Why there won't be a swoon.

[DomCasual]

One more silver lining tidbit:

Think about the swoons everyone keeps talking about. The one common with both years was a negative turnover ratio number. Both years, in going 5-1, we had been defying the odds with our turnover situation. As the season progressed, it ultimately caught up with us, and we lost games. For the season, our 2003 turnover number was minus 4. For 2004, it was minus 9. So far in 2005, it is plus 7.

Those numbers make it far easier to look at what happened at the end of the Giants game as more of an anomaly. I wish it hadn't happened, but if we stay on top of the turnover thing, we aren't going to see the same late season tank we have seen the last two years.

[ZachKC]

It will be interesting to see if you can get your running game established.

[ludo21]

One more silver lining tidbit:

Think about the swoons everyone keeps talking about. The one common with both years was a negative turnover ratio number. Both years, in going 5-1, we had been defying the odds with our turnover situation. As the season progressed, it ultimately caught up with us, and we lost games. For the season, our 2003 turnover number was minus 4. For 2004, it was minus 9. So far in 2005, it is plus 7.

Those numbers make it far easier to look at what happened at the end of the Giants game as more of an anomaly. I wish it hadn't happened, but if we stay on top of the turnover thing, we aren't going to see the same late season tank we have seen the last two years.


you should have just added this to the other thread. :hitself:


I agree tho, TO ratio is huge and we are doing very well! If the ref job is poor next week we will get a couple sacks and maybe another int.

[24champ]

finally a positive post.

[24champ]

It will be interesting to see if you can get your running game established.
Itll be interesting to watch LT run amock on the queefs.

[Clockwork Orange]

It will be interesting to see if you can get your running game established.

No kidding. Any defense that holds Tomlinson to 7 yards on 17 carries is a cause for serious concern.

[RhymesayersDU]

However, somebody might counter this thought with that fact that we're defying odds with our crappy 3rd down percentage.

[ZachKC]

Itll be interesting to watch LT run amock on the queefs.
As far as LT goes...the Chiefs have not done to bad against him.

It wasn't to long ago we held him to 25 yards rushing. You were prob to busy getting thrown out of some white trash joint like Fridays to see any of that.

[DomCasual]

you should have just added this to the other thread. :hitself:


I agree tho, TO ratio is huge and we are doing very well! If the ref job is poor next week we will get a couple sacks and maybe another int.
I would have, but it was a different subject than the original post in that thread, and I figured it could be justified as a way to tilt the negative/positive thread ratio.

Because, you know, I am all about spreading sunshine.

[RhymesayersDU]

As far as LT goes...the Chiefs have not done to bad against him.

It wasn't to long ago we held him to 25 yards rushing. You were prob to busy getting thrown out of some white trash joint like Fridays to see any of that.

Ba-Zing!

[24champ]

No kidding. Any defense that holds Tomlinson to 7 yards on 17 carries is a cause for serious concern.
Chargers o-line was banged up, i remember the cowboys running all over them...but it was impressive stopping LT I must say.

[ZachKC]

No kidding. Any defense that holds Tomlinson to 7 yards on 17 carries is a cause for serious concern.
It was really impressive.

Hopefully I can see some of this game. Its going to be a good one. If you guys can't establish the run though...its going to be tough for you even at home.

Two very good run defenses...if the run is taken out of both teams arsenal I think the Eagles are better suited to still have sucess getting in the endzone. If they turn the ball over though...they are done for. They don't have room for mistaktes.

The key for you guys...and I have to admit...i am suprised it has not come up more is turning trips to the red zone when you get FGs to trips to the redzone when you get TDs. It seems like you guys are right there on the door step alot only to settle for 3. If that improves this Denver team has a lot less worries.

[ZachKC]

I would have, but it was a different subject than the original post in that thread, and I figured it could be justified as a way to tilt the negative/positive thread ratio.

Because, you know, I am all about spreading sunshine.
http://www2.cambridge.ma-usa.sugarmegs.org/graphics/sunshine-orange.gif

[ludo21]

I would have, but it was a different subject than the original post in that thread, and I figured it could be justified as a way to tilt the negative/positive thread ratio.

Because, you know, I am all about spreading sunshine.

:) ahhhh the sunshine, so were what? 55/2 ratio now. zowie!

Teams match up differently, the Eagles matched up well against the Chargers becuase all they had to do was hit the hole and their was LT, but with the broncos system, their are a few holes to choose from and if the back has the vision he can tell which one the LB will hit and then he chooses another one.
In saying that its still going to be a tough task to hit 100 yards, but i think the Bell/Ma combo will hit that mark.

