Chargers still think they can win the west [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Meck77

11-15-2005, 09:24 AM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20051115-9999-1s15chargers.html

Do you? Here is a look at the Chargers remaining schedule. http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule/SD

Broncos http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule/DEN

For conversation sake here is the Chiefs schedule. http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule/KC

Chargers think AFC West still attainable

By Kevin Acee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
November 15, 2005

A week off provided the Chargers with a chance to assess what has been and what remains. They returned to work yesterday like so many folks just back from vacation, gung-ho about the work that awaits them.

"The four games we lost, it was all on us," cornerback Quentin Jammer said. "Nobody came in and beat us. We beat ourselves. If we come out and play like we know we can play, we can win. If we make the mental errors we made in those four losses, we probably won't win out. But I think we've got ourselves in a situation where we know we can win these seven ballgames."

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Jammer and everyone else was sure to say yesterday they are focused only on Buffalo this Sunday. But they also know what the ultimate goal is.

"We've just got to win all our games," fullback Lorenzo Neal said. "That will get us in the playoffs."

Winners of their past two games, the Chargers are 5-4. Winning out would make them 12-4 and mean they beat the Denver Broncos in the season finale, which might very well mean they would win the AFC West.

And, fact is, winning the West is what the Chargers need to do to take away any postseason suspense.

"The key is to try to get the AFC West championship," linebacker Donnie Edwards said. "It's in our hands. We've got to go be able to take care of business."

Denver leads the Chargers by two games. While the Broncos in no way appear to be slowing down, there are perils ahead, with games at Dallas and Kansas City.

"I don't want to get to the point where we're watching everything they do and chase them," LaDainian Tomlinson cautioned. "You've got to continue to focus on yourself. You don't want to worry about them. We'll see how it plays out. You never know. They still have some tough games left just like we do."

Sure, at this point, it is all what-ifs.

"It's a long season," quarterback Drew Brees said. "A lot of things can happen."

Look no further than the Chargers of 2002, who started 7-3 and finished 8-8.

But as the Chargers' schedule appears to give a bit, allowing reason to believe that 10 victories are not only possible but perhaps probable, now is a good time to assess what it might take for the Chargers to make the playoffs.

The optimist can see a 10-6 record being good enough for a postseason berth. And since 1992, only one 10-6 team (the 2003 Miami Dolphins) has not made the playoffs.

But a look at the rest of the AFC reveals that Cincinnati (7-2) and Jacksonville (6-3) have a head start in the race for the conference's two wild-card spots.

The Bengals have a two-game lead on the Chargers. Jacksonville has a one-game edge. Both have kind schedules.

The Jaguars play three road games in a row beginning Sunday, but all against bad teams (at Tennessee, Arizona and Cleveland), and then return home to face undefeated Indianapolis. And three potential pitfalls can be seen on Cincinnati's schedule – Indianapolis on Sunday and road games Dec. 4 at Pittsburgh and Jan. 1 at Kansas City.

The other possible wild-card team is current AFC North leader Pittsburgh (7-2). The Steelers are the favorites to win their division because they beat Cincinnati last month and host the Bengals next month. And their final four games are against Chicago, Minnesota, Cleveland and Detroit.

The Chargers would prefer not to think of such things.

"You want to win the division," Brees said. "It's really step one. . . . When you're a wild card, you're second place in your division. You don't strive to be second place. You strive to win your division. If you just think about that you don't have too many things to think about. You have one focus: Win your division."

bloodsunday

11-15-2005, 09:31 AM

Smiling Assassin27

11-15-2005, 09:33 AM

Can they? Sure they can. Will they? I don't think so. This team is permanently damaged from the Jets debacle last year. They grab their throats in close games now. The division will be wrapped up by the time we get to SD.

NaptownChief

11-15-2005, 09:37 AM

bloodsunday

11-15-2005, 09:41 AM

Why wouldn't they think that..They still have the Donks at home so if they win that they only need to make up 1 other game with 7 left to play. Good lord this is the NFL, we see bigger flip flops than that every year with a half of a season to go. Donks are currently playing very good football but hell that can change on a dime in this league. The Don Shula led Dolphins on a couple of occasions were the toast of the NFL at the midseason point only to collapse so hard and fast in the second half to completely miss the playoffs. Then factor in the always present possibility of an injury jinx running amuck and the next thing you know the Donks could be like the Jets and scrounging around looking for a street FA just to stick under center. It is a silly game this NFL.
You are right that the NFL is unpredictable. However, assuming that nothing drastic happens (like an injury to a key player) it will be very tough to make up 2 games with the schedules shaping up the way they are. It's not impossible, it just doesn't appear likely. You never want to be in a position where you have to hope someone else loses, especially twice.

bendog

11-15-2005, 09:42 AM

come on, naptown, you had to notice the shotty factor during all those years.

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 09:44 AM

Why wouldn't they think that..They still have the Donks at home so if they win that they only need to make up 1 other game with 7 left to play. Good lord this is the NFL, we see bigger flip flops than that every year with a half of a season to go. Donks are currently playing very good football but hell that can change on a dime in this league. The Don Shula led Dolphins on a couple of occasions were the toast of the NFL at the midseason point only to collapse so hard and fast in the second half to completely miss the playoffs. Then factor in the always present possibility of an injury jinx running amuck and the next thing you know the Donks could be like the Jets and scrounging around looking for a street FA just to stick under center. It is a silly game this NFL.

Exactly. If Denver fails in one game, it's pretty much even if we take care of business at home like we are suppose to.

This is FAR from over.

Meck77

11-15-2005, 09:46 AM

Why wouldn't they think

I wasn't suggesting that they couldn't NAP....relax. I was simply posting an article. Hell anything could still happen with AFC West crown with the exception of the Raiders taking it.

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 09:47 AM

You are right that the NFL is unpredictable. However, assuming that nothing drastic happens (like an injury to a key player) it will be very tough to make up 2 games with the schedules shaping up the way they are. It's not impossible, it just doesn't appear likely. You never want to be in a position where you have to hope someone else loses, especially twice.

One of those losses will be coming courtesy of us. We just need you to lose one other game. Chiefs??

bendog

11-15-2005, 09:50 AM

One of those losses will be coming courtesy of us. We just need you to lose one other game. Chiefs??
you assume you win out. big assumption, esp on the road v Wash and Indy. In fact, I think it's a given Indy will beat you guys, unless they sit the regulars.

