View Full Version : McNabb on our Defense
Sir Mawn
10-27-2005, 12:02 AM
"Very exciting defense. They like to blitz a lot. They have a lot of confidence in their corners and one of the top three LB tandems in the league with Williams, Gold and Wilson. They're a challenge."
Wednesday press conference. Hope this hasn't been posted before... Never mentioned the Browncos though.
Popps
10-27-2005, 12:50 AM
Warren is doing his job... Pryce isn't worth what we're paying him, but he's still a guy who has to be accounted for. Outside of that, there's not much reason to mention our line. I DO think we're better than last in the league in sacks, but we've got to start proving it.
-Sacks
-Passes batted down
-Stops behind the line of scrimmage
All three of those have to go up in a hurry.
watermock
10-27-2005, 01:08 AM
Our line is stuffing the run and bringing pressure, we simply are not generating sacks...we have 4 bull rushers. Warren, Pryce, Brown, Myers, Coleman used to be able to speed rush but he's old...We seemed to send the blitz and it didn't get thru either...that's disturbing...
Rausch
10-27-2005, 02:14 AM
Blitz McNabb all game like you did the 2nd half against the chagahs and you win.
Pull up limp like KC did in the 2nd half of our game with them and you'll lose.
McNabb has already grown use to TO as a crutch. Don't give him time to locate TO and it's game over...
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 07:18 AM
Warren is doing his job... Pryce isn't worth what we're paying him, but he's still a guy who has to be accounted for. Outside of that, there's not much reason to mention our line. I DO think we're better than last in the league in sacks, but we've got to start proving it.
-Sacks
-Passes batted down
-Stops behind the line of scrimmage
All three of those have to go up in a hurry.
I disagree with you about the line, Popps. I think our problems have to do with the secondary. The line is creating tons of pressure. I believe we are in the top 5 in that department. The reason those aren't translating into sacks is because we are playing ridiculously soft zones to protect our rookie CBs. As long as the recievers read the blitz and cut their routes accordingly, the DBs are playing so soft they are almost always open for drive-sustaining 6 and 7 yard gains. The DL has been more than fine. Aside from Warren and Pryce--who have both been beasts for the most part--I've been particularly impressed with Ekuban. He consistently brings the heat. If we want that heat to translate into sacks, Coyer and Shanny are going to have to nad up and let the rooks do what they were supposedly drafted to do: play man coverage.
It would also help our DL if the refs would throw their little hankys when blatant holding occurs.
broncohaven
10-27-2005, 07:29 AM
Pryce isn't worth what we're paying him, but he's still a guy who has to be accounted for.
This is way off base. Pryce has been the best player on the field for us since week three. He leads the league in QB pressures. My boss is a Giants fan, although not a huge football fan. His quote following the game, "I don't know who #93 is, but it looked like he was in our huddle on every play. He looked like the best defensive lineman in the league."
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 07:31 AM
This is way off base. Pryce has been the best player on the field for us since week three. He leads the league in QB pressures. My boss is a Giants fan, although not a huge football fan. His quote following the game, "I don't know who #93 is, but it looked like he was in our huddle on every play. He looked like the best defensive lineman in the league."
I agree hes a stud but he also is getting paid a ton of cash. I think that was more of the point. Does his paycheck = his play. I would say it falls short until he starts actually touching the QB.
broncohaven
10-27-2005, 07:35 AM
I agree hes a stud but he also is getting paid a ton of cash. I think that was more of the point. Does his paycheck = his play. I would say it falls short until he starts actually touching the QB.
By stud DL standards he's not at all overpaid.
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 07:37 AM
I agree hes a stud but he also is getting paid a ton of cash. I think that was more of the point. Does his paycheck = his play. I would say it falls short until he starts actually touching the QB.
But I think he's not touching the QB for schematic reasons, as I noted above. Offensive lineman are also getting away with murder holding him. He would have gotten at least 3 sacks in the KC game if not for holding (at least the refs actually decided to enforce the rule in that game).
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 07:38 AM
By stud DL standards he's not at all overpaid.
9 mill and 0 sacks is overpaid IMO
Are my stats correct here ???
PatsWin2002
10-27-2005, 07:39 AM
FYI, there's a lot more articles from today's papers from both cities about the upcoming game:
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/nfl/broncos/
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 07:40 AM
9 mill and 0 sacks is overpaid IMO
Are my stats correct here ???
Yeah, but he leads the league in QB pressures.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 07:40 AM
But I think he's not touching the QB for schematic reasons, as I noted above. Offensive lineman are also getting away with murder holding him. He would have gotten at least 3 sacks in the KC game if not for holding (at least the refs actually decided to enforce the rule in that game).
Im not arguing that hes not a force and the most important part of the Dline.