[DomCasual]

However, somebody might counter this thought with that fact that we're defying odds with our crappy 3rd down percentage.
You're a glass is half-empty kind of guy, aren't you. Bastard. :boxing:

Why'd you take down your House that Melo built avatar, by the way?

[Elway 4 Life]

No kidding. Any defense that holds Tomlinson to 7 yards on 17 carries is a cause for serious concern.

The eagles defense is weak in stats...they are giving up approx 330 yards a game, 101 are rushing yards. When you have the DB's the eagles have it takes pressure away and you can man up and stack the line to stop LT. They did a good job and still almost lost at home. I really like our chances at home.

[RhymesayersDU]

You're a glass is half-empty kind of guy, aren't you. Bastard. :boxing:

Why'd you take down your House that Melo built avatar, by the way?
I'm just saying, there are some other issues going on. But I love our TO Ratio.

And I didn't take it down on purpose. Taco said that we'd have to re-load our avatars with the new board stuff, and I tried to do that, and now I have no avatar. I shouldn't have messed with it.

[Clockwork Orange]

It was really impressive.

Hopefully I can see some of this game. Its going to be a good one. If you guys can't establish the run though...its going to be tough for you even at home.

Two very good run defenses...if the run is taken out of both teams arsenal I think the Eagles are better suited to still have sucess getting in the endzone. If they turn the ball over though...they are done for. They don't have room for mistaktes.

The key for you guys...and I have to admit...i am suprised it has not come up more is turning trips to the red zone when you get FGs to trips to the redzone when you get TDs. It seems like you guys are right there on the door step alot only to settle for 3. If that improves this Denver team has a lot less worries.

It was impressive. The best back in the league was rendered a complete non-factor. Banged up O-line or not, shutting Tomlinson down is no small feat.

If both run games are shut down the Eagles will win this game going away. I'm expecting that McNabb will throw the ball 50+ times during the game, if the Broncos have to follow suit they're likely screwed. I like Jake and all, but the less he has to throw it, the better off we are. McNabb is an elite QB and has a nearly unstoppable receiver to look for. Jake isn't and the Broncos don't. They simply have to have the running game going to win this game.

[DomCasual]

I'm just saying, there are some other issues going on. But I love our TO Ratio.

And I didn't take it down on purpose. Taco said that we'd have to re-load our avatars with the new board stuff, and I tried to do that, and now I have no avatar. I shouldn't have messed with it.
Well, figure it out, man! It's been a long time since I felt real pride in being a Nuggets fan. We need all the karma we can get!

What's your prediction - how many wins in '05-'06?

[RhymesayersDU]

It was impressive. The best back in the league was rendered a complete non-factor. Banged up O-line or not, shutting Tomlinson down is no small feat.

If both run games are shut down the Eagles will win this game going away. I'm expecting that McNabb will throw the ball 50+ times during the game, if the Broncos have to follow suit they're likely screwed. I like Jake and all, but the less he has to throw it, the better off we are. McNabb is an elite QB and has a nearly unstoppable receiver to look for. Jake isn't and the Broncos don't. They simply have to have the running game going to win this game.
Unstoppable Receiver?

TO, this is Champ. You end where Champ begins.

Or something to that effect.

:)

[RhymesayersDU]

Well, figure it out, man! It's been a long time since I felt real pride in being a Nuggets fan. We need all the karma we can get!

What's your prediction - how many wins in '05-'06?
Dude I'm trying. That damn "unable to copy/move file" error message is now the bane of my existence.

And I started a prediction thread for the boys in Powder Blue in the Other Sports section, go check it out!

(I predicted 55 wins, btw)

[ZachKC]

It was impressive. The best back in the league was rendered a complete non-factor. Banged up O-line or not, shutting Tomlinson down is no small feat.

If both run games are shut down the Eagles will win this game going away. I'm expecting that McNabb will throw the ball 50+ times during the game, if the Broncos have to follow suit they're likely screwed. I like Jake and all, but the less he has to throw it, the better off we are. McNabb is an elite QB and has a nearly unstoppable receiver to look for. Jake isn't and the Broncos don't. They simply have to have the running game going to win this game.
I doubt they stop your running game LT style but...this isn't going to be one of those huge chunks of yardage games that lets Jake do whatever he wants. Points will be a struggle. The thing with McNabb is you can rough him up and he will get up and keep it coming all game. If the Eagles don't get stupid and turn the ball over I think they win this. But if they make it easy for you guys in any way then the Broncos get a W at home.

[ZachKC]

Unstoppable Receiver?

TO, this is Champ. You end where Champ begins.

Or something to that effect.

