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GSRelyea

11-01-2005, 11:31 AM

Broncos surprisingly part ways with Walls

.c The Associated Press

DENVER (AP) - The Denver Broncos parted ways with cornerback Lenny Walls on Tuesday, a surprising move that signaled their confidence in fast-improving rookies Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth.

The Broncos placed Walls, a fourth-year player who began the season as the starter opposite Champ Bailey, on the reserve-injured list, meaning they've agreed to a settlement with him and will officially release him in a few weeks.

Walls lost his starting job early in the season and missed the last game with an injured groin.

``That had nothing to do with it,'' coach Mike Shanahan said of the injury. ``It's just the play of some of our younger guys.''

Williams, a second-round pick, has emerged as a starter for Denver. Foxworth, a third-round pick, has become the team's primary nickel back. Last Sunday against Philadelphia, he made a key interception in Denver's 49-21 victory.

11/01/05 14:21 EST

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clint7

11-01-2005, 11:32 AM

Saw an AP link in yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-broncos-walls&prov=ap&type=lgns

Broncos surprisingly part ways with Walls
Broncos surprisingly part ways with Walls

November 1, 2005
DENVER (AP) -- The Denver Broncos parted ways with cornerback Lenny Walls on Tuesday, a surprising move that signaled their confidence in fast-improving rookies Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth.

The Broncos placed Walls, a fourth-year player who began the season as the starter opposite Champ Bailey, on the reserve-injured list, meaning they've agreed to a settlement with him and will officially release him in a few weeks.

Walls lost his starting job early in the season and missed the last game with an injured groin.

``That had nothing to do with it,'' coach Mike Shanahan said of the injury. ``It's just the play of some of our younger guys.''

Williams, a second-round pick, has emerged as a starter for Denver. Foxworth, a third-round pick, has become the team's primary nickel back. Last Sunday against Philadelphia, he made a key interception in Denver's 49-21 victory.

Dukes

11-01-2005, 11:34 AM

So much have having depth :gus:

clint7

11-01-2005, 11:34 AM

Gee, I knew he was falling down the depth chart, but....

fountelway

11-01-2005, 11:36 AM

i dont get this??? we need depth. the last two years and this year our secondary has injuries. maybe paymah is playing better

clint7

11-01-2005, 11:36 AM

More Info:

Broncos place CB Walls on IR with groin strain

November 1, 2005
ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO (TICKER) -- Lenny Walls, who lost his starting cornerback job to rookie Darrent Williams last month, will miss the rest of the season with a right groin strain.

The Denver Broncos placed Walls on injured reserve Tuesday and signed safety Hamza Abdullah from the practice squad of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Walls, 26, started the first three games of the season at right cornerback before losing his job to Williams, a second-round pick in the 2005 draft.

Due to the injury, Walls was inactive for the Broncos' 49-21 win over Philadelphia last Sunday. He recorded 16 tackles, six pass breakups and one forced fumble this season.

The tallest cornerback in the NFL at 6-4, Walls played only seven games last season before being placed on injured reserve with a separated right shoulder.

Denver's starting left cornerback Champ Bailey is nursing a pulled hamstring and missed two games before returning last week. Rookie Domonique Foxworth filled in for Bailey.

bendog

11-01-2005, 11:37 AM

no kidding. Alexander was in long enough to get a penalty on Sunday ... couldn't the just put walls on inactive. well, i guess I'd rather see Cox at corner....

Born-A-Bronco

11-01-2005, 11:38 AM

too bad for Lenny BUT..... he really let us down... I noticed alot of messups. seemed like every big play was right in his face. GOOD luck Lenny!!!!

I Dont think we have any depth issues by letting him go!

Miles likes JAKE
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orange crusher

11-01-2005, 11:38 AM

This is a surprise. You can never have too many db's. I would still rather have Walls in a game over Paymah or Alexander at this point.

BigPlayShay

11-01-2005, 11:40 AM

i dont get this??? we need depth. the last two years and this year our secondary has injuries. maybe paymah is playing better

Or Roc. He was active for the Philly game.

clint7

11-01-2005, 11:40 AM

I would still rather have Walls in a game over Paymah or Alexander at this point.

Not to mention some dude named Hamza Abdullah...kinda a cool name though. :)

Dukes

11-01-2005, 11:40 AM

Don't worry about Lenny, in two weeks he'll be a Bengal and starting finishing the season with 4 picks

rbackfactory80

11-01-2005, 11:41 AM

With Champ being a question mark and the average height of our corners being 4 foot, I would have liked to keep him around to help defend Moss in a couple of weeks.

clint7

11-01-2005, 11:42 AM

By the way, did Lenny have more defensive penalties called against him this year than he had pass defends? Seemed like when he was in there every other damn flag was on him.

orange 4 life

11-01-2005, 11:42 AM

its a shame, but i gotta be honest and say i think he got complacent.

he seemed that way on the field, and it sure seemed to me he was that way OFF the field as well.
he worked his butt off just to make the team the first year, and he kept working to get into the starting lineup.

once that happened (coupled with the injuries), he just seemed to rest on his laurels.
he celebrated every tackle or pass defended as if it was the end of the superbowl, and he turned right around and got a flag or got beat.

anyway, its certainly disappointing that it didnt work out, but the solid play of the rooks made him dispensable, and once champ is fully healthy, he really isnt a guy we want or need out there.

jake

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 11:43 AM

!Booya!

ND Bronco Fan

11-01-2005, 11:44 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that maybe there was a falling out or something more that contributed to this? Even if he was demoted to #4 you keep him around for depth unless something else is going on.

PatsWin2002

11-01-2005, 11:44 AM

I wonder if he'll end up here.

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 11:45 AM

!Booya!

orange 4 life

11-01-2005, 11:46 AM

By the way, did Lenny have more defensive penalties called against him this year than he had pass defends? Seemed like when he was in there every other damn flag was on him.

you gotta think that was part of the decision.

like i said on the other thread, he celebrated every play he made like it was the last play of the superbowl, and then he turned right around and got a flag thrown at him the next play.

its a shame, but i think he got complacent, and it cost him.

best of luck to him.
someone will nab him up.

orange crusher

11-01-2005, 11:46 AM

I wonder if he'll end up here.

That crossed my mind too. I also thought about Indy, Pit, & KC as possibilities.

clint7

11-01-2005, 11:47 AM

like i said on the other thread, he celebrated every play he made like it was the last play of the superbowl, and then he turned right around and got a flag thrown at him the next play.

Yeah, he seemed to do a lot of chest thumping. It was like watching King Kong play DB.

fountelway

11-01-2005, 11:48 AM

i dont know, i still say we should of kept him. you never know whats going to happen with injury's. unless he said or did something against the team. then i understand letting him go.

jmz313

11-01-2005, 11:48 AM

You got to figure he wasn't happy and the broncos had to let him go. I doubt we'd send him packing right now unless he was becoming a distraction.

DarkHorse

11-01-2005, 11:48 AM

Exposed - finally - took long enough.

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 11:50 AM

Exposed - finally - took long enough.

^5

watermock

11-01-2005, 11:50 AM

I think the first article is more accurate. He's history. Besides, every team needs an Al Queda operative on the team. Ha!

Hamza Abdullah...hmmm...seriously, they might see something in this guy...Gruden is one of the only coaches I consider elite...despite his team getting thrashed by SF last week...that was certainly odd.

We seem to be pretty good these days at shaking the bushes...C. Cox had a pretty damn good game Sunday...Bert Berry was taken off the street...Droughns too. We seem to be better at digging thru the dumpster than drafting. Denver has a staggering number of castoffs that are playing well. I hope this guy can cover. That's what we need...I don't need a woo lick...I want someone that makes the woo lick irrelevant...you don't have to hit him hard if he can't catch the ball. I'll say it again...the era of the big hitter safety are over. Yeah, there are still the Roy Williams out there, but he's raked over the coals for his average at best coverage skills.

Rascal

11-01-2005, 11:54 AM

Wow. Not sure I like it though with Champ being out, we have a history of losing CB's as the season progresses and we might need him later this year.

Why couldn't we have at least traded him for something instead of just cutting him?

Wonder who will fill his roster spot?

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 11:56 AM

Just the other day in the "Should we trade Lenny" thread I had stated we should try to get a ham sandwich for him. I guess that was asking to much for old Lenny 'hands on' Walls.

DarkHorse30

11-01-2005, 11:56 AM

Bronco_Beerslug

11-01-2005, 11:58 AM

Yeah, he seemed to do a lot of chest thumping. It was like watching King Kong play DB.
He sure has a higher opinion of himself than I've ever had of him.

Alkazar

11-01-2005, 11:58 AM

Either way, Walls wasn't contributing like we needed him to. Let the rooks play, they seem to be doing more than Walls when it counts.

Moon§hiner

11-01-2005, 11:59 AM

I'm guessing he must have been vocal about being demoted...that and him coming up for a contract year must have been enough to cut him loose...I too wonder about the timing, seems odd.....wasn't he nursing a hamstring or something last week from practice?

clint7

11-01-2005, 12:01 PM

Just the other day in the "Should we trade Lenny" thread I had stated we should try to get a ham sandwich for him. I guess that was asking to much for old Lenny 'hands on' Walls.

Ha! LOL Ha! :~ohyah!:

Here's a little about Mr. Hamza Abdullah ( I gotta get a jersey with that name on it)

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/abdullah_hamza

Hamza Abdullah
Position: Strong Safety
College: Washington State
Height: 6-2
Weight: 213
Hometown: Pomona, Calif.

OVERVIEW
A late bloomer who finally came into his own as a senior, Abdullah made up for lost time by demonstrating excellent zone coverage ability as a senior. Injuries hampered his career during his first two seasons with the Cougars. With only two years of football experience at Pomona (Calif.) High School, he spent the 2000 season at Washington State as a redshirt.

A knee injury limited him to seven games in 2001, and he totaled four tackles. A hand injury would limit Abdullah to nine games of special teams action in 2002, as he recorded 9 tackles (8 solos). He continued to perform in a reserve role as a junior, coming up with 21 tackles (15 solos) in 12 games. Abdullah then won the free safety job as a senior, collecting 70 tackles (44 solos) with 3½ stops for losses, a sack and an interception.

Abdullah also enjoyed his final season at Washington State for personal reasons, as he was joined on the team by his brother, Husain, who backed up Hamza at the free safety position in 2004. Abdullah finished his career with 104 tackles (69 solos), a 4-yard sack, 4½ stops for losses of 12 yards, an interception, nine pass deflections and four forced fumbles while appearing in 39 games.

ANALYSIS
Positives: Well-defined athlete with a frame that could add bulk without any dropoff in his quickness … Stays low in his stance and drives with his legs to rock the ball carriers back in run support … Breaks sharply on the ball and shows good change-of-direction agility working in the zone … Has the hip swerve and fluid lateral agility to string plays wide and is strong enough to step up and effectively fill the rush lanes … Catches with his hands extended away from his framework and has developed good ball-anticipation skills … Punishing tackler who stays at a low pad level to quickly drag down and secure the receivers … Takes good angles to the ball … Very effective being used as the eighth man in the box.

Negatives: Needs to do a better job of recognizing plays as they develop, as he is a step late reacting to the thrown ball … Peeks into the backfield too long and does not have the acceleration to recover when beaten … Gets sloppy at times in his attempts to make the tackles, not extending his arms properly to wrap the opponent … Struggles to shed blocks in tight quarters and needs to develop better hand usage to keep blockers off his feet … Has problems matching up with the receivers in isolated coverage, as he appears too cautious when having to mirror the opponent's moves.