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 09:51 AM

you assume you win out. big assumption No, I'm assuming you lose one more game than we do other than the one against us, which I'm confident we will win at home.

NaptownChief

11-15-2005, 09:51 AM

I wasn't suggesting that they couldn't NAP....relax. I was simply posting an article. Hell anything could still happen with AFC West crown with the exception of the Raiders taking it.

I was just simply responding to the title. If the Chiefs weren't broken down from the Roaf, Holmes injuries the Chiefs would still be comfortably in it since they too have the Donks coming to Arrowhead. However I will admit that unless Denver trades for Jordan Black and puts him at LT the Chiefs are done.

Jetmeck

11-15-2005, 09:52 AM

One of those losses will be coming courtesy of us. We just need you to lose one other game. Chiefs??

Yeah, your boys look like they could run the table, NOT...............

bendog

11-15-2005, 09:55 AM

No, I'm assuming you lose one more game than we do other than the one against us, which I'm confident we will win at home.
So you're assumption is that Den will lose AT least 3, as there's no way you guys win both Wash and Indy.

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 09:55 AM

Yeah, your boys look like they could run the table, NOT...............

We'll see, we have the most brutal part of our schedule behind us. A schedule were we faced 5 teams in a row coming off bye weeks. We will now be well rested and ready for our run.

The only game I see as trouble is the Indy game and unlike your team, we match up well against them. They barely eeked out a win against us last year at full strength.

Mile High Shack

11-15-2005, 09:57 AM

We'll see, we have the most brutal part of our schedule behind us. A schedule were we faced 5 teams in a row coming off bye weeks. We will now be well rested and ready for our run.

The only game I see as trouble is the Indy game and unlike your team, we match up well against them. They barely eeked out a win against us last year at full strength.

you don't see Denver as a tough game eh?

Raidersbane

11-15-2005, 09:58 AM

Yes indeed, the Chargers will win the west........

And now a monkey will jump out of my ass......

NaptownChief

11-15-2005, 09:58 AM

Yeah, your boys look like they could run the table, NOT...............

Their next 4 are pretty darn easy....Buff,Wash, Oak and Mia....After that it gets fairly tough at Indy, at KC(which might be easy by then) then at home with the Donks...

It is certainly possible that before the season finale against the Donks that their only challege could be at Indy which is a stiff one but winnable nonetheless.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-15-2005, 09:59 AM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

Mile High Shack

11-15-2005, 10:01 AM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

we have 7 tough games left

no way we are counting anything

except how many times you make an ass out of yourself

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 10:01 AM

you don't see Denver as a tough game eh?

Sure I do. You guys have a quality team but I still expect us to take care of business at home against you guys just like we did last year when we needed to.

That takes nothing away from you guys. I didn't expect to win in Denver either.

FantomForce

11-15-2005, 10:03 AM

I still think that the NFL is going to be just like the NBA and rigg it so we play Sandy Eggo for the AFC west title on the 31st of Dec. so thier ratings will be way up

bloodsunday

11-15-2005, 10:03 AM

One of those losses will be coming courtesy of us. We just need you to lose one other game. Chiefs??
But you are assuming you win out and frankly you have choked away 4 games already. I do think Denver will lose 2, maybe 3 more games, but I don't think San Diego will go undefeated. You still have to go to Indy, KC and Washington. Ouch. You could lose 2, if not all 3 of those.

NaptownChief

11-15-2005, 10:03 AM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

Not that fans thought process has anything to do with the outcome on the field but from what I have seen the Donk fans are counting their chickens far more than even the Colts fans. The Donks do have a much easier schedule down the stretch than the Colts so maybe they rightfully should.

JCMElway

11-15-2005, 10:04 AM

Predictions the rest of the way

Buffalo -- W
@ Washington -- W
Oakland -- W
Miami -- W
@ Indy -- L
@ KC -- L
Denver -- W

10-6

Denver

NY Jets -- W
@ Dallas -- L
@ KC -- W
Baltimore -- W
@ Buffalo -- W
Oakland -- W
@ SD -- L

12-4

Hotrod

11-15-2005, 10:05 AM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

Funny dont remember anyone asking you.

The chargers are still a very real threat to Denver. The flip side of that is we just need to take care of our own business. If it comes down to a road trip to San Diego in week 17 I feel fully confident we would leave town with a victory and the division.

bloodsunday

11-15-2005, 10:07 AM

Their next 4 are pretty darn easy....Buff,Wash, Oak and Mia....After that it gets fairly tough at Indy, at KC(which might be easy by then) then at home with the Donks...

It is certainly possible that before the season finale against the Donks that their only challege could be at Indy which is a stiff one but winnable nonetheless.
There is easy, and then there is EASY in this league. Washington (on the Road) and Miami are capable of beating San Diego. Those are games they should win, but they are not locks. Buffalo and Oakland I see as givens. Indy is tough and Denver will be tough (assuming that game means something). KC is a wild card. I personally think they are ripe to implode, but if they do not, then that game will tough as well.

Broncomutt

11-15-2005, 10:09 AM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

I don't think it's counting chickens to assume right now we are in the best position to win the west. Not wrapped up, but definitely in the best position.

Unlike 2 years ago when KC was 9-0 and not only were the Chief fans saying Super Bowl, I saw sigs like "Let the Dynasty begin"

OMG!!

watermock

11-15-2005, 10:14 AM

We have a very tough schedule IMO...it's a shame we gave away the Giants game, Elam hits the FG or Foster doesn't get that phantom holding call on a running play, they would of been buried even with a two point conversion. Denver has alot of road games coming up and a short week traveling to Dallas. It's so odd Indy gets that cupcake schedule when they were in the AFC Championship game and we get to travel to Dallas, travel to KC in December in what seems to happen EVERY YEAR, and travel to Buffalo. Late in the year...nice of them to give us road games on typically frigid places in December while sending us to Miami in horrific heat and humidity. Not to mention having to play both SuperBowl compeditors...luckily, both teams have stumbled and were dispacted fairly easily...

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 10:16 AM

There is easy, and then there is EASY in this league. Washington (on the Road) and Miami are capable of beating San Diego. Those are games they should win, but they are not locks. Buffalo and Oakland I see as givens. Indy is tough and Denver will be tough (assuming that game means something). KC is a wild card. I personally think they are ripe to implode, but if they do not, then that game will tough as well.

