Has Plummer Turned Into The QB That Everyone Thought He Could Be?...merged [Archive] - The Orange Mane

GonzoLays

10-30-2005, 05:40 PM

Season Stats:

12 Touchdowns 3 Interceptions 1700 yards passing through 8 games :crazy:

He hasn't thrown and interception in the last six games we have played.

Out of all the QBs in the AFC West, who would you want at this point leading your team into the playoffs: Trent Green, Drew Brees, Kerry Collins or Jake "the snake" Plummer?

Jake wins hands down. IF he keeps playing at this level and we keep on winning, he has to be considered an MVP canidate.

Willynowei

10-30-2005, 05:41 PM

He threw in the pocket today.

He threw OUTS today!

He threw FADES today!

He threw CROSSING ROUTES today!

He threw for 300 yards and 4 tds....

OMGOSH WE HAVE A LEGIT QB! HE'S COMPLETE!

*knocks on wood*

OrangeShadow

10-30-2005, 05:42 PM

Doing it quietly(outside of bronco nation that is)

Hercules Rockefeller

10-30-2005, 05:44 PM

Unless they win out, I have a hard time seeing 3400 yds and 24 TDs being enough for the MVP. Neither is probably going to be enough to put him in the Top 5 of either category.

Garcia Bronco

10-30-2005, 05:48 PM

I saw him going through progressions today and stand tall in the pocket....he's finally using his brain and the study this off-season was huge for his maturation. I will no longer hold his AZ days against him. It's apparent to me now on how the coaching there didn't make Jake give in to learning defenses...he's no Peyton Manning in the mental game...but he could get close.

OrangeShadow

10-30-2005, 05:50 PM

with our defense and running game he doesnt ahve to be a peyton manning mentaly besides thatd mean hed whine to much

chrisp

10-30-2005, 05:51 PM

Point is he now has all the parts around him working perfectly. I'm hoping that after today Todd Devoe can be the 3rd-down posession guy we've be lacking which will really send this offense into overdrive.

If you have weapons, and more than one guy on the field who can get open you're going to start finding the open man......becuase there will actually be one.

But somehow I don't think Jake will ever get the credit he deserves.......he's playing under the shadow of Shanny and Elway and that's a pretty long shadow.

GonzoLays

10-30-2005, 05:51 PM

Unless they win out, I have a hard time seeing 3400 yds and 24 TDs being enough for the MVP. Neither is probably going to be enough to put him in the Top 5 of either category.

Right now, you could honestly say that Jake might be in a league of his own when comes to the MVP. Who are his QB competitors that have winning records?

Eli Manning
Payton Manning
Carson Palmer

And you tell me who else?

No QB is blowing away the competiton with his stats this year. It really might come down to who has the best record with the most suitable stats.

Atlas

10-30-2005, 05:53 PM

Right now, you could honestly say that Jake might be in a league of his own when comes to the MVP. Who are his QB competitors that have winning records?

Eli Manning
Payton Manning
Carson Palmer

And you tell me who else?

No QB is blowing away the competiton with his stats this year. It really might come down to who has the best record with the most suitable stats.

Plummer will never get it. Shanny gets all the credit for coaching him and Denver's running game is awesome. Plummer won't get a sniff of the MVP award.

Circle Orange

10-30-2005, 05:54 PM

He's playing well, but let's consider...

6-0 at home
0-2 on the road

MVP years include wins everywhere, not just in friendly confines. We'll see...this is still regular season. That being said, he IS playing well.

Atlas

10-30-2005, 05:55 PM

Clockwork Orange

10-30-2005, 05:59 PM

1-1 on the road

1-2 on the road.

Atlas

10-30-2005, 06:08 PM

1-2 on the road.
Your right

Well, they are 6-2 so if they are 1-2 on the road then they are only 5-0 at home. Not 6-0

GonzoLays

10-30-2005, 06:10 PM

He's 1-3 on the road and 5-2 at home.

