See what happens when your offense plays back?...merged

[Taco John]

This is all I was saying last week when Champ intercepted the ball, and our offense goes three and out. This time, Foxworth intercepted the ball, and our offense came through. Momentum was stolen back and we ended up stepping on their throats because of it.

This was a great team win.

[loborugger]

True dat, big talking avatar.

[Florida_Bronco]

Hell yeah TJ! This is how you are supposed to play!

[Northman]

yep, i was worried we were going to collapse again but he offense finally found their stride again. thank god, this team would have be done had we blew it today.

[DB-Freak]

Team win?

Offense was the much bigger part of game than the defense Taco.

Why does it feel like a backhanded slap against the offense though.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

See what happens when the D makes a huge play when we had to have it and the O responds by taking it to the house. Great TEAM win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Taco John]

Team win?

Offense was the much bigger part of game than the defense Taco.

Why does it feel like a backhanded slap against the offense though.


Beats me. They played great after they pulled through that terrible third quarter. Both offense and defense were terrible that quarter. But once the defense started getting some stops for drives, and then an interception, the offense turned it back on and pulled out of the nose dive. That's just what we needed.

[Taco John]

See what happens when the D makes a huge play when we had to have it and the O responds by taking it to the house. Great TEAM win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!Booya!

[Pezman]

Nothing to say here... just a relieved sigh as we finally figured out how to finish a game.

If it werent for that HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE INT by Foxy late in the game though...
...We'd probably be in a world of hurt.

Screw it. We're 6-2 going into the break with a 2 game lead in the West. Scoreboard!

[Garcia Bronco]

Fox is going to the Denver Locker room

[Popps]

This is all I was saying last week when Champ intercepted the ball, and our offense goes three and out. This time, Foxworth intercepted the ball, and our offense came through. Momentum was stolen back and we ended up stepping on their throats because of it.

This was a great team win.

lmao!

I thought this was even beyond your realm of confusion.

Hey Sparky..... we had a 14 point lead last week with 10 minutes left... SAME AS THIS WEEK.

Our offense dominated most of the game, JUST LIKE LAST WEEK.

The difference this week? Our offense had to step up and save our defense before they ****ed things up again. We gave them a 28 point lead and they couldn't wait to piss it away.

You're amazing, dude. Truly amazing. Your comprehension of what goes on in any given football game is so marginal, I'm surprised you can even enjoy the games.

Our offense saved us from our defense.... something they WON'T be able to do every week and something they definitely won't be able to do come playoff time.

[SoCalBronco]

popcorn time....

[Clockwork Orange]

564 yards of total offense. Just wow.

When was the last time a team had a QB throw for 300+ yards as well as having 2 100+ yard rushers?

[DB-Freak]

The defense at one point gave up a TD every other drive.

Not good.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

lmao!

I thought this was even beyond your realm of confusion.

Hey Sparky..... we had a 14 point lead last week with 10 minutes left... SAME AS THIS WEEK.

Our offense dominated most of the game, JUST LIKE LAST WEEK.

The difference this week? Our offense had to step up and save our defense before they ****ed things up again. We gave them a 28 point lead and they couldn't wait to piss it away.

You're amazing, dude. Truly amazing. Your comprehension of what goes on in any given football game is so marginal, I'm surprised you can even enjoy the games.

Our offense saved us from our defense.... something they WON'T be able to do every week and something they definitely won't be able to do come playoff time.

I'm not going to buy this, not right now anyway. The way we are running the ball we can play with anyone. If Jake is playing well we can beat anyone.

[Popps]

564 yards of total offense. Just wow.

When was the last time a team had a QB throw for 300+ yards as well as having 2 100+ yard rushers?

Plummer 304 yards, 4 TDs, no INTs.

Anyone else want to give him props at some point?

[Clockwork Orange]

Plummer 304 yards, 4 TDs, no INTs.

Anyone else want to give him props at some point?

I'll add to this by saying that he's now gone 6 games without an INT and has 11 TD passes in that stretch.

12 TD's, 3 INT's for the season. A 4-1 ratio on TD's to INT's. If you can't give Plummer credit now you're officially just a hater.

[elsid13]

564 yards of total offense. Just wow.

When was the last time a team had a QB throw for 300+ yards as well as having 2 100+ yard rushers?


That playoff win against JAX

[DB-Freak]

I'm not going to buy this, not right now anyway. The way we are running the ball we can play with anyone. If Jake is playing well we can beat anyone.
What kind of logic is that?

I guarantee you we won't see an offensive performance like that for a while.

Defense needs to stop crapping it's pants.

[Taco John]

lmao!

I thought this was even beyond your realm of confusion.

Hey Sparky..... we had a 14 point lead last week with 10 minutes left... SAME AS THIS WEEK.

Our offense dominated most of the game, JUST LIKE LAST WEEK.

The difference this week? Our offense had to step up and save our defense before they ****ed things up again. We gave them a 28 point lead and they couldn't wait to piss it away.

You're amazing, dude. Truly amazing. Your comprehension of what goes on in any given football game is so marginal, I'm surprised you can even enjoy the games.

Our offense saved us from our defense.... something they WON'T be able to do every week and something they definitely won't be able to do come playoff time.



Works for me. I'm just glad they did it. Last week they choked when the defense started making a stand. This week they "saved us" from our defense who had just made two defensive stops in a row.

Yes, the defense stumbled hard, but I had been expecting it would happen soon enough between McNabb and Owens and the fact that they were pretty much forced to throw the ball. The only way we win that game is if the offense plays back. They did.

Thank God!

[Florida_Bronco]

12 TD's, 3 INT's for the season. A 4-1 ratio on TD's to INT's. If you can't give Plummer credit now you're officially just a hater.

My thoughts exactly!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What kind of logic is that?

I guarantee you we won't see an offensive performance like that for a while.

Defense needs to stop crapping it's pants.
Take away the 2 plays Champ lets TO run wild and we played fine on D. There is no such thing as a shut down D anymore in the NFL, not with the rules the way they are.

[Taco John]

Plummer had a tremendous game. He should be player of the week for the entire league. Who had a better game?

[Clockwork Orange]

They just said on the postgame show that this was the 2nd most yards of total offense in a game in team history.

First time they've had a pair of 100 yard rushers in a regular season game since 1976.

[Nomad]

Plummer 304 yards, 4 TDs, no INTs.

Anyone else want to give him props at some point?


I do! Great game by Plummer today ( and all year for the folks actually watching the games).

[rbackfactory80]

Plummer 304 yards, 4 TDs, no INTs.

Anyone else want to give him props at some point?


Man I gave him serious props last week and once again this week I will take my hat off to him. He has played spectacular.

[Ray Finkle]

Plummer had a tremendous game. He should be player of the week for the entire league. Who had a better game?


Tiki Barber and Steve Smith had some impressive games...

[DB-Freak]

Take away the 2 plays Champ lets TO run wild and we played fine on D. There is no such thing as a shut down D anymore in the NFL, not with the rules the way they are.

Man that's fricking dumb. Why you bringing in if's into that game with a situation like that. Obviously, if you take away the bad plays, the D played perfect.

And I wasn't asking for a shutdown D either, but giving up 21 points ain't exactly great D playing.

Almost blew a four score lead.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Man that's fricking dumb. Why you bringing in if's into that game with a situation like that. Obviously, if you take away the bad plays, the D played perfect.

And I wasn't asking for a shutdown D either, but giving up 21 points ain't exactly great D playing.

Almost blew a four score lead.

Take your negative BS somewhere else. Bailey was injured shouldn't have been in there.

[RhymesayersDU]

Just curious if Mr. Plummer has changed any minds out there.

I was never a Jake-hater, but, I will admit, I've been hoping to draft a QB, and when the season started, I cringed every time he dropped back to pass, expecting bad things.

But he has played great thus far, and today was huge. 300 yards, 4 TD's, no INTs. I've just noticed, especially today, that I don't cringe anymore when he drops back. He's not McNabb, Or Manning, or any other quarterback asked to throw a bunch of times and win. We are still a running team first and foremost.

I dunno, I just find myself gaining more and more confidence on our leader out there. Anybody else?

[HEAV]

This is all I was saying last week when Champ intercepted the ball, and our offense goes three and out. This time, Foxworth intercepted the ball, and our offense came through. Momentum was stolen back and we ended up stepping on their throats because of it.

This was a great team win.


TJ.

More like see what happens when Mike, finally, wake up and runs the ball. Durning the 3rd quarter melt down he called more 3 and out pass plays. Kust like last week he abandons the run with this team up double digits.

At least this week he woke up and decided to run the ball in the 4th! Wow look what happens!

Don't even get me started on Coyer and his Scheme of having Champ out there without safety help. You know the guy is hurt, protect him!

This team is good and the only thing holding it back is the coaching staff.

