great job Elam!

[SoCalBronco]

:TJnPopps: Just make that one kick and we win.

[Popps]

I knew he wasn't going to make that kick. I don't know why, I just knew it. It almost would have made things "too easy," at that point... and that's not the way our season has gone.

He's an above average kicker. That's about all, at this point. He connected on a long ball earlier that a lot of kickers would have missed.

Our defense let Manning march nearly 90 yards in two minutes for a TD. Please tell me I'm not going to have to explain to people around here why we lost this game all week. (?)

[Sassy]

Yeah...Jason's FG could have won it...but that's not why we lost...
My "Goat" goes to the refs...we had this game won, almost, in spite of them.

...and Toomer was the one that messed up our perfect season before :devil:

[Goobzilla]

"It's not a Toomer!"

All kidding aside this one was a gut punch, no doubt. So many coulda shoulda woulda moments in todays game it makes me angry. Elam's not the only one wearing goat horns tonight IMO.

[Bronco LB 59]

Elam is no longer one of the NFL's top five kickers, but I put more blame on the offense who couldn't turn more scoring opportunties into 6 points instead of 3.

[TheReverend]

I knew this was going to happen...

[Goobzilla]

Elam is 10-16 (62.5%) on the season, career avg is 79.1%. The kicks that made him money in the past (40+ yds) are not there like they used to be.

[Sideburn]

10-16? That is pretty bad...actually that's down right awful.

[ludo21]

10-16? That is pretty bad...actually that's down right awful.


can Ernster kcik Fg's?

[SoCalBronco]

Im amazed Faderproof hasnt posted in this thread yet. :)

[Sideburn]

can Ernster kcik Fg's?
I dunno. I say they spend a second at the latest on Mason Crosby if he comes out in the draft this year. We'd have a cannon for a leg for 15 years.

[SoCalBronco]

10/16 is really poor though.

[db56]

Elam has lost a step, I hate to say it but my stomach turns in crucial spots from more than 25 yards. He's won a lot of games for us but he is just not reliable anymore.

[Rascal]

Kicking there is really tough, but that's what he gets paid to do.

If anything I'm more pissed off with the call to throw to Bell on that crucial third down and stopping the clock.

Not to mention that phantom block in the back call on S Alexander.

[Goobzilla]

Not to mention that phantom block in the back call on S Alexander.

Thanks for peeling the band-aid off of that wound. That call flat out sucked.

[ludo21]

Thanks for peeling the band-aid off of that wound. That call flat out sucked.


dont forget the play where the camera man couldnt even find Gold on the field when he interfered with Plax. :tearhair:

[brom66an6]

Kicking there is really tough, but that's what he gets paid to do.

If anything I'm more pissed off with the call to throw to Bell on that crucial third down and stopping the clock.

Not to mention that phantom block in the back call on S Alexander.

Would you happen to be talking about this phantom block in the back?

http://www.roostercolo.com/videos/upload/files/brom66a_nicecalluniref.zip

[Crushaholic]

Not to mention that phantom block in the back call on S Alexander.

Yeah...WTF was that all about? They can see someone barely touch a defender...if he even made contact at all, but they can't see the holding the Giants were doing all day long...~Popps~

[Sassy]

Elam has lost a step, I hate to say it but my stomach turns in crucial spots from more than 25 yards. He's won a lot of games for us but he is just not reliable anymore.
He kicked a 49 yarder earlier in the game...I'm sure a few teams might like that! :saywhat:

[Rascal]

Would you happen to be talking about this phantom block in the back?

http://www.roostercolo.com/videos/upload/files/brom66a_nicecalluniref.zip

Sorry I'm on 56k and that would crash my computer.

[Tw0mey]

Hopefully this is Elam's last year, its about time we get a new kicker.

[FADERPROOF]

Im amazed Faderproof hasnt posted in this thread yet. :)

Becuase I brought this up a couple of weeks ago and got absolutely hammered for criticizing such a great Broncos player like Jason Elam.

Fact is, Jason Elam has never missed a field goal in his career, it has been the hold, or the wet ground, or the wind, or any other thing that people can think of to prevent Elam from any kind of blame whatsoever for missing a field goal.

