No TrINT & others on O For Chefs vs Choakland?

[broncosteven]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5052234

BTW My Thoughts are with TrINT's family for their loss.

Green misses another practice for Chiefs
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - Coach Dick Vermeil raised the possibility Thursday that quarterback Trent Green may not start for Kansas City on Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.

Green was in St. Louis on Wednesday for funeral services for his father and was expected to return the next day and dive into game preparation. But Vermeil said Green also was absent from a practice on Thursday that was scaled-down, anyway, because of the injuries that have hit both the offense and defense.
Vermeil declined to address the question when asked if backup Todd Collins might start.

"I'm not going to say," he told reporters at his post-practice news conference.

Green has made a team-record 71 straight starts and been one of the most efficient passers in the league since coming over from St. Louis in a trade in 2001.

Jim Green died suddenly at the age of 58 on Oct. 27. Three days later, in a display of courage and professionalism that drew praise from both teams, his son had his best game of the year, throwing for 347 yards and two touchdowns against San Diego.

But Vermeil acknowledged he was concerned about Green trying to start against the Raiders after missing so much practice time this week.

"I'll have to talk with him about it," he said. "When he gets in, we'll discuss it."

The Chiefs run a complicated system that utilizes different shifts and motions, and even a veteran such as Green would have much to digest in just a couple of days.

"We aren't doing anything he hasn't done before within the offense. Now, he might not have done it the last two or three weeks or four weeks or whatever," Vermeil said.

"We have a huge volume of offense that's been coached all through the (offseason) and the minicamp and training camp that he's been involved in. I just want to see how he feels and then go from there."

In the meantime, many of Green's key teammates are hobbled and may not be ready for the Raiders. Left tackle Willie Roaf was downgraded from probable to questionable when he aggravated a hamstring injury that sidelined him for more than three games earlier this year.

Cornerback Patrick Surtain said he's only 50-50 because of a knee injury. And running back Priest Holmes was in California seeing a neurological specialist about the blow he took to the head last week that caused what was described as mild head trauma.

"They're not all out yet," Vermeil said.

More here:http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5052234

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Green and Holmes will play. I'd bet my life savings on it.

Not sure on the others.

[broncosteven]

I bet Quitterson asks to sit out after team meetings on Saturday night.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I bet Quitterson asks to sit out after team meetings on Saturday night.

I'll wager $500 he doesn't.

[Hotrod]

I think Green is prolly a 75% chance of going
I highly doubt Holmes will go at all.
Roaf is out
Surtain is out
The chef win I predicted by 10+ is now at Even.

[Mile High Shack]

Green and Holmes will play. I'd bet my life savings on it.

Not sure on the others.

I'll see your 5 dollars and raise you 2

[Hotrod]

I'll see your 5 dollars and raise you 2


LOL I really really wish I could REP that :yep:

[broncosteven]

I'll wager $500 he doesn't.


Your right she & Vermin-eel will both have a good long cry over it & hug & he will play unlike that mean old Shanny who didn't like people quitting on his team in the middle of the year.

I am still confused as to why Dick would say anything about holding TrINT out without talking to him 1st. After all DICK is such a "players" coach I would think he would wait until TrINT got back talked to him then went to media. Seems to me like DICK is using media to get TrINT back...just a thought.

[CBF1]

Faux rep...man that was funny

[Bronx33]

I'll wager $500 he doesn't.

I'll wager 500 he's a nancyboy...

[Bronx33]

I think Green is prolly a 75% chance of going
I highly doubt Holmes will go at all.
Roaf is out
Surtain is out
The chef win I predicted by 10+ is now at Even.

And Mcleon is Mcleon...:~ohyah!:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think Green is prolly a 75% chance of going
I highly doubt Holmes will go at all.
Roaf is out
Surtain is out
The chef win I predicted by 10+ is now at Even.

Wow, pessimistc. Roaf and Surtain are certainly not declared out.

[Hotrod]

Wow, pessimistc. Roaf and Surtain are certainly not declared out.

They better not be I've got the chefs giving 4.5 this week. Ill blame it on you if they lose. :moody:

[Broncoman13]

Green and Holmes will play. I'd bet my life savings on it.

Not sure on the others.


Just pulled this off of the Sportsline Player Updates... I think they had some news a few weeks ago that was questioned by several, so I don't know how accurate it is?

Larry Johnson to start

Larry Johnson, RB KC

News: The Star reports Priest Holmes (head) missed practice on Thursday and is not expected to be active in Week 9. Larry Johnson will start in hia absence.

Analysis: Johnson now becomes a must-start against the Oakland Raiders in what should be a shootout.