I just thought I would get on the act too.

sippybrew

10-30-2005, 06:12 PM

Garcia Bronco

10-30-2005, 06:14 PM

ludo21

10-30-2005, 06:16 PM

When Griese was our QB I was thinking how great it would be to have Jake "The Snake" Plummer. When that happened I was psyched. I was a Jake fan from the get go and I think he is proving himself to be a great QB for us.

as was i sippy. Ever since going to games in ASU i knew he could be special. The guy is playing mistake free football and making big plays!! :charge:

Wheres Bloody??? Jake is reined in.. blah blah crap!!! :D

baja

10-30-2005, 06:16 PM

maven

10-30-2005, 06:21 PM

Give me a full season & playoffs. Then i'll change my sentiment regarding The Snake.

dbfan4life

10-30-2005, 06:47 PM

Unless they win out, I have a hard time seeing 3400 yds and 24 TDs being enough for the MVP. Neither is probably going to be enough to put him in the Top 5 of either category.

The only stat I care about is the W. I could care less about how his #'s compare to the rest of the league.

Hercules Rockefeller

10-30-2005, 06:54 PM

Right now, you could honestly say that Jake might be in a league of his own when comes to the MVP. Who are his QB competitors that have winning records?

Eli Manning
Payton Manning
Carson Palmer

And you tell me who else?

No QB is blowing away the competiton with his stats this year. It really might come down to who has the best record with the most suitable stats.

Up until this week, Brunell would have to be included in the mix, along with LT and Alexander, and possibly even S Moss or S Smith at WR.

They're not going to give the MVP to him simply because he plays mistake free football now, and the stats he's on pace for aren't mind-blowing.

Hercules Rockefeller

10-30-2005, 06:55 PM

The only stat I care about is the W. I could care less about how his #'s compare to the rest of the league.

When the thread starter threw out that he could start to be considered for MVP, then yeah it starts to matter what his numbers look like compared to the rest of the league.

GonzoLays

10-30-2005, 07:00 PM

Up until this week, Brunell would have to be included in the mix, along with LT and Alexander, and possibly even S Moss or S Smith at WR.

They're not going to give the MVP to him simply because he plays mistake free football now, and the stats he's on pace for aren't mind-blowing.

First of all, WR's don't win MVP awards. Second of all, I still think IF he continues at the pace he is on AND we continue to win, he will definitely finish in the Top 5 for MVP voting. Halfway through the season, who are the top five canidates for MVP so far?

Payton Manning
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
Jake Plummer
?

Dr. Broncenstein

10-30-2005, 07:04 PM

He won at Jacksonville, YOU ****ING MORON!!!

I kid.....

Hercules Rockefeller

10-30-2005, 07:07 PM

First of all, WR's don't win MVP awards. Second of all, I still think IF he continues at the pace he is on AND we continue to win, he will definitely finish in the Top 5 for MVP voting. Halfway through the season, who are the top five canidates for MVP so far?

Payton Manning
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
Jake Plummer
?

That's nice that WRs don't win, Moss was on pace for a 2000+ yard season before this week, so yeah he would get consideration. You also omitted LT and Alexander, and Brunell and Bledsoe if their teams continue to win.

Jake is not going to win with just 24 TDs, stats are going to come into play in the MVP voting.

Dr. Broncenstein

10-30-2005, 07:11 PM

Jake could go the rest of the season without a pic.... march through the playoffs to the superbowl... cure cancer... invent cold fusion.... and Peyton would still be MVP. Get used to it. Who gives a **** anyway? Jake is playing the best football of his career, and we are lucky to have him.

Goobzilla

10-30-2005, 07:12 PM

That TD/INT ratio looks so good, it just blows me away. This is the best I've ever seen him play. He only made a few bad throws today and probably could have been picked a couple times. But hey when you're hot you're hot. I am thrilled with his play this year overall.

Hercules Rockefeller

10-30-2005, 07:16 PM

and for reference 24 TDs would have put Jake 9th last year, and 3400 yds would have put him at 13th.

That's not going to win anyone the MVP

Popps

10-30-2005, 07:17 PM

I'm still trying to find out if Jake has broken a Bronco record going 6 games without an INT. He's got to be close, if not.

You're going to find a lot of people absent from this thread. Folks who made a living around here reminding us that Jake threw a left handed pass a couple of years ago as the entire base of their argument.

Let me save you all some wondering. Here's the next phase that the Jake-bashers move to....

"when he wins a playoff game, I'll respect him."

This idiotic argument was proffered for years when Elway couldn't get it done in the Superbowl. It's a favorite argument of the novice football fan.... someone who can't see the big picture.

