Any UFC fans here?

[Elway 4 Life]

Did anyone catch the Ultimate Fighter 2 finale?

[Mile High Shack]

I caught the first 2 fights but missed the main event...lol, fell asleep

first fight between the little guys was really good

but the heavy weights were boring

[DomCasual]

Did anyone catch the Ultimate Fighter 2 finale?
There was an Ultimate Fighter 1?

[i4jelway7]

Did anyone catch the Ultimate Fighter 2 finale?


I watched it... Joe won, (great match-up, could of went either way IMO), Rashaad won, and Diego Sanchez won the main event.. all were decisions, no KO's

There was an Ultimate Fighter 1?

yes.. Forrest Griffin won it

[Elway 4 Life]

There was an Ultimate Fighter 1?

So what your tellin me is that your not a fan.:laugh:

[maven]

I watched it... Joe won, (great match-up, could of went either way IMO), Rashaad won, and Diego Sanchez won the main event.. all were decisions, no KO's

Yeah, I wanted to see someone get owned.

[Elway 4 Life]

I watched it... Joe won, (great match-up, could of went either way IMO), Rashaad won, and Diego Sanchez won the main event.. all were decisions, no KO's

I was very impressed with luke. I thought he handled joe well on the ground which is joe obvious strength. I look for good things for both joe and luke.

[Elway 4 Life]

Yeah, I wanted to see someone get owned.

Brad got tattoed twice he just couldnt finish.

[i4jelway7]

I was very impressed with luke. I thought he handled joe well on the ground which is joe obvious strength. I look for good things for both joe and luke.


I was rooting for Luke, and yes he did handle Joe on the ground, he is able to get out of anything... very impressive fight..

[Elway 4 Life]

I was rooting for Luke, and yes he did handle Joe on the ground, he is able to get out of anything... very impressive fight..

Luke's a freaking animal.

[DomCasual]

So what your tellin me is that your not a fan.:laugh:
Well, no - I guess not. I could learn, though. :charge:

[Elway 4 Life]

Well, no - I guess not. I could learn, though. :charge:

Are you a boxing or kickboxing fan?

[i4jelway7]

Luke's a freaking animal.


gotta give it up for Joe too... he hung in there with a torn pectoral.. I wanna know who he has lost to.. I noticed his record and he has lost 6 bouts

[Elway 4 Life]

gotta give it up for Joe too... he hung in there with a torn pectoral.. I wanna know who he has lost to.. I noticed his record and he has lost 6 bouts

He's 23 now and has been fighting since he was 16. I'm sure his losses were early in his career.

[CBF1]

Huge fan of UFC and Pride fighting. Saturdays fights were all excellent in their own way. I was happy to see Kit Cope get his ass handed to him in the opener. Looking forward to UCF title bouts in 2 weeks.

[BMF Bronco]

I loved it that Diego kicked the $hit out of that other dude! Fu@king $hit talking punk.

[Elway 4 Life]

Huge fan of UFC and Pride fighting. Saturdays fights were all excellent in their own way. I was happy to see Kit Cope get his ass handed to him in the opener. Looking forward to UCF title bouts in 2 weeks.

Yes sir!

[Elway 4 Life]

I loved it that Diego kicked the $hit out of that other dude! Fu@king $hit talking punk.

That **** talking punk is a badass though. He is a good fighter, I was glad to see him lose but he can fight.

[BMF Bronco]

Diego is a bad little mufugga as well. Nick Diaz was his name.

[Elway 4 Life]

Diego is a bad little mufugga as well. Nick Diaz was his name.

Both are young. I think 22 and 23 respectively. That fight is gonna be the first in many between these two.

[RunByDesign]

I loved it that Diego kicked the $hit out of that other dude! Fu@king $hit talking punk.

In reality, the fight was turning in the third stanza.

UFC should go to more rounds or a longer first round like pride, for more exciting finishes.

[RunByDesign]

That **** talking punk is a badass though. He is a good fighter, I was glad to see him lose but he can fight.

If there was an extra period, he may have turned it.

Nick Diaz is pretty entertaining.

[BMF Bronco]

If there was an extra period, he may have turned it.

Nick Diaz is pretty entertaining.
What happened to Tito Ortiz, he hasn't fought in like a year or so, he won his last fight, so I wonder if he retired.

[DB-Freak]

Tito was cut from UFC.

That was one of the best UFC event I have ever seen and

I have seen practically almost every UFC and pride events out there.

Now getting into shooto and smaller orgs.

[Elway 4 Life]

What happened to Tito Ortiz, he hasn't fought in like a year or so, he won his last fight, so I wonder if he retired.

Tito's contract was up and as far as I know they havent resigned him or vitor. They need tito, cant stand the guy but he's a badass fighter as long as he's not fighting chuck or randy.

[Clockwork Orange]

Tito's contract was up and as far as I know they havent resigned him or vitor. They need tito, cant stand the guy but he's a badass fighter as long as he's not fighting chuck or randy.

True. Ortiz is an asshole, but he's a tough dude. It was great watching The Iceman drop the hammer on him.

I was rooting for Luke Cummo but it was pretty obvious that unless he miraculously stayed standing during the fight he didn't have much of a shot. Still, last guy picked, he goes all the way to the finals and goes the distance. He earned a lot of respect.

[Elway 4 Life]

True. Ortiz is an a-hole, but he's a tough dude. It was great watching The Iceman drop the hammer on him.

I was rooting for Luke Cummo but it was pretty obvious that unless he miraculously stayed standing during the fight he didn't have much of a shot. Still, last guy picked, he goes all the way to the finals and goes the distance. He earned a lot of respect.

Luke is an animal. He will be fighting again in the UFC. Joe has a bright future. I just want to see chuck bang some more.

[BMF Bronco]

I went to Ortiz' site yesterday and he's apprently banned from the UFC and is starting his own fighting network in Vegas here soon to compete with UFC. He's asking for disaster, UFC is a household name now and is too strong to compete with. I am surprised Pride is still going so well.

[Elway 4 Life]

I went to Ortiz' site yesterday and he's apprently banned from the UFC and is starting his own fighting network in Vegas here soon to compete with UFC. He's asking for disaster, UFC is a household name now and is too strong to compete with. I am surprised Pride is still going so well.