Elam was 3/3 yesterday, the wind was 0/1...Elam is still perfect on the year.

[DomCasual]

Becuase I brought this up a couple of weeks ago and got absolutely hammered for criticizing such a great Broncos player like Jason Elam.

Fact is, Jason Elam has never missed a field goal in his career, it has been the hold, or the wet ground, or the wind, or any other thing that people can think of to prevent Elam from any kind of blame whatsoever for missing a field goal.

Elam was 3/3 yesterday, the wind was 0/1...Elam is still perfect on the year.
:unamused:

You're killin' me, Fader. Just killin' me!

[rbackfactory80]

well Jose Cortez just got released from Dallas, not!

[noom]

:tearhair: It was more than a missed field goal. :tearhair:

[ro_50]

Is Elam washed up or what. I have always thought of him as top 5 kicker till this season.

What is his % from 40 yards and beyond. I dont think its pretty.

He's not the sole reason they lost, but clutch kickers like Vinaterri make those.

Elam is no longer a clutch kicker.

[broncogary]

He kicked a 49 yarder earlier in the game...I'm sure a few teams might like that! :saywhat:

Every kicker in the league can make a 49 yarder. I don't mind having Elam on the team, but he's way overpaid.

[DomCasual]

Every kicker in the league can make a 49 yarder. I don't mind having Elam on the team, but he's way overpaid.
Compared to whom?

[bendog]

He had two mishandled by the snap early in the year. He missed badly in the second game. Yesterday, he hit on 75%, and 50% from 48 yds. He's not the kicker he was, and he's no longer a sure thing from 40-50. But bagging on his performance YESTERDAY as the reason for the loss is lame. MA played a fine game. So did RSmith. But, Den screwed up in all phases, and sourpuss was the the kicker with the worse game.

[FADERPROOF]

Is Elam washed up or what. I have always thought of him as top 5 kicker till this season.

What is his % from 40 yards and beyond. I dont think its pretty.

He's not the sole reason they lost, but clutch kickers like Vinaterri make those.

Elam is no longer a clutch kicker.

Exactly why I consider Vinatieri the best K in the league.

I'd rather have a K go 1/4 with the GW FG rather than a K go 3/4 with that one miss being the game.

[ZachKC]

Elam didn't miss, the ball just didn't go through the uprights.

[FADERPROOF]

Elam didn't miss, the ball just didn't go through the uprights.

Damn right, Elam has never missed a kick in his entire career.

[bendog]

the guy really stinking it up is vanderjat. look at his stats. ugly.

I think Elams got maybe two years left, if that. He's middle of the pack right now, imo.

[BMF Bronco]

Kind of off the Elam subject but that kicker from the Viqueens, Feeley, impressed the $hit out of me yesterday, game on the line, less than 5 seconds left, a 56 yarder, yatzee!

[ZachKC]

I have been suprised and pleased with out kicker.

[broncogary]

Compared to whom?

Compared to everybody except Warren Sapp.

[FADERPROOF]

Kind of off the Elam subject but that kicker from the Viqueens, Feeley, impressed the $hit out of me yesterday, game on the line, less than 5 seconds left, a 56 yarder, yatzee!

Feeley is the NY Giants kicker, Paul Edinger was the Vikings K that drilled that game winner.

[Hulamau]

Elam hasn't kicked but one or two square and steady down the middle all year. Every one he has made has had way too much movement on the ball.

All careers come to an end and I think we better bring in a top new young kicker as a 2nd round pick next year. One that can hopefully do what Elam did in his hay day for the next 12 years or so. With this kind of nail bitter offense we are fielding these days, we MUST have a reliable and steady kicker from 55 yrds on in.

Plus with a great young kicker that a 2nd round pick should demand, Sourpuss could stick to punting and we could trade Paul Ernster and free up a spot.

Sourpuss kick offs and the totally lousy coverage was a big part of why NY won yesterday giving them such great field position.

The Giants sure have a good kicker!

We kick it in the endzone we win, period.

[tornado927]

Our defense let Manning march nearly 90 yards in two minutes for a TD. Please tell me I'm not going to have to explain to people around here why we lost this game all week. (?)