Seriously, I think you guys are going to see a different team coming out of this bye. Just before the bye, injuries on both offense and defense were starting to catch up to us. The bye couldn't have come at a better time.

You will see a well rested team with most of the starters ready to go. Not only that, the emergence of our two first round draft picks Luis Castillo and Shawne Merriman were just starting to show before the bye and with the addition of a healthy Steve Foley, be prepared to see VERY good defense to add to what is an already very good offense.

I could be wrong but I just see things all happening at the right time.

All this being said, you guys definitely have the advantage in this situation but there's no reason to be overly confident.

Paladin

11-15-2005, 10:16 AM

At this point, I do not see the game at Sandy Eggo as a certain W for the Chuggers. Them little sparkies have a couple of other teams they should also be concerned about. I suspect BL has already bet his house and savings on his stout belief that the chuggers will win the West. Good luck. (Don't come to Denver looking for a handout, and our shelters are already full of mullets who lost their life savings two years ago....)

I am absolutely amazed at the homerism of the trolls that come around here. As I read these threads, I see the Denver people are a bit more realistic in their appraisals of the Broncos, and are cautiously optimistic generally. Whereas the trolls just flat out have their team winning it all, and just "absolutely know" that their team will beat the Broncos.

The reality is that all remaining games can go either way. The chuggers do not have any greater advantage than any other team, and the Browncos have won in Narrowhead before. The only thing for certain is that right now, both the mullets and the chuggers are two games behind Denver in the standings. The mullets seem to be slipping, and the chuggers seem to be hoping for changes.

Any combination of Denver wins and mullet/chugger losses lowers the "magic number" from 5. Next Monday it will most likely be four or lower but I will not bet my wife's house on it....

Paladin

11-15-2005, 10:20 AM

Sure I do. You guys have a quality team but I still expect us to take care of business at home against you guys just like we did last year when we needed to.

Hilarious!

As I recall, it was a Denver mistake that allowed the chuggers to win. The chuggers did not do anything affirmative to stop Denver from winning last year in Sandy Eggo. Be that as it may, you are being a bit too smug on this board, sparky.

Elway 4 Life

11-15-2005, 10:21 AM

The only team I see us losing to down the stretch is San Diego. Dallas will be a tough game but they are overated. Buffaloe has no offense. Everyone else is pretty weak. If we continue to play like we are and get better we are 13-3.

JCMElway

11-15-2005, 10:22 AM

All this being said, you guys definitely have the advantage in this situation but there's no reason to be overly confident.

NO, but there is a reason to be JUST confident. And we are. Also, OUr late season swoons may very well help us out this year. Our performances the past couple of years will be at the forefront of the coaches and players mind.

We will finish strong and avoid our past mistakes!

12-4 for the Broncs. Write it down.

yhova

11-15-2005, 10:24 AM

Just look at it this way

Pats
Broncos
Indy
Pittsburgh

Wildcards: Cincy, Jacksonville

Sorry San Diego, you don't fit into the playoff picture, let alone the division race. See ya next year !

orange 4 life

11-15-2005, 10:28 AM

Denver is at worst a 10 - 6 team considering we have two cream-puff home games left and one that is very, very winnable. I see this team going 11 - 5 personally by winning their remaining home games and then either @DAL or @BUF. It's possible that they get both those games and go 12 - 4.

Nonetheless, my point is that the Chargers (or even the Chiefs) could win the West, but their margin for error is very, very small. They can lose at most one more game and must beat Denver head-to-head. Considering the Chief have had a few let-down games already and San Diego can't close the deal in close games, I'd say it'll be tough for Denver to lose this division.

10-6 would be a total meltdown.
11-5 would be only slightly better.

think about it.
our 3 home games are against baltimore, the raiders, and the jets.
all three should be wins, which gets us to ten wins by itself.

then we have 4 road games.
if we only win one of those 4 im not going to be a happy camper.
splitting would be acceptable, and the 12-4 record that would give us just might be enough to give us the #2 seed and the coveted bye week.

if we could pull off the miracle and win 3 of the 4 road games (a very difficult task combined with winning all 3 at home) we'd pretty much assure ourselves of the #2 seed.
having a bye in the first week and a home game in week 2 is just huge.

we'll still likely have to go to indy, but it'll be in the afc championship, and i'd give us decent odds of pulling it off.

jake

enjolras

11-15-2005, 10:28 AM

Any time you get to the point of your season where your 'plan' is:

1. Win out
2. ????
3. Playoffs!

Then your season is effectively over.

Contrary to what the media says, the Bolts are what they are. A better than average 5-4 team.

Paladin

11-15-2005, 10:30 AM

Some interesting possibilities there, but only possibilities. Right now, nothing is for certain except that Denver leads by two in the West.

orange 4 life

11-15-2005, 10:32 AM

as for san diego, theyre dulusional the way theyre talking.

they should just be stating the obvious and talking typical cliches like "we just need to take it one game at a time."

to say that "no one has beaten (them)" is just as ridiculous as saying theyre ready to win 7 in a row (considering their final three are at indy, at kc, and us at home).

whatever.
let them have hope.

right now we just need to take care of business.
we're all counting sunday as a win, and thats what makes me nervous.
its a trap game if ive ever seen one.
to get to the next level, this team needs to not overlook the jets ans stick it to them like they should.
a game where the score was NEVER in doubt would sure be nice to watch, and it would go a long way towards securing this teams future.

jake

Crushaholic

11-15-2005, 10:33 AM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

Speaking of fowl, how about that turkey you guys pulled off in Buffalo? LOL

bendog

11-15-2005, 10:36 AM

Bob, anything's possible, but according to Brees reasoning either sD beats Wash and Indy on the road, or Den has to lose 3 out of the next 7. It's possible, but breeze's chest beating is .... amusing.

bronco militia

11-15-2005, 11:43 AM

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/drew/111505drew.gif

RedskinBronco

11-15-2005, 12:01 PM

A lot of SD fans are counting the skins game as win for them. I wouldn't go ahead and say that. The Chargers don't match up well with the NFC east style of play. They are a finesse team that doesn't handle physical NFC east football that well. They beat the Giants in SD, but the Giants are the most finesse team in the NFC east.

