Plummer--Long Term

[kirby33]

If jake continues to progress, and since he only gets sacked 10 to 20 times a year, couldnt we say that he could start and lead this team for another 5 to 7 years. I am not sold on him completely, but if he contiunes, that takes alot of stress away and shapes our draft picks in a different direction. I would love not to worry about who is going to play qb for a long time, preferrably 16 years like god himself.

[baja]

This is clearly the year that Jake's future as a Bronco will be decided. He is progressing nicely and the learning curb for a quarterback in Shanny's system is three years. Hopefully in couple of more games we can say Jake has arrived. I think if Jake ever learns to lead the receiver with the long ball he will become more dangerous expediently.

[NFLBRONCO]

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

[TheReverend]

Id like us to keep Jake for 5 more years and draft a good QB in 4 so he can ride the pine behind the snake his rookie year.

[TheReverend]

...and you never know, Van Pelt may turn to be the next big thing.

[Taco John]

This thread is going to go over like Motley Crew on the Church PA system during Communion.

[wabbit]

This is clearly the year that Jake's future as a Bronco will be decided. He is progressing nicely and the learning curb for a quarterback in Shanny's system is three years...

He has learned well, and, although much of the season has yet to play out,
the murmerings I heard all the time out at Dove Valley have stopped for now.

He is doing what Shanahan & Kubiak have tried to get him to do for two & half seasons...check down & throw...not look for Rod, check somebody else, check Rod again & throw anyway.

I know that's not really fair, but it's the perceived truth.

He KNOWS Smith will catch the ball...he's gaining confidence in Lelie it seems, he isn't all that sure about Putzier, but Alexander gained some ground with that EZ catch Sunday & Bell, well, Bell is still learning while Anderson is just ok...little YAC.

All that seems to mix in his head as he's looking around in the two or three seconds he has...now, he checks down & throws to the open receiver...sometimes the receiver drops the ball (as Plummer might have worried he would) & everyone yells 'damn!', but Plummer is actually running the offense the way it was designed.

Yea

[Ballhawk]

Plummer has maybe two years left after this one, then his mobility will be in decline. I think if the opprotunity presents itself in 2007 Shanny will pull the trigger on a qb to learn the system for a year behind Jake.

[Taco John]

I'll be personally suprised if Plummer is our starter in 2008... maybe even 2007. I'm of the belief that we'll be drafting someone this April to come up under Plummer for a year or two (depending on play). I think that's the situation that Shanahan was hoping to bring Griese up in, up until Bubby Brister collapsed under the pressure of living up to the legend in the preseason.

[x123z]

Van Pelt had to have made great strides to be number 2. If this continues he will be the replacement for Plummer.

[BroncoBuff]

...and you never know, Van Pelt may turn to be the next big thing.
I agree - it might sound like in-state-homer talking, but BVP opened my eyes up real big this pre-season.

All of Jake's skills . . . same competitive fire . . . not as experienced obviously, but . . . SMARTER!

Next pre-season will be pretty interesting.

[BroncoInferno]

I'll be personally suprised if Plummer is our starter in 2008... maybe even 2007. I'm of the belief that we'll be drafting someone this April to come up under Plummer for a year or two (depending on play). I think that's the situation that Shanahan was hoping to bring Griese up in, up until Bubby Brister collapsed under the pressure of living up to the legend in the preseason.

Yes, Taco, we know. You've already told us that we will draft a QB even if Plummer wins us a Super Bowl. ::)

If Jake plays in the second half of the season the way he did in the first, you can forget about a QB in round one. It simply won't happen. Maybe round 2 or 3 if the right guy is there. Maybe.

Now, if he plays more like the Jake from the second half of last season, then it becomes a possibility, but no slam dunk. This is not going to be a particularly good year for QBs, and unless the Skins pick ends up in the top 5, we likely won't have the chance to get a real blue chipper. Even in this senario, you probably won't see get a chance at a good value pick until the 2nd or 3rd. Leinart's a pipe dream, you might as well forget about that.

[Atlas]

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.

Odds are Denver is going to lose in the playoffs since only one team can go undefeated.
Are the other QBs failures??