INJURY REPORT
2001 -- Sat out the Washington game and the Sun Bowl after suffering a knee sprain vs. Arizona State.

2002 -- Sat out the Montana State, California and Southern California contests with a compound dislocation of a finger on his right hand.

2003 -- Missed the Holiday Bowl clash vs. Texas after suffering a bruised knee in practice.

AGILITY
4.65 in the 40-yard dash … 330-pound bench press … 32-inch vertical jump.

HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Pomona (Calif.) High School, playing football for coach John Capraro … Earned two varsity letters as a safety … Also competed in track in the high jump … All-league pick as a senior, recording 115 tackles, forced nine fumbles and had three interceptions … Also named to the All-Inland Valley team and was team's defensive back MVP.

PERSONAL
Business major … Brother, Husain, was a teammate and freshman safety at Washington State in 2004 … Son of Yusuf and Sa'eeda Johnwell … Resides in Pomona, Calif.

Kaylore

11-01-2005, 12:03 PM

That's too bad. I was hoping that he would turn things around. Looks like Herndon was the better choice. Oh well, drafting two starters in the second and third round more than makes up for it.

Rascal

11-01-2005, 12:04 PM

He is slow.

DarkHorse30

11-01-2005, 12:05 PM

.....he celebrated every play he made like it was the last play of the superbowl, and then he turned right around and got a flag thrown at him the next play.

Agreed. I'm not disappointed with this decision. I am bummed that Lenny didn't have the brains to know he could have made his career with a solid 8 game stretch this season. Somehow 2 rooks figured it out...

Also, it's good that Denver doesn't protect players that don't earn their spot. Watts demotion paved the way for 2 good WRs that have changed games with their play. Maybe Lenny was standing in the way of another developing player...

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 12:05 PM

He is slow.

Ya and it looks like they cut and pasted Lennys "negatives" on to Mr. Abuhulihmaisha's profile. :(

Old Dude

11-01-2005, 12:06 PM

Anybody else worried about Champ?

Sat out all four preseason games, two regular season games, and that hamstring still hasn't healed.

clint7

11-01-2005, 12:07 PM

Hamza Abdullah: Brother, Husain; son of Yusuf and Sa'eeda Johnwell.

Geez, those would be some tough ones on Wheel of Fortune. :)

"Huh...I'll take a 'z,' Pat." :kiddingme

Mile High Shack

11-01-2005, 12:11 PM

That's too bad. I was hoping that he would turn things around. Looks like Herndon was the better choice. Oh well, drafting two starters in the second and third round more than makes up for it.

ain't that the truth

we freakin' kept Walls and let Herndon go, makes no sense that move.......

I have hated Walls for 2 years now, so I'm not unhappy, but still irritated we let Herndon go

ND Bronco Fan

11-01-2005, 12:11 PM

Anybody else worried about Champ?

Sat out all four preseason games, two regular season games, and that hamstring still hasn't healed.

I've almost convinced myself that Champ will never be 100% this year....for the exact same reason you just stated. Will it be better after the bye week-absolutley but is he miraculously going to be completely healed, doubtful. IMO

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 12:13 PM

So, who gets his roster spot?

It's already been said, but I want to chime in on the thing about him being vocal about being demoted. It's got to be something like that. I also wonder if it isn't sending a little message to Darius Watts about the same thing. In other words, keep your mouth shut and work hard, or you're next.

Good-bye, Lenny. We hardly knew ye. Well, actually - we knew ye too well. Either way, good-bye.

We need to blast whomever has Lenny Walls as their adopt-a-Bronco with negative REP. Or at least flog them.

Ray Finkle

11-01-2005, 12:13 PM

I think it just says that Brandon will be back soon and someone destroyed the pictures Walls had of Shanny and the goat...

NaptownChief

11-01-2005, 12:15 PM

And to think this guy was a football legend around here about 7 or 8 months ago....

Boy how the mighty can fall...and quick.

Mile High Shack

11-01-2005, 12:18 PM

And to think this guy was a football legend around here about 7 or 8 months ago....

Boy how the mighty can fall...and quick.

you are lumping people in the wrong boat buddy

only about 20% of bronco fans really liked him

at least gauging from here

BigPlayShay

11-01-2005, 12:18 PM

And to think this guy was a football legend around here about 7 or 8 months ago....

Like Goooooonter?

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 12:19 PM

And to think this guy was a football legend around here about 7 or 8 months ago....

Boy how the mighty can fall...and quick.
Is that just a comment pulled straight from the deep recesses of your bowels, or do you have someone specific in mind?

NaptownChief

11-01-2005, 12:20 PM

you are lumping people in the wrong boat buddy

only about 20% of bronco fans really liked him

at least gauging from here

Like Clarrett eh?

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 12:21 PM

Like Clarrett eh?
Ah, so it was pulled straight from the deep recesses of your bowels. Should have guessed as much.

NaptownChief

11-01-2005, 12:22 PM

Is that just a comment pulled straight from the deep recesses of your bowels, or do you have someone specific in mind?

More of the former than that latter...No one specific in mind but I do recall many thinking you guys were nicely dialed in at CB with Bailey and Walls in the offseason.

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 12:26 PM

More of the former than that latter...No one specific in mind but I do recall many thinking you guys were nicely dialed in at CB with Bailey and Walls in the offseason.
Hey, thanks for being honest!

Rascal

11-01-2005, 12:27 PM

Well we found two people better then walls :)

You guys might need him though. Were is that picture of Gunther going through our trash???

I'm guessing he didn't like the demotion or something...must have done something to deserve this.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:28 PM

I told you this guys was a bum...I told you.

Rascal

11-01-2005, 12:28 PM

Why did we not keep Herndon instead of Walls...WHY!!!!!!

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:29 PM

With Champ being a question mark and the average height of our corners being 4 foot, I would have liked to keep him around to help defend Moss in a couple of weeks.

Why...he'd just give up TD's to him

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:30 PM

Exposed - finally - took long enough.

REP!

NaptownChief

11-01-2005, 12:30 PM

Well Mock deserves credit for calling this one however a few others not so good:

http://72.22.74.110/BB/showthread.php?t=10277&highlight=Walls

Lenny Walls (IMO a future pro-bowler) was found as an undrafted FA.

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Your kidding me right?

Walls got crossed up more than a cheap trick once they started going stop and go patterns on him. Don't expect it to change.

I think Walls has potential to be great though.

Gonzo Praising Easy for Best Post ever for Walls comments

Best post I have ever read at the Mane. Seriously. Easymobee, glad to see someone here uses their mind instead of the SportingNews or the NFL draft when writing their posts.

Here's the real question, if noone here knew that Walls was an undrafted free agent and saw what he accomplished in only his second year in the league, would anyone in their right mind try to diss this guy? Hmmmm, think about it...

Bronco LB 59

11-01-2005, 12:30 PM

Why did we not keep Herndon instead of Walls...WHY!!!!!!

5 years, $15 million, $4.5 million signing bonus

That's why.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:31 PM

I know depth is an issue...but Walls appears to be a poser. The guy has been merely adequate at his position, is not a good tackler, and gets injured in nearly every game. Denver needed him at the Giants, and he disappeared in the first quarter. What's the point of keeping him?

Like with Deltha, if a CB only has "potential" and never delivers, let him go.

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I more of the opinion that David Gibbs was the problem with O'Neal...and him having been switched to offense and then traded plus better coaching has made him realize his true potential

Rascal

11-01-2005, 12:33 PM

5 years, $15 million, $4.5 million signing bonus

That's why.

Sorry but no.

We had the option of signing either Walls or Herndon in RFA and we choose Walls. After we failed to sign Herndon in RFA he became a FA and was picked up by Seattle.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:34 PM

This is an a-plus for the staff....the guy was lacks on the field and you need to let the rest of the team know that this type of behavior is unacceptable...I'm just sorry we had to let Herndon go. He was obviously the better of the two.

errand

11-01-2005, 12:34 PM

Exposed - finally - took long enough.

Good riddance....

I mean when you allow the Jags Jimmy Smith to score on a slant...oh, wait, that wasn't Lenny....

Well there was that last second pass that Toomer caught that cost us the win....oh, crap, that wasn't Lenny either.....

Well if you saw how stupid he looked on that 91 yard Td TO scored on.....

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:35 PM

Good riddance....

I mean when you allow the Jags Jimmy Smith to score on a slant...oh, wait, that wasn't Lenny....

Well there was that last second pass that Toomer caught that cost us the win....oh, crap, that wasn't Lenny either.....

Well if you saw how stupid he looked on that 91 yard Td TO scored on.....

Did you see the Chiefs game at the end...that tells you everything you ever needed to know about Too Tall Lenny Walls.

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 12:36 PM

Good riddance....

I mean when you allow the Jags Jimmy Smith to score on a slant...oh, wait, that wasn't Lenny....

Well there was that last second pass that Toomer caught that cost us the win....oh, crap, that wasn't Lenny either.....

Well if you saw how stupid he looked on that 91 yard Td TO scored on.....
So, we should have cut Champ instead? I don't get it. What is your point?

Crowpointer

11-01-2005, 12:37 PM

he's done such a bangup job covering the deep ball all year (including your own Rod Smith)

errand

11-01-2005, 12:41 PM

So, we should have cut Champ instead? I don't get it. What is your point?

Walls isn't as bad as many on here claim, sure he's no Louis Wright, then again who the hell is?

.....the point is we got alot of fans on here busting on Walls, and yet he's not the guy that has been getting torched for TD's or schooled by them.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:43 PM

Walls isn't as bad as many on here claim, sure he's no Louis Wright, then again who the hell is?

.....the point is we got alot of fans on here busting on Walls, and yet he's not the guy that has been getting torched for TD's or schooled by them.

You're crazy...he's a terrible football player and a low tier corner.

errand

11-01-2005, 12:46 PM

Did you see the Chiefs game at the end...that tells you everything you ever needed to know about Too Tall Lenny Walls.

And others said the same type of things about Jake after the Miami game....

the point being other than that one game, he's played alot better than that, at least he's not allowing big plays and TD's, which is more than I can say for a few other DB's we got.

BMF Bronco

11-01-2005, 12:47 PM

Clockwork Orange

11-01-2005, 12:49 PM

And to think this guy was a football legend around here about 7 or 8 months ago....

Boy how the mighty can fall...and quick.

Like Kendrell Bell?

Ratboy

11-01-2005, 12:50 PM

And some people thought he was going to be the starter. We messed up taking Walls instead of Herndon.

errand

11-01-2005, 12:52 PM

You're crazy...he's a terrible football player and a low tier corner.

Yeah, Tory James was considered a marginal player while here as well....now he's making the Pro Bowl in Cincy....

If you guys want to depend on rookies against, Porter and Moss, or in the playoffs should we meet the likes of Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, Dallas Clark, and Marvin Harrison...fine. Hope they come thru for us.

It just seems weird that Lenny is losing his job and Roc Alexander still has his.

Clockwork Orange

11-01-2005, 12:52 PM

And some people thought he was going to be the starter. We messed up taking Walls instead of Herndon.

Paying Kelly Herndon what Seattle did would have been a mistake. Especially considering the play of Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth.

Broncoman13

11-01-2005, 12:54 PM

And to think this guy was a football legend around here about 7 or 8 months ago....

Boy how the mighty can fall...and quick.

I'll admit that I had some pretty high expectations of Walls about 7 or 8 months ago. It also sounded in Training Camp like he was going to have a good season. I can take being wrong about him. Can you take being wrong about having an improved defense?

