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Atlas
11-02-2005, 12:35 AM
I was just thinking. Isn't Kyle Shanahan working with the Bucs? Do you think he might have inadvertly told Shanny about this great Safety prospect they had on the practice squad during one of their conversations and then Shanny rapes him of that guy???
Could be??
Maybe be??
No chance??
BroncoBuff
11-02-2005, 12:36 AM
I was just thinking. Isn't Kyle Shanahan working with the Bucs? Do you think he might have inadvertly told Shanny about this great Safety prospect they had on the practice squad during one of their conversations and then Shanny rapes him of that guy???
Could be??
Maybe be??
No chance??
I say "VERY POSSIBLE"
That is excellent insight and speculation, sir.
RhymesayersDU
11-02-2005, 12:40 AM
I bet Kyle S. got drunk with Griese, drunk dialed his dad and let it slip.
Atlas
11-02-2005, 12:43 AM
I say this is likely. I mean how many guys are just claimed of a teams practice squad?? I bet Gruden was very interested in how Shanny got the idea of HIS safety.
Bronco LB 59
11-02-2005, 12:44 AM
Off-the-record, absolutely. Sssh! Just don't let the NFL know.
Atlas
11-02-2005, 01:00 AM
I say "VERY POSSIBLE"
That is excellent insight and speculation, sir.
You see I'm more than just a pretty avatar
GreatBronco16
11-02-2005, 01:31 AM
You see I'm more than just a pretty avatar
Yeah, but not much more.;D
Taco John
11-02-2005, 01:36 AM
I would think that its more likely that the coaches had their eye on this guy during the draft and maybe didn't get to him before Gruden did. But I suppose anything is possible. I'm still not quite sure how to react to the cut. I've certainly been no fan of Lenny Walls. His size is a siren song, but your boats get smashed on the rocks if there's an athletic play that needs to be made anywhere around him. I think I would have liked to see him at safety.
watermock
11-02-2005, 03:40 AM
Walls was thin as a toothpick...he was no safety and hated contact...get real Taco...I was never on the Walls bandwagon, ever...there is a reason there are no 6-4 corners...It's like drooling over some 7-4 goon in the NBA...yeah, size matters, but not if you don't have the skills...or a remote semblance of durability...the guy was a piece of china...
As far as tampering goes, it's possible...might be more likely that Shanahan had his eye on the kid and might of asked his son what he thought...Mini Mastermind might of given his opinion, but that isn't really tampering...Mike still had to pull the triggers...Gruden might be giving Kyle the evil eye for awhile tho...we might soon have a case of nepostism on our hands...if Kyle winds up on our staff...Ha! I don't know what capacity Kyle is in...but a mini mastermind wouldn't bother me, unless mom was a dimwit...but I can't imagine Shanahan mating with a dummy...he wouldn't have the patience...he would waive her after a tryout.
Hercules Rockefeller
11-02-2005, 05:09 AM
I say this is likely. I mean how many guys are just claimed of a teams practice squad??
Every time someone gets put on IR, the 53rd player how to come from somewhere. I think you read too much into it.
I think Kyle Shanahan has a legitimate career in the NFL's coaching ranks, I doubt he'd be the type to tip Mike off to someone, especially when Kyle's job is to work specifically with the WRs.
What I have to ask is why isn't he HERE coaching Watts, Lelie, Devoe, and Adams? We need some WR help too Mike, get your boy in here!
As for Abdullah, he went to school with Paymah and apparently they are good friends. I'd think that might have played a role, since by all accounts we liked Paymah a great deal more than most. Our scouts would have seen a lot of Abdullah while scouting Paymah, so he probably made it on our radar as well.
DarkHorse
11-02-2005, 06:34 AM
Umm - what the hell did I miss?
Someone fill in the blanks - i've not been able to keep up this week with work and all.
Thanks
watermock
11-02-2005, 06:44 AM
Well...we have figured out Kyle Shanahan has solved the Kennedy assasination...
DarkHorse
11-02-2005, 06:47 AM
Gee thanks Mock - now back to the Broncos - did we sign someone? A safety?
kirby33
11-02-2005, 06:52 AM
hey butheads, when they were watching all that film on paymah, the were watching Abdullah at the same time, considering they were on the same team. Lets put the conspiracy theory down, and get back to real items.