:)
You are a cunning linguist. 8')

[24champ]

As far as LT goes...the Chiefs have not done to bad against him.

It wasn't to long ago we held him to 25 yards rushing. You were prob to busy getting thrown out of some white trash joint like Fridays to see any of that.
well you know all about white trash joints since you probably live in a trailer park, but how many times did you beat the chargers last year hmmmm?

recap...

Brees was 28-for-37 for 378 yards and two touchdowns for the first meeting last year and whats more pathetic is that the benchwarmers for the chargers beat you in the Jan. 2 game....so far it looks like the chargers own you guys.


Gonzalez said he had mixed emotions.
"It's just hard to swallow, knowing we can't even beat their second team," he said.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20050102_KC@SD

[dlow187]

One more silver lining tidbit:

Think about the swoons everyone keeps talking about. The one common with both years was a negative turnover ratio number. Both years, in going 5-1, we had been defying the odds with our turnover situation. As the season progressed, it ultimately caught up with us, and we lost games. For the season, our 2003 turnover number was minus 4. For 2004, it was minus 9. So far in 2005, it is plus 7.

Those numbers make it far easier to look at what happened at the end of the Giants game as more of an anomaly. I wish it hadn't happened, but if we stay on top of the turnover thing, we aren't going to see the same late season tank we have seen the last two years.


Completely agree.
The only reason reason why I was mad, and why everyone else around here is mad is because we should've won that game

[ZachKC]

well you know all about white trash joints since you probably live in a trailer park, but how many times did you beat the chargers last year hmmmm?

recap...

Brees was 28-for-37 for 378 yards and two touchdowns for the first meeting last year and whats more pathetic is that the benchwarmers for the chargers beat you in the Jan. 2 game....so far it looks like the chargers own you guys.
I live in Springfield, MO downtown...its a pretty fun place. Halloween Pub Crawl is coming up. Can't ****ing wait.

Aside from that...

If you are going into the past get our records in the last 5 years and see how much the Chargers own us.

I will let you do it since you seem very hung up on last year. I hope for the sake of both our teams things have changed from last year.

Print out those stats and go to Denny's then get thrown out. Itd be par for the course.

[RhymesayersDU]

You are a cunning linguist. 8')
That's what she said.

[ZachKC]

That's what she said.
BAH DUM BAH!

http://beltlinebigband.com/images/rimshot.jpg

[RhymesayersDU]

I live in Springfield, MO downtown...its a pretty fun place. Halloween Pub Crawl is coming up. Can't ****ing wait.

Aside from that...

If you are going into the past get our records in the last 5 years and see how much the Chargers own us.

I will let you do it since you seem very hung up on last year. I hope for the sake of both our teams things have changed from last year.

Print out those stats and go to Denny's then get thrown out. Itd be par for the course.
Nice @ Halloween Pub Crawl.

All I remember from last Halloween is that I was cold as ****, because I went as Carmelo Anthony and only had a basketball jersey and shorts on, and drinking a whole lot.

Yay for not going to Tuesday classes next week.

[24champ]

I live in Springfield, MO downtown...its a pretty fun place. Halloween Pub Crawl is coming up. Can't ****ing wait.

Aside from that...

If you are going into the past get our records in the last 5 years and see how much the Chargers own us.

I will let you do it since you seem very hung up on last year. I hope for the sake of both our teams things have changed from last year.

Print out those stats and go to Denny's then get thrown out. Itd be par for the course.

hey dont get your panties in a bunch miss...im just saying that the chargers have your number and look like they will beat you this year too. They are coming off a tough loss and will be hungry....I mean after all they beat you with their second string last year and this year with their improved defense this should be a cakewalk.

[RhymesayersDU]

BAH DUM BAH!

http://beltlinebigband.com/images/rimshot.jpg

I'll be here all week, don't forget to try the veal, and tip your waitress.

[ZachKC]

Nice @ Halloween Pub Crawl.

All I remember from last Halloween is that I was cold as ****, because I went as Carmelo Anthony and only had a basketball jersey and shorts on, and drinking a whole lot.

Yay for not going to Tuesday classes next week.
Ha me and a buddy went as the Guiness "Brilliant!" guys. It was pretty funy.

All Halloween is...

An excuse for girls to dress up really really slutty and party.

I can live with that.

[ZachKC]

hey dont get your panties in a bunch miss...im just saying that the chargers have your number and look like they will beat you this year too. They are coming off a tough loss and will be hungry....I mean after all they beat you with their second string last year and this year with their improved defense this should be a cakewalk.
Panties in a bunch? You say they own us and all I say just look at our records in the past few years.