Rascal

11-01-2005, 12:54 PM

Ratboy

11-01-2005, 12:57 PM

Paying Kelly Herndon what Seattle did would have been a mistake. Especially considering the play of Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth.

We could have given him the 1.??? tendor instead of walls.

GreatBronco16

11-01-2005, 12:58 PM

Thank freaking God. It says a lot when you are getting beat out by rookies. Walls had this coming. He lacks the cover skills, and he also never looks for the ball in air and just stares down the WR. I rather a rookie give up a catch trying to make a play on the ball than watch Walls follow a WR down the field only to just let him make the catch from never looking for the ball. Oh well, we don't lose anything really, and I'm sure his trade value was nothing. Time to let the rookies fly to the ball, and time for Cox to show us what he can do.

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 01:01 PM

Walls isn't as bad as many on here claim, sure he's no Louis Wright, then again who the hell is?

.....the point is we got alot of fans on here busting on Walls, and yet he's not the guy that has been getting torched for TD's or schooled by them.
Well, it's hard to get torched for TDs when you aren't on the field. Has Lenny caught Marty Booker yet?

55CrushEm

11-01-2005, 01:05 PM

^5

Great move.....Walls had horrible fundamentals....worst tackler on our team.

yavoon

11-01-2005, 01:06 PM

man all the walls support just disappeared!

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 01:06 PM

Yeah, Tory James was considered a marginal player while here as well....now he's making the Pro Bowl in Cincy....

If you guys want to depend on rookies against, Porter and Moss, or in the playoffs should we meet the likes of Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, Dallas Clark, and Marvin Harrison...fine. Hope they come thru for us.

It just seems weird that Lenny is losing his job and Roc Alexander still has his.

Because unlike Too Tall Lenny Walls, Roc Alexander is a good football player and more importantly.wants to be a good football player. And if you think that Lenny Walls wasn't a liability...you're crazy. So yes...I would rather have our Rookies covering the likes of Porter, Moss, Wayne, and anybody...because they've proven that they can hang...and our d-line is helping them too.

errand

11-01-2005, 01:07 PM

Well, it's hard to get torched for TDs when you aren't on the field. Has Lenny caught Marty Booker yet?

What's was that? Oh no never mind Reggie Wayne just scored again on Roc Alexander.......

BTW, didn't we win that KC game?

The two top rookies have 30 tackles each.....Champ has 17, and Walls has 16.

And old saying is "as a CB, you didn't make 30 tackles, you allowed 30 completions".

Look, I love the Broncos not anyone player, I'd get rid of anyone if it imrpoves the team, I just don't see whwere the team improved itself by getting rid of him and keeping Alexander.

Broncoman13

11-01-2005, 01:07 PM

I'm in no way a Lenny Walls supporter. He's pissed me off all season, but how much sense does this really make? DWill has come out of three games with cramps or ankle injuries. He missed one all together. DWill is better than Lenny no question. Foxxy is better as well. I just don't trust anybody in our "wounded" secondary to be 100% every week. So doesn't it make sense to have "warm bodies" that can play???

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 01:07 PM

Paying Kelly Herndon what Seattle did would have been a mistake. Especially considering the play of Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth.

agreed..but had we choosen him outright...we maybe could have got him to stay for much less before FA started.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 01:09 PM

NaptownChief

11-01-2005, 01:09 PM

I'll admit that I had some pretty high expectations of Walls about 7 or 8 months ago. It also sounded in Training Camp like he was going to have a good season. I can take being wrong about him. Can you take being wrong about having an improved defense?

I don't have to as it has improved. 29th ranked in points allowed last year versus 22nd this year. 31st in yards allowed last year and 26th this year. They might still struggle to stop a good HS team but improved nonetheless. Nyah!

azbroncfan

11-01-2005, 01:10 PM

Don't worry about Lenny, in two weeks he'll be a Bengal and starting finishing the season with 4 picks
Only if the balls stick in his facemask. He is never close to a pick this dude is as anti ballhawk as it gets. I never thought he was athletic enough to get it done as a corner.

errand

11-01-2005, 01:10 PM

Because unlike Too Tall Lenny Walls, Roc Alexander is a good football player and more importantly.wants to be a good football player. And if you think that Lenny Walls wasn't a liability...you're crazy. So yes...I would rather have our Rookies covering the likes of Porter, Moss, Wayne, and anybody...because they've proven that they can hang...and our d-line is helping them too.

I'll give you the point that perhaps the rooks want it more, fine...but please don't come in here and especially don't come in here after the entire world saw him getting whipped like a redheaded step child and tell me that Roc Alexander is a good football player.

BTW Roc's stellar performance in last year's wild card game is why Shanny drafted 3 DB's to begin with.......

Broncoman13

11-01-2005, 01:11 PM

I don't have to as it has improved. 29th ranked in points allowed last year versus 22nd this year. 31st in yards allowed last year and 26th this year. They might still struggle to stop a good HS team but improved nonetheless. Nyah!

I bet that hurt just to type that huh... $20 million in upgrades bought you what 2 points saved per game and maybe 30 yards...... SAD!

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 01:11 PM

And others said the same type of things about Jake after the Miami game....

the point being other than that one game, he's played alot better than that, at least he's not allowing big plays and TD's, which is more than I can say for a few other DB's we got.

uh-ah...no way...what I posted was just an easy to find example. Walls has always chest thumbed when a WR drops a ball...and then gets burnt on the next play...or he's out of position. Or he's injured. You're wrong.

GreatBronco16

11-01-2005, 01:14 PM

55CrushEm

11-01-2005, 01:15 PM

Only if the balls stick in his facemask.

Hilarious!

rofl

Too funny !! But how true....we are a better team without Walls. Classic underachiever, horrible tackler, and lousy in coverage....

On the flip side, Darrent and Dominique have GREAT fundamentals.....good in coverage, and IMO, excellent tackling ability.

watermock

11-01-2005, 01:17 PM

Why did we not keep Herndon instead of Walls...WHY!!!!!!

Because Herndon was overpaid by another team...he was a FREE AGENT...when a player is a free agent, he's not even a member of the team...you can tag him, which would of been rediculous...I'm sure Herndon got an offer from us. He was a nickle back and he got starting #2 money elsewhere. I can't remember where he went, but he cashed in, since we pulled him off the street...I think the front office is doing a fine job...we give Herndon a big payday...we wouldn't have other players...bottom line.

errand

11-01-2005, 01:19 PM

Only if the balls stick in his facemask. He is never close to a pick this dude is as anti ballhawk as it gets. I never thought he was athletic enough to get it done as a corner.

While grabbing INT's is great, it's not the only criteria. Louis Wright didn't intercept alot of passes, but few excelled at man coverage like he did. Steve Atwater rarely intercepted passes, but you knew to bring your head on a swivel if you dared to cross the middle in front of him.

Again, I'm all for improving the Broncos, I'd trade Bell, Wilson, Rod, Jake, whoever if I knew we could get whatever peice to a SB title was missing in return...but the guys I see getting burned for TD's aren't Walls, and if we go with Roc Alexander as our #4 DB....well , I'm not sure he's better than most team's 4th WR.

Atlas

11-01-2005, 01:20 PM

NaptownChief

11-01-2005, 01:20 PM

Because Herndon was overpaid by another team...he was a FREE AGENT...when a player is a free agent, he's not even a member of the team...you can tag him, which would of been rediculous...I'm sure Herndon got an offer from us. He was a nickle back and he got starting #2 money elsewhere. I can't remember where he went, but he cashed in, since we pulled him off the street...I think the front office is doing a fine job...we give Herndon a big payday...we wouldn't have other players...bottom line.

Yeah but didn't the Donks put a tag on Walls and not Herndon or make a higher qualifying offer or something like that? I seem to recall something of the sort.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 01:21 PM

I'll give you the point that perhaps the rooks want it more, fine...but please don't come in here and especially don't come in here after the entire world saw him getting whipped like a redheaded step child and tell me that Roc Alexander is a good football player.

BTW Roc's stellar performance in last year's wild card game is why Shanny drafted 3 DB's to begin with.......

I really don't think you're in a position to tell us what Shanahan was thinking...or the reason he does anything. However, you could be right, but I doubt that would be the only reason. Another reason we drafted all those corners IMO is because of Randy Moss and the Raiders, the passing attack of SD, and especially the passing attack of the Chiefs. The reason Roc is a good football player is because he wants to be...he plays special teams rather well...and he has some speed on him...but if you want to hold his first every start against him over trash like Lenny Walls.....go ahead. It just makes you look naive.

GreatBronco16

11-01-2005, 01:23 PM

I bet that hurt just to type that huh... $20 million in upgrades bought you what 2 points saved per game and maybe 30 yards...... SAD!

Actually they are giving up 11 less yards per game, and 5 fewer points per game. But that is still pathetic compared to what we heard they were gonna do this year with the great Bell in there. It is pretty sad when their lone bright spot on their _efense is a rookie.

Broncoman13

11-01-2005, 01:23 PM

Because Herndon was overpaid by another team...he was a FREE AGENT...when a player is a free agent, he's not even a member of the team...you can tag him, which would of been rediculous...I'm sure Herndon got an offer from us. He was a nickle back and he got starting #2 money elsewhere. I can't remember where he went, but he cashed in, since we pulled him off the street...I think the front office is doing a fine job...we give Herndon a big payday...we wouldn't have other players...bottom line.

He wasn't a free agent, he was in the exact same position as Lenny Walls. We chose to give Walls the 1st round tender rather than Herndon. Eventually we would have had to come up with more money for either, but we could have kept Herndon this year for the exact same money it took to keep Lenny..... that or we would have ended up with a first round pick!

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 01:23 PM

...............
but the guys I see getting burned for TD's aren't Walls,

He gets torched everytime he's on the field, and the reason you didn't see it Sunday was because Walls wasn't on the field. Admit it...you're wrong.

Pezman

11-01-2005, 01:26 PM

He wasn't a free agent, he was in the exact same position as Lenny Walls. We chose to give Walls the 1st round tender rather than Herndon. Eventually we would have had to come up with more money for either, but we could have kept Herndon this year for the exact same money it took to keep Lenny..... that or we would have ended up with a first round pick!

I am still puzzled as to the timing if nothing else bro. Is there some way that this will help our salary cap with this move? Very strange motivations behind this one indeed.

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 01:29 PM

What's was that? Oh no never mind Reggie Wayne just scored again on Roc Alexander.......

BTW, didn't we win that KC game?

The two top rookies have 30 tackles each.....Champ has 17, and Walls has 16.

And old saying is "as a CB, you didn't make 30 tackles, you allowed 30 completions".

Look, I love the Broncos not anyone player, I'd get rid of anyone if it imrpoves the team, I just don't see whwere the team improved itself by getting rid of him and keeping Alexander.
Well, I'm not arguing with you - not in anything but a friendly way, anyway. But the comparison with Roc and Reggie Wayne is poor, in my opinion. Roc was a rookie that got thrown into a bad situation because of an injury (ironically, at least in part because of an injury to Lenny Walls). Lenny Walls has been around long enough to have left most of his developing in his rear-view mirror. He just doesn't get to be held to the same standard as the younger guys, because he's a veteran.

And the reference I made to Marty Booker was actually the Miami game. Lenny Walls chased him down the field for 60 yards without being able to catch him. Neither Walls nor Booker looked very fast in the process.

azbroncfan

11-01-2005, 01:29 PM

While grabbing INT's is great, it's not the only criteria. Louis Wright didn't intercept alot of passes, but few excelled at man coverage like he did. Steve Atwater rarely intercepted passes, but you knew to bring your head on a swivel if you dared to cross the middle in front of him.