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Hate to break it to everyone, but we were saying the same things during the '03 season when he was 9-2 with a 15-7 TD-Int ratio. Then we got 20 pick Jake that decided he was too good with his right arm, and wanted to see what he could do if he threw with his left. Jake has been too errtic through out his career for anyone to make a strong argument that, this time, Jake really has turned the corner. Maybe he has, but no one will know that until this point next season. Jake will be the starter at least through the '06 season, but they're going to be looking for a QB early either this year or next. Early doesn't necessarily mean 1st round like some who want to argue that since only Leinart is the only 1st round pick at this point and Denver won't be high enough to draft him, ergo Denver won't take a QB this year. The claim that BVP *could* be the starter is even more tenuous then the Jake has turned the corner argument. So BVP is now the back-up, fantastic. He still has not taken one meaningful snap in a real NFL game, while we've seen Jake get it done more often then not this season.

[baja]

Shanny has got to sense he has a shot to go all the way with this team. Given that mind set don't you think if BVP was not a ligit back up QB that Shanny would never let so much ride on him. Shanny, the quarterback guru, sees BVP in practice each and every day and he is the #2 guy, this tells me that this kid might be in the Broncos future plans......

[Hercules Rockefeller]

and how many players in the past decade has Shanahan thought were part of the plan, only to see them crumple when they hit the field and it actually mattered?

[Ballhawk]

Shanny has built this team for a 3 year run, much like 96-98. On D he is going to lock up Warren, CB and Pryce. Our LBs are all locked up for the next 3 years. With CBs DWill, Foxworth and Champ we are set for 3 years. The only missing part is a great S. On O Bell will be the starter in 2006. Rod may last 2 years as starter 1 year as #3 WR. Other pieces can be added, but this is a core group that should be together for 3 years. He is not going to hand it over to a rookie.

[maven]

BVP is already 25 years old & hasn't played a down in the NFL. I think Denver will bring in a QB in the upcoming draft or wait till 2007. Denver needs a young qb with lots of skills.

[BroncoInferno]

Hate to break it to everyone, but we were saying the same things during the '03 season when he was 9-2 with a 15-7 TD-Int ratio. Then we got 20 pick Jake that decided he was too good with his right arm, and wanted to see what he could do if he threw with his left. Jake has been too errtic through out his career for anyone to make a strong argument that, this time, Jake really has turned the corner. Maybe he has, but no one will know that until this point next season. Jake will be the starter at least through the '06 season, but they're going to be looking for a QB early either this year or next. Early doesn't necessarily mean 1st round like some who want to argue that since only Leinart is the only 1st round pick at this point and Denver won't be high enough to draft him, ergo Denver won't take a QB this year. The claim that BVP *could* be the starter is even more tenuous then the Jake has turned the corner argument. So BVP is now the back-up, fantastic. He still has not taken one meaningful snap in a real NFL game, while we've seen Jake get it done more often then not this season.

The same argument you are making against BVP will be true of any QB we draft. Still, I could us us going QB in the 2nd or 3rd if the right guy is sitting there.

[bendog]

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.
It would depend on the loss. The offense looks like it did in Indy last year, I may cancel the nfl sat package alltoghether, and just catch a couple of games at bars. They get into a shootout with some team and lose 28-30 or something, and I'm prolly ok.

[Elway 4 Life]

How about this......give jake a solid #2 reciever and dont tell me lelie is solid. We need a solid #2 option for him. We need a consistent TE not a TE by commitee. If that happens jake will flourish in that offense. Until then we know rod is there always, lelie is ther every once in a while and the TE's are just ok. If we fix this we are a solid contender for the next couple of years with the SNAKE.

[errand]

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.


Depends on how we lose the playoff games...if we keep giving up 35 points in a half, I find it hard for anyone outside of TJ and his cronies to blame Jake for that.

[watermock]

At this point, I'm happy with Jake and BVP...I don't think the highly rated QB's need to be considered at least for this year unless something bad happens...noone has ever said Jake is Elway, but he's playing well, very well...I was on the get a QBOTF bandwagon for awhile, but Jake and BVP have played well...I don't bother with the draft till after the season is over, or lost...I'm just having fun rooting against Portis and Gibbs at this point...and watching us win....

[DrFate]

How about this......give jake a solid #2 reciever and dont tell me lelie is solid. We need a solid #2 option for him. We need a consistent TE not a TE by commitee. If that happens jake will flourish in that offense. Until then we know rod is there always, lelie is ther every once in a while and the TE's are just ok. If we fix this we are a solid contender for the next couple of years with the SNAKE.