We asked Jake to run around last year and make things happen. He did, but threw about 6 too many INTs, so people trashed him, despite breaking a couple team records.

So, we pulled the reigns back a bit... then the same crowd bashed him for not throwing the deep ball.

Now he's throwing the deep ball, AND taking care of the ball AND winning AND putting up great numbers.

I've been saying since the pre-season that Jake looks like he's finally got our system down and like he's playing a different game.

But rest assured, the first time he throws a pick... the bashers will light this board up like a fking pinball machine.

Rock Chalk

10-30-2005, 07:19 PM

Unless they win out, I have a hard time seeing 3400 yds and 24 TDs being enough for the MVP. Neither is probably going to be enough to put him in the Top 5 of either category.
If Plummer played like that every game he would be the best QB in the league. 4 TDs? Come on man, that's Manning stuff there.

But Im doubtful he plays like that even four more times this year. I expect 220-250 yards passing, 2 TDs, and an occsional pick, but would be nice without any.

Jason in LA

10-30-2005, 07:21 PM

I'd say he's the QB that we all want him to be. He's making good plays, and not making any bad ones. That's what we've wanted. That's what we are getting. All is good in my book.

Popps

10-30-2005, 07:22 PM

and for reference 24 TDs would have put Jake 9th last year, and 3400 yds would have put him at 13th.

That's not going to win anyone the MVP

That's fine.

We don't need him to be MVP. We need him to do exactly what he's doing.

SouthStndJunkie

10-30-2005, 07:23 PM

Jake looked fantastic today. The guy is looking more and more at ease in the offense.

It's time some of you Jake bashers throw him some love.

SSJ

elsid13

10-30-2005, 07:24 PM

Jake is playing well, but he is what he is- Mobile, a leader on the field, a gun slinger and will always have poor accuracy. Let see what happen at the next 8 games before we talk MVP.

Clockwork Orange

10-30-2005, 07:26 PM

Screw the MVP, I just want him to get us a home playoff game.

SouthStndJunkie

10-30-2005, 08:12 PM

Props to Jake...he evened up his career TD/INT mark at 144-144.

With the Broncos he has 54 TDs and 30 INTs....a difference of 24.

SSJ

Rock Chalk

10-30-2005, 08:14 PM

Props to Jake...he evened up his career TD/INT mark at 144-144.

With the Broncos he has 54 TDs and 30 INTs....a difference of 24.

SSJ
That I like.

Clockwork Orange

10-30-2005, 08:14 PM

With the Broncos he has 54 TDs and 30 INTs....a difference of 24.

And a record of 25-10 as the Broncos starter.

Spider

10-30-2005, 08:15 PM

clarker

10-30-2005, 08:18 PM

Guys should have been here when I argued with Card fan over Jake ,even some chief fan , I always supported Jake Plummer , but I have always said Jake was Jake , looks like I was wrong also ........ Plummer is living up tp Bill Walshs billingI wouldn't go that far, but he is playing great.

I think Jake will be great if as many times as possible he only throw's around 20-25 times a game.

Spider

10-30-2005, 08:22 PM

I wouldn't go that far, but he is playing great.

I think Jake will be great if as many times as possible he only throw's around 20-25 times a game.
Time will tell ..........but he has led this team very well .....I am not stat guy , I look @ wins and losses ....Right now I see 2 playoff losses , but the way Jake has progressed in Denver ...... He will get us to the the SB .......

Sassy

10-30-2005, 08:31 PM

Nice...I like the play of the game where they had Jake almost wrapped up and Plummer got away and threw a pass to Mike.

clarker

10-30-2005, 08:31 PM

Time will tell ..........but he has led this team very well .....I am not stat guy , I look @ wins and losses ....Right now I see 2 playoff losses , but the way Jake has progressed in Denver ...... He will get us to the the SB .......I could care less if about how many yards he has, the win vs the Redskins doesn't count less than today's because Jake threw for only 90+ yards, but I think when Jake only throws 25 times or less, it is easier for him to manage the game.

Atlas

10-30-2005, 08:34 PM

Nice...I like the play of the game where they had Jake almost wrapped up and Plummer got away and threw a pass to Mike.
That was huge he avoided a sack and wasn't it 3rd down too?? Anyway that was a great play by Jake.