Easily should be 7-1

I just hope and pray Mike learned today. Just run the dam ball and good things happen!

Here's too continued success and no second half collapse! :charge:

[GreatBronco16]

I know I might get blasted for this, but anyone else think Plummer could be having a probowl season? I mean, if he keeps playing like this and Denver keeps winning, how can he not be considered?

[Garcia Bronco]

TJ.

More like see what happens when Mike, finally, wake up and runs the ball. Durning the 3rd quarter melt down he called more 3 and out pass plays. Kust like last week he abandons the run with this team up double digits.

At least this week he woke up and decided to run the ball in the 4th! Wow look what happens!

Don't even get me started on Coyer and his Scheme of having Champ out there without safety help. You know the guy is hurt, protect him!

This team is good and the only thing holding it back is the coaching staff.

Easily should be 7-1

I just hope and pray Mike learned today. Just run the dam ball and good things happen!

Here's too continued success and no second half collapse! :charge:

Should be 8-0

[Bronco_Beerslug]

TJ.

More like see what happens when Mike, finally, wake up and runs the ball. Durning the 3rd quarter melt down he called more 3 and out pass plays. Kust like last week he abandons the run with this team up double digits.

At least this week he woke up and decided to run the ball in the 4th! Wow look what happens!

Don't even get me started on Coyer and his Scheme of having Champ out there without safety help. You know the guy is hurt, protect him!

This team is good and the only thing holding it back is the coaching staff.

Easily should be 7-1

I just hope and pray Mike learned today. Just run the dam ball and good things happen!

Here's too continued success and no second half collapse! :charge:


Actually, we came out throwing the ball after the INT like we were behind instead of them and gained big yardarge and then got some big runs on the downhill side of that drive.

[Hulamau]

Plummer has a great game and has the past gfew weeks Plummer has not been the problem with our collapses. I'm jsut glad that today they all collectively said enough is enough.

Would have been nice if Champ had taken himself out at the half and saved up an extra 14 points to make this the true wipe it it otherwise was, but its a great win in any event and a great way to atone for last week and go into the bye.

[Clockwork Orange]

I know I might get blasted for this, but anyone else think Plummer could be having a probowl season? I mean, if he keeps playing like this and Denver keeps winning, how can he not be considered?

I'd rather Jake keep flying under the radar and playing mistake free football.

But yes, if his 2nd half of the season is anywhere near as good as the 1st half, he's got a very good chance.

[Kaylore]

I know I might get blasted for this, but anyone else think Plummer could be having a probowl season? I mean, if he keeps playing like this and Denver keeps winning, how can he not be considered?
Well knock on wood because there is a half of a season left, but his numbers are very impressive thus far. I knew he'd play much better this year.

[DB-Freak]

This team is good and the only thing holding it back is the coaching staff.

I have to say I'm speechless.

[Rascal]

TJ.

More like see what happens when Mike, finally, wake up and runs the ball. Durning the 3rd quarter melt down he called more 3 and out pass plays. Kust like last week he abandons the run with this team up double digits.

At least this week he woke up and decided to run the ball in the 4th! Wow look what happens!

Don't even get me started on Coyer and his Scheme of having Champ out there without safety help. You know the guy is hurt, protect him!

This team is good and the only thing holding it back is the coaching staff.

Easily should be 7-1

I just hope and pray Mike learned today. Just run the dam ball and good things happen!

Here's too continued success and no second half collapse! :charge:

Quoted for truth.

I was throwing cats, socks, and other objects watching Coyer leave Bailey on an island like that. Not to mention watching Shanny call so many three straight passes in third quarter. WTF were they thinking!!

I couldn't agree more about your statement regarding the coaching.

[Arkie]

They just said on the postgame show that this was the 2nd most yards of total offense in a game in team history.

First time they've had a pair of 100 yard rushers in a regular season game since 1976.

Davis and Loville did it in the post season. Davis’ 184 rushing yards and Loville’s 103.:)

[Clockwork Orange]

Davis and Loville did it in the post season. Davis’ 184 rushing yards and Loville’s 103.:)

Yes, they kicked off The Revenge Tour in style. :)

[DB-Freak]

Take your negative BS somewhere else. Bailey was injured shouldn't have been in there.
Negative.

Regardless of what the excuses are, it was the defense that almost gave up a four score lead.

The defense needs to thank the offense today.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Negative.

Regardless of what the excuses are, it was the defense that almost gave up a four score lead.

The defense needs to thank the offense today.
Affirmative, it was a team win today.

[Kaylore]

TJ.

More like see what happens when Mike, finally, wake up and runs the ball. Durning the 3rd quarter melt down he called more 3 and out pass plays. Kust like last week he abandons the run with this team up double digits.

At least this week he woke up and decided to run the ball in the 4th! Wow look what happens!

Don't even get me started on Coyer and his Scheme of having Champ out there without safety help. You know the guy is hurt, protect him!

This team is good and the only thing holding it back is the coaching staff.

Easily should be 7-1

I just hope and pray Mike learned today. Just run the dam ball and good things happen!

Here's too continued success and no second half collapse! :charge:


Totally agree. TJ's too critical of the offense and Plummer and not enough of the play-calling or the defense. Plummer had an absoultely amazing game today with four touchdowns, 300+ yards and once again noit a single interception. Both our backs rushed more than 100 yards each and scored three TD's between them. We scored seven touchdowns and put up 500 yards of offense against a pretty good defense and Taco is merely "satisfied" pointing out that the offense did "what it was supposed to do".

Unrealistic expectations.

Hey Taco, do we score 77 points against this team if Plummer doesn't play and "hold our offense back"?

[Kaylore]

Negative.

Regardless of what the excuses are, it was the defense that almost gave up a four score lead.

The defense needs to thank the offense today.
Exactly. They are paid to keep people out of the endzone and they failed with the exception of some clutch play by Foxworth. Thank you offense for winning in spite of the D.

[OrangeShadow]

but drafting 3 corners was foolishNyah!

[ScottXray]

The empty backfield sets on third downs in the third qtr. had me coming unglued! At least we didn't try a pass to Tatum. But the play calling was too much pass, and not enough run, again. I don't know how you think your'e protecting a lead with that kind of play selection.

Foxys pick turned the game. The offense was run oriented after that and it put the eagles off stride. Set up the pass. They got the Mo back and never looked back. GREAT play calling (and execution) in the 4th.

Recievers steped up big also, especially Putz and Rod, Devoe (playmaker again) and Adams.

Jake had a great day, as did MA and Bell. O-line was terrific. Defense stepped up when Bailey went out and made plays. The rooks are going to be special.

Overall a great TEAM game.:strong:
6-2 and a bye to heal up. Whose playing the Chiefs and Chargers next? Nice if they could help us out and lose next week.:laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

CP/AT 22/35

YDS 309

TD 4

INT 0

How do you like them apples, all you Jake hatas?

[RhymesayersDU]

Unrealistic expectations.

There's a lot of those around here, on all sides.

Look at all the people bashing the defense... Did they give up some scores today? Yes. But the fact is, we were playing a SuperBowl team with a top-5 QB, a top-3 WR, and a pretty good RB too. The fact is, we're not gunna shut them out, those players are some of the best at their positions, and they're gunna make plays.

[GreatBronco16]

Negative.

Regardless of what the excuses are, it was the defense that almost gave up a four score lead.

The defense needs to thank the offense today.

I'll agree with that. But at the same time, when Foxy got that INT, I thought about last weeks game against the Giants. I said to myself, which offense will show up now with just a 7 point lead. The offense came through and put up more points which is what they should have done last week.

Also, in regards to Bailey. I think we all know what our rookies are capable of doing now. We haven't lost a game this year in which Bailey either didn't start or he got hurt and didn't finish. The nonsense with Coyer not wanting to blitz much with Bailey out should be put to rest after this game. They brought the pressure with the blitz and the young kids stepped up big time. I don't think our defense is losing much this year with Baileys absense. Notice I said not losing much. This was a great game in which the defense had a bad quarter of play, but they fought back along with the offense to really put the game out of reach. I rather them do it in the 3rd quarter with a lead than the 4th quarter.

Great win.

[dbroncos31]

and, 12 TDs, 3 picks on the season...how bout that ****?

[Garcia Bronco]

Folks...I merged a bunch of threads in to this one...I'm not trying to upset anyone...but it's too much clutter on the same topic. And that is...after game celebration

[orinjkrush]

almost everybody stepped up. cept courtney brown. where is he?
though putz was a little off. 'course champ got chumped again. other than that, damn that first half reminded me of a superbowl or two, cept we were the ones getting trounced like that. it was unreal the pressure they put on the beagles.

[GreatBronco16]

There's a lot of those around here, on all sides.

