New Season, Same Frauds

[bloodsunday]

I am now covinced, no more evidence needed, that this is our team for as long as Mike Shanahan is Head Coach and GM. I am not saying that we should fire him, I am just stating a fact. When a coach is coach long enough in this league, you begin to see their "blue print" on a team and this is it for us. Bill Cowher has teams that are known for toughness and defense. Marty Schotenheimer plays "Marty Ball". Shanny has apparently mastered the good, but not great team.

This team has displayed the same character flaws as seasons past:
1) Poor third down %, Poor redzone percentage, and is very poor when taking possession in opponents territory.

2) This team has no toughness, mostly mental. When the pressure is on the invariably fold. Some unit, some player always gets beat.

3) Lost in the fact that our team is "balanced" is the fact that we still have no dominant unit that can take over a game and win when its in the balance. Argue about whether its the offense or the defense that let us down, but the fact is neither of them got it done despite multiple opportunities. People want to beat the drum of this defense, but it is the poster child for the fraudness. They have many more draft picks and FA dollars than the O right now and they are consistently under achieving. I think the scheme is flawed and I think the players are not making plays (except for Champ).

4) No killer instinct. This team cannot put a team away.

5) The only good thing we can say, particularly about the offense, is that we are able to run the ball between the 20s.

6) The DL completely disappeared when the game was on the line.

I believe that the reasons above come down to one thing, the play of the QB. Jake played fine yesterday and has done everything we have asked him to do in terms of not making mistakes. But at the end of the day there is something special about the QB position -- especially under Shanny's "Blue Print" -- that makes the entire team better. For example, experts say that 3rd down is the QBs down. In other words, its the QBs job to get it done on that down. The play of great QBs often inspires and wills a team. This team is flat out lacking that heart. I know its unfair to compare Jake, but the bottom line is that Shanny's "Blue Print" worked with Steve Young and John Elway, but it hasn't with Griese or Plummer, at least not at an "elite" level. There is no way that a Steve Young or John Elway led team lets up in the fourth quarter (going 1 for 6 on third down after taking a 10 pt lead) the way that it did yesterday.

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10. They are the same team from the past 6 seasons. Nothing about this team will change under the current regime unless they are able to find a franchise QB. That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.

[BigRedChief]

I am now covinced, no more evidence needed, that this is our team for as long as Mike Shanahan is Head Coach and GM. I am not saying that we should fire him, I am just stating a fact. When a coach is coach long enough in this league, you begin to see their "blue print" on a team and this is it for us. Bill Cowher has teams that are known for toughness and defense. Marty Schotenheimer plays "Marty Ball". Shanny has apparently mastered the good, but not great team.

This team has displayed the same character flaws as seasons past:
1) Poor third down %, Poor redzone percentage, and is very poor when taking possession in opponents territory.

2) This team has no toughness, mostly mental. When the pressure is on the invariably fold. Some unit, some player always gets beat.

3) Lost in the fact that our team is "balanced" is the fact that we still have no dominant unit that can take over a game and win when its in the balance. Argue about whether its the offense or the defense that let us down, but the fact is neither of them got it done despite multiple opportunities. People want to beat the drum of this defense, but it is the poster child for the fraudness. They have many more draft picks and FA dollars than the O right now and they are consistently under achieving. I think the scheme is flawed and I think the players are not making plays (except for Champ).

4) No killer instinct. This team cannot put a team away.

5) The only good thing we can say, particularly about the offense, is that we are able to run the ball between the 20s.

6) The DL completely disappeared when the game was on the line.

I believe that the reasons above come down to one thing, the play of the QB. Jake played fine yesterday and has done everything we have asked him to do in terms of not making mistakes. But at the end of the day there is something special about the QB position -- especially under Shanny's "Blue Print" -- that makes the entire team better. For example, experts say that 3rd down is the QBs down. In other words, its the QBs job to get it done on that down. The play of great QBs often inspires and wills a team. This team is flat out lacking that heart. I know its unfair to compare Jake, but the bottom line is that Shanny's "Blue Print" worked with Steve Young and John Elway, but it hasn't with Griese or Plummer, at least not at an "elite" level. There is no way that a Steve Young or John Elway led team lets up in the fourth quarter (going 1 for 6 on third down after taking a 10 pt lead) the way that it did yesterday.

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10. They are the same team from the past 6 seasons. Nothing about this team will change under the current regime unless they are able to find a franchise QB. That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.

Damn dude last time I checked you were still in first place. :nono:

[bloodsunday]

Damn dude last time I checked you were still in first place. :nono:
Yeah well that has been true for 3 straight years. You are ignoring history if you think that its going to last.

[Ray Finkle]

I am now covinced, no more evidence needed, that this is our team for as long as Mike Shanahan is Head Coach and GM. I am not saying that we should fire him, I am just stating a fact. When a coach is coach long enough in this league, you begin to see their "blue print" on a team and this is it for us. Bill Cowher has teams that are known for toughness and defense. Marty Schotenheimer plays "Marty Ball". Shanny has apparently mastered the good, but not great team.

This team has displayed the same character flaws as seasons past:
1) Poor third down %, Poor redzone percentage, and is very poor when taking possession in opponents territory.

2) This team has no toughness, mostly mental. When the pressure is on the invariably fold. Some unit, some player always gets beat.

3) Lost in the fact that our team is "balanced" is the fact that we still have no dominant unit that can take over a game and win when its in the balance. Argue about whether its the offense or the defense that let us down, but the fact is neither of them got it done despite multiple opportunities. People want to beat the drum of this defense, but it is the poster child for the fraudness. They have many more draft picks and FA dollars than the O right now and they are consistently under achieving. I think the scheme is flawed and I think the players are not making plays (except for Champ).

4) No killer instinct. This team cannot put a team away.

5) The only good thing we can say, particularly about the offense, is that we are able to run the ball between the 20s.

6) The DL completely disappeared when the game was on the line.

I believe that the reasons above come down to one thing, the play of the QB. Jake played fine yesterday and has done everything we have asked him to do in terms of not making mistakes. But at the end of the day there is something special about the QB position -- especially under Shanny's "Blue Print" -- that makes the entire team better. For example, experts say that 3rd down is the QBs down. In other words, its the QBs job to get it done on that down. The play of great QBs often inspires and wills a team. This team is flat out lacking that heart. I know its unfair to compare Jake, but the bottom line is that Shanny's "Blue Print" worked with Steve Young and John Elway, but it hasn't with Griese or Plummer, at least not at an "elite" level. There is no way that a Steve Young or John Elway led team lets up in the fourth quarter (going 1 for 6 on third down after taking a 10 pt lead) the way that it did yesterday.

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10. They are the same team from the past 6 seasons. Nothing about this team will change under the current regime unless they are able to find a franchise QB. That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.


blah blah blah....