Anything can happen, but the skins will be tough one for SD. Their schedule is real real tough. The skins are supposed to be one of the "easier" games for SD and believe me, it will not be easy at all for them.

bronco militia

11-15-2005, 12:07 PM

They are a finesse team that doesn't handle physical NFC east football that well. They beat the Giants in SD, but the Giants are the most finesse team in the NFC east.

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uh what?...the Chargers arn't a physical team? Marty has never coached a finesse type team in his life.

redrage

11-15-2005, 12:13 PM

The funniest part about SD's predicament is that they probably could have won their home opener had they had Gates. But their GM decided to play tough guy and deactivate him.

That may cost them the palyoffs, but hey, their GM is one tough SOB.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

terry251973

11-15-2005, 12:14 PM

chargers wont even make playoffs,they very lucky jets didnt beat em because of crappy play calling by edwards,i see at best sd going 10-6 which means all denver gotta do is win 1 rd game and its over cause they got last 3 home games easily over terrible teams,denver more than likely goes 13-3.so by time we go to sd to play tht game be meaningless for sd and denver,sd can start planning xmas dinner.

Raidersbane

11-15-2005, 12:18 PM

Agreed, Chargers will be lucky now to make the playoffs.....

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 12:55 PM

footstepsfrom#27

11-15-2005, 12:59 PM

"The four games we lost, it was all on us," cornerback Quentin Jammer said. "Nobody came in and beat us. We beat ourselves.

Isn't that what players always think?

I see at least two more losses...Indy and Washington...and no playoff spot.

RedskinBronco

11-15-2005, 01:01 PM

This game will be a blow out in our favor. Mark it down buddy.

We'll see. I think you will be surprised.

RedskinBronco

11-15-2005, 01:02 PM

uh what?...the Chargers arn't a physical team? Marty has never coached a finesse type team in his life.

Watch them play. It isn't a typical Marty team. They have more talent than most of Marty's past teams and so they play a finesse type game.

Hotrod

11-15-2005, 01:10 PM

This game will be a blow out in our favor. Mark it down buddy.

LOL you aint blowing out the Redskins no way no how. thwack

SportinOne

11-15-2005, 01:20 PM

This is the NFL.

With that said, let's just take this one game at a time and then we can start looking at scenarios around week 14 or 15 at the earliest.

As of right now, we own the 2 seed in the AFC.

This is ours to lose, and if the Colts slip up, we'll be right there..

But the only game the Broncos should be thinking about is home against the Jets. It should be fun if we take it seriously.

footstepsfrom#27

11-15-2005, 01:29 PM

Unless Denver falls apart by losing one of the three creampuff home games against either the Ravens, Jets or Jokeland, they'll win a minimum of 4 more games, meaning SD would need to finish 6-1 and the loss can't be to Denver. Road games for Denver against KC and Buffalo would normally be considered tougher than they are looking now. Either or both of those games look very winnable for Denver at this point. The Skins on the road look a lot tougher than they did a month ago and Indy is Indy. I can't see SD gong 6-1 and I can't see Denver losing a home game plus 2 of their remaining 4 on the road, which is what would need to happen for the Chargers to catch us. Either one of those things is possible but unless BOTH happen, this team finishes 12-4 and SD has to win out to match that. Even if Denver loses the season finale to SD, and you count that in the projected losses, we still need to lose 3 other games to finish 10-6, so we'd have to finish 3-4 to do that and SD still has to win 5 of 7 even if that happens just to ties Denver for the division with a 10-6 record. If we can't find a way to win 4 of 7 with Buffalo, Baltimore and the Fade at home still on the schedule we shouldn't want to play in the postseason anyway. Barring injuries to key players, Denver should control this race.

Hercules Rockefeller

11-15-2005, 01:40 PM

"The four games we lost, it was all on us," cornerback Quentin Jammer said. "Nobody came in and beat us. We beat ourselves.

Isn't that what players always think?

Quentin must not have paid attention during the first Bronco game. 2 RZ turnovers, a missed FG, and a TD called back that resulted in another missed FG, is not a game you guys lost. You guys got your **** ripped and were lucky Denver couldn't convert. At the least, Denver left 12 points in the field, and with MA's fumble on a play that would have given them 1st and goal I'd go for at least 16 points.

bronco militia

11-15-2005, 01:41 PM

Watch them play. It isn't a typical Marty team. They have more talent than most of Marty's past teams and so they play a finesse type game.

what do you mean watch them play? lol...they, like every Marty team, are horribly preidictable. Sure, LT isn't the typical Running Back for Marty Ball, but they still run more than they pass (in their victories) and they throw a lot to their TE.

You're a redskin fan, you should know better!

Arkie

11-15-2005, 01:42 PM

I think the Chargers will be 9-6 and Denver 11-4 when they face each other. The Chargers win, but Denver still wins the division.

Merlin

11-15-2005, 01:44 PM

RedskinBronco

11-15-2005, 02:15 PM

what do you mean watch them play? lol...they, like every Marty team, are horribly preidictable. Sure, LT isn't the typical Running Back for Marty Ball, but they still run more than they pass (in their victories) and they throw a lot to their TE.

You're a redskin fan, you should know better!

lol...trust me man, Marty plays it differently with this team, but then he reverts back to his reputation in the playoffs. He lost the game to the Jets last year by being so damn conservative AGAIN. They were a very effecient offense last year, perfect balance. They get into the playoffs and boom Martyball rears its ugly head again.

The Redskins QB under Marty was Tony Banks for the most part...enough said...lol

Marty let's the guys in SD play for the most part, but he can't help but mess it all up when he feels nervous. He loses more games than any other coach. That's why he always beats the bad teams. His teams can hang on for those wins, but when they face the good teams or decent teams, they blow it.

footstepsfrom#27

11-15-2005, 02:30 PM

I still see us losing a couple of games. KC may be getting worse, but it is a division game and they hate Denver and it's at Arrowhead, expect their best game (memories of last yr?). Also, there will be a cream-puff loss. Every yr Shanny has coached there has been a cream-puff loss near the end of the yr, no reason to assume it will not happen again. That being said, it does not look good for SD. I fully expect them to lose to Denver if the game means something (Brees does not play well against Denver).
There may well be a creampuff loss at home...but there also has to be 2 on the road AND SD must finish 6-1 just to tie Denver. I'm not sure who the tiebreaker would go to in that situation, but expecting BOTH a 6-1 SD finish (with games left against Indy and Washington on the road and Denver) as well as a 4-3 Denver stretch run is wishful thinking for Charger fans, though stranger things have happened. Even if it happens Denver could win the division anyway in the tiebreaker system (somebody with no life tell us how it shakes out please...)

