QBs at discount price

[TheReverend]

Well looks like this off-season teams will have a shot at getting young, talented QBs at a discount price. Harrington, Boller, Carr and Rivers will probably all end up with new teams. You can consider that AZ, Chicago, Cleveland etc all need new blood behind the wheel, but many will look to the draft to solve these problems. So with the aforementioned talent pool... who do you want?

[bendog]

Faver, but it won't happen. Carr's prolly the best of the lot. I'm not ready to concede the season, though.

cute kid, btw

[Broncos Rule]

Jake Plummer.

[TheReverend]

Jake Plummer.

Thats why it says "BACKING UP" Jake Plummer and learning the system.

[BroncoInferno]

I would love it if we could get our hands on Phillip Rivers, but there is about a zero chance that San Diego would trade him to a division rival, unless what we offered dwarfed all other offers.

[TheReverend]

If they succeed in getting their hands on Leinart, I think could Carr could be had for a 3rd.

[bronco militia]

I don't want Jake here anymore if he's going to be "hand cuffed" by the coaching staff.

[bronco militia]

and you're smoking crack if you think anyone can get Rivers on a bargain deal, plus be #2 somewhere else in this league

[ludo21]

Jake plummer, BVP as backup.....


but to answer with your options id take Rivers.

[jmz313]

I don't like any of those QBs. BUT, If Shanny was picking from those guys, I would bet he'd take Boller (puke) because he's had the influence of jim fassel.

That being said I think Carr will the only one to have NFL success down the road.

[TheReverend]

and you're smoking crack if you think anyone can get Rivers on a bargain deal, plus be #2 somewhere else in this league

Yeah, you're right. Im sure GMs around the league are absolutely salivating to pay a high first rounder, and his signing bonus for someone unproven for the last two years.

[bendog]

IF, and I really do mean IF, Jake busts and simply cannot do it from the 5 step, I wonder what Garcia's health is. Yeah, he's a noodle arm and old, but some guy like him who'd maybe be ok for a start or two along with a younger retread like Carr.

Of the list, the only guy who wasn't a one year wonder in college is Carr. He makes bad decisions and some very bad throws, but he might be salvagable.

I still think that Jake is not that far away though. This thread may be like me, premature.

ps, Rivers not a one year wonder, but SD wouldn't send him in Div.

[bronco militia]

Yeah, you're right. Im sure GMs around the league are absolutely salivating to pay a high first rounder, and his signing bonus for someone unproven for the last two years.

come on now, haven't you been paying any attention? Who has been the most mentioned QB in trade rumors since the 2004 draft?

[Pat Bowlen]

and you're smoking crack if you think anyone can get Rivers on a bargain deal, plus be #2 somewhere else in this league
Yeah, no kidding. "Discount price" must be an extremely relative term. Carr would be nice, but I don't think he's going to be a backup, especially to Plummer.

Of the other two Boller probably has more to offer at this point, but I wouldn't see either as an upgrade over Jake in anything but age at this point.

[NaptownChief]

Yeah, you're right. Im sure GMs around the league are absolutely salivating to pay a high first rounder, and his signing bonus for someone unproven for the last two years.



Well the Chargers will eat a pretty large cap hit to move him so in order to do that they will want some good compensation. They aren't going to be cutting him or giving him away. He isn't going to be a bargain.

My pick for you guys is Boller...That way you will have a back up just as crappy as your starter. ;D

[Play2win]

Who do I want the Most, Phillip Rivers and Matt Leinart...
That would be like winning Powerball...



Realistically, though, Either Carr or Harrington, I still think Harrington can get it done IN THE RIGHT SYSTEM...

[bendog]

Yeah, no kidding. "Discount price" must be an extremely relative term. Carr would be nice, but I don't think he's going to be a backup, especially to Plummer.

Of the other two Boller probably has more to offer at this point, but I wouldn't see either as an upgrade over Jake in anything but age at this point.
true. And having both would be cancer waiting to happen. The question is, if IF Jake fails, can you afford to cut him, bring in a guy like Carr AND some fallback vet like Garcia?