[jmz313]

I'll give the Co's another week or two before a hope for just a wild card spot.

But I Hear you and #4 is the biggest problem with out a doubt. Shanny just turn over 4th quarter play calling to bronco billy.

[enjolras]

Bah.. the difference this year has been that the Broncos (save one game) have dominated on both sides of the ball through the six games. Yesterday they let one get away... it happens. Even to the really good teams (see the Patriots vs. Dolphins last year IIRC).

There where some ugly parts to yesterdays game. Most worryingly was the offenses inability to finish.. 3rd down continues to be a big concern... but overall it was another really good performance in which they just couldn't finish it. I can live with that...

This team isn't the best team ever.. but they are definitely really good. This team has as good a shot as anybody to win a superbowl this year.. and that's exciting enough for me.

Go broncos!

[TDmvp]

And Lamea$$ post of the week goes to ....
Survey says.....

i mean come on this is so typical.

[Spider]

wow ...... I wonder where the cuttoff point is ? ......... 3 losses in one season = Get your monkey ass out of here ?

[bendog]

Bingo.

I'd give up bloodsunday's left testicle for eli in swooshes though (-:

[bronco militia]

the Broncos are not frauds unless you thought they were the best team in the AFC/NFL.

[Ray Finkle]

wow ...... I wonder where the cuttoff point is ? ......... 3 losses in one season = Get your monkey ass out of here ?


;D

[bronco militia]

Bingo.

I'd give up bloodsunday's left testicle for eli in swooshes though (-:


no doubt...Plummer didn't cost the Broncos the game, but we get Griese Ball instead.....ugh, this offfense sucks.

[Mediator12]

Easy dude. The Loss of Monday night at CIN did not even come close to resembling the loss to the Giants yesterday.

There were a few important lessons that needed to be learned in those close wins and yesterday the finally came and bit us in the ass because they have not been addressed.

1. We are getting outscored horribly in the fourth quarter this year 68-29. That is 9 TD's to 2. Outgained in yardage and TOP is pathetic too. This really has to change.

2. The defensive red Zone percentage and goal to go Percentage SUCKS! They are 31st in the league in letting others score in the red zone.

3. ST's have been shaky and inconsistent. Coverage has struggled the last two weeks. Elam pushes a tough FG wide right. Suaerbrun kicks a KO from the fifty out of bounds???

4. Third down percentages for both Offense AND defense have been worse than last year. You have to get teams off the field and stay on the field more. The defense has been way too eratic. Lights out for several quarters and pathetic for others.

This team has different problems and the secondary has been getting torched recently with the game on the line. The rookies are doing well, but their inexperience down the stretch has allowed way too many comebacks.

[Mile High Shack]

Easy dude. The Loss of Monday night at CIN did not even come close to resembling the loss to the Giants yesterday.

There were a few important lessons that needed to be learned in those close wins and yesterday the finally came and bit us in the ass because they have not been addressed.

1. We are getting outscored horribly in the fourth quarter this year 68-29. That is 9 TD's to 2. Outgained in yardage and TOP is pathetic too. This really has to change.

2. The defensive red Zone percentage and goal to go Percentage SUCKS! They are 31st in the league in letting others score in the red zone.

3. ST's have been shaky and inconsistent. Coverage has struggled the last two weeks. Elam pushes a tough FG wide right. Suaerbrun kicks a KO from the fifty out of bounds???

4. Third down percentages for both Offense AND defense have been worse than last year. You have to get teams off the field and stay on the field more. The defense has been way too eratic. Lights out for several quarters and pathetic for others.

This team has different problems and the secondary has been getting torched recently with the game on the line. The rookies are doing well, but their inexperience down the stretch has allowed way too many comebacks.

that and Bob Slovach as our secondary coach is paying huge benefits right now :hitself:

[Mediator12]

that and Bob Slovach as our secondary coach is paying huge benefits right now :hitself:

They have been protecting the young guys far too much IMHO. They have been playing for seven weeks Now. It is time to turn them loose. They really have not given up any Long TD passes since the Walls MIA debacle. I just hope they start playing more aggressively as Champ gets to 100%. Otherwise, I think they are going to get routinely raosted in the passing game as long as holding calls are ignored and the DL fails to get actual sacks.

[Mile High Shack]

They have been protecting the young guys far too much IMHO. They have been playing for seven weeks Now. It is time to turn them loose. They really have not given up any Long TD passes since the Walls MIA debacle. I just hope they start playing more aggressively as Champ gets to 100%. Otherwise, I think they are going to get routinely raosted in the passing game as long as holding calls are ignored and the DL fails to get actual sacks.

what I don't get is

when we blitz, why do we go zone?

every dump off pass available is wide open when that happens

[OrangeShadow]

plummer 0 ints in 20+ quarters? no they're not the same

[BroncoInferno]

what I don't get is

when we blitz, why do we go zone?

every dump off pass available is wide open when that happens

To protect the youngsters. If you blitz and man up, there is greater risk of giving up a big play. The thing is, though, we were told that we drafted these guys because they are so good in man-to-man. Half the season is nearly gone. Time to let them do what they are good at.

[Mile High Shack]

To protect the youngsters. If you blitz and man up, there is greater risk of giving up a big play. The thing is, though, we were told that we drafted these guys because they are so good in man-to-man. Half the season is nearly gone. Time to let them do what they are good at.

that's what I'm saying

I'd rather just go and die fast rather than this dinking and dunking BS that is pecking our team to death

[Crushaholic]

WRONG.

We are MUCH better in redzone efficiency. We used to have a brain fart whenever we got within the 20 yard line. Now, we are scoring more touchdowns in the redzone than I remember in a long time.

We are getting more pressure on the QB. There are a couple of threads about the refs, so I won't go into that. However, we knocked Eli on his ass a few times. Trevor Pryce actually has help on the line.

Plummer has drastically cut down on mistakes.

The combination of Darrent Williams and Charlie Adams is giving us better field position on returns.

This is not the same team. Yes, it was very disappointing that we choked away the game, but to call this the same team is highly inaccurate.

[F**kOakland]

Everybody off the Broncos lost!!!

Teams lose, that's the NFL

The thing that pisses me off is the Shanny talk, come on who got the team this far. Shanny does not suit up. $hit happens, this team is going to lose some games. Most of the NFL has a worse record. _i_O_i_

[Rascal]

I posted this in another thread...

Darrent Williams needs an IV before every game. What the hell is it with that guy and being dehydrated every 4th quarter? It seems like every game in the 4th quarter he goes limping off with an injury. It was no surprise to see Eli look to Toomer so much on that last drive. Williams was cramping and Foxworth is an easy mark.

[Tom A Hawk]

Not that you care, but I think the Denver team is still the team to beat.
So, you had a brainfart at the end.......learn from it and move on.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger........you ain't dead.........YET.