Besides that I don't believe in the whole "angry" thing. Would you fear Houston more because they are 0-7 and really really really angry? Or a 7-0 team.

Doesn't make much sense. San Diego could win this game or could win this game. They will not have won or lost it because they are angry from losing the week before.

[RhymesayersDU]

Ha me and a buddy went as the Guiness "Brilliant!" guys. It was pretty funy.

All Halloween is...

An excuse for girls to dress up really really slutty and party.

I can live with that.
ain't that the truth.

I love these girls going as slutty school girls, or nurses, or whatever.

Or those angel costumes which are basically just lace.

Halloween rules, hardcore. I should have thought ahead and grown a porn stache, I woulda bought a Jake jersey and gone as him.

[24champ]

Ha me and a buddy went as the Guiness "Brilliant!" guys. It was pretty funy.

All Halloween is...

An excuse for girls to dress up really really slutty and party.

I can live with that.

apparently in Springfield, MO they have lots of chicks like this....

http://www.funfry.com/data/501/1Funny-Old-Lady001-Picture-FunFry_com.jpg

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

[ZachKC]

ain't that the truth.

I love these girls going as slutty school girls, or nurses, or whatever.

Or those angel costumes which are basically just lace.

Halloween rules, hardcore. I should have thought ahead and grown a porn stache, I woulda bought a Jake jersey and gone as him.
I think I am going to go as a Cardinals player. Some kind of "choke" slam on the team. Lots of STL kids around here.

http://zachishere.com/?p=382
http://zachishere.com/?p=378

[DomCasual]

Dude I'm trying. That damn "unable to copy/move file" error message is now the bane of my existence.

And I started a prediction thread for the boys in Powder Blue in the Other Sports section, go check it out!

(I predicted 55 wins, btw)
I'll do it. I always forget those other sections are there.

[ZachKC]

apparently in Springfield, MO they have lots of chicks like this....



HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
You need some help with the humor in your posts. You just don't have it buddy. Hopefully TJ, Rhyme, Pez, SoCal...I don't know anyone can sit down with you and teach you how to be original or funny.

[RhymesayersDU]

I think I am going to go as a Cardinals player. Some kind of "choke" slam on the team. Lots of STL kids around here.

http://zachishere.com/?p=382
http://zachishere.com/?p=378

Nice.

I had a nice debate with my Cost Accounting teacher the other day, he was bashing Lelie, and I had to put an end to that.

Today we both concurred how ****ty the game was on Sunday.

[24champ]

Panties in a bunch? You say they own us and all I say just look at our records in the past few years.

Besides that I don't believe in the whole "angry" thing. Would you fear Houston more because they are 0-7 and really really really angry? Or a 7-0 team.

Doesn't make much sense. San Diego could win this game or could win this game. They will not have won or lost it because they are angry from losing the week before.
first of all thats a stupid arguement, the Texans have a crappy team and even the Chiefs could beat them. The chargers are a good team with LT and Gates and they play at home. The Chargers have more to play for than the queefs who are coming off a good win but one thing I have to wonder is if all this traveling is going to effect the chargers? The chiefs got a break with a couple extra days of rest. It will be an interesting game.

[24champ]

You need some help with the humor in your posts. You just don't have it buddy. Hopefully TJ, Rhyme, Pez, SoCal...I don't know anyone can sit down with you and teach you how to be original or funny.
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/raiders/pictures/2000/01/02/fan-bummed_chron.jpg

chief fan on sundays....

[SoCalBronco]

I dont know whether there will be a swoon or not, but I do know this past loss was pretty damn costly. Despite the official standings, in reality we are about 1 game behind the Chiefs not a half game ahead. No one can reasonably argue that the Raiders are going to beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead during our bye week and in addition its likely that we ourselves will lose at Arrowhead. At this point, we are 1 behind then. We really needed to maintain breathing room. We will be in a little better shape if the Chargers can beat them in SD this week which I think is likely despite KC having a few more days to prepare and we have to beat the Eagles which I think will happen as well. They were not impressive last week at all and we are in a situation with our backs to the wall, despite being 5-2.

[Crushaholic]

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking this, but this team seems to be more in control than in the past. They don't have a "WTF do we do" feeling to them, and that's why I don't think there will be a swoon. They will get back up and continue to have a good season...

[NFLBRONCO]

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking this, but this team seems to be more in control than in the past. They don't have a "WTF do we do" feeling to them, and that's why I don't think there will be a swoon. They will get back up and continue to have a good season...

You are crazy j/k I feel the same way that we are in more control. I too don't expect a swoon this year either. I do think it will be a dog fight the rest of the way unless we learn to seal the deal better and get more production from WR corps but, I still expect to pull out victories. I expect no worse then 6-3 the rest of the way.

