Fade fans sound off on Denver

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think we can beat Denver, I think they are playing great football, but it's just a matter of time before plummer starts to screw it up, chump is gonna have his hands full. So I would like to hear from you guys is why you think we will beat them, and what will be our best strategy. This is the biggest game of the year. If we lose that's the season because we will be o-4 in the division, if we win then we still have an outside chance.

We match up very well with them, which is one of the reasons we beat them in Denver last year. Offensively, everything they do is based on the run, so if we can stop the running game our D should be fairly successful against them. Our run defense started out great but hasn't been as good the past few weeks. I would expect to see more of the big 4-3 defense and less of the big nickel, which could mean Brayton and/or Irons at OLB again. Even though I'm not a big fan of this defense I do think it is a good matchup vs. the Denver running game and play action passing game.

As for our offense, we better handle the blitz better than we did yesturday. Denver blitzes literally every play, and after they watch the tape of yesturday and see how we struggled against KC's blitz you can believe they will be coming frequently. Norv better do lot of screens, draws, slant and out routes and use the shotgun formation to give Kerry more time.

Can we beat the Donks? YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Will we beat them? HMMMMMMMMM???? depends on whether or not we can stop their running game

Raiders 24
Donks 17

They seem to think they have a good chance.

[GreatBronco16]

And you thought you could get laid before the age of 20 by someone other than your pub shaving friends over on CP..........

Raider fans thinking..........

Now that is funny.

[Meck77]

And you thought you could get laid before the age of 20 by someone other than your pub shaving friends over on CP..........

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Ha!

[BroncoBuff]

After last year's dismal Sunday nighter, I'm not ready to throw out too much smack here. I think that we'll win (the extra week probably cinches it), but I don't like to tempt fate.

Last year's Sunday Night game LOSS had serious repercussions . . . as in - WE PROLLY WOULDA WON THE DIVISION had we won that game.

And we had THREE CHANCES in the last 90 SECONDS:

1) - Fourth and goal - Todd Collins hits Porter in the back of the end zone . . .

2) - 45 seconds later - Darius Watts drops a tough, but catchable TD pass . . .

2) - Last second - some Raider rookie gets a mitt on Elam's FG attempt - which looked good from the end zone cam . . .

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With that kind of finish . . . who's to say?

[Kaylore]

The loss in Arrowhead didn't help our chances. I don't like the idea of playing an angry and frustrated Raider team in their own house. I do like that Shanahan has an extra week, though. I think the poor weather had more to do with equalizing our teams last year than them "matching up very well" against us. Shanahan gets up for Raider games, to hopefully that, the rest and the extra week help give us the edge.

[Ballhawk]

The loss in Arrowhead didn't help our chances. I don't like the idea of playing an angry and frustrated Raider team in their own house.

This is a team that had high expectations this year and may be on the verge of folding. Yes they beat us in the snow, in our house, but we also beat them 30-3 in their house. Our team needs to kick it into final gear and this is the week to do it. 7-1 the second half. I believe that this team has a purpose. That purpose is to go into the AFC Championship game and keep Payton away from the SB. Every generation needs a Dan Marino, Payton owes it to the league to be the next great passer to go ringless.

[Liebs]

not bad responses from raider fans

[OrangeShadow]

shanny having an extra week gives me confidence

[redrage]

What's Denver's record in Oakland? It seems to me you guys haven't lost out there in a while.

[Bronx33]

They seem to think they have a good chance.


So did saddam..:thumbsup:

[Jesterhole]

Shanahan with two weeks to prepare for the hated Faiders? Are you joking?

The only thing that worries me is that I get the feeling Oakland is just going to air it out every series. If Coyer keeps man on Porter and Moss all day, it's going to suck.

[Bronx33]

Shanahan with two weeks to prepare for the hated Faiders? Are you joking?

The only thing that worries me is that I get the feeling Oakland is just going to air it out every series. If Coyer keeps man on Porter and Moss all day, it's going to suck.

Pressure Mr collins and we avoid the long ball..:thumbsup:

[Hogan11]

I'm more concerned with the Raiders than I probably should be.....

[Rock Chalk]

If our defense can hold them to under 3 TDs, we win, period. No one has been able to stop our run game and I see no reason to think that Jokeland is any different than any other team we faced this year, save that they are probably the poorest fo the competition we have faced.

The honus is all on our defense though. If we lose, its because of them.

[dsmoot]

In my opinion, the next round of games against division opponents is a true test of what type of team the Broncos have. This team is either a legitimate SB contender or they are just the also rans of the last few years. Denver has to win out on the road against these teams. They have to put these teams away or we might as well let our focus be to root for Redskin opponents and start talking draft, salary cap and Shanahan. Very good teams simply win convincingly. They don't let up in the 4th quarter like Denver has done lately. The teams in the Bronco division are good teams and I think anyone in the division can beat them if they don't come ready to play. The last three years, the second half of the season has been marred with efforts seen in Miami this year. The post game interviews all look the same, with the heads hung low and the coulda, woulda shoulda's.

[jmz313]

not bad responses from raider fans


I was also shocked there was no blantant Homering, and Blind love.

Hopefully, the team comes off the bye fired up and not flat. I can't handle another game like the one last year.