Again, I'm all for improving the Broncos, I'd trade Bell, Wilson, Rod, Jake, whoever if I knew we could get whatever peice to a SB title was missing in return...but the guys I see getting burned for TD's aren't Walls, and if we go with Roc Alexander as our #4 DB....well , I'm not sure he's better than most team's 4th WR.
I know INT's aren't the only criteria but the guy is never even near the ball. You tell me one time I mean one time where he had a pick like foxworth last week. He never made a play that changed the game.

Broncoman13

11-01-2005, 01:31 PM

I am too Pez. The only thing I can think of has been mentioned a few times. He was becoming a distraction. There's no doubt in my mind that DWill and Foxxy have more potential. There better now! But, you have to consider that for whatever reason our secondary isn't our healthiest unit. I'm much rather have Lenny Walls giving his all as the 3rd or 4th CB in a pinch as opposed to some street FA. And, like I said in an eariler post we're already having a lot of injuries at CB. Champ, DWill, Lenny, Roc... they've all missed time. Doesn't make much sense at all.

yavoon

11-01-2005, 01:33 PM

so does shanny get the blame if champ gets injured and paymah or roc have to cover stokley? or some other combination of peyton going bonkers.

Clockwork Orange

11-01-2005, 01:35 PM

so does shanny get the blame if champ gets injured and paymah or roc have to cover stokley? or some other combination of peyton going bonkers.

Yes.

errand

11-01-2005, 01:35 PM

He gets torched everytime he's on the field, and the reason you didn't see it Sunday was because Walls wasn't on the field. Admit it...you're wrong.

He didn't get torched in the Jags game....so your claim that he gets burned "everytime" he's on the field, is well, inaccurate.

and what am I wrong about? ....that the people now getting beat for TD's aren't Lenny Walls?

Crushaholic

11-01-2005, 01:36 PM

I'm with the camp that says there was something going on behind the scenes for this move to be made now. Maybe Walls wasn't happy about being "depth". This guy Abdullah may have the same downside as Walls, but he was probably happy with being "depth" and not griping about starting.

Just a theory...

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 01:45 PM

Walls got penalties left and right in a short period time he was actually on the field.

That truly pissed me off.

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 01:54 PM

He didn't get torched in the Jags game....so your claim that he gets burned "everytime" he's on the field, is well, inaccurate.

He got freaking yanked in the middle of a drive during the Jags game because he was getting exposed play after play after crappy play.

Smiling Assassin27

11-01-2005, 02:03 PM

don't forget that Brandon was playing some CB as well and doing a pretty good job. lenny's expendable and a tackling liability--bon voyage, lenster.

Elway 4 Life

11-01-2005, 02:04 PM

He's big guy that I think they hoped would develop into something and never did. He was always hurt and when he wasnt he was picked on, which will happen when you have champ an the other side. Lenny just didnt make many plays. He had a chance and he didnt impress shanny, sure as hell didnt impress me. Lets embrace the development of our rookie corners.

baja

11-01-2005, 02:10 PM

5 years, $15 million, $4.5 million signing bonus

That's why.

That's not the reason, it's because we but the 1 tag on Walls and the 4 tag on Herdan, that is the cost to the team signing our RFA

watermock

11-01-2005, 02:17 PM

He wasn't a free agent, he was in the exact same position as Lenny Walls. We chose to give Walls the 1st round tender rather than Herndon. Eventually we would have had to come up with more money for either, but we could have kept Herndon this year for the exact same money it took to keep Lenny..... that or we would have ended up with a first round pick!

Maybe, but I think Walls was RFA and Herndon a true FA. I do know that if you don't draft them, you won't get a comp pick...we should get comp picks for Hayward and Kenoy next year. We are going to have a boatload of picks next year.

bendog

11-01-2005, 02:18 PM

yeah, but he outplayed herndon in the past, and Kelly reportedly isn't playing that great either. I dunno what happened to the guy. He just sucked this year

ro_50

11-01-2005, 02:20 PM

I'm suprised.

Shanny does like Cox a lot because of his ability to play special teams, safety and CB.

So Champ, DW, and Foxworth are the top three.

Behind them are Cox, Paymah, Alexander.

I guess Cox is 4th, Paymah and Alexander fight it out for 6th.

I'm suprised, but I guess Shanny and his staff think the youngsters can get it done.

Broncoman13

11-01-2005, 02:23 PM

Maybe, but I think Walls was RFA and Herndon a true FA. I do know that if you don't draft them, you won't get a comp pick...we should get comp picks for Hayward and Kenoy next year. We are going to have a boatload of picks next year.

Nope to the Herdon being a true FA. Same exact situation as Walls. I don't know about the comp pick for a non-drafted player???

watermock

11-01-2005, 02:27 PM

I am still puzzled as to the timing if nothing else bro. Is there some way that this will help our salary cap with this move? Very strange motivations behind this one indeed.

He had a groin injury to boot. The guy was ALWAYS INJURED...Let's see what this Alla Akbar guy can do.

OrangeDoofus

11-01-2005, 02:40 PM

From the article:

Under the terms of the reserve-injured list, Walls will rehab with the Broncos until he's better, then he'll be released and free to sign with another team.

If you're a Bronco, and you're at the facility this week or next, and you're walking down the hallway and you see Lenny Walls coming the other way... is that awkward or what?

Victor

11-01-2005, 02:45 PM

Clearly we need to go to Paul Harvey for "the rest of the story". Something is going on that we don't know about and we can speculate all day, is Lenny:

1. Injured too often
2. A distraction in the room
3. Lazy
4. Lacking talent
5. Eclipsed by the new blood
6. A system cornerback (I don't know what I mean by that, but I had to throw it in)

Anyway, there is more to this than meets the eye and I hope that Mr. Wabbit can get to the bottom of the story.

What's up doc?

broncosteven

11-01-2005, 03:00 PM

Shanny must not have been able to get a 7th round pick for him by the trade dead line.

elsid13

11-01-2005, 03:09 PM

Ok, it never dull in Dove Valley. Walls had the potential to be good starting corner, but for whatever reason it didn't work out. Hopefully he does well where he ends up.

By the way the revisionist history around needs to stop, 90% of the mane had high hopes for this guy at the beginning of the season and where glad we signed him instead of Herdon. He was outplayed by two young guys, doesn't mean that he wasn't a good player for us!!!!

Bronx33

11-01-2005, 03:14 PM

I got a parting song for lenny and it goes to the tune by journey called (ohhh cheri) but only replace cheri with lenny (Ohh lenny)........;D

elsid13

11-01-2005, 03:16 PM

He got freaking yanked in the middle of a drive during the Jags game because he was getting exposed play after play after crappy play.

Hotrod, he was pulled because he had cramps. He not Champ, but he not Denver verision of Delta either.

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 03:20 PM

Hotrod, he was pulled because he had cramps. He not Champ, but he not Denver verision of Delta either.

Your thinking of the Miami game I think. In the Jags game he was being flat out schooled. Either way I wont miss him.

As far as your privious comments about "revisionist history" I fully admit I had very high hopes for Lenny of course I had high hopes for Watts also. Things change.

BroncoInferno

11-01-2005, 03:25 PM

Why did we not keep Herndon instead of Walls...WHY!!!!!!

Because Walls appeared to be the more talented player. He had a very impressive 2003 campaign, finishing I believe second in the league in passes defensed, and did a very good job overall as our #1 corner. Then he had health issues last season, but looked to be recovered from those. For whatever reason, he has been unable to get his mojo back. Obviously, with hindsight it's easy to say we should have gone with Herndon, but at the time it made perfect sense. I think Walls will go the way of Deltha and Tory James and become a solid starter for someone down the line.

elsid13

11-01-2005, 03:29 PM

Your thinking of the Miami game I think. In the Jags game he was being flat out schooled. Either way I wont miss him.

As far as your privious comments about "revisionist history" I fully admit I had very high hopes for Lenny of course I had high hopes for Watts also. Things change.

Wasn't try to call anyone out, but just don't want us to turn into Redskins fan-like, Example Champ was best corner in NFL when he was with the skins, now he suck. Just on my internet moral high horse today. I have no problem with folks changing their minds on someone/something, but don’t play that “I knew it all along” song, when you really just as dumb as the rest of us on what goes on at Dove Valley.

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Wasn't try to call anyone out, but just don't want us to turn into Redskins fan-like, Example Champ was best corner in NFL when he was with the skins, now he suck. Just on my internet moral high horse today. I have no problem with folks changing their minds on someone/something, but don’t play that “I knew it all along” song, when you really just as dumb as the rest of us on what goes on at Dove Valley.

LOL I hear you.

Like I said I thought Lenny was gonna be a very solid #2 CB for us. I was once even a ticket holder of his bandwagon fan club ;D but what Ive seen this year and his injury history I wont shead a tear.

jbiel

11-01-2005, 03:36 PM

Naptown, it's amazing how you can even run your mouth after a loss like that last week. I don't think you should be worrying about our "D". You guys can't even shut down a frickin tight end.

"Pathetic"

Hotrod

11-01-2005, 03:37 PM

Heck Walls might become the next Oneil. I hope he does well somewhere else. I think the play of the young corners make him expendable.

Not to change the subject but.......Deltha looked pretty damn good this weekend granted it was Farve throwing up the picks......which by the way really pisses me off. Farve throws 5 fricking picks and all they talk about is how good the Cinci D is and how Farves jock still tastes like candy.....what am I missing....can you imagine what they would say if Jake threw 5 picks....rant over back to the Walls fair well tour....

elsid13

11-01-2005, 03:38 PM

broncohaven

11-01-2005, 03:38 PM

Lenny looked promising for a year, but I think people were enamored with his size more than his ability. I know I was guilty of loving the tape measure when it came to Walls. I kept expecting him to start making plays, and eventually I was begging for him to get off the field. He can cover fairly well, but he is horrible at finding the ball.

Please, PLEASE don't use this as an "I told you so" in support for Herndon. Kelly was pitiful, and would be behind Champ, Darrent, Fox, Paymah, Cox, and Alexander on the depth chart.

When Cox blanketed Owens Sunday after Bailey went down, he signed Walls's release papers. I, for one, say good riddance to Walls. We've had a lot of guys step up and make plays. He wasn't one of them. Cut your losses.

I would hope they shopped him around a little bit. Maybe get the Skins to give up two first rounders for him. He is the tallest CB in the league.

Snyder:How are his hands?.

Sundquist: He's the tallest CB in the league.

Snyder: Can he cover deep?

Sundquist: He's the tallest CB in the league.

Snyder: I'll give you our 2007 and 2008 first rounders, and Lavar arrington, but that's it.

Sundquist:We're going to need Sean Taylor as well.

Snyder: Okay, but that's really it.

bronco militia

11-01-2005, 03:43 PM

Please, PLEASE don't use this as an "I told you so" in support for Herndon. Kelly was pitiful, and would be behind Champ, Darrent, Fox, Paymah, Cox, and Alexander on the depth chart.

.

now why did you go and ruin a great post with a comment like this? Worse tham Roc?

phhhhhhhhhhht......get lost

broncohaven

11-01-2005, 03:49 PM

now why did you go and ruin a great post with a comment like this? Worse tham Roc?

phhhhhhhhhhht......get lost
Roc shows heart at least. I may have gotten a little carried away, but there wasn't a player that made me angrier than Herndon. Can't cover deep and unwilling to tackle. We couldn't get rid of Herdon fast enough for my taste.

baja

11-01-2005, 03:50 PM

Paladin

11-01-2005, 03:56 PM

Walls was in a contract year and FO knew we had no intention of signing him so they dumped his oft injured ass and filled his roster space with someone they like for the future off of TB's practice squad.

