Quit complaining about the refs...

[Taco John]

I can't believe how weak people are. We had every opportunity both on offense and defense to put this game away and people can't shut up about the refs... Sickening.

[El Guapo]

I say just shut up in general. its an L, it happens...chalk it up as experience and move on.

[DB-Freak]

I can't believe how weak people are. We had every opportunity both on offense and defense to put this game away and people can't shut up about the refs... Sickening.
I love how Fergy just froze on that last play.

Fantastic.

[Dagmar]

I can't believe how weak people are. We had every opportunity both on offense and defense to put this game away and people can't shut up about the refs... Sickening.
Damn straight TJ, we've been trying to lose in the 4th for 3 weeks.
Refs or not, we coulda had this one easy.

[Cleo McDowell]

a loss is taken as a loss. we knew that we couldn't go 15-1. its just unnerving when it seems you have to play against the opponent and the refs, i never complain about officiating but damn.. its venting. game over, time for the team to take it to the eagles.

[Taco John]

Champ Bailey made the most beautiful interception I can remember seeing in a Broncos uniform, and to capitalize on it we went three and out. I can't believe anybody is complaining about the refs.

[PatsWin2002]

Damn straight TJ, we've been trying to lose in the 4th for 3 weeks.
Refs or not, we coulda had this one easy.

Very good point. Now it's a pattern.....not good.

[MrPeepers]

better to have a choke job in an nfc road game than an afc home game, which would you rather last years MNF Bengal Meltdown or this one. Noone wants to lose, but were not going 16-0.

I don't know why we lost, I put blame squarely on shanahans shoulders. He hires the coaches to assess the players and choose the plays they run. I don't believe our players are at fault, i've seen defenses more dominant with less talent. Personally I think it's partly a matter of resting on your laurels and another part motivation from opponents desperation.

Anyways, don't go kicking your dog, just let it go. Next week we come home angry and hungrier than the Beagles will be.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yea the refs suck. So what. Every losing team's board is screaming about them as we speak. But we do this each and every week now...we cannot put anyone away. We have no killer instinct. We allow teams to hang around until the end and then we pull out the weak prevent crap on defense. 5-1 once again has turned to 5-2...I'm seeing a pattern here that repeats every year. Right now I can see 4-5 more L's on this schedule unless this team starts to get tougher in the 4th quarter. There was no excuse for what happend out there today.

None.

[Goobzilla]

Is this the beginning of the annual "Hot Start, Stagger into the Playoffs" run? God, I hope not. There is more than enough blame to be thrown around on all sides today without even getting to the officials (who DID suck today)

[BigPlayShay]

Champ Bailey made the most beautiful interception I can remember seeing in a Broncos uniform, and to capitalize on it we went three and out. I can't believe anybody is complaining about the refs.

It was beautiful, more beautiful than the one he made in New Orleans last year. I want to complain about the refs, I really do, but I am not going to. This is what I have a problem with:

4-6-NYG31 (5:24) J.Elam 49 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer.
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3-5-DEN47 (3:56) J.Plummer pass incomplete to T.Bell (W.Allen).

[El Guapo]

Champ Bailey made the most beautiful interception I can remember seeing in a Broncos uniform, and to capitalize on it we went three and out. I can't believe anybody is complaining about the refs.


YUP. That was pretty upsetting. Whats the point of making a big deal about getting turnovers if we cant capitalize?ugh!~

[troya900]

Is this the beginning of the annual "Hot Start, Stagger into the Playoffs" run? God, I hope not. There is more than enough blame to be thrown around on all sides today without even getting to the officials (who DID suck today)


Yup you just can't help but feel that this is the start of the mid season slide into mediocrity. I think that one fox take was right. Broncos go 10-6 11-5 and lose to Indy again in the playoffs. No way we can beat that team with this lousy secondary. It's clear the refs are going to allow the Dlinemen to get mugged and ridden to the ground so I can't really see us beating the Colts this year.

[Rascal]

If somebody wants to complain about the refs let them...they have every right too. When a defensive lineman on any team is hogtied in front of the umpire but they call nothing, and then when on a run block a lineman is called for a very questionable holding penalty they have every reason to bitch.

I'm not saying it would have affected the outcome of the game, but to say that the people don't have a reason to be upset about the officiating is ignorant at best.

[PatsWin2002]

Hey, if nothing else, the Broncos are battle-tested.

I think Indy plays Hoover High School next week. :)

[RhymesayersDU]

I think some ref bashing is deserved. The reason being is because when the Broncos win, pretty much the whole board has been bashing the refs. It's not like we say the refs are brilliant when we win and bad when we lose.

It seems like a trend this season IMO... We've been seeing it on nationally televised games, we've been seeing it in Bronco games and everywhere in between.

I think there is a line between calling out bad officiating and blaming the refs for a loss. I don't blame the refs for this loss. We had more than enough opportunities to win. But I think there were a ton of bad calls, that's for damn sure.

[Taco John]

People can whine about the refs if they want, but it still doesn't answer any questions about our own execution problems. All it does is make our fan base look like a bunch of crybaby wannabes.

[El Guapo]

i tire of complaining, because 100% of the time it doesnt affect anything on the field. HOWEVER, if shanny (in his press conference tomorrow) calls out the refs ill happily follow suit. :thumbsup:

[troya900]

i tire of complaining, because 100% of the time it doesnt affect anything on the field. HOWEVER, if shanny (in his press conference tomorrow) calls out the refs tomorrow ill happily follow suit. :thumbsup:

Yup it sucks and doesn't change anything just aggrivating when the Denver Dline gets ridden down to the ground on several plays and nothing then on the practically game sealing play when Anderson runs to the 20 they decide to call holding it's just frustrating as hell. :coach:

[Rascal]

People can whine about the refs if they want, but it still doesn't answer any questions about our own execution problems. All it does is make our fan base look like a bunch of crybaby wannabes.

I don't give a flying flip what other fan bases think. If I cared I would go to their websites...which I don't.