[2KBack]

The key for you guys...and I have to admit...i am suprised it has not come up more is turning trips to the red zone when you get FGs to trips to the redzone when you get TDs. It seems like you guys are right there on the door step alot only to settle for 3. If that improves this Denver team has a lot less worries.

The reason it hasn't been mentioned is that in the last 3 games they've been great in the redzone.

[OrangeShadow]

even after champs pick we went 3 and out. turnovers dont help as much if you cant capitalize them

[broncohaven]

A few points I'll address since I'm jumping in late.

LT- I thought the Chargers did a terrible job of taking the pressure off LT. They didn't call a PA pass in the first quarter that I saw, when it was clear the D had one thing on their mind.

Sacks- This will be the weekend where the "sacks come in bunches". We've played Brady and Manning the last two weeks. Neither being very mobile, but they get rid of the ball very quickly, and even with that they were constantly under pressure. McNabb likes to hold the ball, and even though he has better feet, that's going to lead to sacks. This Denver d Dline has been getting pressure from everywhere, which makes it very difficult to avoid on foot.

SoCal- We're actually more like a game and a half up on the Chiefs. We already have one more win, but we are also in conrol of every tie-breaker. So the Chiefs will need to beat us and win an extra game along the way.

Etc- I think that the absence of Sam Brandon showed in this game. The "Big Nickle" has been great against teams with a TE dependancy like the Giants, and if Brandon is covering Shockey in the final minute I think Manning throws that ball away. But there were a lot of "what ifs" Sunday.

[meangene]

I dont know whether there will be a swoon or not, but I do know this past loss was pretty damn costly. Despite the official standings, in reality we are about 1 game behind the Chiefs not a half game ahead. No one can reasonably argue that the Raiders are going to beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead during our bye week and in addition its likely that we ourselves will lose at Arrowhead. At this point, we are 1 behind then. We really needed to maintain breathing room. We will be in a little better shape if the Chargers can beat them in SD this week which I think is likely despite KC having a few more days to prepare and we have to beat the Eagles which I think will happen as well. They were not impressive last week at all and we are in a situation with our backs to the wall, despite being 5-2.

I absolutely agree. Last weeks loss puts us in a must win situation this week if you look at the big picture. The Colts will have home field and everybody else is playing for second seed. If we don't win the division that can't happen AND with two losses and a tough schedule ahead we have no cushion against the other division leaders. Wins against NE and Jacksonvile might help some with seeding but if we don't end up No. 2 in the conference we are just delaying the inevitable IMO.

[yavoon]

One more silver lining tidbit:

Think about the swoons everyone keeps talking about. The one common with both years was a negative turnover ratio number. Both years, in going 5-1, we had been defying the odds with our turnover situation. As the season progressed, it ultimately caught up with us, and we lost games. For the season, our 2003 turnover number was minus 4. For 2004, it was minus 9. So far in 2005, it is plus 7.

Those numbers make it far easier to look at what happened at the end of the Giants game as more of an anomaly. I wish it hadn't happened, but if we stay on top of the turnover thing, we aren't going to see the same late season tank we have seen the last two years.

funny because many times positive turnover ratios(atleast large ones) are used to explain why teams who shouldn't be winning are(the chiefs 13-3 season), the vikings did it once like that too.

[baja]

funny because many times positive turnover ratios(atleast large ones) are used to explain why teams who shouldn't be winning are(the chiefs 13-3 season), the vikings did it once like that too.

What you say is true but I would like to ask you a guestion. Are you a Bronco fan?

[yavoon]

What you say is true but I would like to ask you a guestion. Are you a Bronco fan?

yes

[BroncoInferno]

funny because many times positive turnover ratios(atleast large ones) are used to explain why teams who shouldn't be winning are(the chiefs 13-3 season), the vikings did it once like that too.

True, but those defenses tended to give up a ton of big plays, which this defense does not. It's been playing soft zones at the end of the game that have hurt this defense. We have a solid D, we just need to get more aggressive with a lead.

[DomCasual]

funny because many times positive turnover ratios(atleast large ones) are used to explain why teams who shouldn't be winning are(the chiefs 13-3 season), the vikings did it once like that too.
I guess I don't understand your point here.

The point I made was that our positive turnover ratio, if it continues, will keep us from going into a late-season swoon, like we have the last two years.

But if I recall, you have said that you think turnovers are largely based upon luck, so I don't know how into this theory you'd be, anyway.

[Broncoman13]

You guys are welcome for the OSKIE KARMA!!!