They will air it out plenty, probably more so then any other team this year we've seen. Porter has caught some momentum and Moss is due to show up soon. Their 3rd WR Doug gabriel could be a big issue, I wouldn't be super-suprised if he leads the team in Yds. Hes pretty good, and won't be thought of as much in game planning. Collins seems to trust him as a crutch when the going gets tough.

But, Their O should bearly see the field if our round game does what it does.

[Paladin]

Faider fan observations: Aw, h3ll, What do you think? They're going to say the Faides don't have a chance? The Faider fans said the same things about their games against the Chuggers and the mullets. They say the same things against any opponent the team has played. It is very repetitive, and nauseatingly so. It is as predictable as the mullets showing up here after a mullet win or a Bronco loss; most mullets only caw like crows, they don't talk. Fans getting hyped is not the game. Not even when the Broncos fans get hyped.

Mullets are here on a wishful thinking drill. They ought to be looking at the probable loss coming from the Bills next Sunday. (The Bills are rightfully favored.)

[DrFate]

Like every game this season...

If we play well, we win.

If don't show up - we lose.

We have played great in every game but one (MIA), although we have had several 4th quarter defensive collapses. What gives me hope is we have only had that one game where we simply didn't get off the team bus. Lately that has been happening 3 or 4 times a year.

:Broncos:

We should win, the Raiders simply aren't all that good.

[Garcia Bronco]

They do have a good chance of winning....everybody has a chance.

[Raider Bill]

To be honest, it's getting difficult to root for this team.

Turner sucks pole. I think I'd be happy if the team mailed it in at this point.

[Raider Bill]

dupe post.

[Paladin]

Having a chance is not the same as having a good chance. They have a chance, and nothing more. So does Denver.

[broncosteven]

I think Foxy has a chance to get his hands on a couple of Carrie Collins passes & becomes the difference in this game. Moss didn't show up for the Chef game until the very end he will either decide to play the game early or show up in the close game I am hoping we can pound the ball on them connect on some deep balls & outright run away with this game.

[NaptownChief]

To be honest, it's getting difficult to root for this team.

Turner sucks pole. I think I'd be happy if the team mailed it in at this point.




I'm fine with them mailing it in on all but the Donks and Bolts games....Surely your team has enough pride to want to at least win their 3rd division game in a three season stretch.

[Raider Bill]

Nah, I'm pulling for 3-13 at this point and no better than 5-11.

There are only 2 games left we'll be favored in so 5-11 is the likely scenario IMO.

[NaptownChief]

Nah, I'm pulling for 3-13 at this point and no better than 5-11.

There are only 2 games left we'll be favored in so 5-11 is the likely scenario IMO.



I expected the Raiders to be a little better than this but in all seriousness how can you hire a time tested and proven mediocre coach and expect the tiger to change stripes?

Norv seems like a nice guy but appears to have the leadership skills that would struggle to lead a whore to bed.

[Play2win]

Whats the Over/Under on how many times we sack Collins?

If its 5, I'm definitely taking the over...

[Meck77]

I expected the Raiders to be a little better than this but in all seriousness how can you hire a time tested and proven mediocre coach and expect the tiger to change stripes?

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Good point Naptown. Why not ask King Carl that question. http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4 Your chumps are still at the bottom of the league in defense. Same coach same stripes.

[NaptownChief]

Good point Naptown. Why not ask King Carl that question. http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4



That Super Bowl ring in his history kinda clouds things a bit I suppose.

[Garcia Bronco]

Good point Naptown. Why not ask King Carl that question. http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4 Your chumps are still at the bottom of the league in defense. Same coach same stripes.

Well I don't know if you notice but we're not to far ahead of the 32 defense...which goes to show those rankings on total yards allowed don't tell the whole story.

KC has the 31st ranked pass D, guess who 30 and 29 are. KC has the 8th ranked run defense.....guess who is number 5.

but Denver while low in sacks...the Denver defense has had 81 penalties committed against it...which is most in the league.

[Garcia Bronco]

Oh...and we have the 3rd ranked offense

[Crushaholic]

ah yes...the old "Plummer has to screw up sometime" argument...

I'm going to ride the "Plummer playing at a high level" wave for as long as possible. I hope to ride that wave all the way to the Super Bowl and beyond.

[Bronx33]

Well I don't know if you notice but we're not to far ahead of the 32 defense...which goes to show those rankings on total yards allowed don't tell the whole story.

KC has the 31st ranked pass D, guess who 30 and 29 are. KC has the 8th ranked run defense.....guess who is number 5.

but Denver while low in sacks...the Denver defense has had 81 penalties committed against it...which is most in the league.


We have a better record than most the teams ahead of us in those stats, the numbers really don't translate how a defense proforms but in KCs case their D is their glaring problem in the long run.

[sirhcyennek81]

so...did they match up with us well the last time we played them in Oakland? Or did i imagine a blowout?

[Bronx33]

so...did they match up with us well the last time we played them in Oakland? Or did i imagine a blowout?

Pounded em..

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20041017_DEN@OAK

[Raider Bill]

I expected the Raiders to be a little better than this but in all seriousness how can you hire a time tested and proven mediocre coach and expect the tiger to change stripes?

Norv seems like a nice guy but appears to have the leadership skills that would struggle to lead a whore to bed.


I didnt hire the ****ing guy.

[Gcver2ver3]

They seem to think they have a good chance.




They do have a good chance to win......

If the Broncos execute then we will win...but Oakland has played their opponents tough and we are 1-2 on the road....we could certainly lose this one...but I hope we don't

[Merlin]

They do have a good chance to win......