Actually it was 83 yds in 3:29 with 1 timeout....and 1 of Denver's.... ;D Not that I am dwelling on it.... :cuss:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Every kicker in the league can make a 49 yarder. I don't mind having Elam on the team, but he's way overpaid.

Compared to some of these guys?






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[watermock]

Let it go, we still control our destiny...

The fact is we should of twisted the knife and instead, we are blaming Elam for kicking into a swirling wind with 49 yards? STFU...

Kubiak is an idiot...he ran inside...now do we have an interior line that can punch out two yards in a pinch? NO.

Late in the game we had two play calls...up the middle behind our inferior interiour line....or dump the RB's into Nintendo and say..."I'm Jake...come kick my ass".

If they had called a few more pitch left we would of won the game...easily.

Two of three worked...we had some nice counter plays too...why did they dissapear...you know...the line goes one way and the back looks for the gap...the last quarter we ran up the gut or went nintendo...

EARTH TO KUBIAK...WE DON'T HAVE A THIRD RECIEVER YET ALONE A 5TH.

If you want to run nintendo, at least put DEVO in....he was inactive...so was Watts...

so what the hell were they trotting out on that 5 wide anyway?

BELL!

so Jake fires a good pass way to hard that bounces off his hands. Why does that surprise anyone? It's just stupid coaching.

[Clockwork Orange]

Two words.

Mason Crosby.

[BroncoInferno]

Not to mention that phantom block in the back call on S Alexander.

Also, the bogus interference call on Bailey during the Lynch INT. Nothing even close to pass interference occured on that play.

[troya900]

Also, the bogus interference call on Bailey during the Lynch INT. Nothing even close to pass interference occured on that play.

All of Bailey's PI were weak ass calls. Burress just ran into Bailey on all those plays and pushed off. Even Phil Simms said the defender has just as much right to a spot as the WR does. Burress was the one running into Bailey all day long and pushing off and Bailey stood his ground and got flagged everytime it was just flat out crap officiating on all those calls.

[watermock]

I was chastised about complaining against the calls, but they were rediculous...the PI call on Champ they couldn't even get a number right...yeah they saw that clearly...called it on Gold, and it was on Bailey...

The OL held like a bunch of leeches and it was only called twice I think....on the last drive it was incredible...I couldn't believe it...Denver held when they saw the refs wore coke bottles...the whole game was a joke...Look...I don't like sounding like a bitter biatch, but the OL of the Giants were holding so bad you would have to be I dunno...maybe they decided Golden Boy couldn't be sacked...Someone needs to show these holds...it was rediculous...On the last, desperate drive, I saw 4 plays with holding...I mean real holding...not the tickytack PI they threw at champ....that was BS too...I mean how do you call a penalty on number 52...oops...I didn't get the number right...it was 24...Think about it...How do you call a penalty on a player if you don't even know the number?
That was the most throwing a flag to throw a game that I have ever seen....

Look...I am not into scapegoats...but the more I think about this officiating the more pissed off I get.

If Champ interfered, wouldn't you think they would say 26? Instead of 52?

If you can't remember the jersey, how do you remember hour home phone number. Jesus christ...It was a BS call...totally...now that the NFL.com says it was bailey I'm even more pissed off.

There is no question the game was thrown.

[Clockwork Orange]

If Champ interfered, wouldn't you think they would say 26? Instead of 52?

Not unless they were calling it on Tatum Bell.

[Rock Chalk]

I knew he wasn't going to make that kick. I don't know why, I just knew it. It almost would have made things "too easy," at that point... and that's not the way our season has gone.

He's an above average kicker. That's about all, at this point. He connected on a long ball earlier that a lot of kickers would have missed.

Our defense let Manning march nearly 90 yards in two minutes for a TD. Please tell me I'm not going to have to explain to people around here why we lost this game all week. (?)
You are going to. Apparently, everything is Plummer's fault.

[troya900]

I was chastised about complaining against the calls, but they were rediculous...the PI call on Champ they couldn't even get a number right...yeah they saw that clearly...called it on Gold, and it was on Bailey...