This team could still pull the classic 2nd half fade and lose the division. At this point that looks unlikely given how they are playing on both sides of the ball and their improved special teams. The only way I can realistically see SD catching them is if they go 7-0. I doubt that will happen.

Northman

11-15-2005, 03:42 PM

No, I'm assuming you lose one more game than we do other than the one against us, which I'm confident we will win at home.

Im confident we will beat you in your house. i mean, it was the comeback against you that sparked our run and we will thank you again by beating your ass in San Diego.

No1BroncoFan

11-15-2005, 08:10 PM

This game will be a blow out in our favor. Mark it down buddy.
So, you sayin' we'll be resting our starters? Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Ben

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 08:25 PM

So, you sayin' we'll be resting our starters? Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Ben

This comment was in regards to the Redskins game. Learn how to read and comprehend.

Once again, I need to remind you; I heard this same non-sense last year. You guys were just too good to lose then as well ESPECIALLY with the "tough" schedule we were facing:
Who's going to win the West?
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=20144

Blah, blah, blah.......Yup, you guys are a shoe in and have this divison locked up.

Thread bookmarked......

footstepsfrom#27

11-15-2005, 08:34 PM

Exactly. If Denver fails in one game, it's pretty much even if we take care of business at home like we are suppose to.

This is FAR from over.
Actually Denver has to lose two more games than SD AND lose to the Chargers on the road to make it even. That would give us 5 losses and a split with SD, while SD already has 4 losses. So a single loss will put them at 5 losses also. If Denver loses only two more, including the game against SD, then they finish 12-4, which would take a 7-0 SD run to match. If Denver goes 5-2 the rest of the way...they win the division unless SD wins out...which would still only produce a tiebreaker scenario. San Diego has three tough road games left, two against cold weather teams (KC, Washington) and Indy, plus Denver at home.

Anybody think they go 7-0 with that lineup ahead? No way. They'll be underdogs in at least three of those games. A 5-2 record is the best I can see for them, leaving them at 10-6 and on the outside looking in unless Cincy and Jax collapse also.

BreesLightning

11-15-2005, 08:39 PM

By the way, go and see how much the Colts fans respect you....

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125277

RhymesayersDU

11-15-2005, 08:49 PM

By the way, go and see how much the Colts fans respect you....

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125277
Colts fans have no reason to respect us until we can win an important game against them. If I were a Colts fan I'd be laughing at the thought of us.

No1BroncoFan

11-15-2005, 08:52 PM

This comment was in regards to the Redskins game. Learn how to read and comprehend.

Once again, I need to remind you; I heard this same non-sense last year. You guys were just too good to lose then as well ESPECIALLY with the "tough" schedule we were facing:
Who's going to win the West?
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=20144

Blah, blah, blah.......Yup, you guys are a shoe in and have this divison locked up.

Thread bookmarked......
Reading comprehension smak? Well, if that's all you got...

I love Charger fans. Once every decade they get to come out during daylight hours, then reality creeps back in and they all disappear.

Go away GreaseLighter, nobody around here thinks your chest thumping is scary.

Ben

No1BroncoFan

11-15-2005, 08:53 PM

By the way, go and see how much the Colts fans respect you....

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125277
Probably about as much as we respect your pathetic little Division II team.

Ben

listopencil

11-15-2005, 09:16 PM

Denver fans are counting their chickens before they hatch if you ask me.

Aw c'mon. You still have seven games left to play. Seven. The season is far from over. You still get Denver at home (a game the Broncos will have a tough time trying to win) and you are currently two games back without the tiebreaker. Beat the Broncos in KC and you are one game back. Not that big of a deal. I'm taking nothing for granted with seven games left. Like I said, the season is far from over.

Spend more time on your home board.

sirhcyennek81

11-15-2005, 11:04 PM

Until its week 17, Denver has more wins then the chargers, chiefs and raiders, the west is open. Week 10. Broncos v Jets. thats this week. lets focus on today. dont worry about tomorrow. thats tomorrow. Go Broncos.

Atlas

11-15-2005, 11:52 PM

From what I have seen of the Chargers is that they are a good team and they can be a very good team the problem they face is that they aren't very consistent and make critcle mistakes without their defense forcing any turnovers. My feeling is that they will look very good and still lose a couple of close games like they have this year. I see them finishing at 10-6 and out of the playoffs.

SoCalBronco

11-15-2005, 11:54 PM

A Charger fan in November?

And they said it couldnt be done.

boltaneer

11-16-2005, 01:57 AM

I love the Charger fan jokes. It shows such ignorance.

Anyway, it's always fun to predict what will happen, though no game is ever set in stone. Looking at the schedules however, Denver doesn't have a tough road ahead so I don't see them collapsing and taking the division title. However, if Denver falters in the road games against Dallas and KC, doubt could set into the Denver mindset and that could swing the momentum big time in favor of San Diego.

However, I also see the Chargers not collapsing and taking one of the wildcard spots. Jacksonville is notorious for playing down to lesser competition and I think that's going to set in soon.

My prediction: Denver takes the division and San Diego takes the WC. I think this is Indy's year. Seems like everything has been set up for them so conviently and they're getting all the breaks in the world. Outside of AFC rivals, probably the team I don't want to make it to the Super Bowl for the AFC is Indy so I'm hoping they somehow fall apart either now or in the playoffs.

watermock

11-16-2005, 02:19 AM

I would say Denver has a very tough road ahead...after the Jets, they play on the road 4 of 6 with road games to KC, Buffalo and San Diego...why is that so easy?

Circle Orange

11-16-2005, 05:11 AM

It's going to be an interesting second half. Pacing of schedule has influenced the records a bit (home/away) and we've still got the 'round robin' thing to do.

broncohaven

11-16-2005, 05:47 AM

The Chiefs and Chargers are both going to have to win out if they want to take the division, and hope the Broncos lose three down the stretch. The Chargers will have to beat the Skins, Chiefs and the Colts on the road. Denver has a two game lead with the most difficult part of their schedule behind them.