Sassy

10-30-2005, 08:40 PM

That was huge he avoided a sack and wasn't it 3rd down too?? Anyway that was a great play by Jake.
Not sure...let me rewind a bit...

Sassy

10-30-2005, 08:42 PM

It was 2 and 7
16 yards to Mike Anderson....should have been about a 20 yard loss.

But KJ got the TD on that drive.

BRONCCRUSHFAN

10-30-2005, 08:49 PM

Screw the idea of MVP. The stats aren't there, and all of the credit of his play is being laid onto Kubiak and Shanny; which that is a valid arguement. Besides, the media and the league is all over the Manning Bros. jock. What I want to see is constant improvement, and a home playoff game. I have to say he is putting up the kind of numbers that could put him in Pro Bowl consideration, but with Manning, Brady, and Roethlesberger in the same conference, it will make it difficult.

As far as the Jake haters on this board, he could take us to the Super Bowl and win it, and they still would be calling for his head and trading the entire future for an unproven commodity in Lienart. So like several people have said, including myself, Jake is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Orange4Life

10-30-2005, 09:15 PM

Nice...I like the play of the game where they had Jake almost wrapped up and Plummer got away and threw a pass to Mike.
That play was awesome. Go Jake!!

Atlas

10-30-2005, 09:17 PM

It was 2 and 7
16 yards to Mike Anderson....should have been about a 20 yard loss.

But KJ got the TD on that drive.

Good job Sass

Hercules Rockefeller

10-30-2005, 09:21 PM

I'm still trying to find out if Jake has broken a Bronco record going 6 games without an INT. He's got to be close, if not.

I believe Sportscenter said he'd gone 171 attempts w/o a pick, and IIRC Elway held the record at 169.

Popps

10-30-2005, 10:49 PM

I believe Sportscenter said he'd gone 171 attempts w/o a pick, and IIRC Elway held the record at 169.

Wow, and not a mention around here.

Is there something about this guy I don't know? Did he burn down an orphanage or something?

Needa Pass Rush

10-30-2005, 10:52 PM

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CODZ10510302228.jpg

Popps

10-30-2005, 10:56 PM

I wish there were stats for first downs gained on the ground, drives kept alive, sacks eluded, etc. All the things that made our last great QB great, but didn't show up on the stat sheet. Jake does a lot of those things very well.

Beantown Bronco

10-31-2005, 07:13 AM

For those that think Plummer wouldn't have the numbers at this pace to garner MVP votes....look no farther than Kordell Stewart about 5 yrs ago. He had less than 20 TDs and far less yardage than Plummer is on pace for, and he received several MVP votes. (Granted those voters must've been on crack, but they were votes nonetheless)

BMF Bronco

10-31-2005, 07:19 AM

Wow, some are acutally converting to Plummer supporters?

I didn't get to see the game yesterday, nor any highlights, did it look as good as the score showed?

Dr. Broncenstein

10-31-2005, 07:21 AM

Spider

10-31-2005, 07:22 AM

Wow, some are acutally converting to Plummer supporters?

I didn't get to see the game yesterday, nor any highlights, did it look as good as the score showed?
Even better ...Plummer was lethal .......Kinda reminded you of the 97-98 Broncos and pick your posion , Either Elway or TD ...... Yesterday it was Plummer or the run game

-Slap-

10-31-2005, 07:28 AM

Jake has been terrific this season. They've finally convinced him that he doesn't have to try and make something happen on every play. That's made all the difference in the world.

-Slap-

10-31-2005, 07:32 AM

As far as the Jake haters on this board, he could take us to the Super Bowl and win it, and they still would be calling for his head and trading the entire future for an unproven commodity in Lienart. So like several people have said, including myself, Jake is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Plummer's play regressed last season and people jumped his ass. He's elevated his game this season and people are giving him his due.

Rascal

10-31-2005, 07:33 AM

Jake sucks we need Lienart. If we had him we would have won 70-0 (he plays defense too).

Mediator12

10-31-2005, 07:36 AM

Jake has been terrific this season. They've finally convinced him that he doesn't have to try and make something happen on every play. That's made all the difference in the world.

Totally agree. Jake has proven me wrong. Dead Wrong over the last four games. He has finally grasped his role in this offense and played fantatastic. He may never be the best passer in accuracy, but he has been unbelievably effective and in control since JAX.