The OL held like a bunch of leeches and it was only called twice I think....on the last drive it was incredible...I couldn't believe it...Denver held when they saw the refs wore coke bottles...the whole game was a joke...Look...I don't like sounding like a bitter biatch, but the OL of the Giants were holding so bad you would have to be I dunno...maybe they decided Golden Boy couldn't be sacked...Someone needs to show these holds...it was rediculous...On the last, desperate drive, I saw 4 plays with holding...I mean real holding...not the tickytack PI they threw at champ....that was BS too...I mean how do you call a penalty on number 52...oops...I didn't get the number right...it was 24...Think about it...How do you call a penalty on a player if you don't even know the number?
That was the most throwing a flag to throw a game that I have ever seen....

Look...I am not into scapegoats...but the more I think about this officiating the more pissed off I get.

If Champ interfered, wouldn't you think they would say 26? Instead of 52?

If you can't remember the jersey, how do you remember hour home phone number. Jesus christ...It was a BS call...totally...now that the NFL.com says it was bailey I'm even more pissed off.

There is no question the game was thrown.

Yup I know bitching about it does no good, but it just stings so much about how many crap calls were made. I know many Washington fans thought they got jobbed in the Denver game, but at least they had calls really go there way such as the catch by Moss where his knee was clearly out of bounds that they still ruled a catch and the weak holding call on Paymah. I mean those two miscues helped Washington on both their TD drives. Only advantage I seen the refs give Denver in the Giants game possibly was the face mask penalty, but he did grab on and twist a little it could have been a five yarder preventing a first down, but that was the only call in the Giants game that even remotely went our way and it wasn't much. The refs favored the Giants in this one the whole damn way.

[minibronco]

It's not just him. It's Coyer as well :p

[broncogary]

Compared to some of these guys?






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I don't know. Here's another take:

Graham, Shayne $375,000 $0 $0 $375,000 $375,000 Bengals

Gramatica, Bill $389,000 $0 $800 $389,800 $499,800 Cardinals

Brown, Kris $700,000 $0 $3,600 $703,600 $953,600 Texans

Longwell, Ryan $1,000,000 $0 $200,800 $1,200,800 $1,600,800 Packers

Dorsch, Travis $300,000 $0 $0 $300,000 $0 Packers

Hanson, Jason $900,000 $0 $800 $900,800 $1,100,800 Lions

Elam, Jason $755,000 $2,675,000 $0 $3,430,000 $1,290,000 Broncos

Cundiff, Billy $300,000 $0 $4,000 $304,000 $304,000 Cowboys

Marler,Seth $225,000 $12,500 $0 $237,500 $229,166 Jaguars

Conway, Brett $530,000 $0 $0 $530,000 $79,412 Browns

Andersen, Morten $755,000 $400,000 $1,000 $1,156,000 $856,000 Chiefs

Edinger, Paul $450,000 $600,000 $1,001,600 $2,051,600 $1,571,600 Bears

Kasay, John $755,000 $0 $204,400 $959,400 $1,298,234 Panthers

Lindell, Rian $450,000 $900,000 $50,000 $1,400,000 $787,500 Bills

Stover, Matt $1,000,000 $0 $3,600 $1,003,600 $1,253,600 Ravens

Richey, Wade $530,000 $0 $0 $530,000 $450,000 Ravens

Feely, Jay $375,000 $0 $4,900 $379,900 $379,900 Falcons

Rackers, Neil $450,000 $140,000 $0 $590,000 $231,960 Cardinals

Dawson, Phil $530,000 $0 $1,700 $531,700 $731,700 Browns

Janikowski, Sebastian $450,000 $0 $25,000 $475,000 $967,833 Raiders

Nedney, Joe $900,000 $0 $101,800 $1,001,800 $1,161,800 Titans

Anderson, Gary $356,384 $423,529 $0 $779,913 $423,529 Titans

Gramatica, Martin $530,000 $0 $2,900 $532,900 $1,107,185 Buccaneers

Wilkins, Jeff $877,500 $0 $151,900 $1,029,400 $1,329,400 Rams

Brown, Josh $225,000 $38,500 $0 $263,500 $237,833 Seahawks

Peterson, Todd $655,000 $0 $0 $655,000 $238,235 49ers

Christie, Steve $730,000 $25,000 $0 $755,000 $450,000 Chargers

Vanderjagt, Mike $530,000 $870,000 $0 $1,400,000 $1,070,000 Colts

Akers, David $775,000 $0 $25,800 $800,800 $925,800 Eagles

Hall, John $530,000 $1,600,000 $3,300 $2,133,300 $853,300 Redskins

Brien, Doug $655,000 $25,000 $2,000 $682,000 $477,000 Jets

Hollis, Mike $655,000 $600,000 $800 $1,255,800 $775,800 Giants

Bryant, Matt $300,000 $0 $4,800 $304,800 $304,800 Giants

Carney, John $755,000 $500,000 $51,400 $1,306,400 $906,400 Saints

Vinatieri, Adam $0 $1,400,000 $254,500 $1,654,500 $2,320,676 Patriots

Elling,Aaron $225,000 $0 $3,600 $228,600 $228,600 Vikings

Mare,Olindo $530,000 $684,706 $0 $1,214,706 $1,403,136 Dolphins

Reed, Jeff $300,000 $0 $4,400 $304,400 $304,400 Steelers
Source: USA Today


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[Bronco_Beerslug]

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Elam's total salary was $760,000 from the USA Today site. The Red Zone site you posted lists it at $3,430,000. Quite the discrepancy!
Guess where Red Zone gets it's numbers, the USA Today.

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/b84fr">USA Today</a>

[No1BroncoFan]

Compared to whom?
Every fvcking kicker that actually kicks-off. We even killed a roster spot this year for him and then he couldn't kick off either. We've got a punter handling kickoffs and a place kicker wasting a roster spot all because of Elam.

Elam of today reminds me a lot of David Treadwell. Money from inside 40, but from 41 onn, look out.

Ben

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Two words.

Mason Crosby.

Damn you CO, you took my post

[DomCasual]

Every fvcking kicker that actually kicks-off. We even killed a roster spot this year for him and then he couldn't kick off either. We've got a punter handling kickoffs and a place kicker wasting a roster spot all because of Elam.

Elam of today reminds me a lot of David Treadwell. Money from inside 40, but from 41 onn, look out.

Ben
Well, our punter is doing pretty well at kickoffs. Does it matter if our kicker doesn't kick off? At the moment, it isn't costing a roster spot.

[No1BroncoFan]

Well, our punter is doing pretty well at kickoffs. Does it matter if our kicker doesn't kick off? At the moment, it isn't costing a roster spot.
Ok, Ernster made it to the practice squad. Somehow I thought he was on the active roster. Still, we've got a kicker that can't kick off who we kept because he was sooooooo good at the long FGs. Guess what, he ain't so good at those any more. He may only be making 760,000 this year, but he's costing our cap over 1.2 mil. How much was his signing bonus if it counting nearly 500,000 against our cap? He's not what he was and he gets a little worse each year. Time for Elam to move on!

Ben

[watermock]

Elam is 10-16 (62.5%) on the season, career avg is 79.1%. The kicks that made him money in the past (40+ yds) are not there like they used to be.

He was kicking a 49 yarder against a bad crosswind...

We give him another 10 yards he is going to be automatic...

STFU...the problem is we are not burying teams...period...if we expect a kicker to win for us on the road your crazy....

We have proper play calls and we get inside the 20...Elam boots it thru no sweat.... and there is under two minutes to go. This was totally Kubiak's fault, not Elam's...don't even hang it on him...50 yards in a crosswind?...the ball didn't hook...because it caught the wind up higher...and he had to bang it...

[errand]

Exactly why I consider Vinatieri the best K in the league.

I'd rather have a K go 1/4 with the GW FG rather than a K go 3/4 with that one miss being the game.

....and yet oddly enough you blasted Lenny Walls for giving up alot of completions but no TD's:kiddingme

Only a weirdo like you would blame this loss on Elam.....:clown:

[errand]

We kick it in the endzone we win, period.

So let me get this straight as to why we lost this game....