If the Broncos execute then we will win...but Oakland has played their opponents tough and we are 1-2 on the road....we could certainly lose this one...but I hope we don't
It's the freaking Raiders! Shannhan has basically owned them since he came here. He hates them, and his team elevates their play even in their bad yrs (the broncs beat them even the yr the Raiders were strong and the Broncos weak). Last yrs debacle was a game that was in hand in the 4 qtr. The Broncos had a 13 point lead with only minutes left. The Raiders needed a droped pass in the EZ by a Denver WR and a lucky field goal block to win the game. If those are the odds they need to win I'll take them. 9 out of 10 they'll lose. As to Denver's road record, yes it is a concern, but not when the location is Oakland.

[RaiderH8r]

I expected the Raiders to be a little better than this but in all seriousness how can you hire a time tested and proven mediocre coach and expect the tiger to change stripes?

Norv seems like a nice guy but appears to have the leadership skills that would struggle to lead a whore to bed.
Chargers fans might be able to help out with this noodle scratcher.

[Raider Bill]

It's the freaking Raiders! Shannhan has basically owned them since he came here

We've each swept once and have split every other year since 2001.

[FADERPROOF]

The loss in Arrowhead didn't help our chances. I don't like the idea of playing an angry and frustrated Raider team in their own house. I do like that Shanahan has an extra week, though. I think the poor weather had more to do with equalizing our teams last year than them "matching up very well" against us. Shanahan gets up for Raider games, to hopefully that, the rest and the extra week help give us the edge.


Knowing the Raiders, after games like that they usually tend to fold up and pack it in.

[Sassy]

Broncos had a 13 point lead with only minutes left....

Unfortunately, that sounds very familiar...in fact, eerily so...let's hope it doesn't happen again THIS year.

[Gcver2ver3]

It's the freaking Raiders! Shannhan has basically owned them since he came here. He hates them, and his team elevates their play even in their bad yrs (the broncs beat them even the yr the Raiders were strong and the Broncos weak). Last yrs debacle was a game that was in hand in the 4 qtr. The Broncos had a 13 point lead with only minutes left. The Raiders needed a droped pass in the EZ by a Denver WR and a lucky field goal block to win the game. If those are the odds they need to win I'll take them. 9 out of 10 they'll lose. As to Denver's road record, yes it is a concern, but not when the location is Oakland.


Good take Merlin...I hope you're right!!!

Problem is I am still skeptical that we are due for a collapse...

Our defense plays fantastic one game and poorly the next (better yet fantastic one QUARTER...and poorly the next)

I know we CAN win but not sure we will...

Every year when I think we are top notch they show me they aren't..

I'm not going to get my heart broken again this time...I will say this though...

If we win this game in Oakland...then I will finally be ready to think we are for real this year....

[Merlin]

We've each swept once and have split every other year since 2001.
So in 10 years playing him twice a yr you have managed about 5 wins? As I said, since he came here he has basically (i.e. not every yr) owned them, even the yrs when Denver was in quasi rebuilding mode and the Raiders were a powerhouse. This yr I would be surprised if the latter did not get swept again.

[Merlin]

If we win this game in Oakland...then I will finally be ready to think we are for real this year....
I'm sorry, but I don't think this game would be a good gauge. Shannahan lives to beat the Raiders, and this yr he had 2 weeks to game plan and rest his players.

[Gcver2ver3]

I'm sorry, but I don't think this game would be a good gauge. Shannahan lives to beat the Raiders, and this yr he had 2 weeks to game plan and rest his players.


I hear ya but I don't look at it that way....

we haven't been 7-2 in a long time and this game would show that we can win on the road against a tough opponent..

no matter who the team is...you have to play well to win on the road (the miami game should've taught us that)

I know the Raiders have had their issues this year...but we are 1-2 on the road...

this is a good test for us

[ludo21]

coloradoraider - -ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what a joke.

This game is going to be tough, always is. As khan said, playing a Fade team that just got off a tough loss plus at Chokeland, it will be a tough game.

But their arguements are lame.
-The ol "Jake has gotta screw up sometime"
-"Just stop the run and their done for" wow thats getting old since it cant be done.
-"Champ is a Chump"

The game will be close, champ or a rook may even let a big play, but with Porter and Moss that is understandable. The better team will win, and this is us.

[sirhcyennek81]

Prediction...Broncos focus in this game will freak everyone out. I do not think Oakland will be able to stop BOTH anderson and bell. Also, their secondary is banged up, worse then ours is. Smith and Lelie will have solid days, denver does not have to score 49...but it would be nice. Broncos 27, oakland 13.

[OrangeShadow]

Hmm a rested defense,a rested mike anderson and tatum bell,shanny with 2 weeks to prepare

i like our chances

[BroncoBuff]

I'll make this wager - - with an extra week to prepare, and vs. the Raiders . . .

I'm betting the Broncos first possession is a hot knife through BUTTA!

7-0, 12:06 left in the 1st quarter.

[Chimporilla]

The Raiders have a good chance to beat Denver this week. Not only is Denver's road record bad this year, it's historically bad. If the Raiders can beat them on the road, in the snow, with no running game and without Randy Moss, then they can certainly take them at home with Jordan and Moss.