Did they say why he was banned? He has been a staple there for so long.....

[BMF Bronco]

Yeah, pretty sure it did.

[Elway 4 Life]

Yeah, pretty sure it did.

Well alrighty then!

[BMF Bronco]

he and Dana White got into it apparently.

[Elway 4 Life]

he and Dana White got into it apparently.

I just read the whole interview. Never liked tito, he's a good fighter but I never liked him. I like him alot less now.

[BMF Bronco]

I just read the whole interview. Never liked tito, he's a good fighter but I never liked him. I like him alot less now.
He really thugged out!

[Elway 4 Life]

He really thugged out!

I guess that beatin Chuck Gave him knocked something loose upstairs.

[BMF Bronco]

I guess that beatin Chuck Gave him knocked something loose upstairs.
Yeah, knocked the $hit out of him. But the hit Liddel put on Couture was one of the meanest, purest hits I have ever seen!

[Elway 4 Life]

Yeah, knocked the $hit out of him. But the hit Liddel put on Couture was one of the meanest, purest hits I have ever seen!

That kind of shocked me. Randy is still probably walking funny after that hit. I couldnt believe that jeremy horn lasted as long as he did. Chuck was lighting him up all fight. I thought his head would fly off at anytime. He lost but he's a tough mofo.

[BMF Bronco]

That kind of shocked me. Randy is still probably walking funny after that hit. I couldnt believe that jeremy horn lasted as long as he did. Chuck was lighting him up all fight. I thought his head would fly off at anytime. He lost but he's a tough mofo.
hell yeah, horn must have balls the size of jupiter to take that beating!

[Elway 4 Life]

Chuck should be due to fight again soon.

[BMF Bronco]

Probably the next upcoming after 56

[Elway 4 Life]

Chuck looks unstoppable. He has dynomite in his hands.

[El Guapo]

i watched the UFC. It was only my second time doing so, but I think im hooked. Although Im definitely not a long term fan I was sad to see coulture retire. my bud (who has been a fan for years) almost started to tear up.

[Elway 4 Life]

i watched the UFC. It was only my second time doing so, but I think im hooked. Although Im definitely not a long term fan I was sad to see coulture retire. my bud (who has been a fan for years) almost started to tear up.
It was hard to watch them fight again. Both are great ambassadors of the sport. I've watched it on and off for years and now with it going somewhat mainstream I cant get enough. The competition is so fierce.

[Mile High Shack]

So I guess Courture lost?

[BMF Bronco]

It was hard to watch them fight again. Both are great ambassadors of the sport. I've watched it on and off for years and now with it going somewhat mainstream I cant get enough. The competition is so fierce.
Liddell is a ****ing titan!:notworthy

[BMF Bronco]

So I guess Courture lost?
KO in the second round

[Elway 4 Life]

So I guess Courture lost?
Yeah he got chin shocked again. Wasnt as bad as the first fight but he got blasted.

[Elway 4 Life]

Liddell is a ****ing titan!:notworthy
I dont see anyone in the weight class beating him. He is so damn good on his feet.

[BMF Bronco]

I dont see anyone in the weight class beating him. He is so damn good on his feet.
The power of his punches is just astounding! I actually saw him lose to som Pride fighter a while back.

[Mile High Shack]

Yeah he got chin shocked again. Wasnt as bad as the first fight but he got blasted.

what round?

[BMF Bronco]

2nd

[Elway 4 Life]

The power of his punches is just astounding! I actually saw him lose to som Pride fighter a while back.
Quinton jackson beat him. I didnt see the fight though.

[Mile High Shack]

2nd

longer than the last one then

I only catch these on replays b/c I'm too cheap to buy it myself

[Elway 4 Life]

I was kind of surprised to see frank mir get his ass whooped. He looked horrible.

[BMF Bronco]

I was kind of surprised to see frank mir get his ass whooped. He looked horrible.
Yeah, he got the **** kicked out of him!

[BIM]

Who's the heavyweight champion? Is it Tim Sylvia or that russian guy?

[BIM]

Nevermind. It's Arlovski. That dude is a stud!!

[Elway 4 Life]

Who's the heavyweight champion? Is it Tim Sylvia or that russian guy?
Arvlosky

He fights sylvia again coming up soon. I think sylvia will get his ass whopped again. Arvlosky is the most dominant heavyweight out there right now.

[BMF Bronco]

Arvlosky

He fights sylvia again coming up soon. I think sylvia will get his ass whopped again. Arvlosky is the most dominant heavyweight out there right now.
But Sylvia is a ****ing stud, dude didn't even know his arm was broken a couple of fights ago.

[Elway 4 Life]

But Sylvia is a ****ing stud, dude didn't even know his arm was broken a couple of fights ago.
Your right about that. Sylvia is a monster but arvlosky is to much for anyone in that division IMO.

[BIM]

Your right about that. Sylvia is a monster but arvlosky is to much for anyone in that division IMO.

Give me a coupla months!!:strong:

[Elway 4 Life]

Give me a coupla months!!:strong:

14657
6'4"
240 Lbs.

I will pray for you brother!

[BIM]

I'll bite his friggen nose off if I hafta!!:~ohyah!:

[Elway 4 Life]

I'll bite his friggen nose off if I hafta!!:~ohyah!:
You might have a chance if you do that. I would take a ball bat with me just in case you missed his nose. I believe in being prepared.

[Elway 4 Life]

I think the BJ Penn and George St Pierre coming up next month might be the fight of the year.

[BMF Bronco]

He (BIM) is a puss!

[BIM]

He (BIM) is a puss!

Ask BMF who makes him cry!! Little brothers hafta talk big to impress others. It's okay though. He knows deep in his heart who's his idol!!:wiggle:

[DB-Freak]

Sad day for the UFC.

I was seriously hoping for Randy to win.

With that loss, the talent of UFC dwindles down.