Stay out of the 3rd down passing situations and you will be fine.

[Great13]

All I know is.. I remember Shanny/Kubes calling 2 passing plays back to back in the 4th quarter with less than 10:00 to go. We were up and the running game was doing well.. and we decide to run empty backfield plays? And whats with the passes to T. Bell, we all know he doesn't have the best hands.. but let's throw to him twice on crucial thrid downs. The 4th quarter play calling cost us this game. Both defensive and offensive.

[Rigs11]

They lost by a freaking point to a good team, in their house. Have some freaking faith, we're still 5-2. If we lose next week then you can start jumping off the bandwagon.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

New Season, Same Frauds

Way too early for this kind of crap just like it is for "home playoff" and "coach of the year crap". The Broncos are playing in the top tier of the league, should be 6-1 right now but couldn't overcome one of the worst officiating jobs I've ever seen in my life. I guarantee you the Bronco coaching staff knows they have the best team here now since the SB. If it all comes tumbling down then come back here and rub our faces in it say "I told you so".

We're not even halfway yet, WAY too early for this crap!

[Spider]

They lost by a freaking point to a good team, in their house. Have some freaking faith, we're still 5-2. If we lose next week then you can start jumping off the bandwagon.
;D The Medical Profession in Denver loves this .. alot of Broken ankles jumping on and off the bandwagon

[footstepsfrom#27]

The absolute bottom line is that Shanahan staunchly REFUSES to keep up the pressure in the 4th quarter because he plays not to lose. It's incredibly simple. And no...it will not change. He is what he is.

[Arkie]

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10.

We are still the only AFC West team undefeated in the division. I believe we will win the division by 2 games. Also, I would like to take you up on that bet. I have PayPal.

[ro_50]

Denver is still the same on the D-line. No pressure.

This line just cant generate sacks on it own.

And Elam missed that kick, Wind or no wind.

I'm frustrated that they lost, but I'm more upset w/ the D-line's lack of a pass rush.

[Play2win]

I am now covinced, no more evidence needed, that this is our team for as long as Mike Shanahan is Head Coach and GM. I am not saying that we should fire him, I am just stating a fact. When a coach is coach long enough in this league, you begin to see their "blue print" on a team and this is it for us. Bill Cowher has teams that are known for toughness and defense. Marty Schotenheimer plays "Marty Ball". Shanny has apparently mastered the good, but not great team.

This team has displayed the same character flaws as seasons past:
1) Poor third down %, Poor redzone percentage, and is very poor when taking possession in opponents territory.

2) This team has no toughness, mostly mental. When the pressure is on the invariably fold. Some unit, some player always gets beat.

3) Lost in the fact that our team is "balanced" is the fact that we still have no dominant unit that can take over a game and win when its in the balance. Argue about whether its the offense or the defense that let us down, but the fact is neither of them got it done despite multiple opportunities. People want to beat the drum of this defense, but it is the poster child for the fraudness. They have many more draft picks and FA dollars than the O right now and they are consistently under achieving. I think the scheme is flawed and I think the players are not making plays (except for Champ).

4) No killer instinct. This team cannot put a team away.

5) The only good thing we can say, particularly about the offense, is that we are able to run the ball between the 20s.

6) The DL completely disappeared when the game was on the line.

I believe that the reasons above come down to one thing, the play of the QB. Jake played fine yesterday and has done everything we have asked him to do in terms of not making mistakes. But at the end of the day there is something special about the QB position -- especially under Shanny's "Blue Print" -- that makes the entire team better. For example, experts say that 3rd down is the QBs down. In other words, its the QBs job to get it done on that down. The play of great QBs often inspires and wills a team. This team is flat out lacking that heart. I know its unfair to compare Jake, but the bottom line is that Shanny's "Blue Print" worked with Steve Young and John Elway, but it hasn't with Griese or Plummer, at least not at an "elite" level. There is no way that a Steve Young or John Elway led team lets up in the fourth quarter (going 1 for 6 on third down after taking a 10 pt lead) the way that it did yesterday.

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10. They are the same team from the past 6 seasons. Nothing about this team will change under the current regime unless they are able to find a franchise QB. That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.

_i_O_i_ 4321~ 4321~ 4321~ _i_O_i_

FUCQ YOU! I am sick of your whining little arse!! You cry more than Dick-For-Meals!! Tell me which team you are fan of
REALLY!!! I can't believe its the Broncos.


NOW, go LOSE youself!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rock Chalk]

You just knew that bloodsunday has been waiting to say "I told you so" with all his ****ed up pessimism.

You sir, are about the most worthless fan I have ever seen. I hold you in the highest contempt. That may not mean much to you, but just know that someone out there wishes you nothing but ill will since you can't seem to get over the fact that Denver was not going to win out. Indy won't even win out and they got a cakewalk schedule.

Face it, the refs jobbed us. The phantom block in the back call and absolutely no holding calls on that last drive when there were BLATANT holding penalties occurring on EVERY down.

Taco can tell us to shut up about the refs all he wants, but that phantom block in the back call took us from 1st and 10 and driving to punting which, at the very least, would have taken another minute off the clock and we would have won. I dont normally complain about officiating, but that was just a bogus ****ing call by a bogus crew.

5-2. Let me ask you this you ****ing dip****s, did you think at the beginning of the season, we would be 5-2 playing the schedule that we did? No, none of you did. Not a single ****ing one of you people and now that we are you are complaining.

Spoiled, rotten, stupid ****ing fans. This day I am ashamed to be mentioned as a Bronco fan, not because of the team, because of their fans.

[broncoblue]

thought it would be a 10 page **** on shanny thread by the time i got home from work ...KEEP THE FKG FAITH!!!!!

ALL THE WAY BABY ALL THE GODDAMMITMUTHAFERKING****ONCHEFSANDFADE WAY BABY

[bronco militia]

5-2. Let me ask you this you ****ing dip****s, did you think at the beginning of the season, we would be 5-2 playing the schedule that we did? No, none of you did. Not a single ****ing one of you people and now that we are you are complaining.

.

I did....i figured they'd get off to a 5-3, 6-2 start and finish 7-9/8-8....

once again, this team can't be a fraud if you didn't think they were that good to begin with.

[Rock Chalk]

I did....i figured they'd get off to a 5-3, 6-2 start and finish 7-9/8-8....

once again, this team can't be a fraud if you didn't think they were that good to begin with.
Well, I wasnt referring to you ya damn pessimist :P

[bronco militia]

Well, I wasnt referring to you ya damn pessimist :P

Nyah!

[Cleo McDowell]

is bloodsunday mark kiszla?

[Play2win]

is bloodsunday mark kiszla?
Hilarious! rofl

[2KBack]

plummer 0 ints in 20+ quarters? no they're not the same

and take a look at our own redzone production the last few games, how many time last year did they stall at the 15, 10, or 5? This year they are getting TDs.