Broncoman13
11-02-2005, 07:28 AM
I thought of this as soon as I found out we took a Buc of the PS. But, I also considered this. There is no way that Shanny would jepordize his son's first NFL job. IF this is the case Kyle is going to have a very difficult time keeping jobs in the NFL. Possible, but unlikely considering the possible fallout.
Broncoman13
11-02-2005, 07:29 AM
I think Kyle Shanahan has a legitimate career in the NFL's coaching ranks, I doubt he'd be the type to tip Mike off to someone, especially when Kyle's job is to work specifically with the WRs.
What I have to ask is why isn't he HERE coaching Watts, Lelie, Devoe, and Adams? We need some WR help too Mike, get your boy in here!
As for Abdullah, he went to school with Paymah and apparently they are good friends. I'd think that might have played a role, since by all accounts we liked Paymah a great deal more than most. Our scouts would have seen a lot of Abdullah while scouting Paymah, so he probably made it on our radar as well.
What gives you the idea that Paymah and Abdullah are friends? Was there a story or something about this? Just curious.
bendog
11-02-2005, 07:34 AM
Gee thanks Mock - now back to the Broncos - did we sign someone? A safety?
Shanahan said after practice Tuesday that the play of rookie cornerbacks Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth and the team's needs at safety - Denver added rookie Hamza Abdullah off the Tampa Bay Buccaneers practice squad to fill Walls' vacated spot - played a bigger role in the move than Walls' health.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_4205202,00.html
I'd think with Kirby, though perhaps not with the words. They'd seen film and thought the guy might have some game, but along with that it's not hard to think Shanny and Kyle both have mentioned people on the squad to each other. That's not a conspiracy theory so much as .... coaches who are friends prolly do honestly talk. Now giving game plans away ....
TheReverend
11-02-2005, 07:44 AM
A lot like the Gibbs fiasco of last year.
watermock
11-02-2005, 07:45 AM
The point is Gruden is assembling a fine team...we just plucked a feather out of his nest...BFD...Gruden is a fine coach...not an enemy of Shanahan's at all...if Gruden chose, he could of taken the guy off the PS squad and put him on the roster...the holding team has that option...we did it with Sykes...it's more comedy than reality...
Ray Finkle
11-02-2005, 07:47 AM
A lot like the Gibbs fiasco of last year.
Exactly....I think it random that they he was from TB and Kyle worked there. Why would you take a chance on your reputation for a practice squad player?
Hotrod
11-02-2005, 07:48 AM
What gives you the idea that Paymah and Abdullah are friends? Was there a story or something about this? Just curious.
Someone had a link to story in the Walls is s*it canned thread about how they played college ball togather and Paymah is excited to have his 'friend' join him.
As far as Kyle tipping Shanny its possible I guess but I hope not. Remember how pissed we were at Gibbs last year. I hope to just credit the coaching staff with seeing someone they wanted and when the opportunity presented itself they jumped on it.
bendog
11-02-2005, 07:59 AM
Well Gibbs gave away schemes, and that's blantantly dishonorable if not an explict contract, and I don't think two coaches discussing the potential of players is the same thing.
DarkHorse
11-02-2005, 08:31 AM
Shanahan said after practice Tuesday that the play of rookie cornerbacks Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth and the team's needs at safety - Denver added rookie Hamza Abdullah off the Tampa Bay Buccaneers practice squad to fill Walls' vacated spot - played a bigger role in the move than Walls' health.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_4205202,00.html
I'd think with Kirby, though perhaps not with the words. They'd seen film and thought the guy might have some game, but along with that it's not hard to think Shanny and Kyle both have mentioned people on the squad to each other. That's not a conspiracy theory so much as .... coaches who are friends prolly do honestly talk. Now giving game plans away ....
Thanks Bendog - up to speed now.
ludo21
11-02-2005, 09:14 AM
I thought of this as soon as I found out we took a Buc of the PS. But, I also considered this. There is no way that Shanny would jepordize his son's first NFL job. IF this is the case Kyle is going to have a very difficult time keeping jobs in the NFL. Possible, but unlikely considering the possible fallout.
Its possible it happened, but i agree, he wouldnt jeopardize his son's job.
More likely they saw him earlier and just didnt have room, just like what happened with Cox early this year.
Rascal
11-02-2005, 09:20 AM
you guys are reading to much into it. I doubt Kyle would have told him because it is grounds for immediate firing, and Shanny wouldn't have compromised his sons job.