[BMF Bronco]

Ask BMF who makes him cry!! Little brothers hafta talk big to impress others. It's okay though. He knows deep in his heart who's his idol!!:wiggle:
Nah, it was his time to retire, no sense in continuing to get his ass kicked by a younger stronger opponant like Liddell

[El Guapo]

I was kind of surprised to see frank mir get his ass whooped. He looked horrible.

no kidding... i was rooting for that guy. (he was the guy that got the cut next to his eye, right? If so, what a mess. The other guy just kept working on that cut, that was sad. ha)

[Elway 4 Life]

Sad day for the UFC.

I was seriously hoping for Randy to win.

With that loss, the talent of UFC dwindles down.
?

[RunByDesign]

Liddell is a top 3 striker in the world, but he too, is getting old. His peak will not last too much longer and he should make some big money fights while he is still on top and get out of this contract with Dana White, who will just keep feeding him tomato cans, trying to milk every last dollar out of the uneducated American audiences, while never exposing Lidell to world-class competetition.

The next fights for Lidell should be:

1 - Rematch with Rampage
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua

He could cement his legacy with three wins right there, but White will rerun Babalu and other various cans instead. Truth be told, Couture has been in severe decline for 3 years now and Lidells' last 2 wins over him have done nothing for him (Lidell), IMO.

[BMF Bronco]

Liddell is a top 3 striker in the world, but he too, is getting old. His peak will not last too much longer and he should make some big money fights while he is still on top and get out of this contract with Dana White, who will just keep feeding him tomato cans, trying to milk every last dollar out of the uneducated American audiences, while never exposing Lidell to world-class competetition.

The next fights for Lidell should be:

1 - Rematch with Rampage
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua

He could cement his legacy with three wins right there, but White will rerun Babalu and other various cans instead. Truth be told, Couture has been in severe decline for 3 years now and Lidells' last 2 wins over him have done nothing for him (Lidell), IMO.

He was supposed to fight wanderlei before his last bout with Couture but some "scheduling" conflict came up and they relaced wanderlei with the bleach blond punching bag the lidell beat the hell out of.

[RunByDesign]

He was supposed to fight wanderlei before his last bout with Couture but some "scheduling" conflict came up and they relaced wanderlei with the bleach blond punching bag the lidell beat the hell out of.

Niether one of these organnizations (Pride, UFC) want to put their poster boys up for annihilation without some serious monetary compensation.

With that taken into consideration, I would be extremely suprised if a fight comes off anywhere in the near future.

[BMF Bronco]

Niether one of these organnizations (Pride, UFC) want to put their poster boys up for annihilation without some serious monetary compensation.

With that taken into consideration, I would be extremely suprised if a fight comes off anywhere in the near future.
Lidell fought, and lost, to some light heavyweight from Pride not too long ago, but yeah I hear what your saying.

[Elway 4 Life]

Liddell is a top 3 striker in the world, but he too, is getting old. His peak will not last too much longer and he should make some big money fights while he is still on top and get out of this contract with Dana White, who will just keep feeding him tomato cans, trying to milk every last dollar out of the uneducated American audiences, while never exposing Lidell to world-class competetition.

The next fights for Lidell should be:

1 - Rematch with Rampage
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua

He could cement his legacy with three wins right there, but White will rerun Babalu and other various cans instead. Truth be told, Couture has been in severe decline for 3 years now and Lidells' last 2 wins over him have done nothing for him (Lidell), IMO.

Babalu a tomatoe can? Chuck is on fire and rampage wouldnt last against him in a cage. Silva also would get thumped. Chuck fights all comers and the UFC is a far superior organization than pride. If some of those pride fighters were smart they would come over.

[BIM]

I had a debate with a coupla friends. They were trying to tell me a world class boxer would kick a world class UFC fighters ass any day of the week. It was useless. We almost came to blows because I wanted to prove a point that boxers can't fight as well off their feet.

Any opinions here?

[Elway 4 Life]

I had a debate with a coupla friends. They were trying to tell me a world class boxer would kick a world class UFC fighters ass any day of the week. It was useless. We almost came to blows because I wanted to prove a point that boxers can't fight as well off their feet.

Any opinions here?
The best boxer in the world would lose. Stand up is just one aspect of the game. If you go into the ring with just boxing and your fighting a guy that is a world class wrestler, well-versed in BJJ, has good submissions, and also can box, that guy is gonna win unless he gets caught on his feet. Which the chances are almost nil.

It's kind of like bringing just a knife to an anything goes fight.

[BIM]

Those were my sentiments exactly. I guess the only way to settle the arguement is to knock that mutherF#$%er out.

[Elway 4 Life]

Those were my sentiments exactly. I guess the only way to settle the arguement is to knock that mutherF#$%er out.

I have had the same arguement. To a boxing fanatic it's pointless to argue.

I think very few boxers could crossover to MMA and be sucessful.

[BIM]

I have had the same arguement. To a boxing fanatic it's pointless to argue.

I think very few boxers could crossover to MMA and be sucessful.

Here here!!

[Elway 4 Life]

I would love to see a boxer vs. mma fight just to see how long the boxer would last. My prediction would be about a minute.

[BIM]

I'll go with the under...

[Elway 4 Life]

I'll go with the under...
Hilarious!
Safe bet!

[BMF Bronco]

**** man, a boxer cant beat a wrestler, I have proven that point many times over!

[Elway 4 Life]

**** man, a boxer cant beat a wrestler, I have proven that point many times over!
Not just a wrestler but someone with a BJJ background. fuggitaboutit

The boxer will be screaming for mommy inside of 2 minutes.

[Elway 4 Life]

It like asking a wrestler to fight a boxer with boxing rules. The wrestler is gonna be fvcked.

[BMF Bronco]

It like asking a wrestler to fight a boxer with boxing rules. The wrestler is gonna be fvcked.
yeah, but a wrestler isn't stupid enough to agree with that, nor would he get himself into that situation.

then again, look at Rocky 3, Hulk Hogan was beating the **** out of Rocky!

LOL

[RunByDesign]

Babalu a tomatoe can? Chuck is on fire and rampage wouldnt last against him in a cage. Silva also would get thumped. Chuck fights all comers and the UFC is a far superior organization than pride. If some of those pride fighters were smart they would come over.

LOL @ "UFC is a far superior organization."