I'd like to see us make a couple moves on offense to provide more options. The Plummer bashers refuse to see that our draft and FA moves for 2+ are all defense. We have lost Sharpe, Portis, and Droughns off the offense and invested few picks and no FA money. We got DJ and DW and Foxworth via the draft, we got Bailey for Portis, we sign Lynch and Gold via FA, we trade Droughns for the Cleveland gang. All those guys are playing well, I'm not trying to diminish what they have done. The reality is we need a guard/center, a true #1 WR and a true threat at TE.

[Elway 4 Life]

I'd like to see us make a couple moves on offense to provide more options. The Plummer bashers refuse to see that our draft and FA moves for 2+ are all defense. We have lost Sharpe, Portis, and Droughns off the offense and invested few picks and no FA money. We got DJ and DW and Foxworth via the draft, we got Bailey for Portis, we sign Lynch and Gold via FA, we trade Droughns for the Cleveland gang. All those guys are playing well, I'm not trying to diminish what they have done. The reality is we need a guard/center, a true #1 WR and a true threat at TE.

Amen brother. All I want for Christmas is what you said and Salma Hayek in a maid outfit!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

He is not going to hand it over to a rookie.

and the other straw man argument that the "No QB" people make has appeared in this thread.

Did anyone say Shanahan was going to turn it over to a rookie or that they thought the new QB should start next year? Please, anyone who has ever touted drafting a QB this year has always said that he'll sit for at least one year and probably two behind Jake before he takes over. At least try to attack the arguments of the people arguing for a QB in next year's draft rather then shooting down "arguments" that no one makes.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The same argument you are making against BVP will be true of any QB we draft. Still, I could us us going QB in the 2nd or 3rd if the right guy is sitting there.

and there's a difference between a late 7th that sound on the PS for a year with apparently no interest from any other teams compared to a first day draft pick. There's a reasonable expected difference in expectation levels due to draft location.

[BroncoInferno]

and there's a difference between a late 7th that sound on the PS for a year with apparently no interest from any other teams compared to a first day draft pick. There's a reasonable expected difference in expectation levels due to draft location.

Once those players are in the league, however, those expectations are irrelevant. BVP has obviously impressed to some degree. How much he's impressed, we'll find out in the offseason when Shanny can sort through FA quaterbacks and who in the draft is available.

[westcliffe]

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.


Peyton Manning has lost in the playoffs the last 2 or 3 years, as has Donovan McNabb. Guess that makes them short term solutions.

[Lidderer]

Peyton Manning has lost in the playoffs the last 2 or 3 years, as has Donovan McNabb. Guess that makes them short term solutions.

playoff WIN

[Taco John]

Shanny has got to sense he has a shot to go all the way with this team. Given that mind set don't you think if BVP was not a ligit back up QB that Shanny would never let so much ride on him. Shanny, the quarterback guru, sees BVP in practice each and every day and he is the #2 guy, this tells me that this kid might be in the Broncos future plans......


I think Shanahan walks around with tightly clenched buttcheeks when he thinks of the possibility of Jake going down and BVP stepping in to take over for the rest of the season.

The fact that BVP is our second stringer tells me more about what Danny Kanell was not than it tells me anything about BVP. The guy did next to nothing to distinguish himself in the preseason.

All this BVP talk sounds like so much of the Matt Mauck talk last year.

[Taco John]

Yes, Taco, we know. You've already told us that we will draft a QB even if Plummer wins us a Super Bowl. ::)



I still believe that.

[Rock Chalk]

I hope Plummer plays for 8 more years as the starter in Denver just so Taco can have some soiled jeans for the next 8 years.

[BroncoBuff]

I think Shanahan walks around with tightly clenched buttcheeks when he thinks of the possibility of Jake going down and BVP stepping in to take over for the rest of the season. . . . The fact that BVP is our second stringer tells me more about what Danny Kanell was not than it tells me anything about BVP. The guy did next to nothing to distinguish himself in the preseason.
I know you watched pre-season, TJ . . . BVP did not impress you? Really? Come on!!