[Pat Bowlen]

Yeah, you're right. Im sure GMs around the league are absolutely salivating to pay a high first rounder, and his signing bonus for someone unproven for the last two years.
Teams wouldn't be paying his signing bonus if they traded for him, that's part of the appeal. And there's no way in Hell they'd trade him for a 'discount price' to somebody in their own division.

This is one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen around here in a while.

[rbackfactory80]

Teams wouldn't be paying his signing bonus if they traded for him, that's part of the appeal. And there's no way in Hell they'd trade him for a 'discount price' to somebody in their own division.

This is one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen around here in a while.


To say Pat Bowlen had it in for the reverand would be putting it lightly.

[NaptownChief]

Teams wouldn't be paying his signing bonus if they traded for him, that's part of the appeal. And there's no way in Hell they'd trade him for a 'discount price' to somebody in their own division.

This is one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen around here in a while.


Also Rivers wants to play now and is adamant about it...If he comes to Denver it sure as hell isn't to back up Plummer.

[bronco militia]

Teams wouldn't be paying his signing bonus if they traded for him, that's part of the appeal. And there's no way in Hell they'd trade him for a 'discount price' to somebody in their own division.

This is one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen around here in a while.

that wasn't my or I think his point either......IMO, Rivers is on the mind of a lot GM's out there because of the play of Brees and the constant rumors of him or Rivers getting traded. You heard it last offseason, just last week, and of course this coming offseason.

[bronco militia]

Also Rivers wants to play now and is adamant about it...If he comes to Denver it sure as hell isn't to back up Plummer.


or Backup anyone else until he gets his chance to fail like so many other great QB's in their 1st year of being a starter.

[RhymesayersDU]

P. Rivers, as stated, won't be had at any sort of discount price.

I'm personally hoping that Washington loses out and we're able to nab Leinart, or if that doesn't happen, we get Carr. I think that kid can do good things with a real line.

[bronco militia]

P. Rivers, as stated, won't be had at any sort of discount price.

I'm personally hoping that Washington loses out and we're able to nab Leinart, or if that doesn't happen, we get Carr. I think that kid can do good things with a real line.

even if the Skins lose out, the Broncos would still have to trade their two #1's to move up to the #1 spot....the Texans, 49ers, Packers and maybe Ravens are going south pretty quick.

[Broncoman13]

I voted David Carr, but I don't think he'll be available. I think whomever replaces Dom Capers places an emphasis on rebuiding the OL and sticking with a good young QB. As I've said before, I think the chances of us acquiring the Texans' top 5 pick are better than the chances of us acquiring David Carr. They'd likely rather have two first round picks to address the OL than one high priced player that only goes so far. Also consider that this draft projects to be pretty deep along the OL.

[CHANGSTER]

I'd take Carr. He fits the system the best considering they play a junior league version of our offense down there.

[TheReverend]

Teams wouldn't be paying his signing bonus if they traded for him, that's part of the appeal. And there's no way in Hell they'd trade him for a 'discount price' to somebody in their own division.

This is one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen around here in a while.

No but they can work out a deal where Rivers pays back his bonus so they DONT take a hit and work out a similar deal with a new team.

So, once again, you're an idiot. 4321~

[bloodsunday]

I'd take Carr as well. What's the hurt?

Not sure about Rivers. There are many that still think he has the tools to be a special player, but I haven't seen enough yet to know. That is a bigger risk and will require a big price tag (a #1). Not to mention, there is very little chance San Diego trades him to us.

[BroncoInferno]

No but they can work out a deal where Rivers pays back his bonus so they DONT take a hit and work out a similar deal with a new team.

So, once again, you're an idiot. 4321~

I doubt this would happen. Why would he give San Diego money back when he doesn't have to? The team trading for him gets him without having to pay a bonus, and he WILL be a great player.

[TheReverend]

I doubt this would happen. Why would he give San Diego money back? The team trading for him gets him without having to pay a bonus, and he WILL be a great player.

Because otherwise they pay the price for cutting him years to come and I dont see that happening... if he gets a new shot at starting and similar guaranteed money where everyone is happy... that I can see.