Look at all the people bashing the defense... Did they give up some scores today? Yes. But the fact is, we were playing a SuperBowl team with a top-5 QB, a top-3 WR, and a pretty good RB too. The fact is, we're not gunna shut them out, those players are some of the best at their positions, and they're gunna make plays.


I don't buy that. McNabb is nowhere near healthy. We are very lucky that he was as banged up as he is or he might have had a career day against our pass D. I just wonder why Denver was able to stop Philly for 3 solid quarters but give up a ton of yards and 14 points in 1 quarter. Players or coaches? You tell me.

[Sideburn]

I'll go ahead and use this thread as a crow eating thread.

It's apparent to me that Jake reads the Mane and noticed me and a few others going off on him after the Dolphin game. He has completely turned it around and is playing like a man possessed. This is the way we expect the qb to play in Denver and I couldn't be happier. Right now our O is starting to return to the well oiled machine from the late 90s. Sure there are still a few kinks in the chain now and then, but those can be worked out by the time playoffs roll around. Good job Jake. I think the biggest surprise is our lack of turnovers on O. We still haven't had one on Offense in a long time.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Exactly. They are paid to keep people out of the endzone and they failed with the exception of some clutch play by Foxworth. Thank you offense for winning in spite of the D.
Exactly wrong! After the first half the score is 28-7. The D played great! After the 3rd qtr 28-21, the D (Champ) played bad BUT during the 3rd qtr the O goes 3 and out on 3 of 4 drives and 5 and out on the 4th drive.

The D comes through at the goal line in the 4th when they had to (Foxworth in for injured Champ, should have been in earlier) and the O doesn't go 3 and out but comes through with a long drive for a TD.

No such thing as a shutdown D in the NFL anymore with the rule changes.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'll go ahead and use this thread as a crow eating thread.

It's apparent to me that Jake reads the Mane and noticed me and a few others going off on him after the Dolphin game. He has completely turned it around and is playing like a man possessed. This is the way we expect the qb to play in Denver and I couldn't be happier. Right now our O is starting to return to the well oiled machine from the late 90s. Sure there are still a few kinks in the chain now and then, but those can be worked out by the time playoffs roll around. Good job Jake. I think the biggest surprise is our lack of turnovers on O. We still haven't had one on Offense in a long time.

I saw him going through progressions today and stand tall in the pocket....he's finally using his brain and the study this off-season was huge for his maturation. I will no longer hold his AZ days against him. It's apparent to me now on how the coaching there didn't make Jake give in to learning defenses...he's no Peyton Manning in the mental game...but he could get close.

[Kaylore]

Exactly wrong! After the first half the score is 28-7. The D played great! After the 3rd qtr 28-21, the D (Champ) played bad BUT during the 3rd qtr the O goes 3 and out on 3 of 4 drives and 5 and out on the 4th drive.

The D comes through at the goal line in the 4th when they had to (Foxworth in for injured Champ, should have been in earlier) and the O doesn't go 3 and out but comes through with a long drive for a TD.

No such thing as a shutdown D in the NFL anymore with the rule changes.
I don't have a problem with them letting a TD in, but our D has had a nasty habbit of letting teams back into games when we have 3-4+ Touchdown leads. You can't tell me there is a problem there.

[Sideburn]

I saw him going through progressions today and stand tall in the pocket....he's finally using his brain and the study this off-season was huge for his maturation. I will no longer hold his AZ days against him. It's apparent to me now on how the coaching there didn't make Jake give in to learning defenses...he's no Peyton Manning in the mental game...but he could get close.
Lelie is coming out with some great play aswell. Made some extremely nice catches today. Also, anyone else think Watts is pretty much gone before the start of next season. Adams is stepping it up, and Devoe...well, Devoe is the friggin man!

[Clockwork Orange]

I saw him going through progressions today and stand tall in the pocket....he's finally using his brain and the study this off-season was huge for his maturation. I will no longer hold his AZ days against him. It's apparent to me now on how the coaching there didn't make Jake give in to learning defenses...he's no Peyton Manning in the mental game...but he could get close.

He's also not forcing anything. No more trying to squeeze a pass in between two defenders, a lot less throwing it up for grabs. If it's not there he's throwing it away and moving on to the next play, as he should.

[SoCalBronco]

Jake is definitely having a pro bowl season. 3 picks in 8 games is oustanding.

[DB-Freak]

Exactly wrong! After the first half the score is 28-7. The D played great! After the 3rd qtr 28-21, the D (Champ) played bad BUT during the 3rd qtr the O goes 3 and out on 3 of 4 drives and 5 and out on the 4th drive.

The D comes through at the goal line in the 4th when they had to (Foxworth in for injured Champ, should have been in earlier) and the O doesn't go 3 and out but comes through with a long drive for a TD.

No such thing as a shutdown D in the NFL anymore with the rule changes.
No one said shutdown D dammit.

But it's very uncommon for a defense to let up a score every other drive and almost letting up a 4 score lead. Giving up 21 points period isn't a great D either.

I don't care how great you play in certain quarters.

This game is 4 quarters and any failure in one quarter could mean failure for the whole game.

[sippybrew]

Ahhhhhhhh YEAH! Famdamily and I were biting our nails in our 70's battle garb in the third 1/4 but the boys pulled it out but good! Cheers!

Finally good play calling in the 4th ! RUN THE BALL!

And here's to Plummer's awesome game!

[Sideburn]

I think alot of our problem is that our secondary just really isn't that great. Teams aren't rushing on us, they're passing. We get a lead, teams pass, and our secondary gets scorched. We so very badly need a cover safety.

[DB-Freak]

I think alot of our problem is that our secondary just really isn't that great. Teams aren't rushing on us, they're passing. We get a lead, teams pass, and our secondary gets scorched. We so very badly need a cover safety.
I wish lynch could be a bit faster.

Some of the plays just alittle more speed could have been huge.

[Hulamau]

I agree that the only thing holding us back from doing this to every one ( without the 21 point comeback) is teh coaches have a mind fart at citirucl moments when we have the lead. When its 0-0 the ycan call playus wit hteh best of them and un leash our talent. When we get a big lead they try to out think themselves sometimes and manage the lead rather than keep piling it on and they a few 3 and outs by the O added by poor play calling and a let down in concentration with timely penalties and sloppy execution and these first half blow outs turn into defibrillator moments.

Today though there was a change. The offense finally stepped up in the second half when the defense was struggling (largely due to a drop in pass rush play calling and pressure and Champs to be give aways), and proved to itself and the defense that they can retake command of a game again in teh 4th qrt. This is a HUGE thing for the inner strneght and confidence of this team going into the second half. They now realize the only thing holdign them back is themselves and nervous nelly play calling.

HAd we folded thsi game we would have never recovered, not wit hthe way we slaughtered them in teh fiurst half and what happend the flast few weeks.

So we can clebrate this as a truning point to teh next step of secodn hafl dmination rahter than the usual 5-3 slide to mediocrity.

At least thats what I expect out of them the rest of the way.

Even with the poor third quarter play. this wouldnt have been anywhere close if Champ is on the bench where he belongs with a bum leg. He can play with a shoulder, but not a tight hammy and might as well give Owens TDs on every series once that leg locks up like it did. The coaches learned the hard way ( I hope) not to trust Champ either cause he always will say he can play.

Fox was on TO like glue the rest of the 4th qrt and pretty much shut him down. We know we can rely on Fox for the taller receivers and put DW on the teams shorter top guy.

We should get Walls back after the bye as well as Brandon and I sure hope Champ can get over the hump with his Hammy as its looking like a season long nagging injury so far. We are going to need a fully healthy Champ to close out the year on top. Dont even think of letting him on the field again until he is 110%

[Hulamau]

I agree that the only thing holding us back from doing this to every one ( without the 21 point comeback) is teh coaches have a mind fart at citirucl moments when we have the lead. When its 0-0 the ycan call playus wit hteh best of them and un leash our talent. When we get a big lead they try to out think themselves sometimes and manage the lead rather than keep piling it on and they a few 3 and outs by the O added by poor play calling and a let down in concentration with timely penalties and sloppy execution and these first half blow outs turn into defibrillator moments.

Today though there was a change. The offense finally stepped up in the second half when the defense was struggling (largely due to a drop in pass rush play calling and pressure and Champs to be give aways), and proved to itself and the defense that they can retake command of a game again in teh 4th qrt. This is a HUGE thing for the inner strneght and confidence of this team going into the second half. They now realize the only thing holdign them back is themselves and nervous nelly play calling.

HAd we folded thsi game we would have never recovered, not wit hthe way we slaughtered them in teh fiurst half and what happend the flast few weeks.

So we can clebrate this as a truning point to teh next step of secodn hafl dmination rahter than the usual 5-3 slide to mediocrity.

At least thats what I expect out of them the rest of the way.