He had numerous dropped balls, 5 at least - TWO TD drops! (Watts vs. Ariz and Watts vs. SF). But he engineered sevral mistake-free TD drives anyway! At least twice vs. better defensive units in first halfs of games. He is super-competitive, but not stupid like Plummer or overly reckless like Plummer. He's an excellent runner, too - and poised to the hilt!

Sure, he hasn't played yet, but NO QB ever played . . . UNTIL THEY PLAYED!

Plenty of young QBs - with low expectations - have played damn well in this league lately: Boller, Orton, Volek, Schaub ... hell, Delhomme and Bulger were both undrafted (I think both), at any rate they both bounced around on different team's practice squads for awhile.

I'm no BVP lover, I went to CU. I thought (think) he was an arrogant punk. But he deserves a close, CLOSE look after his eye-opening preseason, I . M . H . O!

[Kaylore]

I'll be very very surprised if we bring in someone young at QB at all this coming offseason unless they are an absolute steal that fell to us like Dominique Foxworth. The Broncos aren't interested in more young guys that they cna groom, they interested in a veteran than can back up Jake and not dear-in-headlights when he sees the D show blitz. I think we'll try and bring in a vet before we bring in another young QB to groom.

[baja]

What's the difference between Tom Brady and Brady Van Pelt?

maybe it is just a chance to prove himself on the field..

[Hercules Rockefeller]

What's the difference between Tom Brady and Brady Van Pelt?

maybe it is just a chance to prove himself on the field..

Of course I'd bet that Pats fans weren't penciling Brady in as anything at that point since he hadn't seen the field. But Bronco fans love to pencil in late round picks and UDFAs as the "future" at their position simply because Shanahan keeps them on the roster.

[orange 4 life]

Id like us to keep Jake for 5 more years and draft a good QB in 4 so he can ride the pine behind the snake his rookie year.

that about sums it up for me too.

jake is our qb of the present AND the future.

bvp isnt the guy. not in my book anyway, though its a possibility i suppose.
to me, bvp is like maddox, but he has local ties and that makes him a sideshow.
like elway when maddox arrived, plummer has alot of years left in the tank.

i'd like to see him under center for at least the next five years and towards the end prepare for someone to take over.

jake

[rbackfactory80]

I agree - it might sound like in-state-homer talking, but BVP opened my eyes up real big this pre-season.

All of Jake's skills . . . same competitive fire . . . not as experienced obviously, but . . . SMARTER!

Next pre-season will be pretty interesting.


I will take Plummer anyday over that kid. Smarter, lol, he showed that buy being an idiot?

[Moon§hiner]

If Shanny can take a loser that has skills from another team that gave up on him and turn him into a winner, I doubt he is in the mindset of starting over with a high draft choice....just don't see it happening when there are young QBs in those loser situations around the NFL every year and their contracts are what's forcing the losing team to consider using their #1 on the hottest QB...see Houston and San Diego as examples right now...
If Jake lasts a couple more years, there will be a couple more teams that are going to be in the same situation. Not only that, I'd be pizzed if they lose a close game in the playoffs and we are just a piece of the puzzle away of taking the next step and we use it on the QBOTF.

[Pontius Pirate]

I think there is another scenario here that the you all should maybe consider: what if Plummer decides to walk at the end of the season?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the last year we have him locked up for, right? If he has a solid season (which he certainly has so far), there will be interest from other teams. With a huge contingent of the Denver fan base essentially pleading for a new QB, do you think he would be really excited to continue playing for a city that doesn't want him?

I mean, I am just speculating here, but teams like the Jets, Ravens, Bucs, Browns, Dolphins, Titans, and Lions are in need of a good QB. Maybe even Green Bay. There won't be an abundance of good QB's in the talent pool at the end of the season. Jake could be one of the few.

[Circle Orange]

I dunno...Jake could be a "passing" fad...

[SoCalBronco]

Well at least we dont have to worry about Shanny drafting Marcus Vick anymore.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4203/hokietrophies3qd.jpg

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the last year we have him locked up for, right?


He should be signed through '09, but he's definitely not in his final year

[BroncoBuff]

What's the difference between Tom Brady and Brady Van Pelt?

maybe it is just a chance to prove himself on the field..
I wouldn't go QUITE THAT FAR . . . but that was my point!

____

PS: Congrats on your latest Rep Dots addition, Baja!