Fact is, Pride pays its fighters more, has more fans (worldwide audience), is more condusive to entertaining fights, because of the way the rules are written and the way matches are made. Pride events regularly perform to sold-out audiences of 60,000+. While UFC has caught fire recently, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is a far superior organization.

UFC has a bad habit of employing also-rans, retreads and glorifying home-grown, club-level champions. While that is fine, it hardly provides world-class competition for its champions - who I agree, are some of the best in the world, but that really isn't the point. The point is, to perform against and defeat the best, in the best event in the world, which is Pride.

While Pride regularly makes championship weight-match fights, it also employs a Grand Prix, which determines a champion over the course of two seperate events. Multiple fights must be won in one night, to attain the championship, which is the ultimate test of a fighters will and skill. Pride also employs an open weight fight system, in which the smaller man chooses a set of rules. Alternately, Pride Bushido events reflect some of these similar rules and are shorter, more entertaining, by virtue of fight purses being deducted for stalling. Pride rules are crafted in a way which fighters have to fight to get paid, plain and simple.

Now, while Chuck is certainly on a roll, consider this, in his only Grand Prix competition, he utterly failed. Now, judging him by this baseline is in no way relevant to the present, but by virtue of Pride being a better MMA event from the ground up, saying Chuck would run through so and so and so and so, carries little weight, especially if you put him up against the best in the world in one night.

Pray tell, would he still dominate everyone?

[Elway 4 Life]

yeah, but a wrestler isn't stupid enough to agree with that, nor would he get himself into that situation.

then again, look at Rocky 3, Hulk Hogan was beating the **** out of Rocky!

LOL
Your right about that. No way would a wrestler agree to that. Wrestlers are much more intelligent as a whole than boxers.

[Elway 4 Life]

LOL @ "UFC is a far superior organization."

Fact is, Pride pays its fighters more, has more fans (worldwide audience), is more condusive to entertaining fights, because of the way the rules are written and the way matches are made. Pride events regularly perform to sold-out audiences of 60,000+. While UFC has caught fire recently, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is a far superior organization.

UFC has a bad habit of employing also-rans, retreads and glorifying home-grown, club-level champions. While that is fine, it hardly provides world-class competition for its champions - who I agree, are some of the best in the world, but that really isn't the point. The point is, to perform against and defeat the best, in the best event in the world, which is Pride.

While Pride regularly makes championship weight-match fights, it also employs a Grand Prix, which determines a champion over the course of two seperate events. Multiple fights must be won in one night, to attain the championship, which is the ultimate test of a fighters will and skill. Pride also employs an open weight fight system, in which the smaller man chooses a set of rules. Alternately, Pride Bushido events reflect some of these similar rules and are shorter, more entertaining, by virtue of fight purses being deducted for stalling. Pride rules are crafted in a way which fighters have to fight to get paid, plain and simple.

Now, while Chuck is certainly on a roll, consider this, in his only Grand Prix competition, he utterly failed. Now, judging him by this baseline is in no way relevant to the present, but by virtue of Pride being a better MMA event from the ground up, saying Chuck would run through so and so and so and so, carries little weight, especially if you put him up against the best in the world in one night.

Pray tell, would he still dominate everyone?

Pride is more worldwide I'll give you that but if they dont do something soon they will lose out to the UFC. UFC has gone mainstream in the US and Canada and soon will reach out further. Not to long ago I would agree with you about the pay but not now. The endorsements that the UFC fighters are picking up are huge. There are some fighters in the UFC that would dominate in any organization. Pride has some good fighters as well but they are quickly falling behind as an organization.

[RunByDesign]

Pride has some good fighters as well but they are quickly falling behind as an organization.

UFC is gaining in popularity in the United States and Canada, no doubt, but Pride is popular throughout the MMA communities of the WORLD, whether it be Muay Thai, Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, Jui Jitsu, Submission Grappling, San Shou Kickboxing, or other various forms of MMA, it is known, revered as the #1 event and respected as THE proving ground.

With a Heavyweight Champion (Emelenianko) widely considered the best in the world, a legend for a middleweight champ (Silva) and a new Grand Prix Champion that just tore through 4 of the top 10 205 lb. fighters in the world (Rua), en route to the Grand Prix Championship, kindly explain how they are falling behind?

I unerstand the popularity and monetary gain for the UFC, but they are seriously lacking in credibility, when it comes to employing the world's best fighters. Their champions are solid, no doubt, outside of that, there leaves alot to be desired.

No wonder their champions are so dominant.

[Elway 4 Life]

UFC is gaining in popularity in the United States and Canada, no doubt, but Pride is popular throughout the MMA communities of the WORLD, whether it be Muay Thai, Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, Jui Jitsu, Submission Grappling, San Shou Kickboxing, or other various forms of MMA, it is known, revered as the #1 event and respected as THE proving ground.

With a Heavyweight Champion (Emelenianko) widely considered the best in the world, a legend for a middleweight champ (Silva) and a new Grand Prix Champion that just tore through 4 of the top 10 205 lb. fighters in the world (Rua), en route to the Grand Prix Championship, kindly explain how they are falling behind?

I unerstand the popularity and monetary gain for the UFC, but they are seriously lacking in credibility, when it comes to employing the world's best fighters. Their champions are solid, no doubt, outside of that, there leaves alot to be desired.

No wonder their champions are so dominant.
Rua is a very good fighter that got beat by either babalu or horn in a tourney a couple months ago that babalu eventually beat horn to win. There are a lot of very good pride fighters no doubt. But to say that after the title holders there are few contenders is ridiculous.

I'm gonna just pick the welterweight division in the UFC. Hughes is an animal and can be considered top in any organization. After him you have 2 really great fighters in st pierre and bj penn. I'd put money on either one of these 3 against any welterweight in pride.

[RunByDesign]

Rua is a very good fighter that got beat by either babalu or horn in a tourney a couple months ago that babalu eventually beat horn to win. There are a lot of very good pride fighters no doubt. But to say that after the title holders there are few contenders is ridiculous.

Actually, it was nearly three years ago: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=5707


I'm gonna just pick the welterweight division in the UFC. Hughes is an animal and can be considered top in any organization. After him you have 2 really great fighters in st pierre and bj penn. I'd put money on either one of these 3 against any welterweight in pride.