Sure we had some execution problems...but we also had some horrible play calling by Coyer, Shanny, etc.

When even the idiot announcer can predict what's going to happen it should be a clue that something is wrong.

[Rascal]

i tire of complaining, because 100% of the time it doesnt affect anything on the field. HOWEVER, if shanny (in his press conference tomorrow) calls out the refs tomorrow ill happily follow suit. :thumbsup:

Yeah because everything we do here does affects anything on the field.

[El Guapo]

Yeah because everything we do here does affects anything on the field.


exactly.. :clown:

[ludo21]

People can whine about the refs if they want, but it still doesn't answer any questions about our own execution problems. All it does is make our fan base look like a bunch of crybaby wannabes.


I agree 100% that we didnt execute, and even with a very bad ref crew we could have put the game away. But when the DL is getting held and (dont get me started on push off Plax) tackled, it does simutaneously have an effect on the qb who gets an extra 3 seconds to pass.


Hey, if nothing else, the Broncos are battle-tested.

I think Indy plays Hoover High School next week.



Dang it PatsWin, this aint a time for jokes! Nnyah!

[watermock]

I'm not blaming the refs for the loss...I'm calling out pubiak yet again...3rd and 2 and he empties the backfield to almost throw an INT? You just go off tackle for the two yards and run clock.

Does it again and doesn't expect a blitz?

the fact still remains the refs had a major role in the game...we still should of won...Im out.

I am so sick of Kubiak god I want him gone.

[Rascal]

I'm with you Mock. Kubes or Shanny, whoever called those plays and throwing to Bell, needs to have their play calling privelages revoked. Simply stupid. Why you throw to a RB who has poor hands against their #1 CB is simply stupid. Yeah...a real problem of execution there :stupid:

[Blueflame]

People can whine about the refs if they want, but it still doesn't answer any questions about our own execution problems. All it does is make our fan base look like a bunch of crybaby wannabes.

IMHO, the problems started with playcalling ... on both sides of the ball. When the running game is working, why in the hell do we suddenly go to the empty backfield? And what does a "prevent" defense usually do besides prevent you from winning?

[Rascal]

IMHO, the problems started with playcalling ... on both sides of the ball. When the running game is working, why in the hell do we suddenly go to the empty backfield? And what does a "prevent" defense usually do besides prevent you from winning?

Rack 'em.

[Taco John]

I didn't see a prevent defense. I saw some zone defense mixed in with plenty of blitzing. I'll have to look at the tape again, but I think all this "prevent" talk is just knee jerk reaction at this point.

[DB-Freak]

Does it look like the defense is in prevent when they are doing bad?

I didn't see much difference in the D from quarter to quarter. Coyer blitzed from all angles.

What I noticed was our high touted secondary players getting burned on crucial moments.

[Rascal]

It was prevent...we didn't start blitzing till the got close to the 30 yard line. And even the idiot announcer knew what would happen.

"They will sit back and let the underneath stuff happen, then when the Giants get close they will blitz and then they will get burned" (paraphrasing). Well we got burned.

BRILLIANT COYER!!! FREAKING BRILLIANT!!!

[Rascal]

Maybe people will finally understand that we need to get some freaking safeties.

[DB-Freak]

That's pure hindsight even if what you said was true.

Pick your poison. Try to be aggressive and get burnt or get slowly eaten alive.

[The Big E]

IMHO, the problems started with playcalling ... on both sides of the ball. When the running game is working, why in the hell do we suddenly go to the empty backfield? And what does a "prevent" defense usually do besides prevent you from winning?
Bingo. The empty backfield is just used way too much, and it seems to rarely be effective. When we've been running the ball well all day, why remove at least the threat of a run? Drives me crazy.

[troya900]

Bingo. The empty backfield is just used way too much, and it seems to rarely be effective. When we've been running the ball well all day, why remove at least the threat of a run? Drives me crazy.

Exactly that's all it is. Removing any thoughts of a run happening. I bet old Coughlin over there was jumping up and down inside when he seen Bell take off out of the backfield. Giants knew they could just bring it against an inferior pass blocking line and it showed in just about every play where the backfield was empty it was pathetic that Shanny tried that crap so many times including the most important 3rd down of the game.

[Popps]

We blew the game.....


.... and the refs sucked.

Both can happen, and both did.

[GreatBronco16]

I'm not blaming the refs for the loss


According to this thread you are. But yeah, get the f*ck out of here.

[manchambo]

We blew the game.....


.... and the refs sucked.

Both can happen, and both did..

Exactly. All this don't blame the refs after a loss talk is as meanigful as any other worhtless football cliche. Might as well say "we got to take it one game at a time" or "on any given Sunday."

The fact of the matter is that the officiating was abysmal. I haven't even heard anyone talk about the blatant interference/illegal contact (not sure if the ball was in the air yet) on Rod Smith. That non-call wouldn't bother me much if they hadn't called the donkeys repeatedly for failing to get out of the way quickly enough when plexiglass pushed off.

Of course the donks should have hit that field goal or converted another 3rd down or stopped them at the end. A championship type team would have made a play somewhere. But that fact doesn't cure the defects in the officiating.

[Taco John]

Of course the donks should have hit that field goal or converted another 3rd down or stopped them at the end. A championship type team would have made a play somewhere. But that fact doesn't cure the defects in the officiating.


Yes it does. If we execute, we take the game out of the refs hands. We had every opportunity, and we blew it.

[watermock]

Yes it does. If we execute, we take the game out of the refs hands. We had every opportunity, and we blew it.

I agree, but it doesn't eliminate their influence.

[Taco John]

I don't know how to say it any plainer. We had the game under control despite the refs when Champ Bailey intercepted the ball in the fourth quarter. Nothing that happened after that can be blamed on the refs. We had the game under control. All we need is three. Three measley points after our biggest playmaker made the most spectacular defensive play we've seen all season.

I don't know how to say it any plainer.