It's funny how Bronco fans like to portray Denver as the team that gets fired up in the Raiders vs. Broncos rivalry. It never seems to occur to you guys that the Raiders get fired up for it too. Again, witness last season when the Raiders had nothing but pride to play for while Denver wins the division. All Denver had to do was win at home in their ideal conditions in front of a national television audience. But instead, they folded in the 4th quarter and lost.

I'm a HUGE Raider fan, but that doesn't mean I don't see this team for what it is- a hugely talented squad that's coached by a reject that couldn't inspire a Pop Warner team to win a close game. Unless the Raiders can win 8 in a row or 7 out of the last 8, then I hope to see them go 5-11 (with both remaining wins coming against Denver) again to ensure the firing of Turkey Neck Norvell. I would get started on Collins but then I'm really straying.

However, this rivalry ain't like other games. It doesn't matter who's coaching for us, or if that over-rated little man Shannahan has Elway and TD to carry his game plans, it's anyone's game. Even Joe Bugel managed to pull off a win against Denver in his one pathetic season with us.

Am I predicting a Raider win? You know it! Hell, it's only my second post so I better show some kind of sack.

Raiders 27
Denver 17

That's right. It's gonna be at least a 10 point margin victory. After that, the Raiders will slide back into being the underperforming team that can't hold on to a lead or put away a game. But this Sunday, they're gonna win.
Also, then Denver can get back to winning the division and losing in the first round of the playoffs, or until they meet Indianapolis; whichever comes first.

[Mile High Shack]

so you think Denver has the same team as last year then eh?

[Bronx33]

The Raiders have a good chance to beat Denver this week. Not only is Denver's road record bad this year, it's historically bad. If the Raiders can beat them on the road, in the snow, with no running game and without Randy Moss, then they can certainly take them at home with Jordan and Moss.

It's funny how Bronco fans like to portray Denver as the team that gets fired up in the Raiders vs. Broncos rivalry. It never seems to occur to you guys that the Raiders get fired up for it too. Again, witness last season when the Raiders had nothing but pride to play for while Denver wins the division. All Denver had to do was win at home in their ideal conditions in front of a national television audience. But instead, they folded in the 4th quarter and lost.

I'm a HUGE Raider fan, but that doesn't mean I don't see this team for what it is- a hugely talented squad that's coached by a reject that couldn't inspire a Pop Warner team to win a close game. Unless the Raiders can win 8 in a row or 7 out of the last 8, then I hope to see them go 5-11 (with both remaining wins coming against Denver) again to ensure the firing of Turkey Neck Norvell. I would get started on Collins but then I'm really straying.

However, this rivalry ain't like other games. It doesn't matter who's coaching for us, or if that over-rated little man Shannahan has Elway and TD to carry his game plans, it's anyone's game. Even Joe Bugel managed to pull off a win against Denver in his one pathetic season with us.

Am I predicting a Raider win? You know it! Hell, it's only my second post so I better show some kind of sack.

Raiders 27
Denver 17

That's right. It's gonna be at least a 10 point margin victory. After that, the Raiders will slide back into being the underperforming team that can't hold on to a lead or put away a game. But this Sunday, they're gonna win.
Also, then Denver can get back to winning the division and losing in the first round of the playoffs, or until they meet Indianapolis; whichever comes first.


Welcome to the boards chimp, and i put your zanax order in so you should have it by game time. :Broncos:

[ludo21]

Did i just see a Raider fan here??? Holy Crrap!!! And a confident one at that!!
Our poor road record is why you will win, eh? Like last yeat in Oakland, right?
We lost a tough game in NY, where Eli is undefeated btw, and a blow out in Miami, i dont know what happened.
I know the game will be tough tho, both teams will have to fight for every yard, but this Denver team is much better, and if they dont blow out the Fade, ill be upset.

[Bronx33]

Did i just see a Raider fan here??? Holy Crrap!!! And a confident one at that!!
Our poor road record is why you will win, eh? Like last yeat in Oakland, right?
We lost a tough game in NY, where Eli is undefeated btw, and a blow out in Miami, i dont know what happened.
I know the game will be tough tho, both teams will have to fight for every yard, but this Denver team is much better, and if they dont blow out the Fade, ill be upset.

Plus al davis is shanahans bit***. (WHERES MY MONEY OLD MAN!)

[ludo21]

Plus al davis is shanahans bit***. (WHERES MY MONEY OLD MAN!)

Lately it seems old Al can barely keep his neck up to see the game. Good thing he is at the top so he can just drop his neck w/o straining himself.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And BOOM! This thread is off!

[Chimporilla]

so you think Denver has the same team as last year then eh?


Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

But I'll ask you the same question. Do you think the Raiders are the same team as they were last season? Champ Bailey had a hard enough time covering Jerry Porter the last time they played, so let's see what happens when he has to cover Moss. Moss ain't 100% though, so maybe Champ will only get burned three or four times.

However, we are at this point starting two rooks most of the time in our d-backfield and one in the LB corp, so maybe the bearded lady will be able to make some throws... Maybe.

[Mile High Shack]

Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

But I'll ask you the same question. Do you think the Raiders are the same team as they were last season? Champ Bailey had a hard enough time covering Jerry Porter the last time they played, so let's see what happens when he has to cover Moss. Moss ain't 100% though, so maybe Champ will only get burned three or four times.