[BroncoInferno]

Because otherwise they pay the price for cutting him years to come and I dont see that happening... if he gets a new shot at starting and similar guaranteed money where everyone is happy... that I can see.

Yes, but paying them back money only benefits San Diego. What would compel him to help them out?

[Clockwork Orange]

Rivers won't even be an option because (for the 8,358,914th time) the Bolts will not trade him within the division and likely will want to send him to the NFC if at all possible.

Kyle Boller sucks out loud. Joey Harrington isn't much better. Carr looks like the best of the bunch. I think he'd do fine here with a solid running game and a decent O-line in front of him.

[ro_50]

We dont get any of those players.

[TheReverend]

Yes, but paying them back money only benefits San Diego. What would compel him to help them out?

The opportunity to leave town and play

[bloodsunday]

Carr looks like the best of the bunch. I think he'd do fine here with a solid running game and a decent O-line in front of him.
Is Carr even going to be available? That is a huge assumption. That team is in such disarray that I don't think they will blame it on one guy and cut bait. I suppose if we offered em' a steep price, like a #1.

[BroncoInferno]

The opportunity to leave town and play

There is very little chance that they won't trade him this offseason, regardless of whether or not he gives them back bonus money. They can't to have a backup QB with his salary rotting on the bench.

[NaptownChief]

The opportunity to leave town and play



True but that doesn't fall in line with the original question about bringing in a back up.

[BroncoInferno]

I doubt the Texans will give up on Carr. i think they realize there is not a whole lot he can do behind that line. More than likely, they will keep Carr and try to upgrade the line by drafting someone like D'Brickashaw Ferguson and signing someone like Matt Lepsis (if we aren't able to work out a contract).

[Pat Bowlen]

No but they can work out a deal where Rivers pays back his bonus so they DONT take a hit and work out a similar deal with a new team.

So, once again, you're an idiot. 4321~
This post made me laugh.

[OrangeShadow]

of those guys?

carr

[Clockwork Orange]

Is Carr even going to be available?

Probably not, but I figured this entire discussion was based on the hypothetical scenario that all of these QB's will be available in the offseason.

[DarkHorse]

Bernie Kosar or Phillip Rivers?

One and the same

[TheReverend]

This post made me laugh.

Good. You have over 1500 posts that make me laugh... and not because you're funny.

[TheReverend]

There is very little chance that they won't trade him this offseason, regardless of whether or not he gives them back bonus money. They can't to have a backup QB with his salary rotting on the bench.

Cap wise, guaranteed money is much more important than salary.

[TheReverend]

True but that doesn't fall in line with the original question about bringing in a back up.

Just throwing options out there.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

No but they can work out a deal where Rivers pays back his bonus so they DONT take a hit and work out a similar deal with a new team.
4321~

I don't think he can repay his bonus and reduce the cap hit. Where's Herc the cap expert?

[Play2win]

Bernie Kosar or Phillip Rivers?

One and the same
I don't see any similarity, other than the oft publicized "hitch" in his (Rivers) delivery.

This guy is 6-5 and a big boy, with a strong arm and Exceptional accuracy. He is a playmaker and winner. He is not a System-QB, he's good enough to define the system. Whoever gets him, if they are smart, they will build their system around his talents. He is going to be a very good pro, of course, depending on where he goes. In the end, I believe he will be the kind of guy that can TAKE OVER a football game.

[BroncoInferno]

Cap wise, guaranteed money is much more important than salary.

I know. That is why Rivers contract has them over the barrell. They can't afford to not trade him. He doesn't have to give them back a dime.
Besides, the fact the the trading partner will not have to pay any kind of a bonus makes his value even greater in terms of what the Chargers can get in a trade.

[bronco militia]

Bernie Kosar or Phillip Rivers?

One and the same

yeah right...they both might have weird deliveries, but Bernie Kosar would have killed for an arm like Rivers.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I don't see any similarity, other than the oft publicized "hitch" in his (Rivers) delivery.