[24champ]

I don't know how to say it any plainer. We had the game under control despite the refs when Champ Bailey intercepted the ball in the fourth quarter. Nothing that happened after that can be blamed on the refs. We had the game under control. All we need is three. Three measley points after our biggest playmaker made the most spectacular defensive play we've seen all season.

I don't know how to say it any plainer.
Maybe you should draw it out for people that dont understand it....

[GreatBronco16]

Maybe you should draw it out for people that dont understand it....


Even if he did, people like mock still wouldn't get it.

[Popps]

Yes it does. If we execute, we take the game out of the refs hands. We had every opportunity, and we blew it.

To an extent, you're right. But there is a limit of what a team can overcome. We WERE playing another professional football team out there today.

That bomb to Burress should have never happened. Warren was absolutely held on that play, right on clear view. (See the pics)

That let them back in the game. If a close game is just the result of one team making a few more big plays than another, those things matter.

Normally, yes... it all evens out. Today, the officiating crew did not call offensive holding properly for the entire game and it worked to NY's advantage.

It's an observation. People are venting. Elam should have made the kick... the defense shouldn't have allowed a 90 yard TD drive, etc.

But, the officiating was ALSO much, much worse than usual. The last time I thought the officials screwed us that much was the KC game a couple years back. (With the many clips on Danity's return.)

You won't hear me bitch about refs much, but today was bad.

[Kaylore]

To an extent, you're right. But there is a limit of what a team can overcome. We WERE playing another professional football team out there today.

That bomb to Burress should have never happened. Warren was absolutely held on that play, right on clear view. (See the pics)

That let them back in the game. If a close game is just the result of one team making a few more big plays than another, those things matter.

Normally, yes... it all evens out. Today, the officiating crew did not call offensive holding properly for the entire game and it worked to NY's advantage.

It's an observation. People are venting. Elam should have made the kick... the defense shouldn't have allowed a 90 yard TD drive, etc.

But, the officiating was ALSO much, much worse than usual. The last time I thought the officials screwed us that much was the KC game a couple years back. (With the many clips on Danity's return.)

You won't hear me b**** about refs much, but today was bad.
Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm usually the one after a loss trying to calm people down and get them to see perspective. I'm absolutey furious about this game. **** the refs.

[Popps]

Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm usually the one after a loss trying to calm people down and get them to see perspective. I'm absolutey furious about this game. **** the refs.

I keep two TV's going during the games. I had the Cowgals/Seagals on the small screen. At one point, I looked over and a Seattle pass-rusher was grabbed from behind by the jersey... and the flag flew in faster than I could point and say... "see, that's ****ing holding!."

This officiating crew was either given instructions to just "let the linemen play"... or they have a drastically different interpretation of the rules than any other crew I've seen.

[24champ]

Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm usually the one after a loss trying to calm people down and get them to see perspective. I'm absolutey furious about this game. **** the refs.
You need a girl dude....that would mellow you out some.;)

[Kaylore]

I keep two TV's going during the games. I had the Cowgals/Seagals on the small screen. At one point, I looked over and a Seattle pass-rusher was grabbed from behind by the jersey... and the flag flew in faster than I could point and say... "see, that's ****ing holding!."

This officiating crew was either given instructions to just "let the linemen play"... or they have a drastically different interpretation of the rules than any other crew I've seen. I'm telling you the league wants the $ from the spoiled douche-beg self-centered jokes of people that are New York fans. The Yankees are out of the press and a late come back drive against a "hot" team is exactly what the NFL was looking for to take advantage of the media vacuum and suck up money. Watch the Manning jersey sales start going off the charts. **** the giants.

[DomCasual]

I think some ref bashing is deserved. The reason being is because when the Broncos win, pretty much the whole board has been bashing the refs. It's not like we say the refs are brilliant when we win and bad when we lose.

It seems like a trend this season IMO... We've been seeing it on nationally televised games, we've been seeing it in Bronco games and everywhere in between.

I think there is a line between calling out bad officiating and blaming the refs for a loss. I don't blame the refs for this loss. We had more than enough opportunities to win. But I think there were a ton of bad calls, that's for damn sure.
Okay, but explain to me why the refs would logically have any bias against the Broncos? What would they have to gain from calling things one way or another? What would the league have to gain from instructing the refs to call a game one way or another?

I don't deny that there seemed to be some blatant missed calls the past few weeks - especially holding calls. But I just don't buy the consipiracy tone that many seem to take everytime their team loses.

[Kaylore]

Okay, but explain to me why the refs would logically have any bias against the Broncos? What would they have to gain from calling things one way or another? What would the league have to gain from instructing the refs to call a game one way or another?

I don't deny that there seemed to be some blatant missed calls the past few weeks - especially holding calls. But I just don't buy the consipiracy tone that many seem to take everytime their team loses. They don't hate on the Broncos, they want to see a New York team do well. If you don't think that market influences these people than explain why they are so desperate to get a team to LA.

[DomCasual]

They don't hate on the Broncos, they want to see a New York team do well. If you don't think that market influences these people than explain why they are so desperate to get a team to LA.
I don't see how the two relate. Sure they want teams in the largest markets. But what does that have to do with the refs improperly calling games?

[DomCasual]

They don't hate on the Broncos, they want to see a New York team do well. If you don't think that market influences these people than explain why they are so desperate to get a team to LA.
And get that damn finger out of my face before I go and bite it off, Khanny-boy!:laugh:

[Blueflame]

I don't see how the two relate. Sure they want teams in the largest markets. But what does that have to do with the refs improperly calling games?

A few years back, Phil Luckett's officiating crew mistook Vinny Testaverde's helmet for the football (the ball never crossed the plane of the goal line). Pre-replay, it stood as a touchdown... deciding the outcome of the game, costing the Seahags a playoff berth and ending Dennis Erickson's tenure in Seattle. The (erroneous) call had repercussions for the Seahawks and for Dennis Erickson... why did Luckett's bunglers (who were responsible for the fiasco) remain unscathed? ???