[2KBack]

5-2. Let me ask you this you ****ing dip****s, did you think at the beginning of the season, we would be 5-2 playing the schedule that we did? No, none of you did. Not a single ****ing one of you people and now that we are you are complaining.

Spoiled, rotten, stupid ****ing fans. This day I am ashamed to be mentioned as a Bronco fan, not because of the team, because of their fans.

I can definitly live with a loss every 6th game.

[ludo21]

Denver is still the same on the D-line. No pressure.

This line just cant generate sacks on it own.

And Elam missed that kick, Wind or no wind.

I'm frustrated that they lost, but I'm more upset w/ the D-line's lack of a pass rush.


what?!?!??!?! Have you watched a single game this season??

The DL has gotten pressure, they are much better this year. And this game was a classic example of their is holding on every down. But it was just as Alec said, BLATANT holding!! When our guys are getting held it gave Eli an extra 3 seconds every down to move the gnats down the field.

What are you talking about no wind or wind? The ball was clearly perfectly struck and the wind pushed it wide right. Sure he could have hit it even more left but wind is tough to judge sometimes expecially when its inconsistent.

And whats with the lack of faith from some of you? 5-2!!! I for one didnt think we would be at 5-2.

This team looks very different from years past, JMO, but Jake playing TO free, the D forcing TO's, that right there is a huge reason we are playing well.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This thread is a pretty big overreaction. At least admit that it's an overreaction if you post something like this. The Broncos are 5-2 and 1st in the division and just lost a tough road game against a tough team. I thought that we would go into the bye at 5-3, and I think that if we go in at 6-2, we are setting ourselves up for a playoff spot and still in the running for home field advantage in round 1.

It is scary to think that the mid season swoon is waiting around the corner, but give it some time before you start yelling failure at an outstanding season thus far.

[ludo21]

This thread is a pretty big overreaction. At least admit that it's an overreaction if you post something like this. The Broncos are 6-2 and 1st in the division and just lost a tough road game against a tough team. I thought that we would go into the bye at 6-3, and I think that if we go in at 7-2, we are setting ourselves up for a playoff spot and still in the running for home field advantage in round 1.

It is scary to think that the mid season swoon is waiting around the corner, but give it some time before you start yelling failure at an outstanding season thus far.


???

[Clockwork Orange]

I was wondering how long it would be before the chicken littles crawled out of the woodwork.

When they win, they're not winning convincingly enough. When they lose, they're doomed. Outstanding. ::)

[DB-Freak]

It's too damn early to know.

[Popps]

plummer 0 ints in 20+ quarters? no they're not the same

It's hysterical. We scored 23 points on the road, didn't turn the ball over, ran for almost 200 and threw for 200.... and you've got people saying these exact words: "this offfense sucks."

Sucks.

Almost 400 yards of offense, 23 points and a late fourth quarter lead.... yet, this "offense sucks."

It's almost comical.

[ludo21]

It's hysterical. We scored 23 points on the road, didn't turn the ball over, ran for almost 200 and threw for 200.... and you've got people saying these exact words: "this offfense sucks."

Sucks.

Almost 400 yards of offense, 23 points and a late fourth quarter lead.... yet, this "offense sucks."

It's almost comical.

I agree. But when the offense cant convert a 3rd and 2 after momentum shifting their way something is off. The players didnt execute when it mattered, but the play calling was what killed them as well. Dont empty the backfield!!!!

[AZBroncomaniac]

It's hysterical. We scored 23 points on the road, didn't turn the ball over, ran for almost 200 and threw for 200.... and you've got people saying these exact words: "this offfense sucks."

Sucks.

Almost 400 yards of offense, 23 points and a late fourth quarter lead.... yet, this "offense sucks."

It's almost comical.


Well said Popps. Defense plays lights out first 3 quarters and they blitz like it's goin out of style, makin Eli do his "quick throw and turn around before I get hit" moves. Then the last quarter, they just rolled open the carpet for Eli and Co, left open lanes to throw, and when they did blitz, they didn't bring as many defenders. Why not "Play With What Got Ya There"! If you get burned, you get burned. But keep doin what worked!

Like most though, I agree that the offense needs to convert on the 3rd and shorts, and at least run the ball in those situations. Anderson was pounding on Sunday, he should have been given the opportunity. Or even the fake run to Anderson, reverse pitch to Tatum. Heck, how many times has it worked for us this year?!?!

If we do throw a quick slant, isn't Rod the guy we want to throw them to?

[AZBroncomaniac]

I agree. But when the offense cant convert a 3rd and 2 after momentum shifting their way something is off. The players didnt execute when it mattered, but the play calling was what killed them as well. Dont empty the backfield!!!!

Empty backfield does stink!

Hey Ludo, fellow Arizonan here. I'm in the Higley area, near Gilbert. Good to see a fellow fan in the area! And a bonus that you don't seem overly pessimistic about the team either!

Go Broncos

[ludo21]

Empty backfield does stink!

Hey Ludo, fellow Arizonan here. I'm in the Higley area, near Gilbert. Good to see a fellow fan in the area! And a bonus that you don't seem overly pessimistic about the team either!

Go Broncos


Im in North Phoenix, im still optimistic for the season. They seem different this year and should have won, but a few bad play calls and a ton of blatant missed holding calls cost us.

[bloodsunday]

Easy dude. The Loss of Monday night at CIN did not even come close to resembling the loss to the Giants yesterday.

There were a few important lessons that needed to be learned in those close wins and yesterday the finally came and bit us in the ass because they have not been addressed.

1. We are getting outscored horribly in the fourth quarter this year 68-29. That is 9 TD's to 2. Outgained in yardage and TOP is pathetic too. This really has to change.

2. The defensive red Zone percentage and goal to go Percentage SUCKS! They are 31st in the league in letting others score in the red zone.

3. ST's have been shaky and inconsistent. Coverage has struggled the last two weeks. Elam pushes a tough FG wide right. Suaerbrun kicks a KO from the fifty out of bounds???

4. Third down percentages for both Offense AND defense have been worse than last year. You have to get teams off the field and stay on the field more. The defense has been way too eratic. Lights out for several quarters and pathetic for others.

This team has different problems and the secondary has been getting torched recently with the game on the line. The rookies are doing well, but their inexperience down the stretch has allowed way too many comebacks.
Everything you point to comes back to my point... this team still is not making plays. Whatever facet of the game you want to chose, they are not making enough plays (again). I might "take it easy" if I hadn't seen this before. It doesn't matter if you get outplayed (versus Cincy last year) or outplay your opponent (against NYG), the end result is a W/L. This team is in exactly the same position as year's past. Except in years past they never had a Miami game.

Not sure why anyone would believe that this team is any different than year's past. Sure they have jumbled some pieces around, but the results are the same. They don't make enough plays to be an elite team.