Well, yeah. At least he's slow.....

Point: I don't buy that. I don't think this new guy will beat out Browner next year...

DivineLegion

11-01-2005, 03:57 PM

Watts is next...

Hulamau

11-01-2005, 03:58 PM

elsid13

11-01-2005, 04:02 PM

I would hope they shopped him around a little bit. Maybe get the Skins to give up two first rounders for him. He is the tallest CB in the league.

Snyder:How are his hands?.

Sundquist: He's the tallest CB in the league.

Snyder: Can he cover deep?

Sundquist: He's the tallest CB in the league.

Snyder: I'll give you our 2007 and 2008 first rounders, and Lavar arrington, but that's it.

Sundquist:We're going to need Sean Taylor as well.

Snyder: Okay, but that's really it.

We meet need to throw in Dayne, but I think that a fair deal.

DomCasual

11-01-2005, 04:12 PM

Walls was in a contract year and FO knew we had no intention of signing him so they dumped his oft injured ass and filled his roster space with someone they like for the future off of TB's practice squad.
Remember that Lenny fired Rosenhaus in the offseason, too. The thought was that it would make negotiating the deal with the Broncos easier.

I guess the logic may have been a little flawed.

baja

11-01-2005, 04:13 PM

Well, yeah. At least he's slow.....

Point: I don't buy that. I don't think this new guy will beat out Browner next year...

There are 31 teams not called the Broncos and they all have 8 practice players, that's 248 players so you really think they couldn't have found a stud. Just look how many times they have struck gold before. This Walls thing is an odd move and there is a reason for it buried somewhere.

broncohaven

11-01-2005, 04:13 PM

Must be that Walls rubbed them wrong somehow and they really like Cox Paymah and Roc.

Plus, perhaps Lynch heard good feedback from his old teammates about this Abdullah kid and passed it allong to Shanny. Being a saftey from Tampa Bay, he's bound to keep up with such stuff.

With Brandon coming back too along with Cox coming on strong we got some good size at the Saftey/Corner tweener position.
I don't think Walls was a favorite. I think we miss Brandon's contributions in the "Big Nickle". If he's covering Shockey in the 4th, I think we're 7-1.

PS- Is that "Jaws" in your Avatar?

yerner

11-01-2005, 04:50 PM

This just shows that there is a reason there are not any 6'4-6'5 corners in the league. I think he really showed a lack of quickness and toughness you need to play game after game in the pro's this year. Too many times it seemed like he coulnt get his hips and body into the position to be really effective. I would guess coverage skills are suited to a more compact, quick reflex body in the nfl. He looks more like a receiver. Just an opinion.

Throw Lelie the damn ball.

Drek

11-01-2005, 04:52 PM

I like the move. Abdullah looks to be a big, strong guy, someone who can play a run supporting/blitzing safety role. With how we've been calling our D lately thats a pretty useful skill set to have, moreso than a corner who can't keep track of the ball.

Keep in mind, this is our bye week. Bailey gets two full weeks to heal that hammy, and this new fella will get extra time to get up to speed by making this move now. What's the timetable look like on Brandon right about now anyways?

Hogan11

11-01-2005, 04:58 PM

Walls is no loss.

footstepsfrom#27

11-01-2005, 05:22 PM

This might come back to haunt us if Fox or DJ go down...and what's wrong with having a 6'4" CB to at least try to match up with the Plaxico Burress's of the world?

watermock

11-01-2005, 06:03 PM

Walls is injured anyway...I dunno if he was injured reserve or IR straight up...fact is, he's been dissapointing...if the new guy kicks ass, Walls will be a distant memory in say...two weeks...

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 06:09 PM

Curome Cox in particular must be really impressing the staff. Paymah must be making progress as well. Im extremely surprised here. You need some veterans back there. Yavoon is right, there's alot of risk here if Champ goes down you basically have no experience at all in the secondary. Its a testament to the progression of D-Will and The Fox but also of Curome Cox. Very surprising. I cant say I would have made the same move, I still think Walls is starting quality corner, although he hit a rough patch. Either, as people have suggested, he must be starting to become a negative influence in the lockerroom or the injury really is of the season ending variety, or else it really doesnt make sense to me. Someone's going to get a good football player next year.

As to Hamza Abdullah, I remember Mike Mayock at the NFL Network was really high on him in the various draft programs during the spring.

baja

11-01-2005, 06:09 PM

I gotta think for the Broncos to make this move at this time (bye week) that they got plans for this kid maybe.

Like to know what Gruden thinks about the thieft

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 06:09 PM

He didn't get torched in the Jags game....so your claim that he gets burned "everytime" he's on the field, is well, inaccurate.

and what am I wrong about? ....that the people now getting beat for TD's aren't Lenny Walls?

What...you think they're playing cardboard-cutout's..so your logic is: TO is a terrible/so-so WR...I don't know how in the heck he beat Champ logic?

Come on dude....bottom line is if Walls was worth it...he'd stillllll be on the roster.....but he ain't.

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 06:15 PM

Walls got penalties left and right in a short period time he was actually on the field.

That truly pissed me off.

Here's the last drive afore mentioned Jacksonville game Errand was refering to: (from the bottom up)

Jacksonville Jaguars at 14:44 DEN JAC
1st and 10 at JAX 35 (14:44) PENALTY on JAX-J.Smith, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 35 - No Play.
1st and 15 at JAX 30 (14:44) PENALTY on JAX-B.Leftwich, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 30 - No Play.
1st and 20 at JAX 25 (14:44) B.Leftwich pass to J.Smith to JAX 36 for 11 yards (L.Walls).
PENALTY on DEN-L.Walls, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 25 - No Play.
1st and 10 at JAX 30 (14:19) PENALTY on JAX-M.Jones, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 30 - No Play.
1st and 15 at JAX 25 (13:49) B.Leftwich pass incomplete to R.Williams (M.Coleman).
2nd and 15 at JAX 25 (13:49) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass to F.Taylor to JAX 35 for 10 yards (S.Brandon).
PENALTY on DEN-L.Walls, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 25 - No Play.
1st and 10 at JAX 30 (13:20) F.Taylor right tackle to JAX 29 for -1 yards (I.Gold).
2nd and 11 at JAX 29 (12:38) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass incomplete to J.Smith.
PENALTY on JAX-J.Smith, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at JAX 29 - No Play.
2nd and 21 at JAX 19 (12:31) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass intended for E.Wilford INTERCEPTED by D.Foxworth at DEN 27. D.Foxworth to 50 for 23 yards (M.Jones).

watermock

11-01-2005, 06:25 PM

When Cox blanketed Owens Sunday after Bailey went down, he signed Walls's release papers. I, for one, say good riddance to Walls. We've had a lot of guys step up and make plays. He wasn't one of them. Cut your losses.

Exactly, not to mention Walls has yet another injury...first a shoulder, then the shoulder, then the shoulder...then he gets burned repeatedly...he gets a hammy...then a groin...give me a break...Cox played at least...and he played well...second, who knows if we didn't get a steal in this Bin Laden guy...6-2 213...I don't care if he runs a 4.65...he's a safety...if he can play ball we can use him.

Denver has made alot of questionable moves, and many have panned out...some don't, but we are doing better...this time of year, as attrition takes it's toll, you rob the practice squads of other teams...one note, when you pull this stunt, he has to go on the roster, not the PS, but he doesn't have to start, he can be inactive, I THINK...he just has to be on the active roster. Again, if he has instincts, and a little experience who knows...if he sucks, we cut his ass and he's history...BFD, Walls wasn't going to help us with his groin...

Let's wait and see if he went on IR or reserve-injured...I suspect the latter.

watermock

11-01-2005, 06:26 PM

"B.Leftwich pass intended for E.Wilford INTERCEPTED by D.Foxworth at DEN 27. D.Foxworth to 50 for 23 yards (M.Jones)."

I thought I might highlight this as well...The Fox seems to have a taste for pigskin...

Whoot! A keeper! Forget Walls.

wabbit

11-01-2005, 06:30 PM

Lenny looked promising for a year, but I think people were enamored with his size more than his ability...

When Cox blanketed Owens Sunday after Bailey went down, he signed Walls's release papers...

Right on both counts.

This has been coming for a week or so, although no-one thought his release was imminent...maybe IR pending waivers...something like that.

Lenny demonstrated great promise at first, but he never really improved his techniques. He plateau'd last year, but the thought was that his injuries hampered his play.

When the rookies came in & performed out of the gate...then a relatively inexperienced Curome Cox outperformed him on coverage AND Special Teams, coaches saw pretty clearly that Walls no longer had a place here, & the team needs the roster spot if only for a back-up lineman.

I was out there today & it certainly didn't seem like other players were baffled or upset about Walls release.

I say that because they usually have a comment about things like this...today, no-one did...no-one I talked with at any rate.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 06:32 PM

I'm not shocked by this. I thought it would happen at season's end, but with the way our rookies are stepping up it was only a matter of time before Walls got the ax. I like the future of our CB's.

Needa Pass Rush

11-01-2005, 06:33 PM

Not sure if this link is in this thread or not. If it is I apologize ahead off time.

I don't dislike Walls. This vid is hard to watch having to see Walls dejection. I hope his career continues somewhere. I have no problem with this move though. Especially if the kid from TB brings some game. He sounds as if he was made for STeams at the very least.

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=4da196a7-0abe-421a-01ab-18fd98f013b2&TEMPLATEID=af6b6b60-ac1f-02c5-0012-a9383dc2f691

Garcia Bronco

11-01-2005, 06:34 PM

I'm not shocked by this. I thought it would happen at season's end, but with the way our rookies are stepping up it was only a matter of time before Walls got the ax. I like the future of our CB's.

The d-line helps a bunch...just imagine when these guys aren't rookies anymore. Then we'll see the fun time defensive stats improve.

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 06:37 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1537&dateline=1130855114

I can see why we needed an extra roster spot.

watermock

11-01-2005, 06:43 PM

Cox played great...and can only get better...I don't care if he has 4.3 speed...at least he can get on the field. I watched the game closely, and Cox played hard...he brought a strong blitz, he covered T.O. a couple times really well...

We need healthy fighters...not what I always considered a marginal player nursing yet another injury...I'm not always right, but I certainly never was on the Walls bandwagon...I said from day one that he wouldn't be able to react to the stop and go fly pattern...and that was when he was healthy...he wasn't much on special teams either...

Cox can help on special teams as well...he's a broad shouldered dude...he looks like a safety...and he's more than the listed 200 IMO...like I said before, we let this new guy take a shot...I think we have to keep him on the roster the rest of the year if you steal a practice squad player, but at least he's healthy...

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 06:52 PM

The d-line helps a bunch...just imagine when these guys aren't rookies anymore. Then we'll see the fun time defensive stats improve.

Indeed! Just thinking about that gets me excited. Once our rookies get more experience we should have the best Defense in the NFL! Secondary is the only weakness I see right now with our defense. Our D-line is constantly getting pressure on the QB and shutting down the run. Our LB's fly around and make plays all over the field, but our secondary gives up some big plays here and there.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 06:54 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1537&dateline=1130855114

I can see why we needed an extra roster spot.

If all the Bronco cheerleaders looked like Avena Lee, I would move to Denver in a heartbeat.

baja

11-01-2005, 06:57 PM

Cox played great...and can only get better...I don't care if he has 4.3 speed...at least he can get on the field. I watched the game closely, and Cox played hard...he brought a strong blitz, he covered T.O. a couple times really well...