[elsid13]

The ref didn't help, but in the end it comes down to execution and that something that was missing in couple of key plays yesterday. This team needs to learn to put the game out of reach in the 4th.

[Liebs]

as long as I see warren and pryce tackled on 4-6 occassions (including this game) with no flag to speak of, I;m going to question the refs.

not to mention the weak ass PI calls that were non existent.

I blame the refs and the coaching staff on this one

[loborugger]

The refs called a mediocre game. What gets me is how you rush for 200 yards and come up with only 23 points. Just on that fact (200 yds rushing) we shoulda won this game going away. I wondered about our play calling at times, too. We lack a serious killer instinct. However, this lose is like the Miami lose. It gives up something to build on. We are still in the hunt and control our own destiny.

[OrangeShadow]

its hard to not complain when you count the amount of holding calls they missed

[Dr. Broncenstein]

that block in the back call set me off...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I can't believe how weak people are. We had every opportunity both on offense and defense to put this game away and people can't shut up about the refs... Sickening.

3 BLATANT calls missed on their last 2 drives that allowed them to win the game but I after I seen "coach of the year" and "home playoff" threads this week I figured karma might get us.

[Beantown Bronco]

I don't know how to say it any plainer. We had the game under control despite the refs when Champ Bailey intercepted the ball in the fourth quarter. Nothing that happened after that can be blamed on the refs.

How about when the Steelers had the ball after that at midfield....3rd and 5...and Plexiglass catches a six yard pass? He was clearly out of bounds before making the catch (when Manning was scrambling), came back into the field and caught the ball at the sidelines. Should've been a penalty for illegal touching and would've made it 4th and 10 with about 3 minutes left. They may have punted the ball there (because they still had 2 or 3 timeouts) and changed the whole ending of the game.

Holding and PI penalties are somewhat subjective, but this specific play was clearly missed. I put that one on the refs easily. Pretty tough for the defense to step up and make a stand when the gods (and the zebras, apparently) are clearly against them.....

[Riddi]

I would rather complain about the SHanny's play calling in the fourth quarter...especially after Bailey's pick. BUt the ref were crap today...win or lose.

[Mile High Shack]

I do hate Jeff Triplett though

I can't remember a good game he has ever called

[BroncoInferno]

Champ Bailey made the most beautiful interception I can remember seeing in a Broncos uniform, and to capitalize on it we went three and out. I can't believe anybody is complaining about the refs.

After the offense gave the defense a 13 point 4th quarter cushion, I can't believe anyone is complaining about one three and out.

[jmz313]

Johnny grier (sp?). Is the Best referee and it rubs off on his crew.

Maybe I'm overzealous after watching him serve the Raven's 2 weeks ago.

[BigRedChief]

I do hate Jeff Triplett though

I can't remember a good game he has ever called

You remember specfic refs and their games?::)

[Mile High Shack]

You remember specfic refs and their games?::)

ask most bronco fans and they have stories about Jeff Triplett

so yes

I do remember games

and his "hoeding" calls

[clarker]

This is not an either or type of thing. The refs sucked out loud yesterday and so did the Broncos didn't make enough plays in the 4th quarter to win.

Broncos fans were not the only ones who thought the Giants were allowed to hold, Jim Armstrong of the Post thought so as well. And some of the PI calls on Bailey were a joke.

On the other hand the game should have been over when Champ picks of Manning with 4:46 left. The Giants should have got the ball with only 30-45 seconds left, if at all, and the Broncos should have had another FG at the least.

[Old Dude]

Wow. I got a weird sense of deja vu reading this thread.

I do think the Giants got away with numerous holds & tackles on G. Warren.

But like I said elsewhere, in a game this close, you can point to any number of things as making the difference.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Hoeding..... LOL

[Mile High Shack]

Hoeding..... LOL

I hate that speech impediment MFer

:)

[bronco militia]

You remember specfic refs and their games?::)


oh yeah.... Mike Carry and his crew can and have been just as bad as Triplet in the past.

[NaptownChief]

Rep for Taco....I watched most of the game yesterday and didn't see any calls that really stood out. Every game ever played will have some calls that if you want to be extremely critical and dissect the film for hours that you could question but that is normal and happens in every game. Anyone trying to use officiating in this game as an excuse is nothing more than a non-credible pathetic cry baby.

Good for you Taco for calling them out.

[Liebs]

Rep for Taco....I watched most of the game yesterday and didn't see any calls that really stood out. Every game ever played will have some calls that if you want to be extremely critical and dissect the film for hours that you could question but that is normal and happens in every game. Anyone trying to use officiating in this game as an excuse is nothing more than a non-credible pathetic cry baby.

Good for you Taco for calling them out.
did you see the one where the giant receiver stepped out of bounds, then came back in to make the catch. that is called illegal

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Rep for Taco....I watched most of the game yesterday and didn't see any calls that really stood out. Every game ever played will have some calls that if you want to be extremely critical and dissect the film for hours that you could question but that is normal and happens in every game. Anyone trying to use officiating in this game as an excuse is nothing more than a non-credible pathetic cry baby.

Good for you Taco for calling them out.
Of course you didn't H. Keller.


Says slick who was hallucinating and crying about semis taking away teams.

[NaptownChief]

did you see the one where the giant receiver stepped out of bounds, then came back in to make the catch. that is called illegal


Was he pushed out? Even if he wasn't there has never in the history of football been the perfectly called game and never will be. Only officiating worth crying about IMHO is if there absolute gross negligence by an official or shows a huge biased tendency with all close calls going one way. Missing a guy stepping out of bounds hardly falls under either category unless the guy truly saw it and was intentionally cheating by not calling it.

[NaptownChief]

Of course you didn't H. Keller.


Says slick who was hallucinating and crying about semis taking away teams.



Run out of tissue already? Poor slugger...whole world is out to get him.

[ro_50]

Cant complain about the refs. Broncos choked away the game.