This guy is 6-5 and a big boy, with a strong arm and Exceptional accuracy. He is a playmaker and winner. He is not a System-QB, he's good enough to define the system. Whoever gets him, if they are smart, they will build their system around his talents. He is going to be a very good pro, of course, depending on where he goes. In the end, I believe he will be the kind of guy that can TAKE OVER a football game.

I believe he has the ability to develop into that kind of player. I'm betting he ends up in Detroit.

[rotovet]

I think there is a very good chance Carr will be available considering how horrid the Texans are and the likelyhood that they will have the first pick. IMO it's more likely to happen then not given how the Texans are playing and remembering that Leinart will either be the first or second pick beside his current teammate Bush.

[BroncoInferno]

I don't think he can repay his bonus and reduce the cap hit. Where's Herc the cap expert?

Yeah, I didn't even think about that. I don't think he can give back his bonus money even if he wants to per NFLPA rules. The only way San Diego could recoup any of the bonus would be for him to violate the terms of the contract al la Kellen Winslow and Ricky Williams.

[bloodsunday]

Probably not, but I figured this entire discussion was based on the hypothetical scenario that all of these QB's will be available in the offseason.
Fair enough, I guess if I am going to respond I should "play along". I hate when people take a hypothetical thread like this and get all reality with it, then I went and did the same thing.

[BroncoInferno]

Bernie Kosar or Phillip Rivers?

One and the same

Hell, Bernie was a pretty damn good QB in his day. His lack of athleticism hurt him later in his career, though. Rivers can move much better than Bernie could. There really isn't much of comparison here other than similar deliveries and similar competitive spirits.

[bloodsunday]

Hell, Bernie was a pretty damn good QB in his day. His lack of athleticism hurt him later in his career, though. Rivers can move much better than Bernie could. There really isn't much of comparison here other than similar deliveries and similar competitive spirits.
I don't know a whole lot about Rivers... but the things I have heard include the fact that he has looked pretty bad in Charger's camp. That may not really mean much, but that's what I heard. I think he is a big, big gamble because he has a HUGE contract and would take a ton of resources (at least a #1) to get him.

But since I have been advocating it... If Shanny felt Rivers was his guy, I'd support the move.

[rotovet]

As for Rivers, why doesn't anyone ever mention that the first game of the 2006 season will mark the first regular season contest that Rivers starts in like 30 months. Considering he's the main backup he doesn't even run the scout team. This to me seems like it should be an issue. I'm not saying that he will never be a great QB, but next season I bet he struggles. He will start for someone next season, but it won't be the Broncos. Someone will probably pay big for him considering how many teams need a QB. Cardinals, Texans, Lions, Dolphins, Jets, Ravens, Browns ans maybe Dallas.

[BroncoInferno]

I don't know a whole lot about Rivers... but the things I have heard include the fact that he has looked pretty bad in Charger's camp. That may not really mean much, but that's what I heard. I think he is a big, big gamble because he has a HUGE contract and would take a ton of resources (at least a #1) to get him.

But since I have been advocating it... If Shanny felt Rivers was his guy, I'd support the move.

That's just it though...the contract would NOT be that huge because you wouldn't have to pay him a bonus.

[bloodsunday]

That's just it though...the contract would NOT be that huge because you wouldn't have to pay him a bonus. San Diego has eaten the bonus. I am sure the contract (the annual salary portion) escelates as the years go by and would not be surprised if it reached the $7 million range toward the end.

It's a 6 year, $41 million dollar deal with $14.25 million in the form of bonus. So the final $27 million is spread over 6 years.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1866077

[DrFate]

I think Carr could be a very good NFL QB.

Don't care for the others

[TheReverend]

I know. That is why Rivers contract has them over the barrell. They can't afford to not trade him. He doesn't have to give them back a dime.
Besides, the fact the the trading partner will not have to pay any kind of a bonus makes his value even greater in terms of what the Chargers can get in a trade.

If he doesnt give them back a dime then what good is trading him? Theyll still have to pay millions for him to play for another team.

[TheReverend]

Yeah, I didn't even think about that. I don't think he can give back his bonus money even if he wants to per NFLPA rules. The only way San Diego could recoup any of the bonus would be for him to violate the terms of the contract al la Kellen Winslow and Ricky Williams.