I think it says a lot about a guy when he can take a 3 million dollar pay cut and still come in and play lights out.
To say Pryce is highly over paid is just plain ridiculous
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 07:45 AM
I think it says a lot about a guy when he can take a 3 million dollar pay cut and still come in and play lights out.
To say Pryce is highly over paid is just plain ridiculous
He took a cut after it became obvious nobody wanted to pay him that much coming off serious injury.
Again Im not saying hes not a valuable piece of a Dline that Im happy with just saying hes getting his payday. I love Pryce just wonder about the pricetag.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 07:53 AM
Again Im not saying hes not a valuable piece of a Dline that Im happy with just saying hes getting his payday. I love Pryce just wonder about the pricetag.
What do you think he's worth?
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 07:55 AM
What do you think he's worth?
Hey its your payroll do what you like. ;D
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 07:58 AM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/SCKS/2005/regular
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 08:09 AM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492877
Whats this guy get paid ???
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 09:13 AM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492877
Whats this guy get paid ???
Pretty irrelevant, as he's in his second year and on his rookie contract. You should be asking what he will be paid.
How much do you think Pryce is worth?
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 09:22 AM
Id say about 6.5 mil
BMF Bronco
10-27-2005, 09:23 AM
Yeah, but he leads the league in QB pressures.
Isn't that like bragging to your boys on how many women you've dry humped?!
Eagles Turn
10-27-2005, 09:37 AM
Yeah, but he leads the league in QB pressures.
We had a guy like that too, Mike Mamula, see where that left him :welcome:
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 09:38 AM
Isn't that like bragging to your boys on how many women you've dry humped?!
LOL
Yep we cant buy a sack but we get close enough. Yes I know hurrys are huge and we are getting good pressure but am I the only one that wants to see a QB get "Pryced" or "Brownco'd"
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 09:56 AM
Isn't that like bragging to your boys on how many women you've dry humped?!
QB pressures aren't important? They force the QB to rush throws or throw the ball away all together, force them into making poor choices. It is a pretty impressive stat. If Coyer will nut up and start letting the secondary play man-to-man, the underneath stuff will not come as open...therefore the QB won't have convient dump offs, therefore Pryce and the other lineman will have a mre realistic chance at finishing those pressures with sacks.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 09:57 AM
So someone who almost sacks the QB is worth 9 mill whats someone who actually does sack the QB worth 12-18 :devil:
Smiling Assassin27
10-27-2005, 10:17 AM
what happened to chukwurah? the guy was as fast off the edge as there is on our team.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 10:26 AM
what happened to chukwurah? the guy was as fast off the edge as there is on our team.
And what about C Brown I thought he was unstopable when healthy. If they have to double Pryce then Brown should be on his way to the probowl. Ian Gold would be good on the blitz if RB's like the monster Tiki did not blow him up on a regular basis.
Jetmeck
10-27-2005, 10:36 AM
Warren is doing his job... Pryce isn't worth what we're paying him, but he's still a guy who has to be accounted for. Outside of that, there's not much reason to mention our line. I DO think we're better than last in the league in sacks, but we've got to start proving it.
-Sacks
-Passes batted down
-Stops behind the line of scrimmage
All three of those have to go up in a hurry.
One of Warren's knocks was he would take plays off. So far I haven't seen him do this, fairly consistent pressure.
I think Pryce fits that description much better, obviously game planning and talent of opposition go into this but I think the KC game proves if he WANTS it bad enough he cannot be stopped. Where has he been, not totally invisible but his number hasn't been called much lately ?
I am sure some of you will flame me for this, so be it.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 10:46 AM
Id say about 6.5 mil
How much do you think he's making this year?
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 10:57 AM
How much do you think he's making this year?
9.5 mil right ???
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 11:10 AM
9.5 mil right ???
I tihnk he was scheduled to make $9 million and cut it to $7 million.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 11:11 AM
I tihnk he was scheduled to make $9 million and cut it to $7 million.
Thats atleast better then I thought. Still 7 million and 0 sacks :nono:
ludo21
10-27-2005, 11:13 AM
Thats atleast better then I thought. Still 7 million and 0 sacks :nono:
if he got a couple holding calls he would have 5 by now, but since they arent throwing the hankies, Ol will continue to hold.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 11:17 AM
Thats atleast better then I thought. Still 7 million and 0 sacks :nono:
But if I cut $500,000 off of there you'd be satisfied?
Get over it, Trevor's playing very well.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 11:32 AM
But if I cut $500,000 off of there you'd be satisfied?
Get over it, Trevor's playing very well.
Nobody said he sucks Pat. Ill get over it when he starts producing sacks like hes paid to do.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 11:44 AM
Nobody said he sucks Pat. Ill get over it when he starts producing sacks like hes paid to do.
