WA Post: Oil execs lied to Congress last week about secret Cheney meetings

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Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force

By Dana Milbank and Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 16, 2005; Page A01

A White House document shows that executives from big oil companies met with Vice President Cheney's energy task force in 2001 -- something long suspected by environmentalists but denied as recently as last week by industry officials testifying before Congress.

The document, obtained this week by The Washington Post, shows that officials from Exxon Mobil Corp., Conoco (before its merger with Phillips), Shell Oil Co. and BP America Inc. met in the White House complex with the Cheney aides who were developing a national energy policy, parts of which became law and parts of which are still being debated.

In a joint hearing last week of the Senate Energy and Commerce committees, the chief executives of Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp. and ConocoPhillips said their firms did not participate in the 2001 task force. The president of Shell Oil said his company did not participate "to my knowledge," and the chief of BP America Inc. said he did not know.

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No wonder the GOP oil puppet who chaired the meeting was so adamantly opposed to putting these execs under oath.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No wonder the GOP oil puppet who chaired the meeting was so adamantly opposed to putting these execs under oath.

Liars Row..............................


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Testifying at a Senate hearing last week were, from left, Lee R. Raymond of Exxon Mobil, David J. O'Reilly of Chevron, James J. Mulva of ConocoPhillips, Ross Pillari of BP America and John Hofmeister of Shell Oil.

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Liars Row..............................


http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/11/15/PH2005111501845.jpg
Testifying at a Senate hearing last week were, from left, Lee R. Raymond of Exxon Mobil, David J. O'Reilly of Chevron, James J. Mulva of ConocoPhillips, Ross Pillari of BP America and John Hofmeister of Shell Oil.

I gotta agree with you there

if their salaries weren't outrageous I might believe that they are putting just as much money back into R&D as they are making

[RaiderH8r]

I gotta agree with you there

if their salaries weren't outrageous I might believe that they are putting just as much money back into R&D as they are making
CEO Exxon Lee Raymond's salary was discussed at that hearing and shown to be around $60 million/yr. after bonuses and salary. Yahoo CEO $230 million. I wonder what NFL owners make as an annual salary. What's Pat Bowlen's income? Is that outrageous?

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CEO Exxon Lee Raymond's salary was discussed at that hearing and shown to be around $60 million/yr. after bonuses and salary. Yahoo CEO $230 million. I wonder what NFL owners make as an annual salary. What's Pat Bowlen's income? Is that outrageous?

touche

that's a good point, I'll conceed that

[RaiderH8r]

touche

that's a good point, I'll conceed that
However, for those execs to lie like that was just stupid. Plain stupidity. The answer to the question is, "Yes. Yes we met with him. That's our job. We meet with members on both sides of the aisle. We meet with anybody who wants our input on matters that effect our industry. Sen. Reid, Sen. Boxer, Sen. Feinstein, Rep. Markey, Rep. Frank, we'll meet with any of them. We will testify before Congress. We will advocate for our position with fervor and determination just as those who advocate for other issues are free to do. So yes, we met with him."

Turns the story into a one news cycle event at most. Opposition will reference the meeting repeatedly but your position is one of honesty and being forthright so the general population are more likely to believe you in the future. Now they've gone and bent themselves over the barrel. Even if nothing duplicitous occurred in the meeting they've taken a one day news story and turned it into a multi month news story. Hell, Michael Moore may even do a mockumentary on the subject. Put down the shovel boys and grab the rope, get out of the hole. I'll defend their profits, salaries, right to do business, etc. But this is stupidity and there's no defending that.

These fvckers need me on their payroll to slap them when this stupid sh!t is proposed in the first place.

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I wonder if they got a ''special'' card that when they use it at the gas pump if they get it for like $.50/gal..... :)

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No **** they lied. Bastards

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CEO Exxon Lee Raymond's salary was discussed at that hearing and shown to be around $60 million/yr. after bonuses and salary. Yahoo CEO $230 million. I wonder what NFL owners make as an annual salary. What's Pat Bowlen's income? Is that outrageous?

Yes!

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However, for those execs to lie like that was just stupid. Plain stupidity. The answer to the question is, "Yes. Yes we met with him. That's our job. We meet with members on both sides of the aisle. We meet with anybody who wants our input on matters that effect our industry. Sen. Reid, Sen. Boxer, Sen. Feinstein, Rep. Markey, Rep. Frank, we'll meet with any of them. We will testify before Congress. We will advocate for our position with fervor and determination just as those who advocate for other issues are free to do. So yes, we met with him."

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Talk about spin.

These companies didn't simply give Cheney their "input" or "advocate" for their industry (an industry in which both Cheney and Bush are/were players.)

These oil and energy companies essentially wrote their own legislation and purchased their own policy from a WH that is always for sale to the highest bidder. Bush and Cheney are their men on the inside.

Anybody remember when Dim Son announced that Big Polluters should be allowed to police themselves?

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Bushenomics

It is truly time to change the way we speak about this administration's economic policies. The old words -- conservative, liberal, Keynesian, stimulus, supply side, job creation, deficits, deficit reduction and so on -- just swirl around and help them hide the truth in the fog.

Bushenomics is something different. It is also very simple.

Bushenomics is the use of the government to take regular people's money and give it to rich people and corporations.

The genius of Bushenomics has been selling it to the voters as something that's good for them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-beinhart/bushenomics_b_10643.html

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CEO Exxon Lee Raymond's salary was discussed at that hearing and shown to be around $60 million/yr. after bonuses and salary. Yahoo CEO $230 million. I wonder what NFL owners make as an annual salary. What's Pat Bowlen's income? Is that outrageous?
counter point ... we can use somthing besides Yahoo , we have to use Gas and oil .......
Pat Bowlen may make more , but we dont have to buy tickets ... again another Item we can miss , we cant miss oil and gas .........
So while you did have a point , it was a miss cause oil and Gas are things we cant do without ( Heating houses transport etc.....) yet ..... Now if there was another form of energy we could use , then your point would be on more solid ground .........

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counter point ... we can use somthing besides Yahoo , we have to use Gas and oil .......
Pat Bowlen may make more , but we dont have to buy tickets ... again another Item we can miss , we cant miss oil and gas .........
So while you did have a point , it was a miss cause oil and Gas are things we cant do without ( Heating houses transport etc.....) yet ..... Now if there was another form of energy we could use , then your point would be on more solid ground .........

Rep! :thumbsup:

His argument reminds me of another member of the OM conservative brain trust who tried to argue that the price of a gallon of gas was now comparable to the price of a gallon of milk and was, therefore, nothing to complain about.

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counter point ... we can use somthing besides Yahoo , we have to use Gas and oil .......
Pat Bowlen may make more , but we dont have to buy tickets ... again another Item we can miss , we cant miss oil and gas .........
So while you did have a point , it was a miss cause oil and Gas are things we cant do without ( Heating houses transport etc.....) yet ..... Now if there was another form of energy we could use , then your point would be on more solid ground .........
While people may need oil and gas they can certainly find ways to lower their usage. Greenpeace, Earth Justice, the Department of Energy, and many more have numerous suggestions as to how people can conserve energy and lower their usage of these fuels. That's the choice they have. Again, this is exactly what Greenpeace, Earth Justice, Friends of the Wild (insert whatever wilderness area is closest to you that applies here), et al have campaigned for. I guess no one listened then and no one wants to listen to them now. People just want gimme gimme gimme gas on the cheap. And prices have been coming down since early Sep., this industry is cyclical and reflects a multitude of factors. Short term punitive tax policy will adversely effect long term pricing and effectively lock us into higher oil and natural gas prices.