Paladin
11-02-2005, 09:22 AM
Still and all, this guy will have to beat out Browner next year......
Is it possible that the Broncos are actually assembling a decent secondary? After all these years.........
bendog
11-02-2005, 09:25 AM
Lynch is a great guy and all, but I hope we move in a new direction next year.
DarkHorse30
11-02-2005, 09:35 AM
Lynch is a great guy and all, but I hope we move in a new direction next year.
Agreed, we need a ball-hawking safety. Is Marques Anderson capable?
ludo21
11-02-2005, 09:39 AM
Agreed, we need a ball-hawking safety. Is Marques Anderson capable?
no.
IMO, next year will be Brandon and Fergy, as well as Browner. In the coming weeks we will also see what this Abdullah guy is about as well.
Agreed, we need a ball-hawking safety. Is Marques Anderson capable?
Anderson is a run stopper/hard hitter, not a ball hawk by any stretch. Same for Abdullah. Fergy is the closest to a ball hawk on the active roster who plays safety, moving Curome Cox or Paymah back there, or a healthy Browner, should fill that need however.
watermock
11-02-2005, 01:10 PM
I thought of this as soon as I found out we took a Buc of the PS. But, I also considered this. There is no way that Shanny would jepordize his son's first NFL job. IF this is the case Kyle is going to have a very difficult time keeping jobs in the NFL. Possible, but unlikely considering the possible fallout.
So we bring in some stopgap and see what he can bring...big deal...I'm allready itching for the draft...gonna be a boatload after they give us the comp picks...We might get 6 picks in the first day....At least five...we have two #1's...a second, our third, and I think Hayward will garner another third. Kennedy might be a third or 4th...At any rate, that's alot of meat on the table in a good draft...I hope they have top people on it...TOP PEOPLE...(Indiana Jones)...C'mon Joe Gibbs....you can do it....give us that top ten pick...
bombquixote
11-02-2005, 01:43 PM
You see I'm more than just a pretty avatar
yeah, you make a great quiche, too.
rbackfactory80
11-02-2005, 02:18 PM
Talent evaluators know everyone. There are Mel Kiper juniors working for every N.F.L. squad. However you want to look at it this guy is still practice squad. If he was such a secret weapon don't you think he would be better off on the field?
Atlas
11-02-2005, 02:21 PM
Every time someone gets put on IR, the 53rd player how to come from somewhere. I think you read too much into it.
Most of the time a team will elevate someone from their practice squad and then they will pick up a street free agent to fill out their practice squad. Only every once in awhile you raid someone elses practice squad.
Atlas
11-02-2005, 02:24 PM
Anderson is a run stopper/hard hitter, not a ball hawk by any stretch. Same for Abdullah. Fergy is the closest to a ball hawk on the active roster who plays safety, moving Curome Cox or Paymah back there, or a healthy Browner, should fill that need however.
He has 5 ints. 3 more than Fergy
Most of the time a team will elevate someone from their practice squad and then they will pick up a street free agent to fill out their practice squad. Only every once in awhile you raid someone elses practice squad.
I remember reading that it is somewhat an unwritten rule that you do not raid someone's PS. If this is true one would sumise this kid might be a player
yerner
11-02-2005, 04:16 PM
I agree, they know about everyone. Its their job. Also, I think that most coaches arent trying to hide players as much as we think. They realize that these players getting on a team is good for them individually, even if its not their squad. Its a job.
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-02-2005, 07:14 PM
Talent evaluators know everyone. There are Mel Kiper juniors working for every N.F.L. squad. However you want to look at it this guy is still practice squad. If he was such a secret weapon don't you think he would be better off on the field?
True except for a minor point. They make Mel Kiper look like a 10 year old in a Victoria Secret Store.
BroncoBuff
11-02-2005, 07:27 PM
His size is a siren song . . .
You should be a writer, sir.
Actually, though - I disagree. IMO, his size was off-putting for a CB, and he doesn't tackle well enough to play safety (remember the last minute of the Chefs MNF? His "toro-toro" tackling blew the TD shutout and spared Vermeil his worst loss ever.)
I'll admit I always loved his cover skills - I still think he's a gifted cover-corner, but I am NOT a REVISIONIST HISTORIAN. I was a staunch Lenny-defender, and own up to it now: I'll take my crow like everybody else - with mashed potatoes, stuffing and a side of cranberry sauce.