I personally believe that the defense is not being allowed to make plays. I don't like seeing #96 drop back in coverage. I don't like seeing our DBs 8 - 10 yards off the ball on every play. I didn't like it even when they were on 5 game win streak.

On offense I just don't think Jake is the answer. He is a fine QB, but I don't think he has all the skills and all the talent necessary to make this offense succeed at the highest level.

But hey... that's just my opinion. Hopefully I regret saying this in 2 months, but I have seen this junk before. Let's remember that 4 of their 5 consecutive wins came at home.

[bloodsunday]

the Broncos are not frauds unless you thought they were the best team in the AFC/NFL.
Fair point. I think they are frauds because they are not a division winner. There are those around here that thought we deserved to be ranked in the top 3 in the NFL. I kept saying the same thing... let's wait until they do something they haven't done in previous years.

[DB-Freak]

If we get our asses whooped by teams like Cinci and the Raiders in the midseason like last year, that would spell worries.

Not yet.

[bloodsunday]

that's what I'm saying

I'd rather just go and die fast rather than this dinking and dunking BS that is pecking our team to death
Especially since that is the reason you drafted those guys... for their man cover skills.

[AZBroncomaniac]

Im in North Phoenix, im still optimistic for the season. They seem different this year and should have won, but a few bad play calls and a ton of blatant missed holding calls cost us.

I hear ya. I'm always optimistic, maybe even homerish sometimes. My only frustration at the team came when i actually watched the game, and saw what happened in the 4th quarter.

But, I'm over it, and I look forward to watching the Eagles get beat next week! This team really has been playing some exciting football (not including week 1), even though we haven't been scoring 30+ like the years of old. It's actually fun to watch this team compete this year, a lot of highs and lows, the defense makin plays and givin some up, and holding my breath every time Tatum gets a touch. That's pretty decent football.

Game on Fox this week?

[bloodsunday]

We are still the only AFC West team undefeated in the division. I believe we will win the division by 2 games. Also, I would like to take you up on that bet. I have PayPal.
We have won 2 games at home. Let's see what happens when we go on the road. Oakland may have a bad record, but they are a dangerous team. At KC is almost a guaranteed loss. At San Diego is the last game of the year, so who knows that the situation will be then.

I am not going to bet against my team. I WANT them to win. I am just being honest in my assessment of what I see developing.

[ludo21]

Fair point. I think they are frauds because they are not a division winner. There are those around here that thought we deserved to be ranked in the top 3 in the NFL. I kept saying the same thing... let's wait until they do something they haven't done in previous years.


I am with you with the wait and see. But how can you say this team isnt different?

-Jakes not forcing TO's.
-The D is making plays and forcing TO's.
-The DL is doing so well teams have been forced to hold and unfortunately for us the refs arent tossing the flag.


Their are problems in execution tho, not getting a 3rd and 2 late in the game is huge. Playing prevent zone D on the last drive is stupid. Dropping DL is also dumb and i think everyone agrees with that.

I hope your wrong in 2 months btw too.

I do respect you for at least being pessimistic all off season and all season thus far. You at least havent flip flopped.

[bloodsunday]

The absolute bottom line is that Shanahan staunchly REFUSES to keep up the pressure in the 4th quarter because he plays not to lose. It's incredibly simple. And no...it will not change. He is what he is.
To an extent I agree with this. He is trying to protect his players (Jake, the young secondary) instead of letting them go make plays. The paradox with Jake is that how much can you ask him to be "mistake" free before he stops making plays and becomes a game manager. The plays called in the 4th quarter were very safe. Even the long plays were designed to either be overthrown or receptions for us.

[ludo21]

I hear ya. I'm always optimistic, maybe even homerish sometimes. My only frustration at the team came when i actually watched the game, and saw what happened in the 4th quarter.

But, I'm over it, and I look forward to watching the Eagles get beat next week! This team really has been playing some exciting football (not including week 1), even though we haven't been scoring 30+ like the years of old. It's actually fun to watch this team compete this year, a lot of highs and lows, the defense makin plays and givin some up, and holding my breath every time Tatum gets a touch. That's pretty decent football.

Game on Fox this week?


It might be, big game of week, NFC team, in Denver so its close. I hope so, i enjoy watching the game from home rather than sports bar.

[bloodsunday]

This thread is a pretty big overreaction. At least admit that it's an overreaction if you post something like this. The Broncos are 5-2 and 1st in the division and just lost a tough road game against a tough team. I thought that we would go into the bye at 5-3, and I think that if we go in at 6-2, we are setting ourselves up for a playoff spot and still in the running for home field advantage in round 1.
I do not believe it to be an overreaction. I think we are prepared for a streak like we have seen the past three years where we went a combined 13 - 15 after 5 -1 starts.

I guess you'd have to put me in the category with Militia in that I never believed this team was the #2 team in the NFL. I have believed all offseason that they were another 9 - 7 or 10 - 6 team.

[bloodsunday]

It's hysterical. We scored 23 points on the road, didn't turn the ball over, ran for almost 200 and threw for 200.... and you've got people saying these exact words: "this offfense sucks."

Sucks.

Almost 400 yards of offense, 23 points and a late fourth quarter lead.... yet, this "offense sucks."

It's almost comical.
Its about making plays. After Bailey intercepts that ball you simply cannot afford to go 3 and out. Period.

[bloodsunday]

I am with you with the wait and see. But how can you say this team isnt different?

-Jakes not forcing TO's.
-The D is making plays and forcing TO's.
-The DL is doing so well teams have been forced to hold and unfortunately for us the refs arent tossing the flag.


Their are problems in execution tho, not getting a 3rd and 2 late in the game is huge. Playing prevent zone D on the last drive is stupid. Dropping DL is also dumb and i think everyone agrees with that.

I hope your wrong in 2 months btw too.

I do respect you for at least being pessimistic all off season and all season thus far. You at least havent flip flopped.
I say they are the same team in the general sense that they are not making enough plays (overall, individual categoreis be damned) and they just don't have the right intangibles. Call it killer instinct. Call it maturity. Call it chemistry. Whatever it is, it is missing from this team.

They were dangerously close to losing a similar game against Washington and they were closer than people thought against NE. An "elite" team would have learned their lesson.

I am only being pessimistic in that I don't think this team is good enough to win a division and a playoff game which is my (new) standard for them. I still think we are an above average NFL franchise and I am happy to have Pat Bowlen as the owner and Shanny as the VPO. But to ignore the results of the past 6 years and not think that something drastic (GM, QB, OC, DC) has to change is insanity. In fact, its the definition of insanity.

[bloodsunday]

I don't get where you people call the Giants a good team. They are horrible against the run and horrible on D in general. They got manhandled by San Diego and punked by Dallas, yet we go out there and make Eli look like the second coming. The guy was throwing off his back foot on every play. The
Giants are likely to finish 4th in that division.