Trevor Pryce 2005

[Pat Bowlen]

If he doesnt give them back a dime then what good is trading him? Theyll still have to pay millions for him to play for another team.
If Brees is starting, then what good is paying him millions?

[Pat Bowlen]

Trevor Pryce 2005
Trevor reduced his base salary.

[ncjmirabile]

I don't know if this is correct, but isn't Carr an URFA this year.

[TheReverend]

Trevor reduced his base salary.

I think you should double check that.

[bloodsunday]

I don't know if this is correct, but isn't Carr an URFA this year.
I doubt it, usually it takes more than 3 years of services before you can be unrestricted. He might a RFA. It would still cost a #1 to sign him.

[Pat Bowlen]

I think you should double check that.
Ok.

http://broncos.mostvaluablenetwork.com/?m=200504
Pryce agreed to a pay cut of roughly $2 million, and saved the Broncos more than $3 million against this year’s salary cap.
http://boards.giants.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t41340.html
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports Denver Broncos DE Trevor Pryce has accepted a pay cut in the $2 million range to stay with the team. Pryce, who was on the trading block, was told his $9.16 million salary cap charge for 2005 was too high and he needed to be moved to another team. However, his patience in handling the situation and desire to stay with the team kept him with the Broncos.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9677828/
Pryce and Denver agreed to a restructuring of the seven-year, $60 million contract he signed in 2001. It saved the Broncos about $3 million in salary-cap space.

Pryce said the pay cut didn't come as an insult to him. He had already received an $11 million signing bonus as part of the original deal.

I mean, I know I'm just the guy who signs the checks, and most of the time when Mike starts talking numbers I just smile and nod, but I was under the impression that we cut the guy's salary.

[BroncoInferno]

Yep. Pryce agreed to cut his base salary. Guarenteed money is guarenteed. You can't get that back unless the player violates his contract in some way.

[Old Dude]

I don't see the Chargers sending Rivers to another team in the division.

I think Carr has some potential. Hard to say since he's never had an offensive line in front of him.

Of course, they said the same thing about Jake, and he plays pretty much the same whether he's got time in the pocket or not, so who knows?

[Northman]

Carr by a mile.

[TheReverend]

Ok.





I mean, I know I'm just the guy who signs the checks, and most of the time when Mike starts talking numbers I just smile and nod, but I was under the impression that we cut the guy's salary.

Nothing there says it was out of base salary and not SB

[elsid13]

Voted Carr, but he will stay in TX. Boller will remain with the Ravens, he was playing pretty well before he got hurt. Rivers will stay with SD or be traded outside the AFC west. That leave Harrington who will end in MA.

[BroncoInferno]

Nothing there says it was out of base salary and not SB

Dude, it was his base salary. It's a fact.

[TheReverend]

Dude, it was his base salary. It's a fact.

Thats fine. Was really thinking it was a cap thing, but must be wrong. Regardless, its a poll on a message board, just vote for the options.

[BroncoInferno]

Thats fine. Was really thinking it was a cap thing, but must be wrong. Regardless, its a poll on a message board, just vote for the options.

Yeah, it's a pointless argument anyway. San Diego will never trade him to a division rival and, hell, you know Marty would never let it happen. He hates Denver.

[RhymesayersDU]

even if the Skins lose out, the Broncos would still have to trade their two #1's to move up to the #1 spot....the Texans, 49ers, Packers and maybe Ravens are going south pretty quick.
I'd be fine with that, as long as we draft Leinart.

[Sodak]

None of the above. Carr is the only realistic option IMHO.

I'd rather take my chances with Van Pelt.

[maven]

I'll take none of them, therefor I will not vote.

[baja]

It may turn out BVP ia Elway without the chrome.

[DB-Freak]

It may turn out BVP ia Elway without the chrome.
and the horse power...............

[24champ]

I would say BVP is the best option, for two reasons. One he is cheaper and two we saw him grow alot in the pre-season and he some good games and he fits the offense well. Carr is the second best option but we have no idea how good he is in the NFL with that crappy line he has.

