11:11 AM
Bush's fault.

Quiet - you'll attract LABF

Mile High Shack
11-17-2005, 11:11 AM
& Griese really fell down in TD's driveway!

beat me to it

or when Pryce knocks Griese in the.......errrr when Bella tripped SOB and he fell down

Merlin
11-17-2005, 12:40 PM
The article states that it is an internal investigation. Usually that refers to investigating the security unit itself, in this case the FBI. That is, they may be referring to an investigation of the FBI and this altercation, to determine if there was any wrong doing by an FBI personnel (e.g. allowing them to drink alcohol in the premises).