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Say he continues like he's doing now and we get to playoffs and lose again. My question is would you be satisfied with him long term or does playoff wins weigh more then solid seasons.
That's an interesting canundrum. The organization has been the most successful in the past 10 years; which in turn has produced winning seasons and countless hours of enjoyable football for all Broncos fans. The flip side of that could be a team like New Orleans/San Antonio or Cincinnati who make little blips on the radar screen once every what 10 years or so, and then immediately slide back into mediocrity. Me, I'm old school Broncos fan. Pre Elway Broncos fan. Hoping for a 7-7 season Broncos fan. Believe me, I would rather have a team that makes a serious run at the playoffs every year, than one where I have to say "Well there is always next year," and get excited about a winning season once every 10 years or so.
With that being said, I agree with TJ that the Broncos need to start thinking about getting and grooming a QBOTF, however trading our two first round draft picks for Leinart (I heard he plays defense and special teams too), is just crazy.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

I still believe that.
As do I. I wouldn't be surprised if you see them take a chance on Joel Klatt in the third round.

[Meck77]

but Alexander gained some ground with that EZ catch Sunday


Speaking of Alexander....On the Lynch show tonight they said that Rod nick named him "The white Michael Jordan" lol

All that really matter is beating the Raiders next week. I don't think any of the players are thinking too far ahead. Not even Jake. He seemed real focused on the show tonight.

Raiders suck......

[BroncoBuff]

I will take Plummer anyday over that kid. Smarter, lol, he showed that buy being an idiot?
Of COURSE we'd take Jake over BVP right now - that's a no-brainer, especially with Jake playing like he never has before. I meant (and wrote, btw) that next pre-season will be interesting. Although if Jake has a second half like his first, it won't be much of a battle.

And I meant BVP was smarter ON the field!!

OFF the field, BVP is a juvenile delinquent, at best.

[ludo21]

I think there is another scenario here that the you all should maybe consider: what if Plummer decides to walk at the end of the season?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the last year we have him locked up for, right? If he has a solid season (which he certainly has so far), there will be interest from other teams. With a huge contingent of the Denver fan base essentially pleading for a new QB, do you think he would be really excited to continue playing for a city that doesn't want him?

I mean, I am just speculating here, but teams like the Jets, Ravens, Bucs, Browns, Dolphins, Titans, and Lions are in need of a good QB. Maybe even Green Bay. There won't be an abundance of good QB's in the talent pool at the end of the season. Jake could be one of the few.


I dont think that will happen. NOt sure if he can "walk" away anyway.

Jake is a team guy who has constantly reduced his salary to be a team player, hes not going anywhere.

Cant wait for next week guys! Gonna be a great week of Raider Hating!!!!

[Meck77]

Interesting....with nearly 5,000 votes in only 6.8% think throwing is Jakes best attribute. Don't shoot the messenger. It's just an observation.

What is Jake Plummer's best attribute?

» Game management - 19.7%
» Scrambling ability - 55.1%
» Team leadership - 18.7%
» Throwing ability - 6.8%

TOTAL VOTES: 4998

This is from the Broncos site btw...

[BroncoBuff]

As do I. I wouldn't be surprised if you see them take a chance on Joel Klatt in the third round.
What are you smoking?

[Circle Orange]

Interesting....with nearly 5,000 votes in only 6.8% think throwing is Jakes best attribute. Don't shoot the messenger. It's just an observation.

What is Jake Plummer's best attribute?

» Game management - 19.7%
» Scrambling ability - 55.1%
» Team leadership - 18.7%
» Throwing ability - 6.8%

TOTAL VOTES: 4998

This is from the Broncos site btw...

All those attributes are okay...but I'm more impressed by the way he can grow a heavy beard quickly. STONES, baby, STONES...:poke:

[Orange_Beard]

After he wins one playoff game, better yet have one season with out a 2nd half fade.

[-Slap-]

Plenty of young QBs - with low expectations - have played damn well in this league lately: Boller, Orton, Volek, Schaub ... hell, Delhomme and Bulger were both undrafted (I think both), at any rate they both bounced around on different team's practice squads for awhile.
Boller has played well in this League? You must be a very keen observer of detail to have noticed. Was it for an entire series or a single down?

[DrFate]

Plenty of young QBs - with low expectations - have played damn well in this league lately: Boller, Orton, Volek, Schaub ... hell, Delhomme and Bulger were both undrafted (I think both), at any rate they both bounced around on different team's practice squads for awhile.