[Ray Finkle]

I don't get where you people call the Giants a good team. They are horrible against the run and horrible on D in general. They got manhandled by San Diego and punked by Dallas, yet we go out there and make Eli look like the second coming. The guy was throwing off his back foot on every play. The
Giants are likely to finish 4th in that division.


are you blind or ignorant? The Giants are a good team...We got Manhandled by Miami and beat by the Giants. So using your logic. We F*cking suck...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Suaerbrun kicks a KO from the fifty out of bounds???


Does anyone think this was a designed play, and I mean squibbing the kick instead of kicking a touchback? There was only a 5-yard difference in starting position. The TV angle was horrible, and they never replayed it, but at least to me it didn't look like a normal squib. It looked like it was hit a lot softer then normal, almost like they wanted to time one of the upbacks picking up the ball just as one of the Broncos cover guys got there to see if he could knock it loose. Almost like a "deep" onside kick. Ehhh . . . I'm probably just reading too much into the play.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Does anyone think this was a designed play, and I mean squibbing the kick instead of kicking a touchback? There was only a 5-yard difference in starting position. The TV angle was horrible, and they never replayed it, but at least to me it didn't look like a normal squib. It looked like it was hit a lot softer then normal, almost like they wanted to time one of the upbacks picking up the ball just as one of the Broncos cover guys got there to see if he could knock it loose. Almost like a "deep" onside kick. Ehhh . . . I'm probably just reading too much into the play.

I don't so. I think he was just trying to take part of the field out of play. Was the wind blowing so hard he couldn't get it out of the EZ from there?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

An "elite" team would have learned their lesson.


Yep. The Washington game in the rain is understandable when they did it. The Pats game was stupid because of who they were playing. But to allow a team to come back for a 3rd straight week is unacceptable. It shouldn't take a loss for them to realize that something needs to be changed with the way they call plays in the 4th.

[bloodsunday]

Does anyone think this was a designed play, and I mean squibbing the kick instead of kicking a touchback? There was only a 5-yard difference in starting position. The TV angle was horrible, and they never replayed it, but at least to me it didn't look like a normal squib. It looked like it was hit a lot softer then normal, almost like they wanted to time one of the upbacks picking up the ball just as one of the Broncos cover guys got there to see if he could knock it loose. Almost like a "deep" onside kick. Ehhh . . . I'm probably just reading too much into the play.
I was pissed when that first happened. But then when you consider that the Giants started beyond the 30 on virtually every kick off and the 15 yard penalty, that possibility made very good sense. I'd do it again under those circumstances, that's for sure.

[yavoon]

In fact, its the definition of insanity.

good one.

[TheReverend]

There's only one person to blame... Freihauf. Jesus, relax it's 5-2

[bloodsunday]

I don't so. I think he was just trying to take part of the field out of play. Was the wind blowing so hard he couldn't get it out of the EZ from there?
He got one TB all day. Every time they returned the ball (an average of 31 yards) they started beyond our 30 yard line. The more I think about it, the more I believe it was a planned play. And a shrewd one at that.

[bloodsunday]

are you blind or ignorant? The Giants are a good team...We got Manhandled by Miami and beat by the Giants. So using your logic. We ****ing suck... Are they better than J'Ville, Miami, KC, or San Diego? Maybe Miami. The defense that this was a good team is weak. We were up 10 pts and dominating. There is no excuse to lose that game, especially in light of near misses with Washington and New England.

[Ray Finkle]

Are they better than J'Ville, Miami, KC, or San Diego? Maybe Miami. The defense that this was a good team is weak. We were up 10 pts and dominating. There is no excuse to lose that game, especially in light of near misses with Washington and New England.


you are going to lose games during the year. It's not like it was San Fran or Houston. The Giants until a week or so ago were the highest scoring team in the league.

[bloodsunday]

Jesus, relax No, I'll leave to our 4th quarter defense :hitself:

It's my opinion. I have been consistent in it. Feel free to disagree.

[bloodsunday]

you are going to lose games during the year. It's not like it was San Fran or Houston. The Giants until a week or so ago were the highest scoring team in the league. To an extent I agree with you. But you are gonna have Miami games, and that's why this game is so painful. You cannot afford to blow any games in this league, not against any level of opponent, not in any venue. What if we suddenly get a bunch of injuries (Jake, OL, Rod) and drop a few for unforseen reasons? It was a game that we were firmly in control of and should not have lost.

This team has a habit of doing crap like this (Don't forget that we were up 11 pts on the Raiders last year and lost that game). At the time it is easy to say, "well it was only one game and the ______ was bad". Fill in the blank (officials, weather, play calling). But at the end of the year when you wind up one game away from having a home play off game and avoiding a trip to Indy you say, "well we were one or two plays away...". You guys can call me pessimistic, but I am just saying it like it is. Games like yesterday are a killer in hindsight.

This league is about seizing the moment and they didn't do it yesterday. No morale victories.

[rbackfactory80]

Yep. The Washington game in the rain is understandable when they did it. The Pats game was stupid because of who they were playing. But to allow a team to come back for a 3rd straight week is unacceptable. It shouldn't take a loss for them to realize that something needs to be changed with the way they call plays in the 4th.


I would love to agree with you but how could they have not seen this coming after three weeks in a row. If they didn't then shame on them cause we all did.

[rbackfactory80]

After leaving that game last night the crowd and people acted like the Giants just won the super bowl. It was amazing the high they gave the city. They played their best game and it was barely enough to get by us at home, they are not that good. Please refrain from using the highest scoring team in the league B.S. when at home they have played the saints, rams, and Cardinals.

[Rock Chalk]

I am now covinced, no more evidence needed, that this is our team for as long as Mike Shanahan is Head Coach and GM. I am not saying that we should fire him, I am just stating a fact. When a coach is coach long enough in this league, you begin to see their "blue print" on a team and this is it for us. Bill Cowher has teams that are known for toughness and defense. Marty Schotenheimer plays "Marty Ball". Shanny has apparently mastered the good, but not great team.

This team has displayed the same character flaws as seasons past:
1) Poor third down %, Poor redzone percentage, and is very poor when taking possession in opponents territory.

2) This team has no toughness, mostly mental. When the pressure is on the invariably fold. Some unit, some player always gets beat.

3) Lost in the fact that our team is "balanced" is the fact that we still have no dominant unit that can take over a game and win when its in the balance. Argue about whether its the offense or the defense that let us down, but the fact is neither of them got it done despite multiple opportunities. People want to beat the drum of this defense, but it is the poster child for the fraudness. They have many more draft picks and FA dollars than the O right now and they are consistently under achieving. I think the scheme is flawed and I think the players are not making plays (except for Champ).