However, we are at this point starting two rooks most of the time in our d-backfield and one in the LB corp, so maybe the bearded lady will be able to make some throws... Maybe.

a gimpy Moss vs. gimpy Champ Bailey is an even deal

apparently you haven't watched any Bronco games, that is cool

you'll soon realize Denver is better than they were last year and your team is slightly better, but not enough

but how you describe your raiders, you make us sound like the 3-5 team and you all like the 6-2 team

[RaiderH8r]

Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

But I'll ask you the same question. Do you think the Raiders are the same team as they were last season? Champ Bailey had a hard enough time covering Jerry Porter the last time they played, so let's see what happens when he has to cover Moss. Moss ain't 100% though, so maybe Champ will only get burned three or four times.

However, we are at this point starting two rooks most of the time in our d-backfield and one in the LB corp, so maybe the bearded lady will be able to make some throws... Maybe.
Still cruising along nicely on that crack high I see . Don't let your parole officer catch you.

[Hotrod]

Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

.

We've been hearing that all season long. Have you even seen them play this year???

[Chimporilla]

Our poor road record is why you will win, eh?

That's one reason, yes.

Like last yeat in Oakland, right?

I'm not sure what a "yeat" is, but I'll assume it's akin to the English word, "year".
Anyway, that was Collins third or fourth game as the starter... Hell, the whole team was in disarray. That was also before Denver's post John Elway era annual meltdown.

We lost a tough game in NY, where Eli is undefeated btw, and a blow out in Miami, i dont know what happened.

So what? We opened on the road against New England before they suffered all their injuries. Two weeks later we played on the road against Philly before they began to meltdown. No other team in the history of the league has had to play both Superbowl participants on the road the following season. We had to do so twice in three weeks. But I shouldn't waste time with this. It doesn't matter anyway. It's Raiders vs. Broncos.

I know the game will be tough tho, both teams will have to fight for every yard, but this Denver team is much better, and if they dont blow out the Fade, ill be upset.

You're gonna be awfully upset dude.

[El Guapo]

Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

But I'll ask you the same question. Do you think the Raiders are the same team as they were last season? Champ Bailey had a hard enough time covering Jerry Porter the last time they played, so let's see what happens when he has to cover Moss. Moss ain't 100% though, so maybe Champ will only get burned three or four times.

However, we are at this point starting two rooks most of the time in our d-backfield and one in the LB corp, so maybe the bearded lady will be able to make some throws... Maybe.

you cant expect someone to cover 100% of the time, there is going to be slip-ups. anyways, we didnt really have a pass rush last year.. this year its a different story. bottom line.

[Chimporilla]

Still cruising along nicely on that crack high I see . Don't let your parole officer catch you.

Do you actually have anything clever to say? Or will your next post be full of smilies because you completely lack the ability to actually express yourself in writing? Also, stupid drug references mean a lot coming from a city that's ready to legalize pot.*


*Which I'm for by the way. I just wanted to point out the nonthinking hypocrisy.

[Raidersbane]

I like how Fade fans can only mention the one point lucky victory they squeeked out under unusual conditions. They always omit the 28 point blowout the Denver put on em that occured later on in normal conditions. Its like that game never happend........but it did. This is aa even better Bronco team. Denver 38 Otown 16 (with a late gimme TD)

[Rock Chalk]

That's one reason, yes.



I'm not sure what a "yeat" is, but I'll assume it's akin to the English word, "year".
Anyway, that was Collins third or fourth game as the starter... Hell, the whole team was in disarray. That was also before Denver's post John Elway era annual meltdown.



So what? We opened on the road against New England before they suffered all their injuries. Two weeks later we played on the road against Philly before they began to meltdown. No other team in the history of the league has had to play both Superbowl participants on the road the following season. We had to do so twice in three weeks. But I shouldn't waste time with this. It doesn't matter anyway. It's Raiders vs. Broncos.



You're gonna be awfully upset dude.
The only thing Im going to be upset at is the fact that when Jokeland gets their ass handed to them, you wont be around here to take your punishment afterwards.

[Hotrod]

I like how Fade fans can only mention the one point lucky victory they squeeked out under unusual conditions. They always omit the 28 point blowout the Denver put on em that occured later on in normal conditions. Its like that game never happend........but it did. This is aa even better Bronco team. Denver 38 Otown 16 (with a late gimme TD)

Not to mention his opening statement is a knock on the Browncos. He must not have paid the cable bill since the talking heads at espin have even taken note of the awesome Dline play the Broncos are getting this year.

[Bronx33]

Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

But I'll ask you the same question. Do you think the Raiders are the same team as they were last season? Champ Bailey had a hard enough time covering Jerry Porter the last time they played, so let's see what happens when he has to cover Moss. Moss ain't 100% though, so maybe Champ will only get burned three or four times.

However, we are at this point starting two rooks most of the time in our d-backfield and one in the LB corp, so maybe the bearded lady will be able to make some throws... Maybe.


Cleveland Browns North is about to own gangster team west.

[Crushaholic]

Sorry, please forgive me if the Cleveland Browns North aren't scaring my pants off.

Cleveland Browns North? Somebody doesn't know their geography...