Anything is possible, and of course the Chargers will be saying they still have a chance, but they'll need to be perfect. They've lost games they shouldn't have lost, and division winners usually don't get away with that.

Hotrod

11-16-2005, 07:14 AM

Colts fans have no reason to respect us until we can win an important game against them. If I were a Colts fan I'd be laughing at the thought of us.

Prolly the truest statement on this thread.

BKK

11-16-2005, 07:17 AM

Let me tell you Al, the Broncos are making football plays on the football field as well as alot of football moves. Plummer well he is just playing good football, hes lining up behind center and taking the snaps and all that other stuff you do as a quarterback in the National Football League, and what you see when you watch their offense is that its coach Shannahans offense. As far as the rest of the AFC West division, The Chiefs are the Chiefs, the Chargers are the Chargers and the Raiders are the Raiders there really isnt much more to say BOOM!

bronco militia

11-16-2005, 07:44 AM

I love the Charger fan jokes. It shows such ignorance.

.

bwhahaha...it's all you guys have got..

bwhahaha

ROFL!

Tom A Hawk

11-16-2005, 08:25 AM

we have 7 tough games left

no way we are counting anything

except how many times you make an ass out of yourself

You can't possibly be counting how many times he makes an ass out of himself. It may be easier to count when he is not.

orange 4 life

11-16-2005, 08:52 AM

By the way, go and see how much the Colts fans respect you....

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125277

umm, not ONE person posted about us being the most overrated, and a couple actually complimented us.
only two posts at the end of page two were at all derogatory, and anyone that says they'd prefer to face plummer over leftbitch is seriously delusional anyway.
did you have a point with this?
it wouldnt seem so.

further, this is the team that killed us the last two years.
if any team out there has reason to disrespect us, its them, and by and large even they were giving our team credit.

go take a flying leap bolt fan.

jake

orange 4 life

11-16-2005, 09:01 AM

I love the Charger fan jokes. It shows such ignorance.

hows that?

see, i go to every bronco home game.
when we play kc, there's alot of chiefs fans that make the trip.
alot of them even know their football.

when we play the raiders, plenty of the silver and black jailbird crowd show up (though none seem to know their football)

heck, when we played the eagles thousands of bird fans showed up.

when we play the chargers, there's 4 or 5 guys in a brees or lt jersey that sit there quietly and go home after the loss.

when i look around mile high, i see a stadium that has been sold out for more than THIRTY YEARS consecutively.
when i look at the murph (its always the murph to me), i see ALOT of empty seats.
when your team is down, i see alot of fair weather californians heading for the exits in the third quarter.

sure, there's some good charger fans, but there's some good colorado mammoth (major league lacrosse) fans also.
theyre there, but theyre awful tough to find!!

jake

orange 4 life

11-16-2005, 09:07 AM

I would say Denver has a very tough road ahead...after the Jets, they play on the road 4 of 6 with road games to KC, Buffalo and San Diego...why is that so easy?

nothing "easy" about it mock, but you do have to look at the overal schedule.

we only have three home games, but theyre against the jets, the fade, and the ratbirds.
buffalo has a less than average qb, which plays into our hands.
dallas is much improved, but bledsoe is immobile, which ALSO plays into our hands.
then we have road games against san diego and kc, and after last year, i just dont see us losing both.
heck, its possible we run the table in the division, though i admit thats a stretch.
still, i would expect a split in the two remaining road division games.
i would expect a split (at least) with dallas and buffalo.

3-0 at home, 2-2 on the road.
thats 12-4, and thats absolutely reasonable.

if we drop an easy one at home or lose 3 of 4 on the road, we STILL end up 11-5, which wont give us the #2 seed, but should still win the division.

its not "easy" at all, but its right there for the taking moreso than any year since elway retired, and this team FEELS like its got more going for it than any team post elway.
the chemistry seems to be there, the qb is once again a position of strength, the ground game is hitting on all cylinders, and if we can just close teams out a little better we're pushing being dominant.

put on the orange glasses, the view is nice :Broncos:

bronco militia

11-16-2005, 09:09 AM

charger fan?

http://sb.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/the_writer_1.gif

broncofan2438

11-16-2005, 10:05 AM

Paladin

11-16-2005, 12:31 PM

It is very nerve racking to see everyone just giving us a win already over the Jets, lets just take one game at a time, we need to still work on our fourth quarter mindset before we start thinking about future games. I am going to the SD game and want confidence knowing we can close out the game and season with a strong win

I agree. I don't care what the chuggers or even the mullets are doing this Sunday. Nope not at all. I rarely watch any game those guys are playing unless they are playing the Broncos. Same with the Fades. But as they say:

"The rest of the season starts on Sunday. There is no tomorrow. Our backs are on the wall. Since we play them one game at a time, this is the next one. AFLAC. If the Broncos can just win this next game, we will be one game closer to the end of the season. We just play them and we count up the Ws and Ls at the end of the season and see how many Ws we have. This is a tough game coming up and we just have to put on the chin straps and play. Gotta line up on the team that's in front of you. This is a critical game for us. We can't afford to overlook these guys because this is a good team. They all play professional football, too, and that means they know how to play football. On any given sunday, even elephants can fly; they named one gut on that team "Dumbo". Well, I know that they have a great running game, and they pass very well; their defense is highly thought of by our coaches, and we will have to put out game faces on early. Just have to get a jump on them and keep playing hard. 53 for 60. Anytime you take a team lightly, that's when they knock you on your butt. Gotta keep plugging away and not get down. Need to take care of the ball, and not give them easy scores. If we can win the TO game, we have a great chance to win this game. Our runing game will be huge. Can't make too many mistakes. That team can just pound you with their attacking D. Number -- has about 20 interceptions the past three years, and he is a real threat to our passing game. We just need to execute our game plan and see where it goes."

Is it time yet?

Means20

11-16-2005, 12:34 PM

Hotrod

11-16-2005, 12:40 PM

If you can lose to Miami you can lose to anyone. Don't act as though a late season breakdown is out of the ordinary for the Donkies. Odds remain in favor of Denver due to an easier schedule and nothing more. Your over confidence will be shot pretty quickly if you leave the division on the line come Dec. 31.