Its another fourth-quarter meltdown, only this time it cost them the game.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Was he pushed out? Even if he wasn't there has never in the history of football been the perfectly called game and never will be. Only officiating worth crying about IMHO is if there absolute gross negligence by an official or shows a huge biased tendency with all close calls going one way. Missing a guy stepping out of bounds hardly falls under either category unless the guy truly saw it and was intentionally cheating by not calling it.

You seen the game, didn't you Helen? You said you did. That means you seen the phanton PI and Pryce and Warren tackled on the last 2 drives and no call, right?

[bendog]

I wonder if the jagwads interior line is getting held like warren is? Last week too.

nappy, like it or not, two miscalls cost den the game. absent either of them, Den wins. But, Den should have over come them. The Giants are just not that good a defensive team.

[SoonerBronco]

did you see the one where the giant receiver stepped out of bounds, then came back in to make the catch. that is called illegal

Consider the source. Nappy is just here to cause trouble. Other than Warren getting held every other play, pass interferences, and the call mentioned above, the zebras did an okay job...

Elam...Mr. High priced kicker...make the freaking field goal!!!! If he makes that then no one is bitching today...

[bendog]

Consider the source. Nappy is just here to cause trouble. Other than Warren getting held every other play, pass interferences, and the call mentioned above, the zebras did an okay job...

Elam...Mr. High priced kicker...make the freaking field goal!!!! If he makes that then no one is b****ing today...
blaxico mugged champ early and often, and the zebras called them on champ more oftne than not.

[errand]

Champ Bailey made the most beautiful interception I can remember seeing in a Broncos uniform, and to capitalize on it we went three and out. I can't believe anybody is complaining about the refs.

Was that INT before or after Jake and the offense staked the D to another double digit 4th qtr lead?

..........and did it preceed the Giants 87 yard TD drive with the game on the line?

[Crushaholic]

Elam...Mr. High priced kicker...make the freaking field goal!!!! If he makes that then no one is b****ing today...

Someone will ALWAYS be bitching, but your point is well taken...Ha!

[bendog]

gimme 3-4 with a 48ydr in joisey anyday.

[errand]

Does it look like the defense is in prevent when they are doing bad?

I didn't see much difference in the D from quarter to quarter. Coyer blitzed from all angles.

What I noticed was our high touted secondary players getting burned on crucial moments.

...the amazing thing is Lenny Walls is often maligned on here, and yet again he's not th eguy allowing the TD passes.

[NaptownChief]

Must suck to be you guys to have the officials out there only missing the calls that hurt your team...amazing they didn't miss any calls that hurt the Giants. Clearly a league agenda to help the New York basd team and to help their favorite son, Manning 3.0

[Mile High Shack]

Must suck to be you guys to have the officials out there only missing the calls that hurt your team...amazing they didn't miss any calls that hurt the Giants. Clearly a league agenda to help the New York basd team and to help their favorite son, Manning 3.0

did you happen to see that call against Alexander?

[bendog]

must suck to have to post about games you apparantly diddn't watch.

but den should've won anyway.

[errand]

After the offense gave the defense a 13 point 4th quarter cushion, I can't believe anyone is complaining about one three and out.

....then you don't understand TJ. He blames 35 point in the first half offensive explosions by our opponents on the O, so why wouldn't he blame a 24-23 loss on them?

[NaptownChief]

must suck to have to post about games you apparantly diddn't watch.

but den should've won anyway.



Oh I watched it alright and boy did I enjoy it...Manning 3.0 coming down in the final minute to rip the Donkey's hearts out of their chest and parade around the arena with the dead body was one of the finer moments in the 2005 NFL season to date.

I'm just glad the league and all the officials are out to get you guys or otherwise you would certainly be 7-0 and on your way to having the 72 Dolphins crying in their beers after week 17.

[Play2win]

I won't blame the Refs, BUT...

When the hell does denver get enough respect that they don't get held EVERY FREAKING PLAY and not get called for it anymore!!!! :cuss:

Teams are going to keep holding us until the refs start calling it. It puts us in a supreme disadvantage.

The only difference from Trevor Pryce being on the Horse Trailer (KC Game) and this game is IDIOT Larry Tripplet & CO. not calling SH!T. Complete and Utter BS!!!! :cuss:

[Mile High Shack]

Oh I watched it alright and boy did I enjoy it...Manning 3.0 coming down in the final minute to rip the Donkey's hearts out of their chest and parade around the arena with the dead body was one of the finer moments in the 2005 NFL season to date.

I'm just glad the league and all the officials are out to get you guys or otherwise you would certainly be 7-0 and on your way to having the 72 Dolphins crying in their beers after week 17.

did you happen to see the call against Alexander?

so you think it was a good call?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Must suck to be you guys to have the officials out there only missing the calls that hurt your team...amazing they didn't miss any calls that hurt the Giants. Clearly a league agenda to help the New York basd team and to help their favorite son, Manning 3.0

Must suck to be you, always smooching on a manning bag.

[bendog]

Oh I watched it alright and boy did I enjoy it...Manning 3.0 coming down in the final minute to rip the Donkey's hearts out of their chest and parade around the arena with the dead body was one of the finer moments in the 2005 NFL season to date.

I'm just glad the league and all the officials are out to get you guys or otherwise you would certainly be 7-0 and on your way to having the 72 Dolphins crying in their beers after week 17.
then you're an asshole trool.

[NaptownChief]

Must suck to be you, always smooching on a manning bag.



Not near as bad as always grabbing your ankles with bare arse in the air while the Manning boys take turns on you...To have this happen just a couple weeks after having the sutures removed from last seasons playoff debacle has to make it even more tender.

[ludo21]

did you happen to see the call against Alexander?

so you think it was a good call?


or the phantom ian gold call.

After watching it again, it is clear the only reason shanny threw the flag was to make the refs watch their mistake over and over again.