[Bronx33]

LOL I really really wish I could REP that :yep:

http://72.22.74.110/BB/images/buttons/reputation.gif

You can rep just use this..

[Broncoman13]

Wow, pessimistc. Roaf and Surtain are certainly not declared out.


Just read that both are gametime decisions... I'm guessing that's to throw off the Faid. Roaf aggrivated the same hammy from what I gather. I doubt he goes. Surtain is hampered by a bad knee... whether he goes or not isn't a big deal, the fact of the matter is if he does go he won't be 100% covering some pretty good WR's from Oakland.

[Hotrod]

http://72.22.74.110/BB/images/buttons/reputation.gif

You can rep just use this..

Ya but the gutted out Rep system is just not the same. Its like running into an old war buddy at the bar and buying him a shot of 2% milk. Sure its nice to have a shot with an old friend and all but..............

[Broncoman13]

Your right she & Vermin-eel will both have a good long cry over it & hug & he will play unlike that mean old Shanny who didn't like people quitting on his team in the middle of the year.

I am still confused as to why Dick would say anything about holding TrINT out without talking to him 1st. After all DICK is such a "players" coach I would think he would wait until TrINT got back talked to him then went to media. Seems to me like DICK is using media to get TrINT back...just a thought.

Actually it seems to me that he's trying to give his team an excuse to fail. Holmes hurting and probably out. Roaf, Surtain same thing. He can use Green's absence as an excuse to hold him out from the game, lay an egg and not loose the team or the fans by blaming it on injuries and the death of a family member.

[Crushaholic]

Green will play, but their troublesome spot isn't on offense. Surtain, probably their best offseason pickup, not playing should concern Chiefs fans...

Having said that, this game always goes down to the wire...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

None of these guys are declared "out," so quit acting like they are.

Considering there was zero structural damage to Surtain's knee, I think he will play.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually it seems to me that he's trying to give his team an excuse to fail. Holmes hurting and probably out. Roaf, Surtain same thing. He can use Green's absence as an excuse to hold him out from the game, lay an egg and not loose the team or the fans by blaming it on injuries and the death of a family member.

You're an idiot. There's no way Green isn't playing. Do you know how many consecutive starts he has?

[Hotrod]

You're an idiot. There's no way Green isn't playing. Do you know how many consecutive starts he has?

Althou I think TrINT is a go using consecutive starts is a seriously stupid argument. Champ had quite a few and yes I know his injury would not let him go while TrINT is able to. Losing a parent is hard stuff he might not be right in the head which would be understandable IMO.

[broncosteven]

Althou I think TrINT is a go using consecutive starts is a seriously stupid argument. Champ had quite a few and yes I know his injury would not let him go while TrINT is able to. Losing a parent is hard stuff he might not be right in the head which would be understandable IMO.


You have to have something to point to as an accomplishment when your team has not won a SB in last 36 years. Consecutive starts is...well...something....

[elsid13]

Who the back-up QB for the Chefs

[ludo21]

Althou I think TrINT is a go using consecutive starts is a seriously stupid argument. Champ had quite a few and yes I know his injury would not let him go while TrINT is able to. Losing a parent is hard stuff he might not be right in the head which would be understandable IMO.


I dont know if i could go if my dad died right next to me. WE will see how it goes, I just hope Trent does whats best for him.

[broncosteven]

Who the back-up QB for the Chefs


That dude that got arrested on top of the speaker at that bar up in Minn.

[Bronx33]

None of these guys are declared "out," so quit acting like they are.

Considering there was zero structural damage to Surtain's knee, I think he will play.


Ok they all play at 80%....:thumbsup:

[Bronx33]

Who the back-up QB for the Chefs

Todd Collins

[broncosteven]

I dont know if i could go if my dad died right next to me. WE will see how it goes, I just hope Trent does whats best for him.


I agree, I just don't know why Vermin-eel talked about it with the media without talking to Trint 1st. Sounded like Dick was "expecting" him back earlier but I could have misread that.

[Broncoman13]

I agree, I just don't know why Vermin-eel talked about it with the media without talking to Trint 1st. Sounded like Dick was "expecting" him back earlier but I could have misread that.


That's what I gathered as well. Seems to me that Dick needs an excuse to lose this game and may have just backed into one.

Seriously, I hate to say it but the Faid are gonna win this game by atleast 7. The only reason I think the Chefs will come that close is Camarohead... other than that it's the Faid by 10 or more!

[broncosteven]

Todd Collins


Bronx33 you mean "THE GREAT Todd Collins" Future HOF QB LOL

I couldn't come up with anything to top "The Red Knight"!