4) No killer instinct. This team cannot put a team away.

5) The only good thing we can say, particularly about the offense, is that we are able to run the ball between the 20s.

6) The DL completely disappeared when the game was on the line.

I believe that the reasons above come down to one thing, the play of the QB. Jake played fine yesterday and has done everything we have asked him to do in terms of not making mistakes. But at the end of the day there is something special about the QB position -- especially under Shanny's "Blue Print" -- that makes the entire team better. For example, experts say that 3rd down is the QBs down. In other words, its the QBs job to get it done on that down. The play of great QBs often inspires and wills a team. This team is flat out lacking that heart. I know its unfair to compare Jake, but the bottom line is that Shanny's "Blue Print" worked with Steve Young and John Elway, but it hasn't with Griese or Plummer, at least not at an "elite" level. There is no way that a Steve Young or John Elway led team lets up in the fourth quarter (going 1 for 6 on third down after taking a 10 pt lead) the way that it did yesterday.

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10. They are the same team from the past 6 seasons. Nothing about this team will change under the current regime unless they are able to find a franchise QB. That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.

Drama Queen.

[Dukes]

This could get ugly !Booya!

[24champ]

bloodsunday better run for the hills....:poke:

[ludo21]

bloodsunday better run for the hills....:poke:


he hasnt been on so much as of late. Must kill him inside that he turned out soo wrong lol.

This is fun to pull up old threads. Ha!

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

I am now covinced, no more evidence needed, that this is our team for as long as Mike Shanahan is Head Coach and GM. I am not saying that we should fire him, I am just stating a fact. When a coach is coach long enough in this league, you begin to see their "blue print" on a team and this is it for us. Bill Cowher has teams that are known for toughness and defense. Marty Schotenheimer plays "Marty Ball". Shanny has apparently mastered the good, but not great team.

This team has displayed the same character flaws as seasons past:
1) Poor third down %, Poor redzone percentage, and is very poor when taking possession in opponents territory.

2) This team has no toughness, mostly mental. When the pressure is on the invariably fold. Some unit, some player always gets beat.

3) Lost in the fact that our team is "balanced" is the fact that we still have no dominant unit that can take over a game and win when its in the balance. Argue about whether its the offense or the defense that let us down, but the fact is neither of them got it done despite multiple opportunities. People want to beat the drum of this defense, but it is the poster child for the fraudness. They have many more draft picks and FA dollars than the O right now and they are consistently under achieving. I think the scheme is flawed and I think the players are not making plays (except for Champ).

4) No killer instinct. This team cannot put a team away.

5) The only good thing we can say, particularly about the offense, is that we are able to run the ball between the 20s.

6) The DL completely disappeared when the game was on the line.

I believe that the reasons above come down to one thing, the play of the QB. Jake played fine yesterday and has done everything we have asked him to do in terms of not making mistakes. But at the end of the day there is something special about the QB position -- especially under Shanny's "Blue Print" -- that makes the entire team better. For example, experts say that 3rd down is the QBs down. In other words, its the QBs job to get it done on that down. The play of great QBs often inspires and wills a team. This team is flat out lacking that heart. I know its unfair to compare Jake, but the bottom line is that Shanny's "Blue Print" worked with Steve Young and John Elway, but it hasn't with Griese or Plummer, at least not at an "elite" level. There is no way that a Steve Young or John Elway led team lets up in the fourth quarter (going 1 for 6 on third down after taking a 10 pt lead) the way that it did yesterday.

These 53 guys are not capable of winning the AFC West. And I'd put the odds of them winning a playoff game at about 1 in 10. They are the same team from the past 6 seasons. Nothing about this team will change under the current regime unless they are able to find a franchise QB. That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.

OMG!! That 9-2 record must be a huge mistake. The fact that great teams find ways to win, and the Broncos have been finding ways to win, have no bearing on them being a playoff contender. Should just take all 53 of these guys, who are just quietly going about business, and just shoot them all. I'm hoping that this was a reverse Karma thing Blood Sunday.:laugh:

[ludo21]

OMG!! That 9-2 record must be a huge mistake. The fact that great teams find ways to win, and the Broncos have been finding ways to win, have no bearing on them being a playoff contender. Should just take all 53 of these guys, who are just quietly going about business, and just shoot them all. I'm hoping that this was a reverse Karma thing Blood Sunday.:laugh:

bro, look when this was posted, back in october. WE did win, then, but still bloody thought that was the end i suppose. :griese:

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

bro, look when this was posted, back in october. WE did win, then, but still bloody thought that was the end i suppose. :griese:
Yeah, but it is still nice to poke fun. It's funny how there are people who are never happy with how this team plays, and that this franchise has been one of the most sucessful in the last 15 years. I'm beginning to believe what someone told me once, you can never underestimate the stupidity of others.

[Dukes]

OMG!! That 9-2 record must be a huge mistake. The fact that great teams find ways to win, and the Broncos have been finding ways to win, have no bearing on them being a playoff contender. Should just take all 53 of these guys, who are just quietly going about business, and just shoot them all. I'm hoping that this was a reverse Karma thing Blood Sunday.:laugh:

D'oh!!! :dunk:

[Odysseus]

That may seem obvious, but I am done with trying to get by with "game managing" QBs unless we have a coach that knows how to win with that blue print. At least I wasn't dumb enough to drink the orange cool aid this year.

1. Agreed. The Broncos are not an offensive Juggernaut. What's your point here? If Jake had played within himself the Cowboys would not have gotten that pick. If Anderson had been more aware he might have avoided that brutal hit which cost the fumble. Give it up on the Cowboys. They took advantage of those two plays. If the Cowboys had sucked those were 14 more points for the Broncos. Believe it.

2. The Dallas game was all about mental toughness. Dallas opened their playbook and Denver responded in kind. Denver took some serious shots and kept coming back. You need to step down out of the Ivory tower. You probably didn't even get picked for dodgeball did you? Pity.

3. The defense shut Dallas down at will in the 4th quarter. What are you talking about? If 61 had not have biffed it on that goalline stand the Cowboys were stopped.

4. The biggest fault by MOST of the players in the NFL isn't the lack of talent but the lack of ability to work in a team environment. MOST teams have some very good players but FEW teams have the discipline to get the most from their guys. Did you understand what I just said on any level whatsoever?

5. Having a running game is a bad thing? Winning is not sexy enough for you or something? If you want to fault the Broncos running game for not having a Stephen Jackson (Tears are welling in my eyes) that is legitimate but to bag on a team wholesale because they can take lesser players and win is pure and unadulterated stupid.

6. The DL disappeared so you think it's Jakes fault? Do you mean the same DL that shut down the game at will in the 4th quarter? The same DL that except for a handful of plays was all over Dallas? Step away from the stat sheet. You didn't really watch this game at all did you? Admit it.