After the ref came out he could barely talk and there is no reason to re hash the penalty that was called. What bs, i dont care what people say, DL getting held(not ticky tacky holding) has a huge impact on the game. When our DE's are running by the OL and getting tackled and there are 'no calls' it has an effect on everyone else on the D and on the QB who gets that extra 3 seconds.

[Play2win]

or the phantom ian gold call.

After watching it again, it is clear the only reason shanny threw the flag was to make the refs watch their mistake over and over again.

After the ref came out he could barely talk and there is no reason to re hash the penalty that was called. What bs, i dont care what people say, DL getting held(not ticky tacky holding) has a huge impact on the game. When our DE's are running by the OL and getting tackled and there are 'no calls' it has an effect on everyone else on the D and on the QB who gets that extra 3 seconds.

NO SH!T !!!

And if they don't start calling it, Guess What, Every team is going to do it to us UNTIL it starts to get call. UTTER and COMPLETE BULL-SH!T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cuss:

[TerrElway]

It was beautiful, more beautiful than the one he made in New Orleans last year. I want to complain about the refs, I really do, but I am not going to. This is what I have a problem with:

4-6-NYG31 (5:24) J.Elam 49 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer.
---------------------------------------------------------------
3-5-DEN47 (3:56) J.Plummer pass incomplete to T.Bell (W.Allen).

Third and 5, why are you throwing it to Tater Tot who was covered like a glove? Why are you throwing to him anyway. Where's Rod? Where's Putz? Where's that little option Pitch? WHERE THE HELL IS A SCREEN IN THIS OFFENSE?

You want to get Tatum out in space and involved in the passing game, get him a screen. :deadhorse

[orangeatheist]

Naptown...another a-hole who gets to go on "ignore.'

TJ? Is there a way to get Chief fans who sign up here to go on auto-ignore? I mean, I can take a loss but I can't take Chief fans who lay quiet during their own meltdowns and then come in on a ONE game Bronc loss and feel they have the insight to make any meaningful comments. I mean, seriously, Nappy lying about watching the game and thinking the refs didn't aid "Manning 3.0" down the field in that final drive. What a 'tard.

[NaptownChief]

Naptown...another a-hole who gets to go on "ignore.'

TJ? Is there a way to get Chief fans who sign up here to go on auto-ignore? I mean, I can take a loss but I can't take Chief fans who lay quiet during their own meltdowns and then come in on a ONE game Bronc loss and feel they have the insight to make any meaningful comments. I mean, seriously, Nappy lying about watching the game and thinking the refs didn't aid "Manning 3.0" down the field in that final drive. What a 'tard.



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[Play2win]

Naptown...another a-hole who gets to go on "ignore.'

TJ? Is there a way to get Chief fans who sign up here to go on auto-ignore? I mean, I can take a loss but I can't take Chief fans who lay quiet during their own meltdowns and then come in on a ONE game Bronc loss and feel they have the insight to make any meaningful comments. I mean, seriously, Nappy lying about watching the game and thinking the refs didn't aid "Manning 3.0" down the field in that final drive. What a 'tard.

What took you so long, that Jack-off has been on my IDIOT LIST for well over a Year!!!

Now if People would just Stop Quoting him...

[NaptownChief]

What took you so long, that Jack-off has been on my IDIOT LIST for well over a Year!!!

Now if People would just Stop Quoting him...



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[~Crash~]

I'm not blaming the refs for the loss...I'm calling out pubiak yet again...3rd and 2 and he empties the backfield to almost throw an INT? You just go off tackle for the two yards and run clock.

Does it again and doesn't expect a blitz?

the fact still remains the refs had a major role in the game...we still should of won...Im out.

I am so sick of Kubiak god I want him gone.

Well he will be gone after this year he hill be coaching the texans or Texas A&M

[SoonerBronco]

Must suck to be you guys to have the officials out there only missing the calls that hurt your team...amazing they didn't miss any calls that hurt the Giants. Clearly a league agenda to help the New York basd team and to help their favorite son, Manning 3.0

Must suck to be second place in the division behind us right now....Hilarious!

[~Crash~]

IMHO, the problems started with playcalling ... on both sides of the ball. When the running game is working, why in the hell do we suddenly go to the empty backfield? And what does a "prevent" defense usually do besides prevent you from winning?

The post of the year .

Mike Anderson would have won that game for us yesterday and for the life of me we were throwing to tater on 3rd down what the $$$*($ were they thinking !!!!!!!!!!

[NaptownChief]

Must suck to be second place in the division behind us right now....Hilarious!



Sucks real bad knowing that come Dec 4th at Arrowhead we have the division lead outright if we protect our home turf against the Donks which we have done 5 out of the last 6 seasons...:unamused:

[SoonerBronco]

Sucks real bad knowing that come Dec 4th at Arrowhead we have the division lead outright if we protect our home turf against the Donks which we have done 5 out of the last 6 seasons...:unamused:

If you handicap your NFL like you do college football, then I REALLY like our chances!:hitself:

[~Crash~]

its hard to not complain when you count the amount of holding calls they missed

They did not mis them .

[NaptownChief]

If you handicap your NFL like you do college football, then I REALLY like our chances!:hitself:


I called the Baylor cover....missed on the Hoosiers.... .500 is pretty good for a bad week I suppose.

[~Crash~]

Oh I watched it alright and boy did I enjoy it...Manning 3.0 coming down in the final minute to rip the Donkey's hearts out of their chest and parade around the arena with the dead body was one of the finer moments in the 2005 NFL season to date.

I'm just glad the league and all the officials are out to get you guys or otherwise you would certainly be 7-0 and on your way to having the 72 Dolphins crying in their beers after week 17.


I hope you play the Giant's this season I have not bothered to look . I could give a rats ass about your team . you will have deserve what you will come up with........

[~Crash~]

Not near as bad as always grabbing your ankles with bare arse in the air while the Manning boys take turns on you...To have this happen just a couple weeks after having the sutures removed from last seasons playoff debacle has to make it even more tender.

you are now on igy

[NaptownChief]

I hope you play the Giant's this season I have not bothered to look . I could give a rats ass about your team . you will have deserve what you will come up with........