That is because, that is the one division where the UFC actually probably has superior champions and competition. The 3 fighters you listed are top 5 in the world, easily. That, and I think that Rich Franklin (185), is under-rated. I would like to see him fight some more good competition, and with his frame, I think he could easily fight at 205, maybe challenging Lidell.

In any regard, the lower weight divisions in the UFC, are its stongest classes, IMO.

[RunByDesign]

I'm as excited about the UFC as the next guy, I just think that overall, Pride is a much more entertaining and better event, from the ground up.

Needless to say, I am especially entertained and excited about some of the new faces in the UFC.

WAR FORREST GRIFFIN!!!! Woop Titos' ass!!

[Elway 4 Life]

I'm as excited about the UFC as the next guy, I just think that overall, Pride is a much more entertaining and better event, from the ground up.

Needless to say, I am especially entertained and excited about some of the new faces in the UFC.

WAR FORREST GRIFFIN!!!! Woop Titos' ass!!
We definatley agree that MMA rules. I have a buddy that I grew up with that fights all over mostly in K-1 and he is a gimmick more than anything. He's huge and that's about all he has going for him. I've seen him on a few pride cards. Bob Sapp would be the feller I'm talking about. I would like to see both pride and the UFC to come to some agreement and fight through cross organization. This way we the fans win.:yayaya:

I'm with you on forrest, i cant stand tito and was so happy chuck whopped his ass.

[RunByDesign]

We definatley agree that MMA rules. I have a buddy that I grew up with that fights all over mostly in K-1 and he is a gimmick more than anything. He's huge and that's about all he has going for him. I've seen him on a few pride cards. Bob Sapp would be the feller I'm talking about. I would like to see both pride and the UFC to come to some agreement and fight through cross organization. This way we the fans win.:yayaya:

I'm with you on forrest, i cant stand tito and was so happy chuck whopped his ass.

You know Bob Sapp?

Serious?

[DB-Freak]

I'm not a big fan of the UFC rules.

The rules favor wrestling and BJJ way too much.

[Rocket 7]

LOL @ "UFC is a far superior organization."

Fact is, Pride pays its fighters more, has more fans (worldwide audience), is more condusive to entertaining fights, because of the way the rules are written and the way matches are made. Pride events regularly perform to sold-out audiences of 60,000+. While UFC has caught fire recently, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is a far superior organization.

UFC has a bad habit of employing also-rans, retreads and glorifying home-grown, club-level champions. While that is fine, it hardly provides world-class competition for its champions - who I agree, are some of the best in the world, but that really isn't the point. The point is, to perform against and defeat the best, in the best event in the world, which is Pride.

While Pride regularly makes championship weight-match fights, it also employs a Grand Prix, which determines a champion over the course of two seperate events. Multiple fights must be won in one night, to attain the championship, which is the ultimate test of a fighters will and skill. Pride also employs an open weight fight system, in which the smaller man chooses a set of rules. Alternately, Pride Bushido events reflect some of these similar rules and are shorter, more entertaining, by virtue of fight purses being deducted for stalling. Pride rules are crafted in a way which fighters have to fight to get paid, plain and simple.

Now, while Chuck is certainly on a roll, consider this, in his only Grand Prix competition, he utterly failed. Now, judging him by this baseline is in no way relevant to the present, but by virtue of Pride being a better MMA event from the ground up, saying Chuck would run through so and so and so and so, carries little weight, especially if you put him up against the best in the world in one night.

Pray tell, would he still dominate everyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLVzhvZqFc&search=ufc

[DB-Freak]

The guy can't even spell reflex right.

That video is crap and biased as **** and I'm a bigger pride fan than UFC.

[Rocket 7]

The guy can't even spell reflex right.

That video is crap and biased as **** and I'm a bigger pride fan than UFC.
I agree

[RunByDesign]

The guy can't even spell reflex right.

That video is crap and biased as **** and I'm a bigger pride fan than UFC.

That and I wouldn't classify Aleksander Emelianenko as "Pride Heavyweight Elite."

Fedor Emelianenko, of course...little brother "Glass Jaw Aleks"...no.

[DB-Freak]

I would like to see Knees on downed opponent's body and soccer kicks allowed.

I wont say knee to the head or stomps cause when you get caught in the corner of the cage and get stomped, its going to be a problem.

[Elway 4 Life]

You know Bob Sapp?

Serious?
Grew up with him in the springs. Went to jr high and high school together.

[Elway 4 Life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLVzhvZqFc&search=ufc
The only problem I have with this video is the perdro/arvlovski fight was almost 4 years ago. Arlovski is a much better fighter now.

[Elway 4 Life]

Question for the MMA folks out there. Is Diego Sanchez for real? He's looked good so far but Nick Diaz is the only opponent worth mentioning.

[DB-Freak]

Diego is for real.

The guy is no pushover for sure.

[Elway 4 Life]

Diego is for real.

The guy is no pushover for sure.
I want to see him fight another tough opponent. Nick diaz is good but he needs to learn to control his emotions

[BMF Bronco]

isn't Diego in the same weight class is George St. Pierre? Now that's a fight I would love to see.

[Elway 4 Life]

isn't Diego in the same weight class is George St. Pierre? Now that's a fight I would love to see.
Or BJ Penn. I dont think diego is ready for either one of them yet.

[BMF Bronco]

Or BJ Penn. I dont think diego is ready for either one of them yet.
Nah, he'd get throttled!

[BIM]

Hey BMF, check your fugging email!!!!

[Elway 4 Life]

Nah, he'd get throttled!
I'm so excited about the st piere/penn fight. That could be the fight of the year.

[scorpio]

Grew up with him in the springs. Went to jr high and high school together.


Best Bob Sapp fight video ever (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5250971845178619832&q=bob+sapp)

You will NOT regret clicking on this link.

[Elway 4 Life]

Best Bob Sapp fight video ever (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5250971845178619832&q=bob+sapp)

You will NOT regret clicking on this link.
That was hilarious. Thanks

[Elway 4 Life]

Alright now who do you think won the Tito/Forrest fight? I think it could have gone either way. I think Tito is done for a good long time now.