[Chimporilla]

a gimpy Moss vs. gimpy Champ Bailey is an even deal

We'll see. Our coaching staff is so inept... In nearly every game this season, the db's have been playing 10+ yards off Moss. He's been open for that 7 yard out almost constantly. I'm not exaggerating.

apparently you haven't watched any Bronco games, that is cool

On the contrary, I watch Denver every chance I get. They have looked good, but they've looked good at home and against teams that just ain't that great. They're 1-2 on the road which means they've had the luxury of playing the majority of their games at home. All that changes starting Sunday where their schedule dicates five out of their next 8 will be on the road. But even more importantly, that record mimicks Denver history, where they're one of the worst teams in the league on the road.

you'll soon realize Denver is better than they were last year and your team is slightly better, but not enough
but how you describe your raiders, you make us sound like the 3-5 team and you all like the 6-2 team

You didn't read my whole post. I acknowledge that Denver is a better team than the Raiders right now. If say, you took Denver's players and coaches, put them in the Houston Texans uniforms, and took away their memories of being Broncos, then I'd say they beat the Raiders in Oakland without a lot of drama.
But that's not possible (and it's kind of silly). This rivalry to me, is the bitterest in the NFL. I don't think any other comes very close. That's what makes this game different. I hate the Chiefs but nothing like I hate the Broncos. And most other Raider fans feel the same way and on gameday, that will translate down to the players. It changes the entire vibe of the game. It's one of the great intangibles of sports.
Again, after next Sunday, my assessment of things will come back down to earth. But not now.

[Chimporilla]

you wont be around here to take your punishment afterwards.

Of course I will. Because when the Raiders are out of the playoffs and you guys are talking about going to the Superbowl, I have to be here in order to provide a contrary point of view... and to gloat about it. I love football, so when my team sucks, I have to find something interesting to do.

[Bronx33]

Of course I will. Because when the Raiders are out of the playoffs and you guys are talking about going to the Superbowl, I have to be here in order to provide a contrary point of view... and to gloat about it. I love football, so when my team sucks, I have to find something interesting to do.

You can be raiders rock motivational instructor!:thumbsup:

[Chimporilla]

Not to mention his opening statement is a knock on the Browncos. He must not have paid the cable bill since the talking heads at espin have even taken note of the awesome Dline play the Broncos are getting this year.

Put all the faith in the talking heads that you want. The fact of the matter is that every year since Elway retired and Davis was injured, the talking heads have picked Denver to be a good team; hasn't happened.
When you guys get to a playoff game and win one, I might think about considering to begin contemplating that Denver is one of the better teams in the league.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We'll see. Our coaching staff is so inept... In nearly every game this season, the db's have been playing 10+ yards off Moss. He's been open for that 7 yard out almost constantly. I'm not exaggerating.


Wow. That's really pathetic. I've been saying it for awhile now...as long as Norv is around, KC will continue to sweep Oakland. Maybe Collins, too.

I may have been wrong about Rob Ryan, though. He seems to have done fairly well with the scheme change.

[Raidersbane]

What? You mean Cleveland's not in Texas?

[Chimporilla]

I like how Fade fans can only mention the one point lucky victory they squeeked out under unusual conditions. They always omit the 28 point blowout the Denver put on em that occured later on in normal conditions. Its like that game never happend........but it did. This is aa even better Bronco team. Denver 38 Otown 16 (with a late gimme TD)

I like how some Bronco fans are more obsessed with the Raiders than they are with their own team (look at some of the names around here, ahem).

First of all, your memory isn't that good. The blowout you speak of took place early in the season, shortly after Rich Gannon was injured and lurpy Kerry Collins took over. As I've already pointed out, the entire team was in disarray. It was weeks later that we beat you in Denver. That was the most recent game and a more accurate representation of both teams. It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to compare from that game because it was last year, but it's the only thing we have to work with in the way of known facts.

[Chimporilla]

Wow. That's really pathetic. I've been saying it for awhile now...as long as Norv is around, KC will continue to sweep Oakland. Maybe Collins, too.

I may have been wrong about Rob Ryan, though. He seems to have done fairly well with the scheme change.

Norv was always a bad choice and always will be. Ever since leaving the Cowboys the man had done almost nothing as an HC or even and OC.
Ryan though, is coming along. I think that when our players get a little more experience under their belts in the d-backfield, we'll be good to go on D.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Chimp, how healthy is Moss going to be this week? Seemed to me he lacked that extra gear against KC.

[Chimporilla]

Chimp, how healthy is Moss going to be this week? Seemed to me he lacked that extra gear against KC.

He'll be healthy enough to be a decoy and maybe make a catch or two like he did against KC last Sunday. Even when the guy is injured he still needs to be accounted for. But no matter how you slice it, Moss is not 100% and I think Denver would be safe in putting their #2 corner on him and paying much more attention to Jerry Porter.


It's interesting to note that when Moss' role in the gameplan has been diminished, the Raiders have scored more points. That's a simple fact. With Moss as the focal point of the passing game the Raiders didn't score more than two touchdowns in any game. The two games he hardly played at all after that, the Raiders put up 38 and 34 points. So take that for whatever it's worth.
I question the entire acquisition of Moss in the first place, but that's a whole 'nother thing entirely.

And why did Collins go 18-40 against the Chiefs? It's because he sucks, that's why.

[Mile High Shack]

He'll be healthy enough to be a decoy and maybe make a catch or two like he did against KC last Sunday. Even when the guy is injured he still needs to be accounted for. But no matter how you slice it, Moss is not 100% and I think Denver would be safe in putting their #2 corner on him and paying much more attention to Jerry Porter.