He's leading the league in hurries, disrupting things, making it easier for the other lineman and, by your definition, overpaid by $500,000. Cry about it.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 11:48 AM
He's leading the league in hurries, disrupting things, making it easier for the other lineman and, by your definition, overpaid by $500,000. Cry about it.
LOL getting a bit pissy there Pat Ha!
Ive not said he is not a force on the Dline that would be insane. We've got the chefs on our tail, lots of division games, few home games left and if that Dline does not start hitting the QB we will quickly be tossing the "home playoff" threads and start the "wild card chase" threads. The whole Dline is going to have to pick it up another level and Pryce is the leader and highest paid player its his duty to make things happen.
Nobody said he sucks Pat. Ill get over it when he starts producing sacks like hes paid to do.
You ever watch the Broncos play? Trevor Pryce has been blowing opposing lines up all season long. Stop being a stat jockey, watch the actual game and the pocket pressure develop. Pryce is a constant threat every passing down, the sack totals might not show it, but he's drawn more holding calls (and non-calls) than any DE I've seen play in a while.
Hell, I live in Maine, I watch the Pats pretty much every weekend. Trevor Pryce to date this year has out played Richard Seymour at any point in Seymour's career. Thats a flat out unbiased fact, he's been a monster. You stat jockies might miss that when you just look at the post game numbers, but its the truth.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 11:54 AM
Stat jockey Ha!
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 12:09 PM
LOL getting a bit pissy there Pat Ha!
Ive not said he is not a force on the Dline that would be insane. We've got the chefs on our tail, lots of division games, few home games left and if that Dline does not start hitting the QB we will quickly be tossing the "home playoff" threads and start the "wild card chase" threads. The whole Dline is going to have to pick it up another level and Pryce is the leader and highest paid player its his duty to make things happen.
I'm not getting pissy, it's just annoying listening to you scramble for reasons to bitch about Trevor being sackless. First he's not playing well enough for his contract, now he's not playing well enough to carry the team past the schedule and into the playoffs.
He's being paid almost exactly as much as you think he should be, and if Denver doesn't get it done this year the defensive line, so long as it continues to play as it has been, sure as hell won't be the cause.
Rock Chalk
10-27-2005, 12:40 PM
I blame it on ownership!
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 12:59 PM
LOL I love this thread.
Hey Pat ask Eli, Brunell, Brady how disruptive Pryce was in the 4th qtr of the last few games as they marched down the field looking (or finding) winning scores.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 01:09 PM
If you applied the unrealistic expectations you're forcing onto Trevor to yourself you probably would have committed suicide a long time ago.
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 01:09 PM
Source on the pressure stat cause I call bull**** on that.
Beside the Chiefs game which was amazing, I have not seen consistency from Pryce.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 01:11 PM
Source on the pressure stat cause I call bull**** on that.
Beside the Chiefs game which was amazing, I have not seen consistency from Pryce.
Um you cant say that here Pryce is a God and not to be talked about in a bad light. Ha!
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 01:14 PM
If you applied the unrealistic expectations you're forcing onto Trevor to yourself you probably would have committed suicide a long time ago.
I dont get paid 7 million bucks
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 01:32 PM
I dont get paid 7 million bucks
I thought you said that's about what he deserved?
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 01:38 PM
I thought you said that's about what he deserved?
Its what I deserve but thats neither here nor there.
He deserves the $ and we deserve that he earns it when the game is on the line. He has been a no show in the 4th qtr. He has a 7 million dollar contract for a reason. To make plays especially with the game on the line. As of now he aint doing that.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 01:39 PM
Get a brain, moran.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 01:42 PM
Get a brain, moran.
Hey with all I've said in this thread Pryce is a ringer for a multi sack game :yep:
Donovan2TO
10-27-2005, 01:42 PM
Get a brain, moran.
hysterical
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 01:52 PM
hysterical
Keep your eyes open and you'll understand.
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 02:01 PM
Cap value of 11-12 million next year.
Huge amount of paycheck for someone who can't even finish properly.
Pat Bowlen
10-27-2005, 02:14 PM
There's no point in really using those numbers as an argument, however, because he won't be paid that much.
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 02:16 PM
Yea that matters more because it actually affects the team cap space.
How much he gets paid in total is important to, but a lot of it is out of your bank account so it's your business unlike the cap space.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 02:18 PM
There's no point in really using those numbers as an argument, however, because he won't be paid that much.
I would hope not. Hes already making 500,000 to much ;)
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 02:22 PM
Hey Pat ask Eli, Brunell, Brady how disruptive Pryce was in the 4th qtr of the last few games as they marched down the field looking (or finding) winning scores.