Even with the poor third quarter play. this wouldnt have been anywhere close if Champ is on the bench where he belongs with a bum leg. He can play with a shoulder, but not a tight hammy and might as well give Owens TDs on every series once that leg locks up like it did. The coaches learned the hard way ( I hope) not to trust Champ either cause he always will say he can play.

Fox was on TO like glue the rest of the 4th qrt and pretty much shut him down. We know we can rely on Fox for the taller receivers and put DW on the teams shorter top guy.

We should get Walls back after the bye as well as Brandon and I sure hope Champ can get over the hump with his Hammy as its looking like a season long nagging injury so far. We are going to need a fully healthy Champ to close out the year on top. Dont even think of letting him on the field again until he is 110%

[Sideburn]

I wish lynch could be a bit faster.

Some of the plays just alittle more speed could have been huge.
Yeah, you're probably right. We're going to need to start looking at Safety anyways since Lynch is getting pretty old. If not this draft, then the next unless we plan on bringing in a FA stud.

[Rascal]

Even that idiot Bradshaw commented about our defense going soft late in the games. If he can get it right, and most certainly everybody else in the league has as well, why can't a couple of you bone headed ones here come to grips with it.

The defense nearly gave the game away, they made ONE play in the third quarter and our offense and shanny said enough is enough and slammed the door shut. If it wasn't for our offense it could have been ugly.

Our defense has a nasty tendency of letting teams back it, and our offense has a nasty tendency of letting up on the gas. I think both are a result of play calling. Shanny doesn't go as aggressively, and Coyer doesn't adjust and keep changing things up and teams can start to predict what our D is going to do.

I understand the lack of being aggressive, to a degree, but Coyer needs to continue to shake things up on defense.

AND PLEASE...NEXT TIME CHAMP IS HURT TAKE HIS ASS OUT!!! WE HAVE SOME STUD ROOKIE CB'S. LET THEM PLAY!!!

I would not be opposed to having champ sit out against Oakland, Jets, and Dallas after the bye to guarantee that his hammy heals up.

We might get burned by Oakland who seems to be figuring out which pedal is the gas and which is the brake, but losing Champ for the season could be much worse.

[Atlas]

Plummer 304 yards, 4 TDs, no INTs.

Anyone else want to give him props at some point?

That was Plummer?? I thought Denver resigned Elway.

[Rascal]

I think alot of our problem is that our secondary just really isn't that great. Teams aren't rushing on us, they're passing. We get a lead, teams pass, and our secondary gets scorched. We so very badly need a cover safety.

Yeap. If we don't get pressure our secondary gets burned. The rookies and champ are golden. I think Fergy is serviceable, but Lynch is becoming a real liability.

I think safety should be the primary concern next year in the draft and FA.

[Atlas]

I don't buy that. McNabb is nowhere near healthy. We are very lucky that he was as banged up as he is or he might have had a career day against our pass D. I just wonder why Denver was able to stop Philly for 3 solid quarters but give up a ton of yards and 14 points in 1 quarter. Players or coaches? You tell me.

Well, he was injured last week too when the Chargers lost to the Eagles. It was a good win don't piss on our parade!! LOL LOL

[Crushaholic]

THAT'S the way to do it! I was pissed off with the comeback, but we got our offense back on stride, mixed up the run and the pass and regained tempo control. The defense had its problems down the stretch, but the defense isn't on the field when our offense is working...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No one said shutdown D dammit.

But it's very uncommon for a defense to let up a score every other drive and almost letting up a 4 score lead. Giving up 21 points period isn't a great D either.

I don't care how great you play in certain quarters.

This game is 4 quarters and any failure in one quarter could mean failure for the whole game.
Of course, you completely ignored the part about our O completely SUCKING :flush: in the 3rd and not giving ANY support or time off the field for the D.
I already said the D didn't play well in the 3rd qtr.

But continue on with your disappointment in today's game while I have another cold one and celebrate a great TEAM win!

[Taco John]

I never expected the defense to shut out the Eagles. 24 points is about what I'd have guessed. Apparently some people are expecting shut outs even if we're playing some of the best teams in the league.

What happened this week was perfect. That's the way we used to win games when we were winning Superbowls. Offense up first with high pressure defense... Then the other team comes back with some desperate passing... and then the offense steps on their neck.

If we can keep this up, we could go all the way.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lelie is coming out with some great play aswell. Made some extremely nice catches today. Also, anyone else think Watts is pretty much gone before the start of next season. Adams is stepping it up, and Devoe...well, Devoe is the friggin man!
Adams just needs game experience....same with Devoe

[Garcia Bronco]

He's also not forcing anything. No more trying to squeeze a pass in between two defenders, a lot less throwing it up for grabs. If it's not there he's throwing it away and moving on to the next play, as he should.


He let some go today deep to the side line that allowed only his receiver to catch it.

[Arkie]

The D is great, then they freak out and let teams score quickly. They were coming off the field throwing their helmets and screaming "what is wrong with us!" The reason for early 4 score leads are just as much credit to the D (see the goose egg on the other side of the scoreboard.) I believe McNabb's first "completion" was to John Lynch in the 2nd quarter. The offense should thank the defense for not allowing Philly a 1st down in their first 6 possessions. Just like the D should thank the O for keeping the ball in the fourth. The entire team should pat themselves on their backs. It was a great win.

[Rascal]

Adams and Devoe are really stepping up and Adams and Lelie have really improved their blocking. I think they are a major reason why we are seeing bigger plays this year from the running game. Before it was only Rod doing the blocking, but this year we are seeing all our WR's do it.

I would keep Watts though and let him develop, with Rod getting older we may need him. But if we can get something good for him in a trade I wouldn't be opposed, but I honestly doubt he has much trade value at this point.

[Kaylore]

For those of you worried about needing a cover safety, please don't forget about Brandon Browner. He missed a lot of camps and was still able to climbe his way from the 4th team to the second by the time he was injured. I think he could be the type of ball-hawking safety we need. We put him on IR so he'll have all season and next offseason to PT and get absorbe the system mentally.

[Rascal]

For those of you worried about needing a cover safety, please don't forget about Brandon Browner. He missed a lot of camps and was still able to climbe his way from the 4th team to the second by the time he was injured. I think he could be the type of ball-hawking safety we need. We put him on IR so he'll have all season and next offseason to PT and get absorbe the system mentally.

Let me guess...strained pinky?

And Sam Brandon hasn't exactly been worthless himself he could also play in the mix.

But either one of them becomes our starter or we get another one because Lynch, I'm sorry as I love the guy, is probably our weakest link on this defense.

[El Guapo]

I was definitely wondering about things in the 2nd half. thankfully fox turned it all around for us, and what a way to put a nice seal on the deal. :militia:

Keep up the great work Broncos! at this rate, well, im afraid to think of the possibilities!:charge:

[GreatBronco16]

Let me guess...strained pinky?

And Sam Brandon hasn't exactly been worthless himself he could also play in the mix.

But either one of them becomes our starter or we get another one because Lynch, I'm sorry as I love the guy, is probably our weakest link on this defense.

Well don't forget we have Cox as well that can play both S and CB. We have alot of young guys on this defense that should only get better if Denver can keep everyone here.

[Cito Pelon]

Lelie is coming out with some great play aswell. Made some extremely nice catches today. Also, anyone else think Watts is pretty much gone before the start of next season. Adams is stepping it up, and Devoe...well, Devoe is the friggin man!

It could be argued that Lelie had the play of the game. His block on 27 sprung Devoe for the TD. That was nice blocking.

[Atlas]

Man that's fricking dumb. Why you bringing in if's into that game with a situation like that. Obviously, if you take away the bad plays, the D played perfect.

And I wasn't asking for a shutdown D either, but giving up 21 points ain't exactly great D playing.

Almost blew a four score lead.

Against the Eagles giving up 21 points is not bad. What teams have a shutdown defense this year???

[DB-Freak]

Against the Eagles giving up 21 points is not bad. What teams have a shutdown defense this year???
Again who said shutdown defense?

[Atlas]

Again who said shutdown defense?

You said "giving up 21 points ain't exactly great D playing." Well, against the Eagles when you pressure Mcnabb they way the Broncos did and when you get 2 INTs off of Mcnabb and hold them to 21 points I would say that is a great defensive effort.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Our defensive problems ended when we took the peg-leg out of man coverage against Owens.

[Popps]

Works for me. I'm just glad they did it. Last week they choked when the defense started making a stand. This week they "saved us" from our defense who had just made two defensive stops in a row.

Yes, the defense stumbled hard, but I had been expecting it would happen soon enough between McNabb and Owens and the fact that they were pretty much forced to throw the ball. The only way we win that game is if the offense plays back. They did.

Thank God!

Yea, thank god.... but you can't win a championship like that. Our defense has eaten $##t and either given away, or almost given away the last four games.
Our offense CAN'T keep racking up 500 yards a game. At some point, we're going to have to win a playoff style football game. (Low scoring, big defensive plays, etc.) That's what separated teams like us and Indy last year... from teams who could play defense like Philly and New England.