We need healthy fighters...not what I always considered a marginal player nursing yet another injury...I'm not always right, but I certainly never was on the Walls bandwagon...<B>I said from day one that he wouldn't be able to react to the stop and go fly pattern...</B>and that was when he was healthy...he wasn't much on special teams either...

Cox can help on special teams as well...he's a broad shouldered dude...he looks like a safety...and he's more than the listed 200 IMO...like I said before, we let this new guy take a shot...I think we have to keep him on the roster the rest of the year if you steal a practice squad player, but at least he's healthy...

You did say that - Good call

Blart

11-01-2005, 07:08 PM

If all the Bronco cheerleaders looked like Avena Lee, I would move to Denver in a heartbeat.

I don't think she's very hot.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 07:13 PM

I don't think she's very hot.

Judging from your Avatar it makes sense why you would have that opinion.

watermock

11-01-2005, 07:14 PM

STFU Butt Fart

BroncoFanDoug

11-01-2005, 08:24 PM

For me, Walls has been an incredible disappointment. This should have been his year. I suspect other issues are involved.

Having said that, somehow we have come up roses. Foxworth is clearly playing better than Walls, and he is a xxxxing rookie. And the only time I hear Darrent's name is when he is sacking the QB - the kid is playing lights out and we need to be giving him a lot more love. Who would have thought that 8 games in we would be taking for granted that a rookie is a rock at one corner that we don't need to worry about!

The reality is that when/if Champ gets healthy we are absolutely solid at corner, and do not need Walls or Herndon.

GreatBronco16

11-01-2005, 08:34 PM

Watts is next...

Was just thinking the exact same thing.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 08:34 PM

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 08:35 PM

Was just thinking the exact same thing.

Watts may last until the end of the season.

GreatBronco16

11-01-2005, 08:40 PM

Here is something. Foxworth has more INTs in his first 8 games with the Broncos than Walls has in his career so far in Denver.

Walls went undrafted for a reason. Shanny was the only guy sold on the 'tallest CB in the NFL' bit and Walls has shown exactly why he went undrafted. He isn't any good. I had hopes for him but the guy just can't tackle, can't look for the ball in flight, can't tackle, can't get his hands on the ball, and he does the most chest thumping for a guy that can't tackle and at the very least look for the damn ball while it is in the air.

He got beat out by a bunch of rooks for crying out loud so that should tell you something.

Do any of you think Walls comes up with that INT against Philly in the endzone? I didn't think so.

GreatBronco16

11-01-2005, 08:41 PM

Watts may last until the end of the season.

He might, and I would like for him to stay if he can learn how to catch the damn ball. He could be a huge downfield threat with Lelie.

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 08:41 PM

Interesting that we hear endless bitching about Lelie from the resident jerkoffs and nary hear a word about Watts continually being deactivated by the ballclub on gameday.

BroncoFanDoug

11-01-2005, 08:43 PM

They only thing we will need to upgrade on Defense next season is the saftey position.

Absolutely agree.

One of the things that really excites me about this season is that we are rotating D-line and RBs. IMHO that is going to pay huge dividends as the season wears on. Our D-line and running game are going to get relatively stronger late in the season having 1/2 to 1/4 less wear and tear.

I really think that this is a bfd - this is what could take us over the top...

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 08:44 PM

Interesting that we hear endless b****ing about Lelie from the resident jerkoffs and nary hear a word about Watts continually being deactivated by the ballclub on gameday.

I think it's because Lelie was a 1st rounder right? He should be doing well! Watts on the other hand is was a 3rd rounder?

ludo21

11-01-2005, 08:45 PM

Right on both counts.

This has been coming for a week or so, although no-one thought his release was imminent...maybe IR pending waivers...something like that.

Lenny demonstrated great promise at first, but he never really improved his techniques. He plateau'd last year, but the thought was that his injuries hampered his play.

When the rookies came in & performed out of the gate...then a relatively inexperienced Curome Cox outperformed him on coverage AND Special Teams, coaches saw pretty clearly that Walls no longer had a place here, & the team needs the roster spot if only for a back-up lineman.

I was out there today & it certainly didn't seem like other players were baffled or upset about Walls release.

I say that because they usually have a comment about things like this...today, no-one did...no-one I talked with at any rate.

Thanks for the on field reactions Wabbit.

I knew he was going down the depth chart, but off it completely? That is shocking to see.
- Im pumped to see Fox and Cox get a lot more playing time, but they are going to be picked on a lot so lets hope they are ready for the Raidas!!

-Nice Vid. Needa. Walls seems confident he will play elsewhere. I think he could end up doing well somewhere else, lets just hope he isnt given 6 ints like Deltha.

Stinky was high on Walls, it will be interesting to see if they even tell him Walls was cut.

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 08:51 PM

I think it's because Lelie was a 1st rounder right? He should be doing well! Watts on the other hand is was a 3rd rounder?

2nd rounder.

BroncoFanDoug

11-01-2005, 08:54 PM

Watts may last until the end of the season.

To me, Watts is a much sadder story than Walls. He clearly has heart and determination and talent. I just don't think he has been able to overcome the problems of the nerve damage in his hands.

Its incredible to me that he even made a go of it, when he basically cannot feel the ball in his hands.

It was a big question mark for me, but you just had to root for him. But IMHO, unless he improves medically, he just is not going to make it.

It is still our weakest position on the team, but you had to be excited with the play of Adams and Devoe this weekend. But lets not forget - Rod will not be with us forever...

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 08:55 PM

ludo21

11-01-2005, 09:07 PM

There is no "nerve damage" affecting him. Please. This thing happened in High School and then he proceeded to set national records as a sophomore at Marshall with 91 receptions and ended up breaking Randy Moss's records.

I agree. Watts shrugged the thing off. Its not affecting him, he was great at Marshall, and thats why we took him in the 2nd. For whatever reason he is just not getting it done. WE may not see him for the rest of year, but he wont be cut, i think next offseason he will be given another chance and then he will either be cut or kept on. Wait and see.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-01-2005, 09:10 PM

KC needs to pick him up.

kent156

11-01-2005, 09:13 PM

When Walls had his best year was the year before the league changed the rules to favor wideouts, this may have been his downfall because he seems to have too many penalties against him.

ludo21

11-01-2005, 09:13 PM

KC needs to pick him up.

hes out for the year. :injured:

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:16 PM

It is still our weakest position on the team, but you had to be excited with the play of Adams and Devoe this weekend. But lets not forget - Rod will not be with us forever...

I don't think the WR position is weak anymore on our team. I'm sold on Devoe and Adams. They both are catching balls and becoming playmakers. It's a shame that Watts can't catch the ball consistenty because the man runs great routes and would be a great deep threat.

Bob's your Information Minister

11-01-2005, 09:17 PM

hes out for the year. :injured:

Nevermind then.

listopencil

11-01-2005, 09:18 PM

Too bad. When I watched Walls, I thought he would turn out pretty good. I was expecting him to continuously improve. But he didn't do that. I'd say that this is a good move by the Broncos because he just wasn't getting any better and he had to to be a good player. Good thing we got DW and Fox in the draft. As far as Safety goes, don't forget about Browner for next season.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:19 PM

When Walls had his best year was the year before the league changed the rules to favor wideouts, this may have been his downfall because he seems to have too many penalties against him.

Walls simply can't run with fast WR's and get beat deep.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:21 PM

As far as Safety goes, don't forget about Browner for next season.

I forgot about him. Browner could be very good.

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 09:25 PM

The guy had average agility,flexbility, and hips.

Not only that the guy dropped countless amount of interceptions and had trouble adjusting in air. He flailed his long limbs and got by.

Good bye stone hands.

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 09:31 PM

I think it's because Lelie was a 1st rounder right? He should be doing well! Watts on the other hand is was a 3rd rounder?
W/E.

If you are deactivated for games, throw the draft status out the window. It means you suck ass.

I had high hopes for this guy, but I started to sense he is just a camp sensation.
So far he hasn't proved crap.

ncjmirabile

11-01-2005, 09:31 PM

Walls simply can't run with fast WR's and get beat deep.

Walls was pretty fast. His problem was his tackling ability in that zone. He whiffed on more tackles than anyone else.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:32 PM

The guy had average agility,flexbility, nor hips.

Not only that the guy dropped countless amount of interceptions and had trouble adjust in air.

Good bye stone hands.

I agree.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:34 PM

W/E.

If you are deactivated for games, throw the draft status out the window. It means you suck ass.

I had high hopes for this guy, but I started to sense he is just a camp sensation.
So far he hasn't proved crap.

Do you think he can go elsewhere and pull a Delta?

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:35 PM

Walls was pretty fast. His problem was his tackling ability in that zone. He whiffed on more tackles than anyone else.

Yeah his tackling was garbage.

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 09:36 PM

Do you think he can go elsewhere and pull a Delta?
Anything is possible.

Just hasn't happened.

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 09:39 PM

Lenny will be an above average NFL starting corner for several years if he can avoid injuries. The notion that he doesnt have the speed to cover people is about as valid as the suggestion that Bob wouldn't screw Luke Skywalker if he had the chance. Larry Coyer commented several times this offseason that Walls might be the fastest player on the entire team in his Q&A sessions. Lenny was a pretty good cover man, although the criticism about his hands are fair.

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 09:42 PM

Bob's your Information Minister

11-01-2005, 09:42 PM

The notion that he doesnt have the speed to cover people is about as valid as the suggestion that Bob wouldn't screw Luke Skywalker if he had the chance..

I'd screw his sister.

Clockwork Orange

11-01-2005, 09:43 PM

I'd screw his sister.

Dude, she's like 60.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:45 PM

Larry Coyer commented several times this offseason that Walls might be the fastest player on the entire team in his Q&A sessions.

I find that hard to believe. Walls is faster than D'Will?

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 09:47 PM

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=4015

Larry Coyer
We've got some great, speedy, athletic players. There are some guys who can fly. Champ Bailey is very, very athletic. Nobody gives Lenny Walls the credit, he's extremely fast. You take a look at Ian Gold, Al Wilson and D.J. Williams and they can all fly. To say who's particularly the fastest, I would have to say Champ Bailey. But Lenny Walls can fly too and our three linebackers can run so that's a good problem to have. But I would say Champ Bailey, he is incredibly fast.

Mastermind2002

11-01-2005, 09:51 PM

DB-Freak

11-01-2005, 09:52 PM

I find that hard to believe. Walls is faster than D'Will?
In his dreams.........

Interview- April 1

Draft- April 23-24

Bob's your Information Minister

11-01-2005, 09:57 PM

Dude, she's like 60.

She's 50. :laugh:

Merlin

11-01-2005, 09:59 PM

I realized he was having troubles, but this bad? I guess they think Cox is a better back up CB. At least we have another safety.

Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

Cornerback Lenny Walls during the Sept. 2 final preseason game against the Phoenix Cardinals. (Post / John Epperson)

The Broncos will part ways with cornerback Lenny Walls this season. Walls, who began the season as a starting cornerback, was put on the injured reserve list on Tuesday.
As soon as he is healthy, he can play again this year but not for the Broncos. The team would release him so he could sign elsewhere. Walls suffered a groin injury Oct. 23 during the game against the New York Giants. He is expected to be healthy and free to sign elsewhere in about two weeks.