TJ blames the offense for going 3 & out after Bailey INT.

Faderproof blames Elam for missing a FG.

Now you're blaming not only poor kick coverage, but the fact that Sauerbraun didn't kick it to the end zone? That would have put the ball, where? The 20 yard line right?

the giants started the game winning drive from their own 13

You do realize that the Giants drove 87 yards in 2 minutes to score the game winning TD, don'tcha?

[DB-Freak]

Errand are you taking after Popps on tampering facts?

[errand]

Errand are you taking after Popps on tampering facts?

Tampering what facts?

[DB-Freak]

Take a closer look.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/drives/NFL_20051023_DEN@NYG

[FADERPROOF]

....and yet oddly enough you blasted Lenny Walls for giving up alot of completions but no TD's:kiddingme

Only a weirdo like you would blame this loss on Elam.....:clown:

Only a weirdo like you would keep on comparing Wide receivers to kickers.

Funny how the tide has turned on your greek God named Jason Elam now, huh?

[FADERPROOF]

Also, I never blamed this loss on Elam...or even started the damn thread for that matter.

[errand]

Only a weirdo like you would keep on comparing Wide receivers to kickers.

Funny how the tide has turned on your greek God named Jason Elam now, huh?


.....he's not my Greek god...but evidently he's your Moby Dick, there Cap'n Ahab

[FADERPROOF]

.....he's not my Greek god...but evidently he's your Moby Dick, there Cap'n Ahab

Yep, because I'm able to see that he is actually fallible.

[errand]

Take a closer look.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/drives/NFL_20051023_DEN@NYG


Wow, my bad....I apologize for "tamperoing with facts"


Now tell us honestly -

Do you think that our D would have stopped them if they actaully had to go 87 yards instead of 83? LOL LOL LOL

[errand]

Yep, because I'm able to see that he is actually fallible.


So where's your thread and post blasting the Broncos career leader in dropped passes - Rod Smith

Where's your thread or post blasting Champ Bailey for giving up a TD?

you don't post them because like your blaming Elam for this loss it would pretty freaking ridiculous to do so.

[FADERPROOF]

So where's your thread and post blasting the Broncos career leader in dropped passes - Rod Smith

Where's your thread or post blasting Champ Bailey for giving up a TD?

you don't post them because like your blaming Elam for this loss it would pretty freaking ridiculous to do so.

Again, when the hell did I blame Elam for this loss?

[errand]

Yep, because I'm able to see that he is actually fallible.

If saw him as fallible, then you'd understand he ain't gonna make every kick :clown:....

I don't have to check the box score to see if Elam missed a FG...all I gotta do is check your posts after gameday

[DB-Freak]

Wow, my bad....I apologize for "tamperoing with facts"


Now tell us honestly -

Do you think that our D would have stopped them if they actaully had to go 87 yards instead of 83? LOL LOL LOL
Selective reading.
3:24

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Every fvcking kicker that actually kicks-off.
Ben

Not true - look it up. Even Indy brought in a rookie to kick off for vander jack off.

[troya900]

If saw him as fallible, then you'd understand he ain't gonna make every kick :clown:....

I don't have to check the box score to see if Elam missed a FG...all I gotta do is check your posts after gameday


There's missing FG's then theres 10/16. I'm sorry but 10/16 is freaking crappy he needs to pick it the **** up.

[errand]

Exactly why I consider Vinatieri the best K in the league.

I'd rather have a K go 1/4 with the GW FG rather than a K go 3/4 with that one miss being the game.

....I'd say this qualifies as your blaming Elam for the loss...unless "being the game" doesn't mean the same thing in your bizzarro world.

[FADERPROOF]

Exactly why I consider Vinatieri the best K in the league.

I'd rather have a K go 1/4 with the GW FG rather than a K go 3/4 with that one miss being the game.

....I'd say this qualifies as your blaming Elam for the loss...unless "being the game" doesn't mean the same thing in your bizzarro world.

That wasnt even about Elam, that was about why I think Vinatieri is the best K in the league.

He makes it when the game is on the line over and over and over again, I'd rather have that than someone who makes all the FG's in the world until the game is on the line.