It's interesting to note that when Moss' role in the gameplan has been diminished, the Raiders have scored more points. That's a simple fact. With Moss as the focal point of the passing game the Raiders didn't score more than two touchdowns in any game. The two games he hardly played at all after that, the Raiders put up 38 and 34 points. So take that for whatever it's worth.
I question the entire acquisition of Moss in the first place, but that's a whole 'nother thing entirely.

And why did Collins go 18-40 against the Chiefs? It's because he sucks, that's why.

but yet he is going to kill Denver though

[Chimporilla]

but yet he is going to kill Denver though

Yes! Like I've said before, it doesn't matter what comes before this game, it's Raiders Vs. Broncos. All bets are off (unless you call your bookie). The Raiders will play their best game of the year this Sunday and win by double digits. After that, they'll go back to being the most underachieving team in the league, but for this game, they're all over it. It really has nothing to do with Kerry Collins. The guy sucked last year too, but he made his best throws of the entire season against Denver.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Denver takes a lot more chances on defense than KC does, IMO.

Should be interesting to see how Collins responds to that.

Hopefully Kerry doesn't throw the ball seven yards backwards out of bounds when he gets tripped up by the center this week. LOL

[Mile High Shack]

Yes! Like I've said before, it doesn't matter what comes before this game, it's Raiders Vs. Broncos. All bets are off (unless you call your bookie). The Raiders will play their best game of the year this Sunday and win by double digits. After that, they'll go back to being the most underachieving team in the league, but for this game, they're all over it. It really has nothing to do with Kerry Collins. The guy sucked last year too, but he made his best throws of the entire season against Denver.

so what was Oakland's excuse last year in the 30-3 win by Denver?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

so what was Oakland's excuse last year in the 30-3 win by Denver?

He already addressed that. Oakland was in disarray. Collins had barely had any time under center.

[Mile High Shack]

He already addressed that. Oakland was in disarray. Collins had barely had any time under center.

and it will be different this year, I know

b/c we have "cleveland north" (how it's north I'm not sure since Cleveland is north of Denver"

as opposed to our "awesome" dline last year

geez now Bob is helping out the fade fans....thanks for almost ensuring a Denver win Boob

[Bronx33]

this guy pis*ses me off so much with his stupid image where he stands on the sideline with his arm to his side looking dumbfounded. or when he looks up at the clock to see how much time is left.

norv is garbage and so his ryan. hey ryan why dont u trick the offense and run a prevent d on first and goal at the 1 yard line i am sure they will fall for it. or how about we play zone on 3rd and 3.

oh norv ur genius for sending lamont jordan as a reciever, that was going to mess the defense up really bad when u decide to run it up in the gut.

how about u do this kerry collins audibles and he goes and becomes a wr. lamont will take the qb spot and randy moss will be the rb. robert gallery will switch with jerry porter and we can use gallery as our wr. u hike the ball and u tell lamont to drop back as much as he can and let him go get a safety, this way we trick the defense in thinking we cant compete. then when we are down

we pound to rock with randy moss and he will get a dominant 1 yard gain every time. then we can have the vertical game with lamont jordan where he long bombs it five yards to gallery. (this is pure genius) norv is thinking let put gallery out there because knowone will be able to take him down.

[No1BroncoFan]

Put all the faith in the talking heads that you want. The fact of the matter is that every year since Elway retired and Davis was injured, the talking heads have picked Denver to be a good team; hasn't happened.
When you guys get to a playoff game and win one, I might think about considering to begin contemplating that Denver is one of the better teams in the league.
When you guys can even make the playoffs I might think about considering to begin contemplating that your opinion is worth a sh*t.

Where in the hell do these tools come from?

Ben

[Hotrod]

He already addressed that. Oakland was in disarray. Collins had barely had any time under center.

LOL Boobs just trying to fan the flames of hate Ha!


Whats amazing to me is that I seem to be the only one who can tell this is not even a faider fan. Hes prolly a charger fan. The clues are right there in front of your noses.

1. Writes with complete sentences
2. Has well formed thought process (wrong but well formed)

[Mile High Shack]

When you guys can even make the playoffs I might think about considering to begin contemplating that your opinion is worth a sh*t.

Where in the hell do these tools come from?

Ben

my guess it's Boob's alter ego

he didn't seem to interested in this thread till after this chimp guy mysteriously appeared

[Bob's your Information Minister]

geez now Bob is helping out the fade fans....thanks for almost ensuring a Denver win Boob

The Broncos will win. I predicted this the last two days.

Your defense will be too much for Oakland. They won't run the ball and Collins will be pressured, big time.

[Mile High Shack]

The Broncos will win. I predicted this the last two days.

Your defense will be too much for Oakland. They won't run the ball and Collins will be pressured, big time.

and I've got the market cornered on reverse mojo

so that **** won't fly boob

[ludo21]

LOL Boobs just trying to fan the flames of hate Ha!


Whats amazing to me is that I seem to be the only one who can tell this is not even a faider fan. Hes prolly a charger fan. The clues are right there in front of your noses.

1. Writes with complete sentences
2. Has well formed thought process (wrong but well formed)

Hilarious! I too suspected something was up. Good joke.

The Fade will be a tough team to beat ,but this guys arguements are lame.

"Collins has been mediocre all year but on Sunday he will be a stud beacuse hes playing Denver"
"Moss hurt is better off for our team"
"Just stop the run and we win" - Boy is that getting old. :giggle:
And the list goes on..............