If the division is on the line come Dec 31st all that means is were gonna tear the heart right out of the damn chargless fan base. As much fun as that would be instead I think well just nail it down much earlier and take that day off.

Means20

11-16-2005, 12:47 PM

If the division is on the line come Dec 31st all that means is were gonna tear the heart right out of the damn chargless fan base. As much fun as that would be instead I think well just nail it down much earlier and take that day off.

"Take that day off" -Here I thought you waited till the playoffs to take days off.....41-10! :laugh:

maven

11-16-2005, 12:49 PM

Chargers? What have they done to proven they can win the west?

Hercules Rockefeller

11-16-2005, 12:50 PM

"Take that day off" -Here I thought you waited till the playoffs to take days off.....41-10! :laugh:

That's ballsy coming from someone who roots for a team with 0 rings, 1 Bowl appearance, lost a home playoff game last year, and had its first winning season in a decade last year.

Man-Goblin

11-16-2005, 12:56 PM

"Take that day off" -Here I thought you waited till the playoffs to take days off.....41-10! :laugh:

My take on the Chargers: Good team, tougher schedule. Plus, suspending Gates in the opener against Dallas certainly seems like it is going to comeback and bite them in the a$$ come the end of the year.

FantomForce

11-16-2005, 02:54 PM

"Take that day off" -Here I thought you waited till the playoffs to take days off.....41-10! :laugh:
What do you have when you have nuts on the wall? Walnuts. What about nuts on your chest? Chestnuts. What about when you have nuts on your chin? We shall see on the 31st of december, BIIAAACTCH:boxing:

Bob's your Information Minister

11-16-2005, 03:19 PM

The Chiefs and Chargers are both going to have to win out if they want to take the division, and hope the Broncos lose three down the stretch.

Luckily both KC and SD have home games against Denver. They can kill two birds with one stone.

Old Dude

11-16-2005, 03:23 PM

It's going to suck for whoever fails to win this division.

Jacksonville has a cupcake schedule from here on out and will almost certainly grab one wild card.

The loser of the Bengals/Steelers race (most likely the Bengals) would have a good shot at the remaining spot.

Bronco LB 59

11-16-2005, 06:59 PM

Luckily both KC and SD have home games against Denver. They can kill two birds with one stone.

The December 31 game in San Diego is a pseudo-Chargers home game. The folk in orange that attend are just as loud as the hometown fans.

broncohaven

11-16-2005, 07:13 PM

Luckily both KC and SD have home games against Denver. They can kill two birds with one stone.
Luckily for Denver, one of the two is guaranteed a loss. The Chargers have to beat the Colts in Indy, and the Chiefs have to find a way to get by the Texans.

Broncoman13

11-16-2005, 07:17 PM

nothing "easy" about it mock, but you do have to look at the overal schedule.

we only have three home games, but theyre against the jets, the fade, and the ratbirds.
buffalo has a less than average qb, which plays into our hands.
dallas is much improved, but bledsoe is immobile, which ALSO plays into our hands.
then we have road games against san diego and kc, and after last year, i just dont see us losing both.
heck, its possible we run the table in the division, though i admit thats a stretch.
still, i would expect a split in the two remaining road division games.
i would expect a split (at least) with dallas and buffalo.

3-0 at home, 2-2 on the road.
thats 12-4, and thats absolutely reasonable.

if we drop an easy one at home or lose 3 of 4 on the road, we STILL end up 11-5, which wont give us the #2 seed, but should still win the division.

its not "easy" at all, but its right there for the taking moreso than any year since elway retired, and this team FEELS like its got more going for it than any team post elway.
the chemistry seems to be there, the qb is once again a position of strength, the ground game is hitting on all cylinders, and if we can just close teams out a little better we're pushing being dominant.

put on the orange glasses, the view is nice :Broncos:

You certainly have the "glass is half full" outlook today..... which I can certainly respect!

Means20

11-16-2005, 08:38 PM

That's ballsy coming from someone who roots for a team with 0 rings, 1 Bowl appearance, lost a home playoff game last year, and had its first winning season in a decade last year.
Where to begin, first true fans root for their teams regardless of their past defeats and lack of superbowl rings. But let me guess, you've been one hell of a donkey fan ever since 97-98 (have a cookie hero). Secondly, after remaining a Bolt fan through the Ryan Leaf years there's nothing, not even a playoff loss due to a missed field goal that will sway my devotion. Bolt fans have not been spoiled, we do not designate a scape-goat for every season Greise-D. O'neal-Plummer (until recently) tell me, whose fault is it going to be this year?

FantomForce

11-16-2005, 08:40 PM

It sure as hell won't be Wade Phillips, this year anyway_i_O_i_

Bob's your Information Minister

11-16-2005, 08:48 PM

Luckily for Denver, one of the two is guaranteed a loss. The Chargers have to beat the Colts in Indy, and the Chiefs have to find a way to get by the Texans.

Er, what?

boltaneer

11-16-2005, 11:10 PM

The December 31 game in San Diego is a pseudo-Chargers home game. The folk in orange that attend are just as loud as the hometown fans.

I don't know about that. The crowd was certainly loud and pro-Charger last year.

Bronco LB 59

11-16-2005, 11:16 PM

I don't know about that. The crowd was certainly loud and pro-Charger last year.

The same pro-Charger crowd that failed to get off their tails and support their team earlier that season during the Tennessee, Jacksonville and New Orleans blackouts.

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:01 PM

sure, there's some good charger fans, but there's some good colorado mammoth (major league lacrosse) fans also.
theyre there, but theyre awful tough to find!!

jake
What's your point?

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:02 PM

If the division is on the line come Dec 31st all that means is were gonna tear the heart right out of the damn chargless fan base. As much fun as that would be instead I think well just nail it down much earlier and take that day off.
Like last year in SD? Better hope it's "nailed down much earlier," because last year's game there did mean something.

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:03 PM

Chargers? What have they done to proven they can win the west?
First year bandwagoner?

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:06 PM

What do you have when you have nuts on the wall? Walnuts. What about nuts on your chest? Chestnuts. What about when you have nuts on your chin? We shall see on the 31st of december, BIIAAACTCH:boxing:
Again, better hope that you've wrapped up the division by then.