I'm glad the O bailed out the D again, but we've got to fix this in a hurry.
Shanahan can't be happy with what he's seeing.

[Popps]

You said "giving up 21 points ain't exactly great D playing." Well, against the Eagles when you pressure Mcnabb they way the Broncos did and when you get 2 INTs off of Mcnabb and hold them to 21 points I would say that is a great defensive effort.

Look, man... San Diego shut down their offense in a CLOSE game last week.
Why is it that our offense can put a team in a throw-only hole, and teams can still throw against us?

You can paint it however you want, but if our offense wouldn't have stepped WAY beyond what's expected of them... we would have lost this game. Our D couldn't wait to give the thing away.

What if we would have gone 3-out after that pick? Does our D step up and play tough, or do they bend over like last week?

Luckily, the offense kept that scenario from coming to fruition.

[No1BroncoFan]

Totally agree. TJ's too critical of the offense and Plummer and not enough of the play-calling or the defense. Plummer had an absoultely amazing game today with four touchdowns, 300+ yards and once again noit a single interception. Both our backs rushed more than 100 yards each and scored three TD's between them. We scored seven touchdowns and put up 500 yards of offense against a pretty good defense and Taco is merely "satisfied" pointing out that the offense did "what it was supposed to do".

Unrealistic expectations.

Hey Taco, do we score 77 points against this team if Plummer doesn't play and "hold our offense back"?
Amen! I don't expect much out of TJ now that Griese is gone. Everything is the fault of the offense.

C'mon TJ, the offense was AWESOME today. To say you were just satisfied makes me wonder if you didn't have more that just a man crush on the greasy one.

Ben

[Rock Chalk]

Take away the 2 plays Champ lets TO run wild and we played fine on D. There is no such thing as a shut down D anymore in the NFL, not with the rules the way they are.
The Giants just shut down the Redskins.

[Atlas]

Look, man... San Diego shut down their offense in a CLOSE game last week.
Why is it that our offense can put a team in a throw-only hole, and teams can still throw against us?
.

S.D. lost that game. If their defense would have made an INT when they needed it maybe they would have won.

[elsid13]

Let me guess...strained pinky?




No more like broken forearm, I think.

[Rock Chalk]

S.D. lost that game. If their defense would have made an INT when they needed it maybe they would have won.
Exactly. But yet when we lose, according to Taco, its the offense's fault? You are essentially agreeing with what Popps is saying in your post.

[Atlas]

You can paint it however you want, but if our offense wouldn't have stepped WAY beyond what's expected of them... we would have lost this game. Our D couldn't wait to give the thing away.
.

They gave up 21 points! Would you have felt better if Denver gave up 7 in the first 7 in the second and 7 up in the 4th. Would that have made you feel better? Would that have been a better defensive performance?

Bottom line is they pressured the QB forced 2 turnovers and gave up 21 points.

[RedskinBronco]

They gave up 21 points! Would you have felt better if Denver gave up 7 in the first 7 in the second and 7 up in the 4th. Would that have made you feel better? Would that have been a better defensive performance?

Bottom line is they pressured the QB forced 2 turnovers and gave up 21 points.


My only problem with this team and this is the team as a WHOLE, is that I hope it doesn't become mental. They have overcome some potential collapses because they were home games IMO. On the road, they might blow these games just like against the Giants. At some point, I hope the Broncos realize how good they are. They can play with anyone, but they have to have that aggressiveness for 60 minutes. 21 pts is acceptable, but it's just the way they get really tentative. You can't expect a Foxworth interception or something big to happen to turn it around. They need to realize that they are good enough to dominate. Sometimes it seems like they lose focus or confidence. Whatever it is, if they can fix the pattern, LOOK OUT. This team is as good as anyone right now. Hopefully, the players really start to believe it.

On another note, I just don't like Coyer that much. I thought it was him that lost the Giants game, eventhough shanahan kind of got conservative. I'll let that be though. Im not going to talk about Coyer anymore or at least not try to. I'll wait until the end of year to bash him or hopefully not bash him.

[Popps]

S.D. lost that game. If their defense would have made an INT when they needed it maybe they would have won.

Holmes, did you watch the game?

They lost the game on a freak play, blocked FG.

It had nothing to do with 99% of the game.

The Chargers kept Philly in check all day in a close game.

We couldn't stop them when we KNEW they were going to throw the ball, and that's happened for the last four games straight. At some point, teams are just going to come out and play 2-min drill against us the whole game if we can't show that we can stop it.

[Popps]

They gave up 21 points! Would you have felt better if Denver gave up 7 in the first 7 in the second and 7 up in the 4th.

That's a fair enough question, because people bashing our offense use that kind of logic. (Somehow a TD in the first quarter isn't worth as much as one in the fourth.)

But, I think you're smart enough to understand the difference in the scenarios. We built up a big lead and our defense (like the last three weeks) did their best to give it away. Our offense finally stepped in and stopped the bleeding.

This isn't a championship caliber defense right now. You can spin it however you want, but there will have to be massive changes if we expect to win in Dec/Jan.

[bloodsunday]

564 yards of total offense. Just wow.

When was the last time a team had a QB throw for 300+ yards as well as having 2 100+ yard rushers?
First time in NFL history. (No kidding).

[Rock Chalk]

First time in NFL history. (No kidding).
What are you doing out of your hole this week? We won. Crawl back in there and then come out and naysay when we lose again. That's the only thing you seem to be good at anyway.

[bloodsunday]

I'll add to this by saying that he's now gone 6 games without an INT and has 11 TD passes in that stretch.

12 TD's, 3 INT's for the season. A 4-1 ratio on TD's to INT's. If you can't give Plummer credit now you're officially just a hater. Plummer was good today and has done, by enlarge, what we asked of him this season. I still say that he is not the QB for us. This game was too close for a while there. Blame it on the O or the D, but both went silent for about 1.5 quarters.

Let's keep things in some perspective...
1) This team is still finding a way to let teams hang around too long
2) 5 of our 6 wins are at home
3) Our 70 million dollar DB just doesn't seem right.

I think we are in good shape, but we are going to have to be road warriors for a while. We'll earn whatever comes our way in the second half.

[bloodsunday]

What are you doing out of your hole this week? We won. Crawl back in there and then come out and naysay when we lose again. That's the only thing you seem to be good at anyway. Don't be an ass.... ooops too late.

I'm here every week, win or lose -- as my 3,000 posts in 6 months will prove. I am also very consistent in my opinions. Just because I don't believe this team is as good as the record suggests, doesn't mean I am not a fan (like you believe). This team has something to prove, and until they do, I reserve the right to be skeptical.

[Ray Finkle]

Plummer was good today and has done, by enlarge, what we asked of him this season. I still say that he is not the QB for us. This game was too close for a while there. Blame it on the O or the D, but both went silent for about 1.5 quarters.

Let's keep things in some perspective...
1) This team is still finding a way to let teams hang around too long
2) 5 of our 6 wins are at home
3) Our 70 million dollar DB just doesn't seem right.

I think we are in good shape, but we are going to have to be road warriors for a while. We'll earn whatever comes our way in the second half.


blah blah blah X week 7....

[Atlas]

That's a fair enough question, because people bashing our offense use that kind of logic. (Somehow a TD in the first quarter isn't worth as much as one in the fourth.)

But, I think you're smart enough to understand the difference in the scenarios. We built up a big lead and our defense (like the last three weeks) did their best to give it away. Our offense finally stepped in and stopped the bleeding.

This isn't a championship caliber defense right now. You can spin it however you want, but there will have to be massive changes if we expect to win in Dec/Jan.

I agree with you that the defense has been a little unsettleing. They need to dominate a game because as we witnessed last week if you continually let your opponent hang around you'll eventually lose one. Which they did to the Giants. That being said Denver is 6-2 and they are in first place. They have some issues but they can work them out.

[DB-Freak]

Like Bloodsunday said, I think I'm gonna hold out on judging this team.

The road games are the true test for the Broncos. Broncos has always had a great home record.

[Cito Pelon]

Yea, thank god.... but you can't win a championship like that. Our defense has eaten $##t and either given away, or almost given away the last four games.
Our offense CAN'T keep racking up 500 yards a game. At some point, we're going to have to win a playoff style football game. (Low scoring, big defensive plays, etc.) That's what separated teams like us and Indy last year... from teams who could play defense like Philly and New England.

I'm glad the O bailed out the D again, but we've got to fix this in a hurry.
Shanahan can't be happy with what he's seeing.

If you're saying that at least 2 out of the 3 units have to be clicking at the same time in every quarter of every game to win a Championship of any kind, I agree.

[Atlas]

Like Bloodsunday said, I think I'm gonna hold out on judging this team.