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm serious. There's no way Oakland is winning. Denver is coming off a bye. Are you kidding me?

[Chimporilla]

When you guys can even make the playoffs I might think about considering to begin contemplating that your opinion is worth a sh*t.

Where in the hell do these tools come from?

Ben

So a person's opinion is worth as much as their teams win/loss percentage? Brilliant insight. Maybe I was a genius three years ago but didn't know it and all Denver fans have lost their right to prognosticate since Elway retired.

And please don't call names.

[Chimporilla]

The Fade will be a tough team to beat ,but this guys arguements are lame.

1) There is no such thing as a real football argument. An argument is based on facts and refutation thereof by an opponent. In football, there are only opinions. And my opinion is that the Raiders will win this game based on my belief that I'm right. It's called circular logic. If it can work in Kansas to refute well known scientific doctrine then it sure as hell can work when filling the atmosphere with hot air in regards to football.

2) If you think my "arguments" are lame then you are not very familiar with this rivalry.

"Collins has been mediocre all year but on Sunday he will be a stud beacuse hes playing Denver"

It happened last season in Denver. Why can't it happen now? I'm of the opinion that Collins is due to play a consistent game for four full quarters. This is based on the fact that he played poorly last week and only okay the week before. This means that this is the week he does so well that it will be hard for any outside observer to question his position as #1 quarterback for the Raiders. Then the fiasco starts all over again.

"Moss hurt is better off for our team"

All I'm saying is look at the point production when Moss hasn't played. It's really too bad you can't think very well because it would spare me the hassle of having to do it for you. The reasons the offense might be functioning better for the time being without Moss could be:*

1) Norv, being a complete moron, has not yet figured out how to integrate him into the offense effectively.
2) The chemistry and timing isn't there between Moss and Colllins like it is with Collins and Porter
3) Our playcalling is mindboggingly stupid. If you watched any Raider games, this would become quickly apparent.
4) Moss hasn't yet become comfortable in the offense. Sometimes it takes time no matter how good the player is.

*That little thingy is a colon. I suggest you... Nevermind.


"Just stop the run and we win"

I never said that.

[Chimporilla]

my guess it's Boob's alter ego

he didn't seem to interested in this thread till after this chimp guy mysteriously appeared

Nope. I have nothing to do with any Chief fan. I can speak for myself well enough, thank you. All Bob did was point out something I'd already answered.

[Hotrod]

1) There is no such thing as a real football argument. An argument is based on facts and refutation thereof by an opponent. In football, there are only opinions. And my opinion is that the Raiders will win this game based on my belief that I'm right. It's called circular logic. If it can work in Kansas to refute well known scientific doctrine then it sure as hell can work when filling the atmosphere with hot air in regards to football.

.

Ha! there is no room in football for talk like that :nono:

[rbackfactory80]

The Raiders have a good chance to beat Denver this week. Not only is Denver's road record bad this year, it's historically bad. If the Raiders can beat them on the road, in the snow, with no running game and without Randy Moss, then they can certainly take them at home with Jordan and Moss.

It's funny how Bronco fans like to portray Denver as the team that gets fired up in the Raiders vs. Broncos rivalry. It never seems to occur to you guys that the Raiders get fired up for it too. Again, witness last season when the Raiders had nothing but pride to play for while Denver wins the division. All Denver had to do was win at home in their ideal conditions in front of a national television audience. But instead, they folded in the 4th quarter and lost.

I'm a HUGE Raider fan, but that doesn't mean I don't see this team for what it is- a hugely talented squad that's coached by a reject that couldn't inspire a Pop Warner team to win a close game. Unless the Raiders can win 8 in a row or 7 out of the last 8, then I hope to see them go 5-11 (with both remaining wins coming against Denver) again to ensure the firing of Turkey Neck Norvell. I would get started on Collins but then I'm really straying.

However, this rivalry ain't like other games. It doesn't matter who's coaching for us, or if that over-rated little man Shannahan has Elway and TD to carry his game plans, it's anyone's game. Even Joe Bugel managed to pull off a win against Denver in his one pathetic season with us.

Am I predicting a Raider win? You know it! Hell, it's only my second post so I better show some kind of sack.

Raiders 27
Denver 17

That's right. It's gonna be at least a 10 point margin victory. After that, the Raiders will slide back into being the underperforming team that can't hold on to a lead or put away a game. But this Sunday, they're gonna win.
Also, then Denver can get back to winning the division and losing in the first round of the playoffs, or until they meet Indianapolis; whichever comes first.

Whatever. How do you explain us whooping your ass 31-3 at your house and then us getting beat by a point at our house. It is simple, weather.

[Chimporilla]

Whatever. How do you explain us whooping your ass 31-3 at your house and then us getting beat by a point at our house. It is simple, weather.

You really need to read the whole thread. I know, it's a pain in the ass so I'll explain it one more time. The first time we played last year, Collins had just taken over the offense, Rob Ryan was in his first year as DC, and the entire team was in general disarray. I think that's pretty obvious.

By the time we got around to playing you guys again, we were more on track and won a close game in your house. While it's nice to win a game by four touchdowns, a win is still a win even if it's by only a point. So your win last year isn't somehow better than ours.

I would also like to point out that that was about the time Denver started struggling. It was the second time in three years that the Raiders had beaten the Broncos in Denver. The time before also sent them into a spiral as well.