[DBroncos4life]

Drew Henson 6'4" 230 pounds. Solid player but he wasn't one of Bill's boys so he had ZERO chance in big D. Had he went to the NFL right away he would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. Then there is Ramsey, like Henson he wasn't hand picked by Gibbs so he didn't have a real shot. Those would be two that wouldn't mind seeing in Denver.

[ScottXray]

I would pick Carr out of that group, but that group is not one I'd like to see.
Rivers wants to start and would cost too much. He also has NO NFL regular season experience.
Boller doesn't impress me, but I haven't studied him.
Harrington should play piano and leave Football to others. Great college QB who is A BUST. Both he and Carr may be damaged goods now.

i think I'd take this years Jake over any of them.

[Rock Chalk]

Get Carr in Denver and we would tear **** up and people would be proclaiming Carr as the next Golden Child. Is mobile, is tough (record setting sacks and ****), has a good arm and is pretty accurate from the pocket and out of the pocket (not as good as jake out of the pocket, but serviceable).

Harrington, no. Boller? No. Maybe Rivers, but there is no telling if he would do well anywhere, much less in Denver.

[SNR_Chief]

If David Carr ever became your starting QB it would be the Brian Griese Experiment Part Deux

[Wes Mantooth]

Looks as though there are 4 pac 10 fans as of right now.

[Wes Mantooth]

How the heck do we get lienert? Redskins pick isn't going to get it.

[rotovet]

other QB's who may be available are: Ramsey, C Pennington, McCowen, K Warner, T Rattay, M McMahon, Feeley, Fiedler, Kitna, Simms, K Dorsey. Add Boller and Harrington and i would say one of these guys ends up in camp with the Broncs next season.

[yavoon]

sometimes u get what u pay for.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

other QB's who may be available are: Ramsey, C Pennington, McCowen, K Warner, T Rattay, M McMahon, Feeley, Fiedler, Kitna, Simms, K Dorsey. Add Boller and Harrington and i would say one of these guys ends up in camp with the Broncs next season.

Could be. I bet that list strikes fear in the hearts of Bob and the other squaw fans.

And the list of legitimate senior QBs in the 2006 draft is: Leinart.

Get used to it guys - Jake is the man for at least two more years.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Carr has the mobility to run this offense. A year under Jake will do him some good,IMO. Maybe Harrington, although he looks soft to me.

[Play2win]

We need to get some serious O-Line, so we have serious Strength, Power and Size upfront. That way we can change "This Offense". While still having a strong power running game, we can win the battles upfront, and not have to rely on an overly athletic, less skilled QB. We can actually go out and get a skilled passer to play the position.

[Atlas]

I picked Carr because no way the Chuggars will trade River to us. I hope it was Chef fan that voted for Boller. I can't believe any Bronco fan would be that stupid.

[Sodak]

I picked Carr because no way the Chuggars will trade River to us. I hope it was Chef fan that voted for Boller. I can't believe any Bronco fan would be that stupid.

Oooh, oooh, Boller can throw the ball 65 yards on his knees according to some pre-draft hype. That, and $.69 will get you a cup of coffee...

[maven]

Leinart 2006

[Old Dude]

What the heck ever happened to Harrington, anyway? He looked great when he came out of the PAC 10.

[Dean]

It may turn out BVP ia Elway without the chrome.


BVP is Elway without the chrome, the arm, the leadership, and the ability to read defenses. Hell, if it were pitch black out you couldn't tell them apart.

I hope for your sake that you are not being serious. A person that out of touch with reality is clinically intoxicated.

[RhymesayersDU]

rofl rofl rofl

[TheReverend]

Ive noticed since "Pat Bowlen" left this has turned into a good thread.

Things to discuss... are these QBs "mediocre" talent, or it has it been a mediocre gameplan and being surrounded by mediocre players that have caused their downfall? Please answer this question QB by QB

[Pat Bowlen]

Ive noticed since "Pat Bowlen" left this has turned into a good thread.
To use your words, "I think you should double check that." You left this thread when I did, right after you got called out for being clueless.