No1BroncoFan

11-18-2005, 04:06 PM

"Take that day off" -Here I thought you waited till the playoffs to take days off.....41-10! :laugh:
And just how much playoff success have you had recently? Thought so.

Chargers fans talking smak. That's funny sh*t!

Ben

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:08 PM

The December 31 game in San Diego is a pseudo-Chargers home game. The folk in orange that attend are just as loud as the hometown fans.
When mammy and pappy are screaming in your ears, it gives you the illusion that the "folk in orange" were just as loud as the hometown fans.

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:09 PM

And just how much playoff success have you had recently? Thought so.

Chargers fans talking smak. That's funny sh*t!

Ben
Oh, I don't know, I guess I'd say we've had about as much success lately as the donks have.

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:10 PM

Now here's where you go on with the rings bit... blah, blah, blah.

NW Bolt Fan

11-18-2005, 04:11 PM

The same pro-Charger crowd that failed to get off their tails and support their team earlier that season during the Tennessee, Jacksonville and New Orleans blackouts.
Yes, that same pro-Charger crowd. Meanwhile, you've helped sell out a plethora of donk games right?

Mr Chatterboodamn

11-18-2005, 04:55 PM

Yes, that same pro-Charger crowd. Meanwhile, you've helped sell out a plethora of donk games right?

Got your nose. &

Elway 4 Life

11-18-2005, 05:03 PM

Now here's where you go on with the rings bit... blah, blah, blah.

Why are you on here? Your team cannot win the big game. They have choked up loses all year in the close games. Your team minus LT and maybe Gates is a F****** joke.

Bronco LB 59

11-18-2005, 07:21 PM

When mammy and pappy are screaming in your ears, it gives you the illusion that the "folk in orange" were just as loud as the hometown fans.

Your fans have always been pushed around in their own house. That's why the Chargers made people buy tickets to 4 other games if they wanted to purchase seats to the Raiders game a couple years back.

Bronco LB 59

11-18-2005, 07:25 PM

Yes, that same pro-Charger crowd. Meanwhile, you've helped sell out a plethora of donk games right?

4 years ago, I called the Broncos for season tickets, they put me on a waiting list and told me, "we will call you in 12 years".

I wish I had the luxury of a Charger fan to walk up and buy season tickets at anytime.

RedskinBronco

11-18-2005, 07:51 PM

4 years ago, I called the Broncos for season tickets, they put me on a waiting list and told me, "we will call you in 12 years".

I wish I had the luxury of a Charger fan to walk up and buy season tickets at anytime.

LOL...yea that's what happens when you got TRADITION. I've dealt with it in two places Denver and DC...fortunately i knew someone in both places that I could either share tix with or buy them from them. If you call the skins offices they will say "uhhh...right...we'll get back to you....(in 25 years)"

Paladin

11-18-2005, 07:51 PM

Maybe the chuggers will get a stomach ache against the Bills, eh? Could happen.....

Odysseus

11-18-2005, 09:15 PM

Bolt fans have not been spoiled, we do not designate a scape-goat for every season Greise-D. O'neal-Plummer (until recently) tell me, whose fault is it going to be this year?

It's pretty hard when your whole team, your coach, your owner and the respect you get around the league catches on fire. It's kind of hard narrow it down to one scape goat. :giggle:

No1BroncoFan

11-19-2005, 01:17 AM

Oh, I don't know, I guess I'd say we've had about as much success lately as the donks have.
And you figure that how? Sure, we've been getting our a$$es kicked in the playoffs the last few times we've been, but at least we've been more than once in the last decade!

Charger fans bring truly weak smak. I guess they just don't get enough practice what with the paucity of winning seasons. As long as Shortenheimer is your coach, don't expect a Superbowl. He's called Shortenheimer for a reason. Nnyah!

Ben

boltaneer

11-19-2005, 05:36 AM

Winning produces more turnout. What a concept.

Try buying season tickets this year in SD... almost impossible to get any now.

You can call it 'bandwagoning' but it's not. It's just human nature. Human beings will be drawn to something they can enjoy. Would you enjoy going to a football game more if there was a good team or a poor team to watch.

In places such as Green Bay for example, this could be an exception because hey, there ain't much else to do in Green Bay. Your options limit your choices and dictate your activities.

If Denver were to go in the crapper for a couple of years in a row, you'd see interest dwindle. Now, I wouldn't expect it to dwindle too much because of the success they've had. Fans would be accustomed to the success and would be willing to put up with the unsuccessful times for a longer period of time. Now, if that drought went on for say, 5-6 years, I think we'd may be facing the possibiltiy of blackouts in Denver.

If the Arizona Cardinals strung off a playoff season or two, you'd probably find it difficult to get season tickets there. Because of the state of their team currently, it's pretty easy to buy a ticket there. In general, that's just the way sports works.

terry251973

11-19-2005, 06:05 AM

no thts not way sports works.i live in nc and the panthers are winning games too and just may be best team in nfc and on way to sb but u should take a look at all the empty seats in the stadium,people around here just dont get off there butt and go to game,sum of it has to do with the ticket prices and other thing is that all there games are televised on tv so most dnt bother with the traffic and other people and just stay home and watch it,maybe thts san diegos prob too lol.

Bronco LB 59

11-19-2005, 11:41 AM

Winning produces more turnout. What a concept.

Try buying season tickets this year in SD... almost impossible to get any now.

You can call it 'bandwagoning' but it's not. It's just human nature. Human beings will be drawn to something they can enjoy. Would you enjoy going to a football game more if there was a good team or a poor team to watch.

In places such as Green Bay for example, this could be an exception because hey, there ain't much else to do in Green Bay. Your options limit your choices and dictate your activities.

If Denver were to go in the crapper for a couple of years in a row, you'd see interest dwindle. Now, I wouldn't expect it to dwindle too much because of the success they've had. Fans would be accustomed to the success and would be willing to put up with the unsuccessful times for a longer period of time. Now, if that drought went on for say, 5-6 years, I think we'd may be facing the possibiltiy of blackouts in Denver.

When the Broncos started their current consecutive sellout streak in 1969, they had yet to enjoy one winning season in their AFL days. The Broncos wouldn't enjoy their first winning season until year 5 of the sellout streak in 1973, in their fourthteenth season of existence.

The Broncos are a religion in the Rocky Mountain region. I could characterize them as an exception like the Green Bay Packers.