The road games are the true test for the Broncos. Broncos has always had a great home record.

But they don't always go 8-0 at home that would be huge

[DB-Freak]

But they don't always go 8-0 at home that would be huge
True, but we'll see if it happens.

[bloodsunday]

But they don't always go 8-0 at home that would be huge
Yeah they usually blow a game here or there. Oakland looks like the most logical choice right now because I don't fear NY or Baltimore at all. If they hold on to 8 - 0 at home, they'll be in the mix for the Division Title at the very least.

We have two home games between now and Xmas-eve. We'll find out what this team is made of. I think 4 - 4 on the road would be huge.

[DB-Freak]

Yea, thank god.... but you can't win a championship like that. Our defense has eaten $##t and either given away, or almost given away the last four games.
Our offense CAN'T keep racking up 500 yards a game. At some point, we're going to have to win a playoff style football game. (Low scoring, big defensive plays, etc.) That's what separated teams like us and Indy last year... from teams who could play defense like Philly and New England.

I'm glad the O bailed out the D again, but we've got to fix this in a hurry.
Shanahan can't be happy with what he's seeing.
What do you mean by again?

I dont remember a game where the offense has truly bailed out the defense besides today.

[Atlas]

Yeah they usually blow a game here or there. Oakland looks like the most logical choice right now because I don't fear NY or Baltimore at all. If they hold on to 8 - 0 at home, they'll be in the mix for the Division Title at the very least.

We have two home games between now and Xmas-eve. We'll find out what this team is made of. I think 4 - 4 on the road would be huge.

Yeah I agree. 4-4 on the road would mean Denver wins the West I have no doubt about that.

[Mediator12]

Only in a great win would people on the board be looking to take sides like little children saying "I told you so." Everyone STILL has to be right and protect their rep I guess.

Anyway,6-2 against a brutal schedule including two huge wins over the division and NE and PHI for the Second best record in the league. Enjoy it with your fellow Bronco fans! The team has looked better every week and the offense was truly amazing today. Amidst the chatter, PHI was 0-12 passing to start the game, had one first down until their last drive TD of the half. The only truly bigtime concern was the red zone % defensively again. The third quarter was poor all the way around with Bailey getting to be the scapegoat for the 91 yard TD.

Perception is unduly influenced by bias and since everyone here has to be stereotyped this board has gone totally downhill. Can we just have a small truce until after the break?

[epicSocialism4tw]

This thread could just as easily be called "See What Happens When Your Offense Wins the Game Before The Defense Loses It."

Jake, MA, Bell, Devoe, and our offensive line won the game today. 28 points should have been enough for the defense and once again it wasnt.

[Mediator12]

This thread could just as easily be called "See What Happens When Your Offense Wins the Game Before The Defense Loses It."

Jake, MA, Bell, Devoe, and our offensive line won the game today. 28 points should have been enough for the defense and once again it wasnt.

How do you figure since PHI only scored 21 points. 28>21 last time I checked.

[Orange4Life]

Only in a great win would people on the board be looking to take sides like little children saying "I told you so." Everyone STILL has to be right and protect their rep I guess.

Anyway,6-2 against a brutal schedule including two huge wins over the division and NE and PHI for the Second best record in the league. Enjoy it with your fellow Bronco fans! The team has looked better every week and the offense was truly amazing today. Amidst the chatter, PHI was 0-12 passing to start the game, had one first down until their last drive TD of the half. The only truly bigtime concern was the red zone % defensively again. The third quarter was poor all the way around with Bailey getting to be the scapegoat for the 91 yard TD.

Perception is unduly influenced by bias and since everyone here has to be stereotyped this board has gone totally downhill. Can we just have a small truce until after the break?
I agree with all of this. We have played some really good teams, we are 6-2 and still bitching over who did the most. If you stop and look around we are having a really good year.

[ludo21]

How do you figure since PHI only scored 21 points. 28>21 last time I checked.


:laugh:

People gotta find something to take away after a great win. I still think leaving Champ in so long was a liability after he tweaked his hammy again.

The bye couldnt come at a better time tho, and at week 9 we are still very healthy *knoc, knock* That is huge!!

Splitting the road games would be nice, but i think this team is better than that and losing more than 1 i would be upset.

Bloody, whats you r beef with plummer? Seriously is odd after winning the game their is still beef with him, espcially after the monster game he had. :twitch:

[epicSocialism4tw]

How do you figure since PHI only scored 21 points. 28>21 last time I checked.

The Denver defense was one series away from essentially losing the game. We were fortunate to have Foxworth (who was getting beat regularly) come down with that ball in the endzone after the Eagles had just manhandled the defense for three straight series' and were working on the fourth.

The rook made a great play, but before that play the defense had played absolutely horrible for the second half.

Thank goodness Jake Plummer had a brilliant game and some important offensive players finally woke up and contributed alongside him.

[ludo21]

The Denver defense was one series away from essentially losing the game. We were fortunate to have Foxworth (who was getting beat regularly) come down with that ball in the endzone after the Eagles had just manhandled the defense for three straight series' and were working on the fourth.

The rook made a great play, but before that play the defense had played absolutely horrible for the second half.

Thank goodness Jake Plummer had a brilliant game and the some important offensive players finally woke up and contributed alongside him.


I dont agree with the Fox getting burnt all day part. He really played well. Champ got burned twice, wish set up the TD's.

Course i cant find any wrong with Fox. :homer:

[Mediator12]

The Denver defense was one series away from essentially losing the game. We were fortunate to have Foxworth (who was getting beat regularly) come down with that ball in the endzone after the Eagles had just manhandled the defense for three straight series' and were working on the fourth.

The rook made a great play, but before that play the defense had played absolutely horrible for the second half.

Thank goodness Jake Plummer had a brilliant game and some important offensive players finally woke up and contributed alongside him.

Again, your opinion is your own. But 28 is still greater than 21. You may feel any way you like, but the facts are they never surrendered the lead so stop insinuating they would have because you have no idea.

[errand]

Plummer 304 yards, 4 TDs, no INTs.

Anyone else want to give him props at some point?

Not too bad for a "roadblock", huh?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Again, your opinion is your own. But 28 is still greater than 21. You may feel any way you like, but the facts are they never surrendered the lead so stop insinuating they would have because you have no idea.


You can make up all of the excuses that you want, but you and the Jake haters have been exposed for your bias.

Sure, I know I am entitled to my opinion and I dont need your validation to afford me such a luxury.

Crawl into a hole with Matt Leinart and dont come out until there is a need for he and the rebuilding that comes with him.

[errand]

They just said on the postgame show that this was the 2nd most yards of total offense in a game in team history.

First time they've had a pair of 100 yard rushers in a regular season game since 1976.

Otis Armstrong and Jon Keyworth vs the Bears I believe...

[ludo21]

Not too bad for a "roadblock", huh?


or a "game manager"

:D

[Clockwork Orange]

Otis Armstrong and Jon Keyworth vs the Bears I believe...

They said it was Armstrong & Norris Weese. They didn't say who it was against though.

[Mediator12]

You can make up all of the excuses that you want, but you and the Jake haters have been exposed for your bias.

Sure, I know I am entitled to my opinion and I dont need your validation to afford me such a luxury.

Crawl into a hole with Matt Leinart and dont come out until there is a need for he and the rebuilding that comes with him.

First, you have no argument that the defense EVER surrendered the lead and are scrambling to stereotypes and trying to make me look bad.

Second, I have admitted more than ten times recently that Jake has been playing very well. And exactly who are you to call me a hater? Excellent use of name calling.

Third, get over it dude. The Broncos are 6-2. Why all the hate? What the hell have I ever done to you except expose a rediculous inference on your part?

[Mile High Shack]

this defense still scares me

we always collapse

I don't care if we go 3 and out the rest of the game, there is no excuse to almost give up a 28 point lead

[Mediator12]

Good, be scared. They scare me too. However, if they were as bad as you and others have made them out to be then they would not be 6-2 right now. Mia is the only team that has scored their average or more against this team. Yes, that is right every other team has been held BELOW their average.

[ludo21]

this defense still scares me

we always collapse

I don't care if we go 3 and out the rest of the game, there is no excuse to almost give up a 28 point lead


what??

4 straight 3 and outs will tire out even the great Defenses of the past.

And dont forget, they only let up 21 points, not bad against a very explosive Eagles team. The thing i forget is they scored in the first half. That means we held them to only 14 points in the second half which is a great improvement over the past few games.

The D played a risky gameplan as well, 9 man blitzes, if they completed a pass it was always guaranteed a big gain.

The TO TD was tribute to a mistake by champ letting him insde and a great play by one of the greatest WR in the game. Missing tackles late in the game was also an indication of the D being tired IMO.

[epicSocialism4tw]

First, you have no argument that the defense EVER surrendered the lead and are scrambling to stereotypes and trying to make me look bad.