It's hilarious at how little you knew about the unlikely situation you created a thread to discuss, yet still strutted around as arrogant as always. I almost felt embarrassed for you.

[Atlas]

What the heck ever happened to Harrington, anyway? He looked great when he came out of the PAC 10.

I haven't given up on Harrington yet.... He could still turn it around. How long did it take Young or Testeverde?

[Ratboy]

David Carr over Philip Rivers?

Explain this to me. (besides Rivers being unproven)

[watermock]

Lets see if BVP makes another step this next offseason...

[TheReverend]

To use your words, "I think you should double check that." You left this thread when I did, right after you got called out for being clueless.

It's hilarious at how little you knew about the unlikely situation you created a thread to discuss, yet still strutted around as arrogant as always. I almost felt embarrassed for you.

It's funny how the key to a good discussion is completely ignoring you.

[baja]

Oooh, oooh, Boller can throw the ball 65 yards on his knees according to some pre-draft hype. That, and $.69 will get you a cup of coffee...

Where the hell do you get a .69 cup of coffee I can't even do that in Mexico
:~ohyah!:

[Ratboy]

Breaking News

Jake Plummer goes down for the season, Back up Bradlee Van Pelt takes Broncos to a Superbowl win.

[Pat Bowlen]

It's funny how the key to a good discussion is completely ignoring you.
The key to good discussion is either knowing what you're talking about or showing a desire to learn. You've displayed neither of these things in this thread.

[broncohaven]

If they succeed in getting their hands on Leinart, I think could Carr could be had for a 3rd.If the Texans get their hands on Leinart they'll be the worst team in football for at least 5 more years.

Although I think whoever gets their hands on Leinart will be pretty bad while he's on the roster.

[Pat Bowlen]

If the Texans get their hands on Leinart they'll be the worst team in football for at least 5 more years.

Although I think whoever gets their hands on Leinart will be pretty bad while he's on the roster.
Why?

[broncohaven]

Leinart is the most overrated player in the last decade.

[Pat Bowlen]

Leinart is the most overrated player in the last decade.
I'd probably disagree with you if your argument wasn't so strong.

[broncohaven]

Unathletic, immobile, average arm, not a genius. Plays for a team that should win by 30 every time out. Leinart will be exposed in the Rose Bowl. That's if his performance against ND didn't show you enough.

[Play2win]

Leinart is the going to be the best player taken in next year's Draft.

Quoted for truth.

[Pat Bowlen]

Quoted for truth.
Oh snap!

[Taco John]

Unathletic, immobile, average arm, not a genius. Plays for a team that should win by 30 every time out. Leinart will be exposed in the Rose Bowl. That's if his performance against ND didn't show you enough.



HIs performance at Notre Dame only showed me what a winner he is. Even when he's not having his best game, he guts it out and finds a way to win. Hell, they'd have lost the game if he didn't fumble the ball out of bounds. Think about that... Even his screw-ups turn into gold. The dude is charmed.

[Sodak]

Where the hell do you get a .69 cup of coffee I can't even do that in Mexico
:~ohyah!:

Ha! Throwing the ball 65 yards AND $.69 will get you a cup of coffee. South Dakota prices are cheaper than Mexico.

[Tombstone RJ]

I voted David Carr, but I don't think he'll be available. I think whomever replaces Dom Capers places an emphasis on rebuiding the OL and sticking with a good young QB. As I've said before, I think the chances of us acquiring the Texans' top 5 pick are better than the chances of us acquiring David Carr. They'd likely rather have two first round picks to address the OL than one high priced player that only goes so far. Also consider that this draft projects to be pretty deep along the OL.

Interesting...

[broncohaven]

Quoted for truth.
I know for damn sure I never said anything resembling that comment.

[broncohaven]

HIs performance at Notre Dame only showed me what a winner he is. Even when he's not having his best game, he guts it out and finds a way to win. Hell, they'd have lost the game if he didn't fumble the ball out of bounds. Think about that... Even his screw-ups turn into gold. The dude is charmed.
So was Geno Toretta (SP?) until he left UM.