This has been the Jake plummer I had hoped to see last year. Keeping things simple and taking what the defense is giving him including sacks. I wish he would run a little more on third downs, but after watching Culpepper get wacked yesterday I will give him a break.

Crow tastes much better with an NFL second best 6-2 record and a one and a half game lead in the division.

BMF Bronco

10-31-2005, 07:46 AM

WTF is up with the MVP talk? Even if Jake was the MVP, he'd never get the recognition. He's not even the clear MVP of our team. He is exactly what we were hoping for when we signed him... a mobile playmaker. We gambled on the chance that he could play smart with a supporting cast and the right system. The gamble is paying off.
Actually, ESPN mentioned it on page two, of course nobody really agreed, but they mentioned it at least.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=nfl/week8/grid
About halfway down the page.

BMF Bronco

10-31-2005, 07:47 AM

Totally agree. Jake has proven me wrong. Dead Wrong over the last four games. He has finally grasped his role in this offense and played fantatastic. He may never be the best passer in accuracy, but he has been unbelievably effective and in control since JAX.

This has been the Jake plummer I had hoped to see last year. Keeping things simple and taking what the defense is giving him including sacks. I wish he would run a little more on third downs, but after watching Culpepper get wacked yesterday I will give him a break.

Crow tastes much better with an NFL second best 6-2 record and a one and a half game lead in the division.
Now I will rep that!

BroncoInferno

10-31-2005, 07:52 AM

As far as the Jake haters on this board, he could take us to the Super Bowl and win it, and they still would be calling for his head and trading the entire future for an unproven commodity in Lienart. So like several people have said, including myself, Jake is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Taco is already on the record as saying that even if we win a Super Bowl with Jake, we will still need to draft a QB.

Dr. Broncenstein

10-31-2005, 08:00 AM

Taco is already on the record as saying that even if we win a Super Bowl with Jake, we will still need to draft a QB.

rofl

Alkazar

10-31-2005, 08:36 AM

Rascal

10-31-2005, 08:44 AM

We will see how some of you Plummer supporters act when he has some bad games in the second half.

We play some good pass defending teams on the road in the second half so I expect Jake to have some tough games.

I may have to subscribe to this thread to see who still supports him after those games.

ozomulsion

10-31-2005, 09:02 AM

Didn't read the thread. Jake has always been a very good QB when he knows he has a good run game behind him. This will never change, unless Roc Alexander is one of our starting corners. Lose Lose situation in that case.

ludo21

10-31-2005, 09:04 AM

Actually, ESPN mentioned it on page two, of course nobody really agreed, but they mentioned it at least.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=nfl/week8/grid
About halfway down the page.

mentioned it but didnt get great responses lol.

"It must be the stache" LOL

-Slap-

10-31-2005, 09:36 AM

I'd say, yes.....for now. He has been playing like I want him to play so far this year. But considering the previous couple of years meltdowns, I'll hold off on my final judgement. And before everyone starts syaing Jake is our Savior and Brian was our Devil, I just want to point out that Brian led the Bucs to a 5-1 record before being knocked out for the season. Jake just fits our offense better than Brian, and it was Shannahan's fault for not using Brian as he needs to be used.
Griese was incidental to their success. He was about to lose his job due to poor performance when he got injured. Tampa jumped out to a 5-1 record because they played tough defense and Gruden ran Cadillac 40 times a game.

Popps

10-31-2005, 10:07 AM

Taco is already on the record as saying that even if we win a Super Bowl with Jake, we will still need to draft a QB.

You'll often find Taco out in his front yard pointing at the sun and proclaiming.... "you're the moon.... you're the moon!"

bendog

10-31-2005, 10:54 AM

You'll often find Taco out in his front yard pointing at the sun and proclaiming.... "you're the moon.... you're the moon!"
before he blew the acl I was wondering IF minny won the Lionheart sweepstakes, how many of us would give both no 1's for culpepper.

With Jake, you just never knwo. He's gonna make some bad decisions and have some bad games. So did the Duke. The Duke took two teams to superbowls that had defenses that had no biz being in superbowls, and Jake can't do that. But IF jake can keep making throws from the pocket, and IF Den can make at least 3 long drives a half, then good things MIGHT happen. I still don't see beating Indy or Pitt, but .... Den could peak at the right time.