Boller was a first round choice that the Ravens traded up to get. He has had high expectations and is awful.

Orton was a 4, Schaub a 3.

[bendog]

I'm surprised at Orton. I really didn't think he had the arm to get by in the NFL. Haven't seen schwab play, but I do need a new discount broker.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

What are you smoking?
Marlboro Lights.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

What are you smoking?

Seriously, are you saying that Klatt is going to go higher than round 3, or are you saying that a good majority of NFL scouts, who predict Klatt to go in round 3 or 4 are wrong? Its not his throwing ability that is in question, or his leadership ability, it is the fact that he is 6'1"

[Taco John]

Seriously, are you saying that Klatt is going to go higher than round 3, or are you saying that a good majority of NFL scouts, who predict Klatt to go in round 3 or 4 are wrong? Its not his throwing ability that is in question, or his leadership ability, it is the fact that he is 6'1"



I think he's saying that he doesn't believe any scenario which would put BVP any further down the depth chart.

Sorry BVP guys... But he's not likely to ever be a starter for any team, let alone the Broncos. I watched every game of the preseason, and I'm not sure what you guys saw with your magic BVP glasses, but I saw a quarterback that needed A LOT of work.

[SDChiefsfan]

If jake continues to progress, and since he only gets sacked 10 to 20 times a year, couldnt we say that he could start and lead this team for another 5 to 7 years. I am not sold on him completely, but if he contiunes, that takes alot of stress away and shapes our draft picks in a different direction. I would love not to worry about who is going to play qb for a long time, preferrably 16 years like god himself.

My prayer everynight ends with..."....and God, please let Jake Plummer be healthy. And please, Lord, let Shanny stay head coach of the Donks...er, I mean Broncos. And please, dear Lord, if it be thy will allow Plummer and Shanny to remain the leaders of the Broncos until the year 2013 or 2014. Amen."

:kiss:

[watermock]

QBOTF was decided when we rolled the dice and paid Jake his roster bonus this spring...I'm also curious to see if BVP continues to develop...if he improves 50% next year like he has this year, he should be a long term backup. We don't need another Tommy Maddox debacle, especially since Jake is only what...30? He's got 5 years left easy...that's the whole life of a rookie contract...we will probably take a QB somewhere, we usually do, but I would prefer to keep improving Jakes supporting cast on both sides of the ball...Denver is going to have enough picks to take BPA or even make a few modest moves if they see a treat they can't resist...stockpiling picks is fine, it's just that you have to have a place to put them...the team is pretty deep allready...We need a Safety, interior line, and untill The Claw proves he doesn't actually have a claw, probably and elite WR if one is out there...regardless of Watts whether he breaks out of his funk, Rod Smith can't last forever...that's why I like DEVO...he's got some size...and has been a playmaker for the amount of time he's seen the field...I don't see him as a future starter...might become a great role player in the nintendo tho.

Again, I haven't looked that close at the draft, but it seems like there are also some fine potential LT's...I'd be hard pressed not to take a potential franchise LT and let him play inside for a couple years as he learns the ropes...especially with House so banged up and well..long in the tooth to boot...NO disrespect, especially after his near death experience, but it's hard to say if he will ever play again...a violent injury like that can even subconciously make you scared of hard contact...it's only a natural survival instinct...I would put the chances of his making it back to his old self much less than even 40%...so to sum up this rant...since Jake is doing so well and BVP has seemingly developed...I think there are other things more important than a QB unless one falls in our lap we really love.

[Elway 4 Life]

I think he's saying that he doesn't believe any scenario which would put BVP any further down the depth chart.

Sorry BVP guys... But he's not likely to ever be a starter for any team, let alone the Broncos. I watched every game of the preseason, and I'm not sure what you guys saw with your magic BVP glasses, but I saw a quarterback that needed A LOT of work.

And you know this how? Do you coach are you a scout? I remember when Favre came into the league and everyone said the smae thing. He needs work. 300+ TD's later and he's a retirement away from the HOF. BVP may not be a starter but to say so before he even gets a shot. I'm sure nobody predicted tom brady (6th round) to do what he has done. I can see talking trash about harrington or boller or anyone else that has actually had a chance and just sucks.