Second, I have admitted more than ten times recently that Jake has been playing very well. And exactly who are you to call me a hater? Excellent use of name calling.

Third, get over it dude. The Broncos are 6-2. Why all the hate? What the hell have I ever done to you except expose a rediculous inference on your part?

You made an ill-tempered childish personal reference in your post. I see nothing here but half-witted backpedaling. You know as well as I do that the defense was in trouble coming out of the 3rd and going into the 4th quarter.

The inference that the lead would have been surrendered is reasonable enough given the recent history of the team (even the previous result).

Common sense says that the Eagles were in control until Foxworth's timely pick. Gerard Warren's sideline antics should be enough evidence for you to deduce that the defense was getting slapped around in crunch time up to that point.

[Taco John]

I don't care if we go 3 and out the rest of the game, there is no excuse to almost give up a 28 point lead


That just shows your bias.

I, for one, do care if we go 3 and out the rest of the game. That's ridiculous to expect that an unit could shut it down for an entire half and the other unit should just hold the other team for the rest of the half.

Defense stumbled today, for sure, but this time they got the help they needed from the other half of the team. THAT'S how a team is supposed to play. Both units deserve bigtime props today.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That just shows your bias.

I, for one, do care if we go 3 and out the rest of the game. That's ridiculous to expect that an unit could shut it down for an entire half and the other unit should just hold the other team for the rest of the half.

Defense stumbled today, for sure, but this time they got the help they needed from the other half of the team. THAT'S how a team is supposed to play. Both units deserve bigtime props today.


The offense carried the lion's share of the load today. They dominated a really good defense.

TOP:
Den-37:00
PHI-23:00

563 total yards
0 turnovers
7 touchdowns
100% conversion of Red Zone opportunities into TD's.

[Mediator12]

You made an ill-tempered childish personal reference in your post. I see nothing here but half-witted backpedaling. You know as well as I do that the defense was in trouble coming out of the 3rd and going into the 4th quarter.

The inference that the lead would have been surrendered is reasonable enough given the recent history of the team (even the previous result).

Common sense says that the Eagles were in control until Foxworth's timely pick. Gerard Warren's sideline antics should be enough evidence for you to deduce that the defense was getting slapped around in crunch time up to that point.

Where was the personal reference Angryllama? I stated:

Again, your opinion is your own. But 28 is still greater than 21. You may feel any way you like, but the facts are they never surrendered the lead so stop insinuating they would have because you have no idea.

With which you replied:

You can make up all of the excuses that you want, but you and the Jake haters have been exposed for your bias.

Sure, I know I am entitled to my opinion and I dont need your validation to afford me such a luxury.

Crawl into a hole with Matt Leinart and dont come out until there is a need for he and the rebuilding that comes with him.

You called me a Jake hater and I am not. I will always question his performances, but I also give him credit when it is due.

I never called for Leinart, but little did that stop you from inventing something to criticize me for since you have no basis to backup your inference to the defense actually ever blowing the lead.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Where was the personal reference Angryllama? I stated:

Again, your opinion is your own. But 28 is still greater than 21. You may feel any way you like, but the facts are they never surrendered the lead so stop insinuating they would have because you have no idea.

With which you replied:

You can make up all of the excuses that you want, but you and the Jake haters have been exposed for your bias.

Sure, I know I am entitled to my opinion and I dont need your validation to afford me such a luxury.

Crawl into a hole with Matt Leinart and dont come out until there is a need for he and the rebuilding that comes with him.

You called me a Jake hater and I am not. I will always question his performances, but I also give him credit when it is due.

I never called for Leinart, but little did that stop you from inventing something to criticize me for since you have no basis to backup your inference to the defense actually ever blowing the lead.


You sure can talk in circles.

The point where you inferred that I was an idiot is emboldened. If you wish to better disguise your thoughts, you should use a different method. My thoughts were perfectly reasonable and deep down inside, you are backpedaling away from that fact. Give it up.

You deserve to be exposed for your bias because it has been so blatant. I'm sure that Im not the only person on this board that has recognized it.

[Popps]

Good, be scared. They scare me too. However, if they were as bad as you and others have made them out to be then they would not be 6-2 right now.


Didn't we have similar records the last two years?

Didn't our defense collapse in the playoffs two years straight?

Didn't the staff spend two off-seaons trying to improve the defensive side of the ball?

So, yea... we can be 6-2, and the defense can still be a big concern... and it is.

[Popps]

That just shows your bias.
THAT'S how a team is supposed to play. Both units deserve bigtime props today.

Not really.

Both units should be able to perform at a high level, independent of what the other is doing.

Obviously, at certain points... one can force the other into difficult situations.

But, when one is continually giving the other a huge pad, and the other continues to step on their own dicks, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which side isn't pulling their weight.

Again, thank god our offense saved our defense from themselves... or we would be looking at another NY outcome. Hell, the D tried to blow that Patriot game, too. Luckily, the offense made some key first downs before they could.

I'm not sure why you want to dance around this problem to such an extent.
You've clearly decided the defense is your new Brian Griese. I'll never figure that **** out. If a unit is performing well, I'm thrilled. Our offense is... our defense is not, period.

[Mediator12]

You sure can talk in circles.

The point where you inferred that I was an idiot is emboldened. If you wish to better disguise your thoughts, you should use a different method. My thoughts were perfectly reasonable and deep down inside, you are backpedaling away from that fact. Give it up.

You deserve to be exposed for your bias because it has been so blatant. I'm sure that Im not the only person on this board that has recognized it.

LookI try to remain as objective as I can without nonverbal communication. I am very careful what I say because their is no non-verbal communication on a board. I choose words very carefully.

I am also a Psychologist so please spare me your feeble attempts to ever say that you can infer motive. That is impossible and there is not one person alive who can read thoughts.

Your thoughts, as you stated them, was that the defense would have eventually lost the lead. To which I responded that they NEVER did and have ONLY lost one lead all year. Your thinking is perilous in that you wish to assume the worst based on the most recent events.

I might want to call you a name for acting the way you have toward me, but I try and refrain from doing that. I never thought you were an "idiot" but am sticking up for the defense here who never surrendered the lead. Sure they could have, but they never did and actually had someone make a great play to stop a drive just like they did versus WAS, NE, JAX, and SD. Just because they did allow the NYG to drive for the winning score last week, does not automatically make this game the same. That is why they play 60 minutes every week.

[Taco John]

Not really.
Both units should be able to perform at a high level, independent of what the other is doing.
Obviously, at certain points... one can force the other into difficult situations.
But, when one is continually giving the other a huge pad, and the other continues to step on their own dicks, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which side isn't pulling their weight.
Again, thank god our offense saved our defense from themselves... or we would be looking at another NY outcome. Hell, the D tried to blow that Patriot game, too. Luckily, the offense made some key first downs before they could.
I'm not sure why you want to dance around this problem to such an extent.
You've clearly decided the defense is your new Brian Griese. I'll never figure that **** out. If a unit is performing well, I'm thrilled. Our offense is... our defense is not, period.


I think I just understand the game better than you, Popps. ???

Our defense kept the Eagles off our backs until the end of the second quarter. The offense never got out of it's gameplan because of it. But once again, our defense managed to turn it around with a huge game-breaking interception. The key difference in this game from last week is that the offense did something with it, thus taking the pressure off the D, and allowing Coyer to put the pressure back on the Eagles, where it belongs.

I never in my wildest dreams imagined that we'd shut out the Eagles. I can't believe anybody here did. We held them to 3 points less than I had imagined the Eagles would score.

Today is the way it happened during our Superbowl runs... The defense would put pressure on early, giving the offense room to operate and get an early lead. Then the other team would desperately start throwing the ball and pull within striking distance, at which point the offense would step on their throats and score more points.

Both units struggled today in the third quarter. Both units made the proper adjustments to fix it. You can put down their effort if you choose, but I couldn't be more proud of this TEAM effort.

[Mediator12]

Not really.

Both units should be able to perform at a high level, independent of what the other is doing.

Obviously, at certain points... one can force the other into difficult situations.

But, when one is continually giving the other a huge pad, and the other continues to step on their own dicks, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which side isn't pulling their weight.

Again, thank god our offense saved our defense from themselves... or we would be looking at another NY outcome. Hell, the D tried to blow that Patriot game, too. Luckily, the offense made some key first downs before they could.

I'm not sure why you want to dance around this problem to such an extent.
You've clearly decided the defense is your new Brian Griese. I'll never figure that **** out. If a unit is performing well, I'm thrilled. Our offense is... our defense is not, period.

Explain to me again popps how a lead is sustained. I think you missed the part where the defense held the Eagles Scoreless until 1:33 left in the first half.

Again, how many points did the Offense score in that poor third Quarter? Screw points how about those 13 plays on four drives again. One dimensional argument popps does not work with a circular problem.