"We thank the Broncos for this unique opportunity," Walls' agent Peter Schaffer said. "Lenny is looking forward to resuming his 2005 season elsewhere." To fill Wall's place on the roster, Denver signed safety Hamza Abdullah off Tampa Bay's practice squad. He was a seventh-round pick of the Buccaneers.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3172141

24champ

11-01-2005, 11:08 PM

rumor going around that the Raiders are interested in Lenny Walls.

ludo21

11-01-2005, 11:17 PM

rumor going around that the Raiders are interested in Lenny Walls.

wouldnt really surprise me at this point. But hes out for year right?

SoCalBronco

11-01-2005, 11:30 PM

wouldnt really surprise me at this point. But hes out for year right?

Nope. They put him on sort of a mini-IR where he will remain with the club until his injuries has healed up and then he will be released so that he can sign with a new team.

Atlas

11-01-2005, 11:36 PM

Shanny must not have been able to get a 7th round pick for him by the trade dead line.

Shanny definatly could have gotten something for him. Thus this leads me to the conclusion that something recent has happened. I bet Walls was just giving an attitude or maybe he just went to Shanny and asked to be released. I doubt this I think he might have been displaying a bad attitude so Shanny cut the ties.

We'll find out what happend

24champ

11-01-2005, 11:48 PM

Shanny definatly could have gotten something for him. Thus this leads me to the conclusion that something recent has happened. I bet Walls was just giving an attitude or maybe he just went to Shanny and asked to be released. I doubt this I think he might have been displaying a bad attitude so Shanny cut the ties.

We'll find out what happend
So essentially he pulled a Maurice Clarett?

Atlas

11-01-2005, 11:56 PM

I don't think she's very hot.

You know Blart...... ahhh never mind

BroncoBuff

11-01-2005, 11:59 PM

i dont get this??? we need depth. the last two years and this year our secondary has injuries. maybe paymah is playing better
It's Curome Cox, too.

Nobody noticed maybe, but Curome STARTED against Philly!
Remember that 9 man front w/ D-Will and Champ on the isslands to start the game? Well, Cox was one of the 9. That goes down as a "start", even though he's not a "starter", per se.

I agree Paymah is probably OK, but I think Cox might be the #4 CB right now. And maybe Roc Alexander is ahead of Paymah, too.

WHICH GUYS (other than Lenny) DID NOT SUIT vs. EAGLES? ANYBODY?

I noticed Marques Anderson and Marco Coleman were both dressed for the first time in weeks.

I guess Carswell counts as "not dressed," and I didn't see Chukwurah either, or Darius Watts. I guess I answered my own question, because that's 4 there.

BroncoBuff

11-02-2005, 12:06 AM

WHICH GUYS (other than Lenny) DID NOT SUIT vs. EAGLES? ANYBODY?
I also noticed Ron Dayne was dressed for the first time in a coupl'la weeks

So that settles that. Champ is the fastest!
Until last year (or maybe 2003), Champ had the all-time fastest 40-time at the NFL combines. True story.

LENNY WALLS WILL BE CUT.
I'll take my crow with mashed potatoes and gravy . . . adn how about a side dish of cranberry sauce?

24champ

11-02-2005, 12:15 AM

You know Blart...... ahhh never mind
what did he say, he has a bunch of sausage in his mouth so i couldnt quite make it out....

BigPlayShay

11-02-2005, 12:18 AM

WHICH GUYS (other than Lenny) DID NOT SUIT vs. EAGLES? ANYBODY?

Broncos Head Coach Mike Shanahan deactivated several players an hour before kickoff, including Carswell, wide receivers Darius Watts and David Terrell, cornerback Lenny Walls, safety Sam Brandon, linebacker Patrick Chukwurah, defensive tackle Monsanto Pope and tight end Nate Jackson.

Atlas

11-02-2005, 12:31 AM

Here is the Article. Walls asked for his release.

Denver grants Walls his wish: release
Former starter still nursing groin injury
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

Lenny Walls sat in the Broncos' locker room Tuesday, knowing it was one of his final days with a team that saw him rise from undrafted free agent to starting right cornerback.

In a surprising bye-week move, Denver put Walls on injured reserve. However, he was put on a little-used list that mandates a team must release a player when he regains his health in a six-week window.

"I'm perfectly fine with it," Walls said. "It's time to move on."

A series of injuries and the development of the Broncos' young secondary contributed to Walls' benching. He and his agent, Peter Schaffer, asked the team to release the fourth-year player.

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan wouldn't discuss Walls' future, but said the move was made because of solid play from rookies Darrent Williams and Domonique Foxworth, and depth that includes third-round pick Karl Paymah, Curome Cox, Sam Brandon and Roc Alexander.

"It's one of those tough decisions," Shanahan said.

To replace Walls, who'll likely rehabilitate at Dove Valley, the Broncos signed rookie safety Hamza Abdullah off Tampa Bay's practice squad. He was a seventh-round pick by the Buccaneers.

Walls, signed out of Boston College in 2002, was replaced by Williams in the starting lineup against Kansas City on Sept. 26. Because of several injuries, most notably to Champ Bailey, Walls played often with Williams and Foxworth.

At nearly 6-feet-5, Walls is the tallest cornerback in the NFL. He was set to be a starter last year but had five injuries before going on injured reserve late in the season.

"This is probably for the best," Walls said.

Schaffer said he expects Walls to be ready to play in a couple of weeks. Walls suffered a groin injury Oct. 23

during pregame warm-ups. Schaffer said the Broncos decided to grant Walls' wishes for release.
"We thank the Broncos for this unique opportunity," Schaffer said. "Lenny is looking forward to resuming his 2005 season elsewhere. He appreciates what the team has done for him in this situation and wishes them well."

Added Walls: "You'll see me again this year."

Two months ago, this move seemed unlikely. Walls, an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season, appeared to be in the team's long-term plans. But that was before the emergence of Williams and Foxworth.

Denver gave Walls the $1.43 million first-round tender as a restricted free agent in the spring, choosing to tender him rather than fellow restricted free agent Kelly Herndon, who departed for Seattle. The Broncos' biggest offseason priority now likely will be re-signing defensive tackle Gerard Warren, who has been a first-half standout.

Meanwhile, the signing of Abdullah reunites him with Paymah. Both were in the same secondary at Washington State, and they are close friends.

"He's going to push me and I'm going to push him," Paymah said. "It's great to have him here."

DB-Freak

11-02-2005, 04:13 AM

Until last year (or maybe 2003), Champ had the all-time fastest 40-time at the NFL combines. True story.

That honor belonged to Deion Sanders.

Then Jerome Mathis broke it I think.

Odysseus

11-02-2005, 04:26 AM

By the way the revisionist history around needs to stop, 90% of the mane had high hopes for this guy at the beginning of the season and where glad we signed him instead of Herdon. He was outplayed by two young guys, doesn't mean that he wasn't a good player for us!!!!

Jiffy Post. Perferct post everytime.

EDIT:
They cannot pay everybody. Walls would never make the money he was after staying with the Broncos. He's got a job in the NFL next year but he's got to get healthy. They HAVE to pay Foxworth and sorry he won't take promises. He plays that good. Bailey might have to put something back in the kitty just to pay the youngsters. They lose somebody on the DL they can fix that in the draft.

Drek

11-02-2005, 04:41 AM

Meanwhile, the signing of Abdullah reunites him with Paymah. Both were in the same secondary at Washington State, and they are close friends.

"He's going to push me and I'm going to push him," Paymah said. "It's great to have him here." Now thats what I like to hear. So signing Abdullah not only brings us a safety who can lay wood but it gives Paymah a friend that apparently he's already had good experiences working out with, upping his comfort level on the team. Now tell me thats not more useful to us than Lenny Walls riding the pine, complaining that Curome Cox sees more time than him.

They HAVE to pay Foxworth and sorry he won't take promises. He plays that good. Bailey might have to put something back in the kitty just to pay the youngsters. Foxworth was a 3rd round pick, I'd assume his contract is at least three years, at which point he'll only be eldigable for RFA, where a $2M offer or so will lock him up for us like what we did with Walls this year. Thats if we didn't already sign him longer than that, we do have a tendancy to do that more than other teams.

Needa Pass Rush

11-02-2005, 04:50 AM

Can Darius Watts be far behind??? :wave:

broncohaven

11-02-2005, 05:12 AM

Anyone else notice Shanahan mentioning the play of Courtney Cox, among others, as the reason Walls became expendable? A little Freudian slip on the part of the MM?

baja

11-02-2005, 05:28 AM

Watts was a second rounder. I still have hope for him. He gets open like nobodies business, he will learn to hold onto the ball. I think he is having a particularly bad case of sophomore blues.

Drek

11-02-2005, 05:31 AM

I'm not worried about Watts, he's shown the ability to get open and he had some good games in preseason, but not a lot of chances since then. I think the only reason he's not on the field over Adams or Devoe is their usefulness on special teams. He'll get a real good shot next training camp, and I think he'll make use of it.

Garcia Bronco

11-02-2005, 05:41 AM

Interesting that we hear endless b****ing about Lelie from the resident jerkoffs and nary hear a word about Watts continually being deactivated by the ballclub on gameday.

It' more he performing better...and they're are others performing better...so Watts isn't as much of an issue as Lelie. Remember...we drafted him in the first round and it took him 3 years to finally show-up

watermock

11-02-2005, 05:55 AM

I could care less if the claw can get separation...if you can't catch the ball your worthless. Period.

This thread is so far off the wall at this point...it's about Walls, who sucked, and SoCal licked his balls endlessly...

The point on Watts is he's just plain bad in certain aspects of his game...he rounds off his routes, is smallish and has claws for hands...Why the hell do you think he's deactivated...some personal vendetta? It's because he wasn't contributing...period.

If he wants to put his nose to the grindstone and show some grit, he will get another chance...for now...Adams and DEVO rule the roost for the last spots.

maven

11-02-2005, 06:10 AM

I've almost convinced myself that Champ will never be 100% this year....for the exact same reason you just stated. Will it be better after the bye week-absolutley but is he miraculously going to be completely healed, doubtful. IMO

Champ needs to sit until turkey day.

maven

11-02-2005, 06:11 AM

Walls is gone!

:militia:

BroncoFanDoug

11-02-2005, 06:31 AM

I don't think the WR position is weak anymore on our team. I'm sold on Devoe and Adams. They both are catching balls and becoming playmakers. It's a shame that Watts can't catch the ball consistenty because the man runs great routes and would be a great deep threat.

I am hopeful but not sold. Adams is on average catching less than 2 per game, and Devoe has had exactly 1 breakout game - this was the first game that he had a catch. The jury is out on Adams and has not even gone into session for Devoe.

So maybe I should say - The WR position is where I am least convinced. I would be very worried if we lost Rod or Ashley for extended periods. I have not seen enough to feel good with either of them as a full-time go-to guy.

IMHO:)

watermock

11-02-2005, 06:54 AM

Devoe has had exactly 1 breakout game - this was the first game that he had a catch.

DEVO didn't have A catch...he had 5 and a TD clincher. How much time do you think he's had on the field...

People that knew their stuff started chanting his number a month ago...he's a playmaker...

don't tell me why...I dunno...it's like Mark Jackson...he just makes plays...

Also, I have yet to see him drop a pass, unlike the Claw...

It's like this grasshoppa...you never know who can take it to the next level...Shanahan said this in his news conference to this effect: You have to expect that everyone on your squad is a potential starter...he mentioned TD....you just don't know...DEVO has "it" whatever that is....he's getting better and better...he's a big target too...I was dissapointed when he was inactive, but when he got his chance, he shined!

Mock officially become co-adoptive pappy of DEVO.