In case you missed the question Pat ;D
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 02:24 PM
In case you missed the question Pat ;D
He would have been more disruptive if the refs in those various games weren't letting the opposing OL get away with murder holding.
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 02:27 PM
He would have been more disruptive if the refs in those various games weren't letting the opposing OL get away with murder holding.
What you don't think other Top DL's dont get held and saying Pryce is the only one getting held?
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 02:30 PM
If Pryce played DT, I bet he would earn that paycheck and more.
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 02:51 PM
What you don't think other Top DL's dont get held and saying Pryce is the only one getting held?
I usually don't complain about refs, because the bad calls usually balance out. But I have never seen so many blatant holds go uncalled the last three games. And while bad officiating has gone on all over the league, I have paid close attention to what's been going on in other games, and I can't say that this problem id occuring everywhere. I am not a conspiracy theorist; I do not think there is a plot against the Broncos. All I know is what my eyes see. And what they're seeing is a ridiculous amount of holding going uncalled. I don't know why it's been happening--probably just a run of really bad luck--but it is happening.
So, to answer your question: Yes, Pryce is getting held more often where it isn't being called than most other lineman.
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 03:25 PM
So, to answer your question: Yes, Pryce is getting held more often where it isn't being called than most other lineman.
Any reasonable proof?
Like the one's you ask from the Ian Bashers.
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 03:29 PM
Any reasonable proof?
Like the one's you ask from the Ian Bashers.
You're right...no proof. I just know what I've seen.
All I know is that Pryce has been pretty much a monster this season. I don't care what the stats say. He had 4 tackles and 0 sacks against KC, and that was one of the best individual DL performances I've seen in years. The sacks will come (probably in bunches), particularly if Coyer will stop playing such ridiculously soft zones.
Hey with all I've said in this thread Pryce is a ringer for a multi sack :yep:
That is Right!
I know you are a Bronco fan, and a "Big Trev" fan!:Broncos: :thumbsup:
Big Trev is gonna make some noise Sun.
ludo21
10-27-2005, 03:46 PM
Pryce is due a multi sack game, as long as him and the DL continue to blow up holes and allow the LB's play to their strength its all good.
Im glad the Eagles plan on running the ball more sunday, but after a few run stops they will probably change their game plans.
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 03:54 PM
That is Right!
I know you are a Bronco fan, and a "Big Trev" fan!:Broncos: :thumbsup:
Big Trev is gonna make some noise Sun.
Shhhheeee your gonna blow my cover ;D
Lidderer
10-27-2005, 03:55 PM
where are people getting these hurry stats and pressure numbers?
DB-Freak
10-27-2005, 03:57 PM
where are people getting these hurry stats and pressure numbers?
I am very intrigued.
I think during the games announcers gave the team pressure stats several times i think.
But I never heard of individual pressure stats.
Rohirrim
10-27-2005, 04:11 PM
IMHO, 75% (probably more) of the sacks a D gets are a combination of rush and coverage. If the Broncos secondary could lock down its coverages for at minimum, 5 seconds, the sacks would start rolling up. That would mean playing up, getting the first five yards of contact, and shutting down the lanes. It also means that your young corners could get toasted for a big play if the rush gets held up for any reason (operative word being "held").
So, where do you balance off the strengths and weaknesses? So far, Coyer sees that his young corners can tackle and his line can put on a good rush. We've seen a lot of incompletes caused by pressure, but not a lot of sacks. Should he gamble more often to get the sacks, or stick with the high number of pressure incompletes but not give up the big play?
Hotrod
10-27-2005, 04:16 PM
where are people getting these hurry stats and pressure numbers?
Im pretty sure they are pulling them out their arse Ha!
TheReverend
10-27-2005, 04:43 PM
So, to answer your question: Yes, Pryce is getting held more often where it isn't being called than most other lineman.
I rarely see a play where the offense isnt holding Gerard Warren, actually.
TheReverend
10-27-2005, 04:44 PM
where are people getting these hurry stats and pressure numbers?
They exist... but I cant find them... thats not sarcasm, hurries and knockdowns are kept track of somewhere.
BroncoInferno
10-27-2005, 04:51 PM
I rarely see a play where the offense isnt holding Gerard Warren, actually.
No doubt. Pryce is a close second. ;D
Circle Orange
10-27-2005, 06:04 PM
While it's nice that Donovan is saying good things about the defense, it's my personal hope that he and the rest of his ratbirds get run out of the stadium. Mile High is no place for "Gang-green." Pluck these turkeys and leave them skinless.
Hotrod
10-31-2005, 07:46 AM
I'll take my crow warm please :laugh:
Mediator12
10-31-2005, 07:52 AM
I'll take my crow warm please :laugh:
It always tastes better with a 6-2 record. Jake Crow tastes exceptionally good right now warm.