There is a lot of football left. If you don't want to believe you team that is fine but don't think brave pronouncements make you anything more than gutless. It's alright to be scared BS. We're all here for you dude. Be Brave. You don't have to drink the koolaide but whatever it is you are drinking you should stop because it's really fugging you up!

[sirhcyennek81]

never heard some people be so bitchy about a 9-2 record. 4th in the nfl coming into the week on offense. so how horrible could we be?

[Odysseus]

Why even watch the games if you are this afraid of the Broncos losing. Step away from the t.v., turn off the computer, and go find something else to do.

The Broncos played with heart. If all you want to do is watch them when they win then come back after the season and watch only the games they win in.

Too easy.

[Popps]

You know what would be a good poll?

Who hates this team most...

1. Boob
2. Bloody Sunday
3. Al Davis

[Odysseus]

You know what would be a good poll?

Who hates this team most...

1. Boob
2. Bloody Sunday
3. Al Davis

It would be a tie. All three are closet Broncos fans. Hilarious!

[sirhcyennek81]

only thing stopping denver from a top seed is a total collapse. i doubt that happens this season. this team is different, have bonded, and will fight for 60 minutes. i HOPE indi loses twice, once to jacksonville, once to san diego, so they have to come to denver in january. that would be sweet. welcome to colorado peyton, care for some asswhuppin?

[24champ]

You know what would be a good poll?

Who hates this team most...

1. Boob
2. Bloody Sunday
3. Al Davis
Add Parcells to the list...Shanny owns the guy.

[Odysseus]

I hope Indy beats everybody but us.

EDIT: I just found out the Broncos lost the Dallas game. We've got a lot of beat up players right now. Any closet Broncos fans happy about that?

[bloodsunday]

So you guys think I was a little over the top? ;D That loss really hurt. It kind of hurts even more now because we would have a very comfortable lead in our division and the race for the #2 seed. At least it was an NFC loss.

I am still slow to come around to the game managing QB style of play, but it I may have been unfair to be so critical of Jake since he is obviously doing what they ask. I am still not convinced (not until the playoffs and the division is won) that its a formula for success, but its hard to pin all of that on Plummer. Watching our WR on Thursday it seemed pretty obvious that Dallas was daring us to through and the only guy that seemed open was Jeb. Our OL has has played pretty well, but I think they too could be a better pass blocking unit. I guess what I am saying is that I will back off of Jake (quick to turn, huh?) but I still need to see this pass offense (as a unit) improve and win some important games before I buy off on the unit.

Good do know that KC still has to go to NY and Dallas. Those were tough games and that division is a dog-fight so they'll have to earn those wins.

[bloodsunday]

It would be a tie. All three are closet Broncos fans. Hilarious!
There's nothing closet about my loyalty. While I may have overracted to that loss, let's not count our chickens before they hatch. There is still some work to be done, and it starts a week from Sunday in KC.

That said, I was pleased with the game on Thursday. That was a playoff game type intensity and desire to win on both sides (parcells used two timeouts to punch in that 4th and goal play). I feel like Denver pretty much controlled that game as Dallas never had a lead. I think MA got screwed as Newman was OB when he recovered that fumble, IMO.

[Paladin]

What do you think, guys? Shall we let him back into the clubhouse?

[Circle Orange]

Wait to see how this whole playoff deal plays out. Then we'll know.

[ludo21]

Bloody, i still dont see the whole, game manager plummer. He is our leader and they dont really have a leash on him. They let him throw on frst down, boot him out of the pocket to let him make plays, empty the backfield. They do a lot of things and put trust in him, he is more of a game manager to me.

[Popps]

Yea, when Plummer was breaking franchise passing records... but threw about 5 too many INTs, he was a buffoon.

Now, he's taking less chances, and he's a "game manager."

Some people just can't suck it up and admit that they were dead wrong. Add Bloody Sunday (BS) to the Taco list.

Jake makes 10-12 plays a game on his own that most QBs can't make... eluding rushers, scrambling, using his legs to keep drives alive, etc. Yea, some "game manager."

It doesn't matter. This board is always going to have guys like BS who have to use garbage stats and skewed logic like this to try to dig themselves out of a hole instead of just admitting they were wrong.

Hey BS.... I said Watts would be our #1 WR by this year.

I was wrong.

See... it's easy. You should try it some day... and teach Taco, while you're at it.

[~Crash~]

I have not gave up on watts yet popps but you are right it is easy to mis judge talent I was about the only guy to think Cole was going to to make it to a top WR at the end and I guess he sucked because I belive he out of football now ...

[Elway 4 Life]

I could care less what anyone calls Jake. I'm gonna call him my QB. He is winning us games. He is our leader.

[Merlin]

BS can be annoying, that said he does seem to try at times. However, Telluride (sp?) has got to be the biggest a$$ in this board. He even makes KC fans in the forum jump to Denver's defense. Sad really.

[Circle Orange]

KC Fans, eh? Looks like the tail's wagging the dog...

[Arkie]

I'm still game for the 10-1 odds that the Broncos will win a playoff game.

[Odysseus]

I'm still game for the 10-1 odds that the Broncos will win a playoff game.

I got all excited for a second. I thought you were betting the Broncos would LOSE a playoff game. I was going to see if you had some farm land or a good looking sister that you didn't want anymore.

[Atlas]

You know what would be a good poll?

Who hates this team most...

1. Boob
2. Bloody Sunday
3. Al Davis

B. Sunday was the most negative person on the board for a long time and that is saying alot.

[ludo21]

B. Sunday was the most negative person on the board for a long time and that is saying alot.


maybe, but at least hes a fan. A guy like Telluride who says he is a fan is a joke.thwack

[Atlas]

maybe, but at least hes a fan. A guy like Telluride who says he is a fan is a joke.thwack
I agree. What is strange is that for a couple of Months BS was right on board with everything. Then all of a sudden he was just horribly negative. From Shanny to the draft hell, you would have thought Denver wasn't going to win a game this year.

[fontaine]

Who the phuk cares what BloodSunday or other posters were saying months ago?

It's pretty pathetic (IMO) to go through months old threads to target fellow Bronco fans (I've done it to watercrock, but only when he's asking for it)

I mean, for example, you could go back to when we first signed Kyle and he was declared inactive for every game. I said then and there that he would be the FB of the future for us, but I'm sure you could go back and find totally incorrect and dumb things I've said but that doesn't change the fact that I love this team, just as I'm sure BS does as well.

Otherwise he wouldn't spend so much time here airing out his worries on this team!

For the record though, Shanahan and Kubiak seemed to share some of the criticism on Jake because by their own admission they went through his every pass last season and broke it down to what he did wrong in places to improve his game. It worked. But why the hell did they do it? Because they knew parts of his game needed a lot of improvement. I'm glad it worked and hope they do it again this offseason.