[Rocket 7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Whl2Y-XR4&search=ufc

[BMF Bronco]

Alright now who do you think won the Tito/Forrest fight? I think it could have gone either way. I think Tito is done for a good long time now.
tito beat him to a pulp that first round, Forrest had a slight edge the second and tito won the third, hands down. Yes, Forrest may have had the takedown defense in the latter rounds but he didn't really have any solid scoring offense in the last round, hell Tito looked like the better puncher in that last round. The takedown in the end solidified the win.

But how about the Sylvia/Arlovski fight?! Damn I thought sylvia was done, looked exactly like last time, excpet for he got up quicker then that punch, holy shiite!

[Elway 4 Life]

I was shocked that sylvia was still concious after that hit. The way it sounded, I thought for sure sylvia's jaw was broken.

I think that forrest earned some stripes in that fight. I think Tito was lucky to win that fight. I think he did but there was doubt in his face when they announced the winner. He may be back as far as back in the UFC but I wasnt that impressed with him.

I cant wait until arvloski/sylvia III. I think arvloski will come back with a vengence.

[BMF Bronco]

I was shocked that sylvia was still concious after that hit. The way it sounded, I thought for sure sylvia's jaw was broken.

I think that forrest earned some stripes in that fight. I think Tito was lucky to win that fight. I think he did but there was doubt in his face when they announced the winner. He may be back as far as back in the UFC but I wasnt that impressed with him.

I cant wait until arvloski/sylvia III. I think arvloski will come back with a vengence.
Yeah, sylvia/arlovski is the next liddell/couture! And as far as Tito, dude was fighting w/ a blown out knee, can't ask for much more. Don't get me wrong, Forrest fought a hell of a fight and I cannot wait to see his future in this sport but man, tito is the ****!

[scorpio]

Yeah, sylvia/arlovski is the next liddell/couture! And as far as Tito, dude was fighting w/ a blown out knee, can't ask for much more. Don't get me wrong, Forrest fought a hell of a fight and I cannot wait to see his future in this sport but man, tito is the ****!


Forrest had a bum ankle in that fight too. Also, Tito gave Ken Shamrock no credit at all for having a blown knee last time they fought, so I don't think he deserves any special consideration.

WAR Tim Sylvia

[BMF Bronco]

Forrest had a bum ankle in that fight too. Also, Tito gave Ken Shamrock no credit at all for having a blown knee last time they fought, so I don't think he deserves any special consideration.

WAR Tim Sylvia
Difference being, Tito still won!

[Boobs McGee]

Watched a badass fight on Spike TV last night. Tanner beat the CRAP out of someone (can't remember the other guys name)....this young dude was a supposed badass, came out throwin all kinds of superman punches. He even got Tanner in a guillotine? but couldn't finish it. THEN, tanner just started pounding away. It was great. Tanner looked like a badass.

Can't wait to see that gracie fight.....should be one for the ages

[BMF Bronco]

Watched a badass fight on Spike TV last night. Tanner beat the CRAP out of someone (can't remember the other guys name)....this young dude was a supposed badass, came out throwin all kinds of superman punches. He even got Tanner in a guillotine? but couldn't finish it. THEN, tanner just started pounding away. It was great. Tanner looked like a badass.

Can't wait to see that gracie fight.....should be one for the ages
that was david terrell, he was talking mad **** before that fight and Tanner put a spanking on that boy! That's before tanner got throttled by Loaizo and Franklin.

[Elway 4 Life]

that was david terrell, he was talking mad **** before that fight and Tanner put a spanking on that boy! That's before tanner got throttled by Loaizo and Franklin.
That fight suprised me because Terell is a beast. He fought on the undercard on this last PPV and choked out Scott Smith in the 1st round. Tanner looked better in this fight than he's looked in a long time.

[scorpio]

That fight suprised me because Terell is a beast. He fought on the undercard on this last PPV and choked out Scott Smith in the 1st round. Tanner looked better in this fight than he's looked in a long time.


No way, nothing can beat Evan Tanner sporting the dreads.


Ohhh...you mean his FIGHTING looked better

[Smiling Assassin27]

I hadn't seen Loaizo fight until he ripped up Tanner (new to the sport) but who thinks he can take Franklin?

[BMF Bronco]

I hadn't seen Loaizo fight until he ripped up Tanner (new to the sport) but who thinks he can take Franklin?
They fought last ufc (58) and Franklin tore him up, I mean beat him BAD!! With a broken hand and everything.

[Elway 4 Life]

Franklin is the elite in that weight class. I thought loiseau would have given him a better fight but he just got his ass stomped. Franklin is an absolute beast.

[scorpio]

Franklin is the elite in that weight class. I thought loiseau would have given him a better fight but he just got his ass stomped. Franklin is an absolute beast.


heheheh, I remember thinking before the Shamrock/Franklin fight (on the first Ultimate Fight Night I think), "Man, Shamrock is going to work this scrub."

:giggle:

[Elway 4 Life]

heheheh, I remember thinking before the Shamrock/Franklin fight (on the first Ultimate Fight Night I think), "Man, Shamrock is going to work this scrub."

:giggle:
I thought the exact same thing.

[fdf]

i watched the UFC. It was only my second time doing so, but I think im hooked. Although Im definitely not a long term fan I was sad to see coulture retire. my bud (who has been a fan for years) almost started to tear up.

I've been a UFC fan for years. But I like the Pride fights even better. They are in a boxing ring, not the octagon. Too many UFC fights are determined by who pushes who against the wall first on the ground. Once against the wall, the fights get really boring. Pride takes away the wall and has a lot of great fighters. Plus, they pay their fighters more and treat them better.

[scorpio]

I've been a UFC fan for years. But I like the Pride fights even better. They are in a boxing ring, not the octagon. Too many UFC fights are determined by who pushes who against the wall first on the ground. Once against the wall, the fights get really boring. Pride takes away the wall and has a lot of great fighters. Plus, they pay their fighters more and treat them better.

I think the average Pride match is definitely more fun to watch than the average UFC match. especially them really little guys, they make me laugh. I think a lot of it is that Pride often has more lopsided matches.