[Rohirrim]

Bring in Joel Klatt (CU) with a 4th or 5th pick. He'll beat out BVD by the end of camp.

[orange 4 life]

If jake continues to progress, and since he only gets sacked 10 to 20 times a year, couldnt we say that he could start and lead this team for another 5 to 7 years. I am not sold on him completely, but if he contiunes, that takes alot of stress away and shapes our draft picks in a different direction. I would love not to worry about who is going to play qb for a long time, preferrably 16 years like god himself.

dont worry about it then.

plummer was good in '03, he was good last year, and he's good again this year.
he's a leader, he fits the system, and he's proven that when given favorable circumstances (not asked to play from more than 2 scores back) he makes very few mistakes.

he's our qb of the present, and he's our qb of the future.

we can worry about a qb in 3-5 years when jake gets nearer retirement.
for now, just be happy we have him.

[orange 4 life]

My prayer everynight ends with..."....and God, please let Jake Plummer be healthy. And please, Lord, let Shanny stay head coach of the Donks...er, I mean Broncos. And please, dear Lord, if it be thy will allow Plummer and Shanny to remain the leaders of the Broncos until the year 2013 or 2014. Amen."

:kiss:

thats because youre an idiot.

who was the coach when we beat you guys in arrowhead in the '97 playoffs?
who was qb when we kicked your ass earlier this season?

grow a brain moron.

[orange 4 life]

I think he's saying that he doesn't believe any scenario which would put BVP any further down the depth chart.

Sorry BVP guys... But he's not likely to ever be a starter for any team, let alone the Broncos. I watched every game of the preseason, and I'm not sure what you guys saw with your magic BVP glasses, but I saw a quarterback that needed A LOT of work.

well said taco.

he's a sideshow because of his local ties. he's nothing more.
for crying out loud, they have a "bradlee vanpelt show" on one of our local sports radio stations.
what do they ask him every week?

- radio announcer- "so bradlee, what was it like this week watching the game so close to the action?"

- vanpelt- "gee guys, it was just like what you saw in the stands, only i was alot closer so i could hear what the players were saying!!"

sideshow.
can he be a viable backup? i dont know. maybe.
he sure isnt now.
i watched every snap of the preseason also, and about 40% of his passes were so far off they couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.

PRAY that plummer stays healthy, because we're dead if he goes down.

jake

ps- knock on wood. cant take any chances!!

[Play2win]

Bring in Joel Klatt (CU) with a 4th or 5th pick. He'll beat out BVD by the end of camp.
Ha-ha!!! that would be funny two young QBs, very close to the same age, competing for the Backup Broncos QB position.

I wonder if Klatt would remember BVP's shirt and antics at last year's CU-CSU game. They played against each other, I think, a couple of times too. There's nothing wrong with some good friendly competition, I just don't know how friendly this competition would be... Hilarious! rofl

[orange 4 life]

Interesting....with nearly 5,000 votes in only 6.8% think throwing is Jakes best attribute. Don't shoot the messenger. It's just an observation.

What is Jake Plummer's best attribute?

» Game management - 19.7%
» Scrambling ability - 55.1%
» Team leadership - 18.7%
» Throwing ability - 6.8%

TOTAL VOTES: 4998

This is from the Broncos site btw...

i think thats probably valid, and theres nothing wrong with that.

it doesnt say he's not a good passer.
it simply says his scrambling ability and leadership are BETTER attributes, and i agree.

his ability to move around and avoid the rush is outstanding.
his ability to be a vocal leader on the team is also very important after having a soft spoken guy like griese.

all i'd do is add some detail.
his BEST attribute is his ability to throw WHILE he's on the run.
he rolls left and throws as a righty better than anyone ive seen in HISTORY.
thats his BEST attribute, but not his only one.

i would also add that his overall accuracy is NOT one of his strengths.
he's average at best from 5-20 yards.
above average over 20 yards, but not top 5.

he gets away with that because he moves SO well, and he manages a game well. he knows when to go for the big play, and when to tuck it and run.
he also has above average velocity, which is equally or more important to accuracy.
griese was MUCH more accurate, though his velocity (especially after the shoulder surgery) was so much less that it gave defenders time to adjust.
plummer is not always pinpoint, but he gets it there in a hurry.

bottom line is the list of guys i'd rather have is short.

jake