I remember hearing something very similar about the Dolphins also...that worked out just fine.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not near as bad as always grabbing your ankles with bare arse in the air while the Manning boys take turns on you...To have this happen just a couple weeks after having the sutures removed from last seasons playoff debacle has to make it even more tender.

LOL
Hey douchebag, how would you know what's worse between smooching the manning boys sacks and grabbing your ankles letting the "boys" take turns on you?

[SoonerBronco]

you are now on igy

Nappy - here to piss everyone off! Don't listen to him Crash...he's a chefs fan, they are all delusional.

[NaptownChief]

LOL
Hey douchebag, how would you know what's worse between smooching the manning boys sacks and grabbing your ankles letting the "boys" take turns on you?



Spider told me.

[Iowanian]

Did someone Cut-paste this thread?

I swear the same one flared up when Dante returned the Kick for a TD, and Jake and the Plummints couldn't score a fg in 8 minutes and 2 possessions.

The Donk line is the one known for holding and getting away with it....and I wonder how many leg whips they got away with vs the eli's? How many times did the Donk Oline not get called trying to roll into an ankle?

If they'd only had their 3rd round draft pick, instead of losing it to cheat on the salary cap..they could have won.

The Giants pulled up the Donk D's dress during the 4th quarter. The refs had nothing to do with that.

[bendog]

damndest things pop up when refs job a team. It's one thing when bad calls go both ways, but honestly I can think of a call that jobbed the giants. And I'm not even talkingabout the non calls on pass blocking.

[Play2win]

you are now on igy
Good Job! :thumbsup:

[24champ]

Did someone Cut-paste this thread?

I swear the same one flared up when Dante returned the Kick for a TD, and Jake and the Plummints couldn't score a fg in 8 minutes and 2 possessions.

The Donk line is the one known for holding and getting away with it....and I wonder how many leg whips they got away with vs the eli's? How many times did the Donk Oline not get called trying to roll into an ankle?

If they'd only had their 3rd round draft pick, instead of losing it to cheat on the salary cap..they could have won.

The Giants pulled up the Donk D's dress during the 4th quarter. The refs had nothing to do with that.
I just want to know why you guys cant win at Invesco?

[NaptownChief]

I just want to know why you guys cant win at Invesco?



Same reason you guys don't win at Arrowhead...

[24champ]

Same reason you guys don't win at Arrowhead...
well we won at narrowhead some time ago, im just wondering why you cant EVER win at Invesco....also could ask why you cant win a superbowl?

[NaptownChief]

well we won at narrowhead some time ago, im just wondering why you cant EVER win at Invesco....also could ask why you cant win a superbowl?



Cause the diaphragm hasn't been around that long.

[24champ]

Yeah its funny cheif fans raid the mane when we lose a close game, they had the biggest breakdown any team ever had.....remember the eagles game?_i_O_i_

[NaptownChief]

Yeah its funny cheif fans raid the mane when we lose a close game, they had the biggest breakdown any team ever had.....remember the eagles game?_i_O_i_


I've been around after every win also....If I am going to be around to hear the "we are the greatest team in the league" material then why in the world would you expect me to not be around after a loss?

[Elway 4 Life]

I can't believe how weak people are. We had every opportunity both on offense and defense to put this game away and people can't shut up about the refs... Sickening.


I agree to an extent we gave them that win just like we almost gave up the wins to washington and new england. Whether it be bad play calling bad execution or just the lack of a killer instinct. Now being a die hard fan of a team in any sport the refs are always gonna be the scapegoat when your team loses. If we would have won I would still be complaing about Tripplett and his ref staff for that game. Plaxico Burress is one of the top WR in the league but pushed off to get seperation most every play thrown to him. Champ has trouble with big physical receivers and it doesnt help when he gets pushed around. Gerard warren looked like he was held on most every play. He is a dominant player when hew wants to be and had to be slowed down on most every play with a handful of jersey. Having said all that I still believe that we could have overcome all that with better play....

[24champ]

I've been around after every win also....If I am going to be around to hear the "we are the greatest team in the league" material then why in the world would you expect me to not be around after a loss?
I didnt specifically mention you nappy, although you are posting alot more now than you did last week after our win against the Patsies. Im talking about idiots like Iowanker and other pathetic trolls.

[Iowanian]

You'd think a ref pounded fireants into the peehole of sniveling crybabies like chump.

the refs didn't make the donks got 3 and out, after the INT at the end.

Whaaaaaaaaaah.

[24champ]

You'd think a ref pounded fireants into the peehole of sniveling crybabies like chump.

the refs didn't make the donks got 3 and out, after the INT at the end.

Whaaaaaaaaaah.
Hey retard I didnt say we lost the game because of the refs. Then again maybe if you were born with half a brain you would know something like how to read instead of babbling like an idiot.

[orangeatheist]

What took you so long, that Jack-off has been on my IDIOT LIST for well over a Year!!!

Now if People would just Stop Quoting him...

It took time to put "naptown" on ignore because he was a stealth moron. ;)

[enjolras]

Wanted to toss my two worthless cents in...

The Broncos had plenty of chances to put that game away.. that's absolutely true. But that doesn't change the fact that they where jobbed.. particularly on the plays that really mattered.

The phantom pass interference calls, the holding on Smith on what should have been a huge play.. then you have the holding on the big play that that setup the Giants first score of the 4th quarter. Warren is running right at Manning and one of the linemen has his hands outstretched with Warrens jersey actually taught from the fact the guy was holding onto him. If he doesn't hold, that play doesn't happen...and you have to admit.. that's a big play. The referee couldn't have POSSIBLY missed that call..it happened right in front of the f*ing quarterback. If its not Manning throwing that ball I completely beleive that call is made.

As a fan, that sucks.

[manchambo]

Did someone Cut-paste this thread?