Oh, and the Dallas Cowboys for dessert . . .
wabbit
11-02-2005, 08:07 PM
So we bring in some stopgap and see what he can bring...big deal...I'm allready itching for the draft...gonna be a boatload after they give us the comp picks...We might get 6 picks in the first day....At least five...we have two #1's...a second, our third, and I think Hayward will garner another third. Kennedy might be a third or 4th...At any rate, that's alot of meat on the table in a good draft...I hope they have top people on it...TOP PEOPLE...(Indiana Jones)...C'mon Joe Gibbs....you can do it....give us that top ten pick...
Good analysis Mock...and true.
At this stage, our Safeties have proven they are superb against the run & absolutely stink against the pass...yes, I know Fergy has a pick...he also bit without so much as a play fake stepping into a play that saw Owens go 91 yards...and that's just the latest example.
Read & react, and he only reacted, leaving Bailey without deep help.
These other guys are just that...guys..bodies.
Maybe Browner is a player, maybe not. The Marques fellow & our new addition weren't good enough to stick with their teams for a reason, and it's usually the same one in the pros...can defense the run, but can't cover. Can cover, but can't read the plays, or can't defense the run well.
A complete Safety is going to take good scouting & a relatively high draft choice...especially a Free Safety.
Shanahan has treid the FA route...nada. Time to pay the piper...draft high.
ludo21
11-02-2005, 08:10 PM
Good analysis Mock...and true.
At this stage, our Safeties have proven they are superb against the run & absolutely stink against the pass...yes, I know Fergy has a pick...he also bit without so much as a play fake stepping into a play that saw Owens go 91 yards...and that's just the latest example.
Read & react, and he only reacted, leaving Bailey without deep help.
These other guys are just that...guys..bodies.
Maybe Browner is a player, maybe not. The Marques fellow & our new addition weren't good enough to stick with their teams for a reason, and it's usually the same one in the pros...can defense the run, but can't cover. Can cover, but can't read the plays, or can't defense the run well.
A complete Safety is going to take good scouting & a relatively high draft choice...especially a Free Safety.
Shanahan has treid the FA route...nada. Time to pay the piper...draft high.
:charge: I agree. Right behind OL, a Safety would be our next best bet.
Dont forget about our 'body' in Brandon tho, he really started coming along before he got hurt, and he has all the tools to cover well.
What are your thoughts on him btw?
wabbit
11-02-2005, 08:15 PM
[QUOTE=ludo21
...Dont forget about our 'body' in Brandon tho, he really started coming along before he got hurt, and he has all the tools to cover well...
[/QUOTE]
Brandon has proven to be one of those incredibly rare players who could, and did, change his game well into his pro career.
Always known as a tough guy, big hitter & Special Teams gunner, he concentrated on pass coverage & worked with the CBs in Training Camp.
Coaches had him on the bubble, but he worked his way out of trouble late in camp & with strong Pre-Season play.
He was a comer, and his injury has hurt the team more than some might think.
SoCalBronco
11-02-2005, 08:20 PM
Darnell Bing is probably squarely on the team's radar right now......as he should be.
ludo21
11-02-2005, 08:25 PM
Brandon has proven to be one of those incredibly rare players who could, and did, change his game well into his pro career.
Always known as a tough guy, big hitter & Special Teams gunner, he concentrated on pass coverage & worked with the CBs in Training Camp.
Coaches had him on the bubble, but he worked his way out of trouble late in camp & with strong Pre-Season play.
He was a comer, and his injury has hurt the team more than some might think.
TE's are definitely catching more against us since he left. I hope his recovery is quick and he is back by week 10. Heres to hoping.
Hard work usually pays off and im glad it has for Brandon.
ro_50
11-02-2005, 08:27 PM
I wonder if Kyle and Griese drink together.
Bronco Yoda
11-03-2005, 04:02 AM
A complete Safety is going to take good scouting & a relatively high draft choice...especially a Free Safety.
Shanahan has treid the FA route...nada. Time to pay the piper...draft high.
we should be able to do that now that it looks like there's no longer a need to chase any and every CB prospect.
we should be able to do that now that it looks like there's no longer a need to chase any and every CB prospect.
This is true.
REB
1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:
OrangeShadow
11-03-2005, 05:19 AM
Im a huge Browner fan