[epicSocialism4tw]

LookI try to remain as objective as I can without nonverbal communication. I am very careful what I say because their is no non-verbal communication on a board. I choose words very carefully.

You obviously overlooked your standard of scrutiny when you forgot to weigh your response where you said that my thinking was faulty and you unapologetically looked down from your imaginary logical throne to put me in my place. It was an arrogant statement and was out of place.

I am also a Psychologist so please spare me your feeble attempts to ever say that you can infer motive. That is impossible and there is not one person alive who can read thoughts.

I am glad that I am not one of your patients. You dont have to read thoughts to be able to understand tone.

Your thoughts, as you stated them, was that the defense would have eventually lost the lead. To which I responded that they NEVER did and have ONLY lost one lead all year. Your thinking is perilous in that you wish to assume the worst based on the most recent events.

Here is a blatant oversimplification. Ian Gold made a goal-line play to win the game vs. Washington. Foxworth made a play when the defense was on the verge of collapse today. The defense gave up the TD and lost to NY. The team barely staved off a loss in the Patriots game due to the same type of late game collapse. Those are obviously not statistical abberations. 5 out of 8 games have ended with a difference of one score.

I might want to call you a name for acting the way you have toward me, but I try and refrain from doing that. I never thought you were an "idiot" but am sticking up for the defense here who never surrendered the lead. Sure they could have, but they never did and actually had someone make a great play to stop a drive just like they did versus WAS, NE, JAX, and SD. Just because they did allow the NYG to drive for the winning score last week, does not automatically make this game the same. That is why they play 60 minutes every week.

Here is just the opposite side of the coin. I would not depend on something that is bent to the verge of a break to hold true under every circumstance.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Anyway,6-2 against a brutal schedule including two huge wins over the division and NE and PHI for the Second best record in the league. Enjoy it with your fellow Bronco fans! The team has looked better every week and the offense was truly amazing today.

Hell yeah!

Shutting out the NFC champs for almost the entire first half and hanging 49 points on them is cause for celebration.

http://www.mahuffer.com/denver-broncos/denver-broncos-t-shirt.jpg

[errand]

Explain to me again popps how a lead is sustained. I think you missed the part where the defense held the Eagles Scoreless until 1:33 left in the first half.

Again, how many points did the Offense score in that poor third Quarter? Screw points how about those 13 plays on four drives again. One dimensional argument popps does not work with a circular problem.

So if a lead is maintained due to a defense keeping an opponent off the score board...then wouldn't a lead be blown by that same defense allowing opposing offense to score?

As for the few minutes of offensive futility we endured perhaps the Eagles D, energized by the offenses sudden success aginst our D was able to prevent the Broncos o from doing anything well for 3 drives.

But instead of bitching about 3 drives by our O that yielded few yards, why not bitch about two TD's scored in a matter of mere minutes (continuing their late 1st half success)...not to mention the fact that prior to foxworth's INT at the goal line, we saw the Eagles driving for what possibly was the game tying score. someone on the D finally made a play....

[bloodsunday]

You can make up all of the excuses that you want, but you and the Jake haters have been exposed for your bias.

Sure, I know I am entitled to my opinion and I dont need your validation to afford me such a luxury.

Crawl into a hole with Matt Leinart and dont come out until there is a need for he and the rebuilding that comes with him.
The personal insult posts are always so informative and full of great points.

[Mile High Shack]

That just shows your bias.

I, for one, do care if we go 3 and out the rest of the game. That's ridiculous to expect that an unit could shut it down for an entire half and the other unit should just hold the other team for the rest of the half.

Defense stumbled today, for sure, but this time they got the help they needed from the other half of the team. THAT'S how a team is supposed to play. Both units deserve bigtime props today.

no, the defense does not deserve props

it deserves props in the 1st half alone, they almost gacked again

it's sad our offense has to set an NFL record to make up for our shoddy D in the 2nd halves of games

[bloodsunday]

Good, be scared. They scare me too. However, if they were as bad as you and others have made them out to be then they would not be 6-2 right now. Mia is the only team that has scored their average or more against this team. Yes, that is right every other team has been held BELOW their average.
Here's the reason I am scared... We play the entire second half on the road. It's actually possible that our second half schedule is HARDER simply because of the number of road games. We have now pulled this surrender the lead crap 4 straight games. We have been able to hang on in those games at home. As we learned last week it doesn't work as well on the road.

This team is has improved (especially on offense) each week and that is very encouraging. Our running game looks unstoppable. I would still like to see the Offense make one or two more big plays (namely third down conversions) when these games start getting too close, but that's just me. I think the offense staying on the field should be the #1 priority when you are playing with any lead.

I am very, very hopeful that Champ can get healthy soon. He is reportedly playing at about 60% (according to Foxworth). I was worried during Traning Camp that his injury would be a season long thing. It is simply too hard to miss all of the preseason and then step in and play against the likes of TO.

[BritBronco Maniac]

Shack you are way off base here.

The D played well until:

The O starts going 3 and out repeatly, keeping the D on the field.
Owens rips a 91 yd TD, due to Champ's injured hammy.
Two things you'd hope aren't going to be the case every game.

After the 3rd TD, the offense failed to get a 1st down again.
Philly drove down the field, and should have scored again, except the D end up with a pick that led to an offensive score.

THAT is why the D deserve props. They could have folded, but this time they came through.
The circumstances that led to that situation can't be blamed entirely on them.

[Mediator12]

Here is just the opposite side of the coin. I would not depend on something that is bent to the verge of a break to hold true under every circumstance.

So you, just like others are telling me exactly what I am thinking? Great.

Yes I was pejorative in my reply to you about making an inference that you can not back up. I was concerned with a faulty statement not the person who said it. That was the whole point. I was concerned with the statement you made about the defense blowing up again. I have nothing personal against YOU. The personal inferences are all yours. If anyone is hiding anything it is simply defending your point with defense mechanisms.

They have surrendered ONE lead all year and that was last week at NYG. Yes, other teams have come back and put up points in the fourth. And yesterday was the first time the offense felt like even considering playing in the fourth Quarter over that same stretch. And from that, you make a generalization that can not be supported by anything but your opinon.

Finally, for the third time you are not an "idiot." I never said or implied that at all. You infered that, and I am telling you that was simple miscommunication. Just keep telling me that I meant something different than what I did. Obviously, you know me better than I know myself.

BTW, I like most of your takes angryllama. I agree with you on most things. I am just absolutely floored that one side of the ball is getting all the blame while continuing to pull out five of six games with a fourth Quarter lead. Especially with all the rules against them. I mean how many fourth quarter comebacks do you see? A lot. In other sports too. That is when the game is on the line. Teams do not just give up. I also wish the defense would be a hell of a lot more consistent. It pains me to no end to see them wither when the have absolutely dominated teams for most of the game.

[bendog]

Does a team have to be nfl champs to get an offensive PI call in the 4th?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20051030_BUF@NE

[bloodsunday]

I thought the officiating was lack-luster again, but clearly better than last week. I am still seeing our DL get held a ton and those receivers (TEs and FBs) that go into the MLB area of the field are getting mauled.

On the whole though, the officials were not a factor in that game, and that is a good thing.

[Spider]

Pretty Damn happy with the Browncos and Jake Plummer .........Should be clear to everyone Shanny struck gold with these guys ........ McNabb was on his back more then my sister ............

[Pezman]

Pretty Damn happy with the Browncos and Jake Plummer .........Should be clear to everyone Shanny struck gold with these guys ........ McNabb was on his back more then my sister ............

Oh if only Patchy were here to read that bro Hilarious!

[DarkHorse30]

TJ.

More like see what happens when Mike, finally, wake up and runs the ball. Durning the 3rd quarter melt down he called more 3 and out pass plays. Kust like last week he abandons the run with this team up double digits.

At least this week he woke up and decided to run the ball in the 4th! Wow look what happens!



Do you know what it's like to see the opposing team burn the clock more than you do.....when you have a 14 point lead? I completely agree, the 3 consectutive 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter looked like last week.

"Gee, uh, Mike....should we run the ball yet on this drive?"

"No, Gary...I got a feeling this empty backfield setup is really going to pay off..."

:moody:

[Spider]

Oh if only Patchy were here to read that bro Hilarious!
;D 16 pages of insults off that 1 post right there ..........

[bendog]

Do you know what it's like to see the opposing team burn the clock more than you do.....when you have a 14 point lead? I completely agree, the 3 consectutive 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter looked like last week.

"Gee, uh, Mike....should we run the ball yet on this drive?"

"No, Gary...I got a feeling this empty backfield setup is really going to pay off..."

:moody:
"Naw Gary, we need the empty backfield when we have the lead on film again. Wait till indy and we'll run some crazy ass QB keeper or bootleg into a double reverse or something."