Play2win

11-02-2005, 07:09 AM

This just shows that the overall talent of this team is on the rise and greater than it has been in the past. We have a higher standard for our players, especially at certain positions, and Walls does not meet that standard anymore...

watermock

11-02-2005, 07:25 AM

Walls had a groin and was inactive...Cox covered T.O. like a blanket...and your wondering why the move?

It's so obvious...Walls has been a walking injury report for over two years...he's also a free agent next year that won't be tendered...

BFD...lets see what Bin Laden can do.

BroncoFanDoug

11-02-2005, 11:50 AM

DEVO didn't have A catch...he had 5 and a TD clincher. How much time do you think he's had on the field...

People that knew their stuff started chanting his number a month ago...he's a playmaker...

don't tell me why...I dunno...it's like Mark Jackson...he just makes plays...

Also, I have yet to see him drop a pass, unlike the Claw...

It's like this grasshoppa...you never know who can take it to the next level...Shanahan said this in his news conference to this effect: You have to expect that everyone on your squad is a potential starter...he mentioned TD....you just don't know...DEVO has "it" whatever that is....he's getting better and better...he's a big target too...I was dissapointed when he was inactive, but when he got his chance, he shined!

Mock officially become co-adoptive pappy of DEVO.

Don't get me wrong! I know he hasn't had the reps yet. I think Devoe looked in good in pre, looked great last game, and I am really hopeful!! I just have not made the leap from hopeful to convinced yet, and you have.

Odysseus

11-02-2005, 01:27 PM

Foxworth was a 3rd round pick, I'd assume his contract is at least three years, at which point he'll only be eldigable for RFA, where a $2M offer or so will lock him up for us like what we did with Walls this year. Thats if we didn't already sign him longer than that, we do have a tendancy to do that more than other teams.

Good stuff.

The Broncos are smart cutting wood and building depth. What do you call this? Pre during season off season?

I can't believe how frigging smart the Broncos are. Even when they mess up it was safe risks. This is just flat out fun. It's not the like the dark years
(1999-2002) where everything they touched turned to stupid.

The Broncos have never lost their eye for talent. They did lose their eye for attitude but they fixed that. They are picking team players who understand it's always a team win. The depth of this team is incredible.

watermock

11-02-2005, 01:40 PM

If you can get two keepers out of a draft with no first rounder, you hit gold...man...I'm nervous as a cat about this next draft...we got a bunch of picks once we get our two comps...I'm hoping for 4 keepers...I hope Nalen will scale down a bit and we bring in some new blood and Nalen can play pappy...he is the heart of our OL and calls the scheme...Shanahan was totally giving him props on his conference...

ND Bronco Fan

11-02-2005, 01:43 PM

...I'm nervous as a cat about this next draft...

I would be nervous if I was your cat too!!!! :welcome:

baja

11-02-2005, 01:46 PM

Broncoman13

11-02-2005, 01:51 PM

DEVO didn't have A catch...he had 5 and a TD clincher. How much time do you think he's had on the field...

People that knew their stuff started chanting his number a month ago...he's a playmaker...

don't tell me why...I dunno...it's like Mark Jackson...he just makes plays...

Also, I have yet to see him drop a pass, unlike the Claw...

It's like this grasshoppa...you never know who can take it to the next level...Shanahan said this in his news conference to this effect: You have to expect that everyone on your squad is a potential starter...he mentioned TD....you just don't know...DEVO has "it" whatever that is....he's getting better and better...he's a big target too...I was dissapointed when he was inactive, but when he got his chance, he shined!

Mock officially become co-adoptive pappy of DEVO.

I gotta agree with MoonshineMock here. Devoe has done nothing but shine everytime he gets on the field. He makes plays! In coverage on ST's he makes plays. When given the opportunity at WR he makes plays. Like Mock said, he has good size as well. I'm not gonna go crazy with predictions here, but I've been saying for a little while now that he reminds a lot of Rod Smith. He's gonna be around for awhile...get used to the name. Poison, poison. ABC, BBD, the East Coast Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

watermock

11-02-2005, 01:55 PM

That's funny...back in the old days, we had CB's on the farm...mom was Sunshine, I was Moonshine, Dave was Crockett and Al was Night Owl...

Dad was GRUMPY

Grumpy to Night Owl...do you read me? It was classic...

You wouldn't believe dave's cell phone bills...you just wouldn't believe it...I need to get him a different plan...

Broncoman13

11-02-2005, 01:57 PM

Good stuff.

The Broncos are smart cutting wood and building depth. What do you call this? Pre during season off season?

I can't believe how frigging smart the Broncos are. Even when they mess up it was safe risks. This is just flat out fun. It's not the like the dark years
(1999-2002) where everything they touched turned to stupid.

The Broncos have never lost their eye for talent. They did lose their eye for attitude but they fixed that. They are picking team players who understand it's always a team win. The depth of this team is incredible.

That whole post was "GOOD STUFF". Ekuban comes to mind with your description of team players who understand it's always a team win.

Also, somebody (Mock maybe?) said that Cox locked Owens down in the latter part of the game... Supposed he was injured toward the end of the 3rd quarter or early in the 4th...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting that Terrell Owens has informed
the Eagles that his playing status for the next two games might be in
jeapordy due to his injured ankle.

He apparently told the Eagles his ankle was hurting so badly that he
might not be able to play this week. And he said he felt uncertain
about his ability to play in week 10.

It's the same right ankle that he broke last season although it's not
known if this latest issue is directly related to the injury from last
year. Mortensen said that Eagles spokeman Derek Boyko did not add any
clarification to Owens' status but that he did acknowledge that Owens
would be listed on the injury report that comes out today.

Broncoman13

11-02-2005, 02:13 PM

Gosh we got 2 1sts a second and likely 3 thirds plus the second day picks, I hope we get more that 4 keepers

I hear what you're saying, but I think Mock is referring to keepers as guys of the Darrent Williams/Dom Foxworth ability. If we get 4 guys that bring as much presence to their respective positions as those two.... We've hit GOLD!

I'd love to see all 6 in the first day be golden, but I'd gladly settle for 4 in the entire draft!

errand

11-02-2005, 02:30 PM

What...you think they're playing cardboard-cutout's..so your logic is: TO is a terrible/so-so WR...I don't know how in the heck he beat Champ logic?

Come on dude....bottom line is if Walls was worth it...he'd stillllll be on the roster.....but he ain't.

No, but Champ looked stupid on that play, which goes to show that if a number one draft pick, and perrenial all-pro can look stupid, why are you clowns so down on an undrafted free agent who has battled injuries and has missed precious development time on the field?

Not every one who gets the axe in the NFL sucks....some are cut because they're older than the younger, cheaper guy. Other guys have their development slowed by injuries, and teams lose patience with them. Others fall into that category where their production might be too little for their weekly paychecks....and some do of course suck. I think Walls falls into the development slowed by injuries category...not the he sucked category.

errand

11-02-2005, 02:36 PM

Here's the last drive afore mentioned Jacksonville game Errand was refering to: (from the bottom up)

Jacksonville Jaguars at 14:44 DEN JAC
1st and 10 at JAX 35 (14:44) PENALTY on JAX-J.Smith, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 35 - No Play.
1st and 15 at JAX 30 (14:44) PENALTY on JAX-B.Leftwich, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 30 - No Play.
1st and 20 at JAX 25 (14:44) B.Leftwich pass to J.Smith to JAX 36 for 11 yards (L.Walls).
PENALTY on DEN-L.Walls, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 25 - No Play.
1st and 10 at JAX 30 (14:19) PENALTY on JAX-M.Jones, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 30 - No Play.
1st and 15 at JAX 25 (13:49) B.Leftwich pass incomplete to R.Williams (M.Coleman).
2nd and 15 at JAX 25 (13:49) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass to F.Taylor to JAX 35 for 10 yards (S.Brandon).
PENALTY on DEN-L.Walls, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at JAX 25 - No Play.
1st and 10 at JAX 30 (13:20) F.Taylor right tackle to JAX 29 for -1 yards (I.Gold).
2nd and 11 at JAX 29 (12:38) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass incomplete to J.Smith.
PENALTY on JAX-J.Smith, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at JAX 29 - No Play.
2nd and 21 at JAX 19 (12:31) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass intended for E.Wilford INTERCEPTED by D.Foxworth at DEN 27. D.Foxworth to 50 for 23 yards (M.Jones).

Wow, two penalties on one drive....stop the presses, that's never happened in the NFL, let alone to the Broncos huh? So is it your contention that anyone of our DB's that gets flagged for two penalties on a drive should be cut?

BTW, I'm still looking for the TD Jax scored on that drive.......

Garcia Bronco

11-02-2005, 03:33 PM

He plays ****ty.....his attitude was bad..and he's gone what exactly is so hard for you to understand? You know you're wrong...he's been beat by rookies and he's been given every opportunity to succeed...but thanks for bringing up his constantly unavailable status...another nail in his coffin...now quit being an idiot and admit you're wrong and beaten.....like I said in my first post...he's not a good football player...and you haven't proven..nor has he...that he is.

Hotrod

11-02-2005, 03:34 PM

BTW, I'm still looking for the TD Jax scored on that drive.......

Ya you wont find that we took Lenny "cant keep my hands off you" Walls out before they could score ;D

jbiel

11-02-2005, 03:37 PM

24champ

11-02-2005, 03:39 PM

Garcia Bronco

11-02-2005, 03:47 PM

the only bad part about walls being released is he will probably get picked up by a k.c., oakland, or a playoff team and make a huge play against us. example-deltha oneal

-the guy couldnt cover crap here in denver but then he plays us in cinci last year and his career is turned around

i sure hope i'm wrong on this one....

This where Walls' attitude has hope...he can change that...but unlike Walls..O'Neal was able to play every week..Next thing you have to consider is we had an idiot secondary coach in David Gibbs....I think Champ was the one who blew the whistle on this...but this is speculation on my part. O'Neal always had the skills...he just didn't commit himself to being a good football player...perhaps getting moved to offense and then traded made him realize he wasn't playing to his potential..he was also a first round pick. Walls is an UDFA.

Bronx33

11-02-2005, 03:49 PM

oakland is likely to pick him up.

Perfect!

Broncos4tw

11-02-2005, 05:36 PM

Walls has singularly non-impressed me over and over again. He has made a play here and there, and then just as easily blown a play here and there. In other words, a spotty, mediocre player. I really liked his height however, too bad he couldn't play more solidly.

After Elway and Atwater and the rest left, Shanahan had a habit in my opinion, of holding onto players longer than he should to give them "more chances." Seemingly he doesn't do that any longer. Good!

broncohaven

11-02-2005, 06:42 PM

No, but Champ looked stupid on that play, which goes to show that if a number one draft pick, and perrenial all-pro can look stupid, why are you clowns so down on an undrafted free agent who has battled injuries and has missed precious development time on the field?

First, Champ didn't look stupid. He got beat by the best WR in the game.

Second, it was one play, and he got beat again later when he clearly couldn't run. That's two that I can count for the entire year. And that doesn't mention his INT that turned the season, the INT that should have clinched the Giants game, or the innumerable more modest plays he's made.

Walls, on the other hand, has made more mistakes than you can count, and hasn't offset any of those negatives with a SINGLE solid play that I can think of. Sure, he did well for an undrafted kid, but that doesn't entitle him to a candy bar from the OM, much less a roster spot when he's clearly been passed by a handful of off-season acquirees. Do you want us to keep him because he was undrafted? Would that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

The kid was outplayed by everyone on the roster, and a few who weren't. Get over it.