[BMF Bronco]

I think the average Pride match is definitely more fun to watch than the average UFC match. especially them really little guys, they make me laugh. I think a lot of it is that Pride often has more lopsided matches.
I think pride is where the UFC cast offs go to try to make it big, Mark Coleman, that dick head from New York (cant remember his name off hand), Vanderlei Silvia, etc

[scorpio]

Here's a nifty shot from the Sylvia/AA fight

[BMF Bronco]

Here's a nifty shot from the Sylvia/AA fight
My goodness.

[Boobs McGee]

diaaaaaaaaaaamn

So, I'm really just starting to take an interest in this sport. I've always been a bit of a fan, but now i find myself recording fights, looking up fighters bios...etc etc.

Here's a quick question. Does Hoyce stay undefeated?, or does Hughes magically find some way to beat the biggest legend in the sport?

[scorpio]

diaaaaaaaaaaamn

So, I'm really just starting to take an interest in this sport. I've always been a bit of a fan, but now i find myself recording fights, looking up fighters bios...etc etc.

Here's a quick question. Does Hoyce stay undefeated?, or does Hughes magically find some way to beat the biggest legend in the sport?


Hughes will not have to do anything magical to beat Royce, it's a silly exhibition matchup. The game has evolved a lot since Royce's last UFC match, I don't expect Hughes to have any serious trouble beating him.

[Boobs McGee]

Hughes will not have to do anything magical to beat Royce, it's a silly exhibition matchup. The game has evolved a lot since Royce's last UFC match, I don't expect Hughes to have any serious trouble beating him.

I'm a bit of a royce homer i guess...the first time I ever really saw a ufc type fight was some really old footage of gracie, so I've been a fan of his for a while. The family name's been getting a beating lately though, so I wonder how motivating it is for him. He's gettin pretty old.
Never really seen Hughes fight before. Is he a good grappler? ALl of the clips i've seen show his power, and only a few chokes.

Think it'll be worth ppv?

[scorpio]

I'm a bit of a royce homer i guess...the first time I ever really saw a ufc type fight was some really old footage of gracie, so I've been a fan of his for a while. The family name's been getting a beating lately though, so I wonder how motivating it is for him. He's gettin pretty old.
Never really seen Hughes fight before. Is he a good grappler? ALl of the clips i've seen show his power, and only a few chokes.

Think it'll be worth ppv?

Hughes is good, but he is a major asshole. He's mostly a wrestler and not considered real great with submissions (although he has submitted people). Hughes finishes a lot of fights by picking people up, slamming them down on their head against the cage, and then beating them unconcious. Seems to work pretty good.

I'll definitely get it on PPV.

[Boobs McGee]

Hughes is good, but he is a major a-hole. He's mostly a wrestler and not considered real great with submissions (although he has submitted people). Hughes finishes a lot of fights by picking people up, slamming them down on their head against the cage, and then beating them unconcious. Seems to work pretty good.

I'll definitely get it on PPV.
LOL

:thumbs:

that definitely seals the deal for me!

[Elway 4 Life]

I guess i disagree with most in that I think Hughes will have to be on his game in order to beat gracie. He is older but he is jiu-jitsu. He will twist matt up into a pretzel if he is not careful. I think matt must keep it standing in order to win. If he tries to wrestle gracie he is gonna get caught in some sort of submission. I think it will be a good fight. I'm curious to see who will be on the undercard.

[scorpio]

I just read that Hughes vs. Gracie is going to be 5 minute rounds. IMO that evens things up quite a bit; give Matt a chance to get tired and Royce has a much better chance to tap him.

[scorpio]

Here's a vid of an old-school Royce Gracie underground fight.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/652/

[mosca]

Here's a quick question. Does Hoyce stay undefeated?, or does Hughes magically find some way to beat the biggest legend in the sport?
royce gracie is not undefeated... he has lost to both sakuraba and yoshida (though that one's controversial) and officially to harold howard, tho that was actually a forfeit due to injury from a previous fight, during one of the pride GPs.

that said, i think that hughes is gonna dominate this fight... he's younger, stronger, and faster, and at the top of his game right now. as long as he doesn't get overconfident. royce could sneak something in, though... i'm a big gracie fan so it'll be awesome to see how he stacks up this late in his career against one of the current best.

[BMF Bronco]

Hey, I missed The Ultimate Fighter on Thursday, what happened and who has the control?

[mosca]

the talll skinny kid from hawaii... more or less a grappler/submissions expert, can't remember his name... he beat the short british brawler dude. dominated the whole fight and ended it in round one w/ a rear naked choke. so team ortiz (team punishment) retains control. i predict that they're gonna come out on top this season. team shamrock is looking really outcoached right now.

[BMF Bronco]

the talll skinny kid from hawaii... more or less a grappler/submissions expert, can't remember his name... he beat the short british brawler dude. dominated the whole fight and ended it in round one w/ a rear naked choke. so team ortiz (team punishment) retains control. i predict that they're gonna come out on top this season. team shamrock is looking really outcoached right now.
Right on! Thanks bro, although, i just noticed they are playing the replay on Spike tonight at 9 MST.

[Elway 4 Life]

Shamrock is getting completely out coached. I have never liked Tito but he sure is gaining my respect. Ken on the other hand is a putz. His team doesnt even respect him.

[Elway 4 Life]

Ultimate fighter last night was very entertaining. Solomon talked enough trash for the entire season and then got knocked out by a male nurse. What a focker!

[DB-Freak]

I think the average Pride match is definitely more fun to watch than the average UFC match. especially them really little guys, they make me laugh. I think a lot of it is that Pride often has more lopsided matches.
I love lightweights. Fast, hard, nonstop, and technical.

The thing is most of them are around average or below average height(some even above average with likes of Josh Thompson who is 5' 10") , but just skinny as hell or cut alot of weight.

[DB-Freak]

I'm a bit of a royce homer i guess...the first time I ever really saw a ufc type fight was some really old footage of gracie, so I've been a fan of his for a while. The family name's been getting a beating lately though, so I wonder how motivating it is for him. He's gettin pretty old.
Never really seen Hughes fight before. Is he a good grappler? ALl of the clips i've seen show his power, and only a few chokes.