[broncosteven]

That's what I gathered as well. Seems to me that Dick needs an excuse to lose this game and may have just backed into one.

Seriously, I hate to say it but the Faid are gonna win this game by atleast 7. The only reason I think the Chefs will come that close is Camarohead... other than that it's the Faid by 10 or more!


I like haveing the 2 game cushion. SD always comes on late in season let Chefs fall off & we have 2 games vs Faid so we can kill them ourself if we TCB!

[Bronx33]

Bronx33 you mean "THE GREAT Todd Collins" Future HOF QB LOL

I couldn't come up with anything to top "The Red Knight"!

The one and only, peterson just loves the guy.

[orange crusher]

Who the back-up QB for the Chefs

Todd Collins Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Rascal]

In other news it looks like TO could be suspended for the season.

[GreatBronco16]

In other news it looks like TO could be suspended for the season.


I heard something about this on another board. Is there any truth to this?

[Rascal]

Speculation at this point but it wouldn't suprise me. His comments about his 100th TD (which he has a point but still), to Favre and McNabb, to the rest of the team on the ESPN interview were incredible.

[Hotrod]

In other news it looks like TO could be suspended for the season.

Im fine with that I just hope he lays one on the skins first :thumbs:

[Broncoman13]

Hey Boob... looks like your boy's mellon isn't quite right!

Priest Holmes, RB KC

News: KCChiefs.com reports head coach Dick Vermeil confirmed that Priest Holmes (head) isn't expected to play in Week 9. The veteran missed practice Friday and was still "on his way back" from California, where he visited a specialist.

Analysis: Larry Johnson will start in Holmes' absence. Owners with the veteran hope his condition isn't serious and won't keep him off the field for an extended period.

Larry Johnson's worth just skyrocketed in fantasy football. If Priest is out for a while Johnson is the best starting option out there. Priest was always in the top 5 despite giving up 10-15 touches to Johnson, now Johnson will get the 25 touches per game and Priest won't steal them away!!!

[Crushaholic]

From what I'm hearing in my corner of the world, Green WILL start after working with the first team, but the status of everyone else who has been mentioned is still up in the air...

[Bronco9798]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Quarterback Trent Green worked out with the Kansas City Chiefs' starters on Friday and will start Sunday's game against the Oakland Raiders, coach Dick Vermeil said.

On Thursday, Vermeil had raised the possibility that Green would not start because he had missed so much practice time while in St. Louis for services for his father.

Jim Green, 58, died Oct. 27. His funeral was Wednesday.

Trent Green has made 71 straight starts for the Chiefs, a team record for quarterbacks, since coming over from St. Louis in a trade in 2001.

[Hotrod]

Holmes needs to stop being such a fricking baby. Just put on a helmet and get his arse on the field and score like 3 TD's...........my fantasy weekend depends on it. ;D

[Raider Bill]

The Fade and Chokeland jokes are getting older than the Chiefs roster. I mean come on fellas, Peyton Manning says Hi!

[crazyhorse]

Actually it seems to me that he's trying to give his team an excuse to fail. Holmes hurting and probably out. Roaf, Surtain same thing. He can use Green's absence as an excuse to hold him out from the game, lay an egg and not loose the team or the fans by blaming it on injuries and the death of a family member.

You must be old. It takes a long time to generate that type of stupidity.

[crazyhorse]

Holmes needs to stop being such a fricking baby. Just put on a helmet and get his arse on the field and score like 3 TD's...........my fantasy weekend depends on it. ;D

I was saying the same about Bailey. Dude pulls up lame every time he get's beat.

[broncosteven]

Win or lose Dick has a reason for an excuse for a good cry this weekend he can cry about losing to a freakazoid living off a machine or the fact that TrINTs dad passed should Chefs win. It is win win for Kleenex stock this week!

[Bronco9798]

From our friends at PFT:

A league source tells us that the players in Kansas City are teetering toward mutiny due to what they perceive to be excessive intensity on the part of Chiefs coach Vermeil.

Vermeil simply has been pushing them too hard, with in-season practices of 2 hours and 45 minutes in full pads.

We're also told that Vermeil never eases off of the sense of urgency, and that it's mentally and physically wearing the players down.

It's an old-school approach to a game that has changed much over the past decade or so. In-season practices and even training camp generally are less strenuous, for a variety of reasons. The proliferation of offseason workouts give coaches many more opportunities to teach their systems, lightening the agendas for July and August. Also, with true free agency in the NFL, teams realize that factors such as grueling practices could keep a guy from coming to town.