I swear the same one flared up when Dante returned the Kick for a TD, and Jake and the Plummints couldn't score a fg in 8 minutes and 2 possessions.

The Donk line is the one known for holding and getting away with it....and I wonder how many leg whips they got away with vs the eli's? How many times did the Donk Oline not get called trying to roll into an ankle?

If they'd only had their 3rd round draft pick, instead of losing it to cheat on the salary cap..they could have won.

The Giants pulled up the Donk D's dress during the 4th quarter. The refs had nothing to do with that.

That's not a penalty, genius.

[BroncoInferno]

Wanted to toss my two worthless cents in...

The Broncos had plenty of chances to put that game away.. that's absolutely true. But that doesn't change the fact that they where jobbed.. particularly on the plays that really mattered.

The phantom pass interference calls, the holding on Smith on what should have been a huge play.. then you have the holding on the big play that that setup the Giants first score of the 4th quarter. Warren is running right at Manning and one of the linemen has his hands outstretched with Warrens jersey actually taught from the fact the guy was holding onto him. If he doesn't hold, that play doesn't happen...and you have to admit.. that's a big play. The referee couldn't have POSSIBLY missed that call..it happened right in front of the f*ing quarterback. If its not Manning throwing that ball I completely beleive that call is made.

As a fan, that sucks.

Good god, that was awful. I was screaming at the TV. It looked like Warren was giving the guy a piggy back ride. Where the hell was the call? Pitiful.

[Play2win]

This is the way I look at it, we were completely screwed by the refs. That happens every now and then to most teams. Good Teams overcome the Bad Calls. Yes, sometimes even this many...

BUT, you can only do it for so long. Eventually the Levy is going to Break. Ever since the Qweefs game we have been screwed to some degree by the refs. Especially in the Offensive Holding No-Calls. That has been just ridiculous. We have been overcoming All the bad calls, but yesterday we just couldn't quite pull it off.

Now, we have got to play another one of the NFL Refs Charitable causes in the E-Girls. So I expect more of the same...

But hopefully after next week, we can get alittle bit more of an even playing field...

[ludo21]

Wanted to toss my two worthless cents in...

The Broncos had plenty of chances to put that game away.. that's absolutely true. But that doesn't change the fact that they where jobbed.. particularly on the plays that really mattered.

The phantom pass interference calls, the holding on Smith on what should have been a huge play.. then you have the holding on the big play that that setup the Giants first score of the 4th quarter. Warren is running right at Manning and one of the linemen has his hands outstretched with Warrens jersey actually taught from the fact the guy was holding onto him. If he doesn't hold, that play doesn't happen...and you have to admit.. that's a big play. The referee couldn't have POSSIBLY missed that call..it happened right in front of the f*ing quarterback. If its not Manning throwing that ball I completely beleive that call is made.

As a fan, that sucks.

well those 2 worthless cents are exactly my thought too.

I also agree with Play2, its not like this is the first game we have gotten no flags in our favor, the past 2 games where we should have put the game away(we didnt) the main reason the Pats and Skins had good last drives were because of killer BLATANT holding calls.


another question on holding: Is pushing a defender in the back when he beats the Ol holding? Im not sure.

[ROYC75]

I can't believe how weak people are. We had every opportunity both on offense and defense to put this game away and people can't shut up about the refs... Sickening.


Props to you ! But FTR, that's common with alot of fans of NFL teams.

[broncosteven]

I am more pissed that The giants kicker nailed a 45+ ydr (I thought it was 52 also) & Elam missed one to clinch the game. That coupled with coyer rushing 3 guys at one point & not covering Shocky was the nail in the coffin.

Oh well at least Shanny is consitent. Great start every year coupled by Halloween hell for 3-5 weeks. This year is shaping up just like last 3, Philly is tough & we will be lucky to scrape out a win against them & go into Oakland game 6-2.

[Bronx33]

holding should be called if commited 3 out of four plays........i'am done.:thumbsup:

[broncosteven]

holding should be called if commited 3 out of four plays........i'am done.:thumbsup:

I agree, we both saw it & were on the game thread as it happened. I think we should send Warren to acting school so he learns to go down & act like he is being held. I have never seen Jerseys pulled that hard since Earl Campbell wore his breakaway jerseys in the 70's.

[~Crash~]

heck warrens body was going backwards and feet forward yes that was blant . I thought I was watching WWF. the ref 's were on the take . how did you like all of the replays of that play not showing the hold !!!!!! that play won the game for the giants

[No1BroncoFan]

Did someone Cut-paste this thread?

I swear the same one flared up when Dante returned the Kick for a TD, and Jake and the Plummints couldn't score a fg in 8 minutes and 2 possessions.

The Donk line is the one known for holding and getting away with it....and I wonder how many leg whips they got away with vs the eli's? How many times did the Donk Oline not get called trying to roll into an ankle?

If they'd only had their 3rd round draft pick, instead of losing it to cheat on the salary cap..they could have won.

The Giants pulled up the Donk D's dress during the 4th quarter. The refs had nothing to do with that.
Iowanker actually has the sack to show up here again? I'd never have believed it. His piss poor takes never stand up and he usually has to fall back on personal attacks. Fortunately, he usually only shows up after a Bronco loss so we don't have to deal with this troll that often.

Ben

[~Crash~]

I had Iowanker on Igy for mounths I took retard of for 3 minets and he sent a reputation to me and I remimbered what a douch he was ....back to IGY

[TheReverend]

YOU quit complaining about the refs

[ZachKC]

I had Iowanker on Igy for mounths I took retard of for 3 minets and he sent a reputation to me and I remimbered what a douch he was ....back to IGY
Ok so, I am usually not one to bust someone for spelling but...

Wow.

[ZachKC]

YOU quit complaining about the refs
CryBabyMane.com

Hooray!!

[~Crash~]

Ok so, I am usually not one to bust someone for spelling but...

Wow.

_i_O_i_ was this better for you lol