Think it'll be worth ppv?
Hughes is plenty versed in submission wrestling after getting taken to school by Dennis Hallman twice in a row and BJ Penn.

His wins over Carlos Newton showed that he has at least pretty good submission defense.

[Elway 4 Life]

Hughes is plenty versed in submission wrestling after getting taken to school by Dennis Hallman twice in a row and BJ Penn.

His wins over Carlos Newton showed that he has at least pretty good submission defense.
The only knock I have on Gracie is that he's not as well rounded as Hughes. He has some sick jiu jitsu but his stand up game is weak.

[mosca]

this fight is going to be fun to watch, but i fully expect hughes to take it to the house on gracie. i have a ton of respect for gracie and have always rooted for him, but he's just too old... hughes is younger, stronger, faster, hits a hell of a lot harder, and can hold his own on the ground with his wrestling experience.

it's going to be like watching muhummad ali come back and fight larry holmes... we all rooted for ali but eventually it got ugly and the old man was taken down by the new top dog.

[DB-Freak]

Actually I think this fight might become a bore since Gracie is the great neutralizer.

[Elway 4 Life]

Actually I think this fight might become a bore since Gracie is the great neutralizer.
That's what I'm worried about. They are hyping this fight so much and the fighting styles to me will make a boring fight.

[mosca]

Ultimate fighter last night was very entertaining. Solomon talked enough trash for the entire season and then got knocked out by a male nurse. What a focker!
Just caught the rerun tonite on Spike... Wow, what a great fight. Team dagger got punked. I couldn't believe that Rory stayed alive thru the whole thing, he looked like a deer in headlights for the whole fight... got pretty lucky grazing Solomon's head with his knee on that leg kick, looked like. Still great to see a smack-talker get beat down.

[mosca]

Any comment on Shamrock's genius move to try to start **** w/ Tito in order to motivate his team? That whole thing looked staged... even Ken looked like he was trying hard to keep a straight face. He looked like a moron.

[Elway 4 Life]

Any comment on Shamrock's genius move to try to start **** w/ Tito in order to motivate his team? That whole thing looked staged... even Ken looked like he was trying hard to keep a straight face. He looked like a moron.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Ken is a moron. If it wasnt staged he is the biggest knucklehead to ever fight in the UFC.

[DB-Freak]

Just caught the rerun tonite on Spike... Wow, what a great fight. Team dagger got punked. I couldn't believe that Rory stayed alive thru the whole thing, he looked like a deer in headlights for the whole fight... got pretty lucky grazing Solomon's head with his knee on that leg kick, looked like. Still great to see a smack-talker get beat down.
That fight was a slop-fest.

None of them did much expect the big slam and the knee kick.

Quality of the fight was disappointing.

[BIM]

I was accepted to fight in UFC in Billings yesterday. I'm totally stoked. Any advise?

[mosca]

That fight was a slop-fest.

None of them did much expect the big slam and the knee kick.

Quality of the fight was disappointing.
i guess the fight itself wasn't that great. pretty mediocre. just the part where solomon lost was. ;D

[Elway 4 Life]

I was accepted to fight in UFC in Billings yesterday. I'm totally stoked. Any advise?
Don't get hit!:~ohyah!:

[BMF Bronco]

Just caught the replay last night, I love how Solomon was talking incessant **** and when the fight was done, he has to ask who won!!!!!!!!

[KipCorrington25]

It never fails, the guy who talks all the trash loses, you have to love a sport like that.

[scorpio]

I have tremendous respect for Ken Shamrock (and not very big fan of Tito), but I think Rory won that fight due to superior coaching and good advice from his corner. Rory was getting getting worked until Tito pointed out that Soloman was dropping his arms and to look for a high kick...then BAM!

[Elway 4 Life]

I have tremendous respect for Ken Shamrock (and not very big fan of Tito), but I think Rory won that fight due to superior coaching and good advice from his corner. Rory was getting getting worked until Tito pointed out that Soloman was dropping his arms and to look for a high kick...then BAM!
Not to mention Tito's guys are in much better shape. Solomon was out of gas when the first round ended. I cant stand Tito but he is showing he is the better coach.

[BMF Bronco]

and the better fighter.

[Elway 4 Life]

For got that part as well........

[DB-Freak]

Well today's eps sucked balls.

Only Dana's "I don't give a ****." made that show barely bearable.

[mosca]

yeah, not having a fight at the end was pretty anti-climactic. so who's gonna replace noah? i'd guess it'll be that kid he got in an armbar earlier.

[Pendejo]

yeah, not having a fight at the end was pretty anti-climactic. so who's gonna replace noah? i'd guess it'll be that kid he got in an armbar earlier.

No kidding. The show is called "The Ultimate Fighter"..."Not the Ultimate Weenie."

They could have spent about 10 seconds on that nonsense instead of stretching out the fight into next week. Without a fight the show is a piss poor soap opera.

Not that it matters, but if they pull that sh!t again I'll simply stop watching.

[El Guapo]

I hope solomon comes back. team dagger! :)

[Elway 4 Life]

I was kind hopin for Dana to jump on Noah and choke him out or armbar him or somethin. There better be 2 flippin fights next week to make up for that BS last night.

[KipCorrington25]

Glad to see a backlash for the lack of a fight last night. I was pissed too, I was fVckin pissed, TUF fVckin quit, they fVckin quit last night by not showing a fight, bad decision.

By the way, I was trying to say that in the way Dana White would, he is the man.

[BMF Bronco]

ahh ****ers, what happened, why did noah leave?!

[Elway 4 Life]

Yep he quit cause his girlfriend of 6 months thought he cheated on her. Not to mention there was no frickin fight.

[BMF Bronco]

glad I missed it! So it's going to be Josh against Tait next week?

[Elway 4 Life]

yep! Should be a good fight.

[BMF Bronco]

Tait is the personal body guard for Joe Rogan, think there was a bit of influence on his entry to the competition?

[Elway 4 Life]

Could have been.........

Josh trains with team quest so he should be a gamer. Tait is a pretty big ol' boy. Doesnt really mean to much in the fight game but........