As we see it, Vermeil's decision to push the team hard this year indicates that he doesn't plan to be back in 2006 -- since it suggests that he isn't worried about his ability to attract or retain available players. But he still needs to make it through 2005, and the concern in the locker room is that a team with Super Bowl potential is being kept from fulfilling that promise by a head coach who is simply squeezing them too tightly.

[Crushaholic]

From our friends at PFT:

A league source tells us that the players in Kansas City are teetering toward mutiny due to what they perceive to be excessive intensity on the part of Chiefs coach Vermeil.

Vermeil simply has been pushing them too hard, with in-season practices of 2 hours and 45 minutes in full pads.

We're also told that Vermeil never eases off of the sense of urgency, and that it's mentally and physically wearing the players down.

It's an old-school approach to a game that has changed much over the past decade or so. In-season practices and even training camp generally are less strenuous, for a variety of reasons. The proliferation of offseason workouts give coaches many more opportunities to teach their systems, lightening the agendas for July and August. Also, with true free agency in the NFL, teams realize that factors such as grueling practices could keep a guy from coming to town.

As we see it, Vermeil's decision to push the team hard this year indicates that he doesn't plan to be back in 2006 -- since it suggests that he isn't worried about his ability to attract or retain available players. But he still needs to make it through 2005, and the concern in the locker room is that a team with Super Bowl potential is being kept from fulfilling that promise by a head coach who is simply squeezing them too tightly.

At the end of practice, they all get a hug. So, it's all good...:flower:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

From our friends at PFT:

A league source tells us that the players in Kansas City are teetering toward mutiny due to what they perceive to be excessive intensity on the part of Chiefs coach Vermeil.

Vermeil simply has been pushing them too hard, with in-season practices of 2 hours and 45 minutes in full pads.

We're also told that Vermeil never eases off of the sense of urgency, and that it's mentally and physically wearing the players down.

It's an old-school approach to a game that has changed much over the past decade or so. In-season practices and even training camp generally are less strenuous, for a variety of reasons. The proliferation of offseason workouts give coaches many more opportunities to teach their systems, lightening the agendas for July and August. Also, with true free agency in the NFL, teams realize that factors such as grueling practices could keep a guy from coming to town.

As we see it, Vermeil's decision to push the team hard this year indicates that he doesn't plan to be back in 2006 -- since it suggests that he isn't worried about his ability to attract or retain available players. But he still needs to make it through 2005, and the concern in the locker room is that a team with Super Bowl potential is being kept from fulfilling that promise by a head coach who is simply squeezing them too tightly.


Load of crap!

[Ballhawk]

Load of crap!

Agree, they never had Superbowl potential.

[Dagmar]

I was saying the same about Bailey. Dude pulls up lame every time he get's beat.

Yeh, Champ's the worst. I really wish he played for another team. In fact, I don't think he could make it at another team. Send him to NFL Europe I say.

Give me Warfield or Sapp, or even that Faider Woodson.

We should cut champ, that injury faking wimp.

[ozomulsion]

So, will Holmes play? Anybody?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So, will Holmes play? Anybody?

No.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Agree, they never had Superbowl potential.

Fook you!

[-Slap-]

Green is definitely playing?

[broncosteven]

From our friends at PFT:

A league source tells us that the players in Kansas City are teetering toward mutiny due to what they perceive to be excessive intensity on the part of Chiefs coach Vermeil.

Vermeil simply has been pushing them too hard, with in-season practices of 2 hours and 45 minutes in full pads.

We're also told that Vermeil never eases off of the sense of urgency, and that it's mentally and physically wearing the players down.

It's an old-school approach to a game that has changed much over the past decade or so. In-season practices and even training camp generally are less strenuous, for a variety of reasons. The proliferation of offseason workouts give coaches many more opportunities to teach their systems, lightening the agendas for July and August. Also, with true free agency in the NFL, teams realize that factors such as grueling practices could keep a guy from coming to town.

As we see it, Vermeil's decision to push the team hard this year indicates that he doesn't plan to be back in 2006 -- since it suggests that he isn't worried about his ability to attract or retain available players. But he still needs to make it through 2005, and the concern in the locker room is that a team with Super Bowl potential is being kept from fulfilling that promise by a head coach who is simply squeezing them too tightly.

I think Vermin-eel is a Manic Depressive that needs to be medicated. He knows they picked up old guys some with injury historys in off season. He is not getting the ST Td's from the EX-x-factor that he needs & infact the refs are starting to see all the fouls that the ST have been guilty of all along!

The window is closing & it will be UGLY! but he will go out with a Hug & a good long Cry...I love you for staying around a year too long mannnn.....bo hooo....hoooo

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Green is definitely playing?

Yes.