Seriously, did you somehow mistake Vinatieri with Elam or something?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Again - Part of a kicker's stats are due to the confidence the coach has in the kicker. Just watched Atlanta pass up a 50 yarder in perfect conditions on their home field. Elam misses from 49 in a away game in a swirling cross wind. He's not perfect, but he there aren't three I would rather have.

[errand]

Selective reading.
3:24

So what your saying is, basically, our D wasn't able to stop them and force a 3 and out huh? so it wasn't a two minute drill, afterall?

Wow...so Eli Manning just calmly drove them down the field 83 yards (not 87) and did it in 3:24 (not 2:00).

Yeah, I'm beginning to see how Elam's miss is why we lost now......::)

[errand]

[QUOTE=errand]

That wasnt even about Elam, that was about why I think Vinatieri is the best K in the league.

He makes it when the game is on the line over and over and over again, I'd rather have that than someone who makes all the FG's in the world until the game is on the line.

Seriously, did you somehow mistake Vinatieri with Elam or something?

If that was true, then why did you bitch about Elam missing two FG's in an earlier game we won by 13 points?

[DB-Freak]

This getting tiring, but one point I'll make is I just found it funny that you would take steps of tampering trivial facts about football just to make the defense look worse.

[FADERPROOF]

Again - Part of a kicker's stats are due to the confidence the coach has in the kicker. Just watched Atlanta pass up a 50 yarder in perfect conditions on their home field. Elam misses from 49 in a away game in a swirling cross wind. He's not perfect, but he there aren't three I would rather have.

Like the SD game when it was 4th and 2 from the 31, and we went for it instead of going for the GW FG right?

:)

[FADERPROOF]

[QUOTE=FADERPROOF]

If that was true, then why did you b**** about Elam missing two FG's in an earlier game we won by 13 points?


And what does that game have to do with Vinatieri again?

[DB-Freak]

And maybe the game result could have came out different if the Giants only had 2 mins to work with.

Who knows Errand.

All I know is I don't get sand in my vagina cause of any kind of criticism that could possibly be related with your fantasy crush.

Just seems like it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

[QUOTE=errand]

That wasnt even about Elam, that was about why I think Vinatieri is the best K in the league.

He makes it when the game is on the line over and over and over again, I'd rather have that than someone who makes all the FG's in the world until the game is on the line.

Seriously, did you somehow mistake Vinatieri with Elam or something?

Vinatieri isn't off to a good start either this year hitting only 75% and hasn't hit any over 50 yet. There's a new group of younger, stronger kickers starting to take over these days.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Like the SD game when it was 4th and 2 from the 31, and we went for it instead of going for the GW FG right?

:)

If I remember correctly, the Broncs made the 2 yards. And that would have been a 49 yarder into a stiff gusting wind.

[errand]

This getting tiring, but one point I'll make is I just found it funny that you would take steps of tampering trivial facts about football just to make the defense look worse.

I don't need to "tamper with trivial facts" to make the D look bad, they do enough of that on their own by almost costing three games after being handed a double digit 4th qtr lead.....not to mention let's look at who they alow to do this to them....

The Redskins behind a creaky old Mark Brunell....

the undermanned Tom Brady of the Dillon-less Patriots....

and a 2nd year QB making just his 12th or 13th start of his career....

[DomCasual]

Also, I never blamed this loss on Elam...or even started the damn thread for that matter.
Dude, you just have Elam tattoo'd on your ass. I have to laugh that every time his name comes up, someone mentions you, and you end up getting sucked into the discussion. rofl

You can run from Jason Elam, but you can't hide.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

and a 2nd year QB making just his 12th or 13th start of his career....

Trouble is that 2nd year QB may be the third best QB in the league right now on his way to being number 1.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Like the SD game when it was 4th and 2 from the 31, and we went for it instead of going for the GW FG right?

:)

:)
4-1-SD33 (:57) R.Dayne left end to SD 23 for 10 yards (S.Foley).

[errand]

And maybe the game result could have came out different if the Giants only had 2 mins to work with.

Who knows Errand.

All I know is I don't get sand in my vagina cause of any kind of criticism that could possibly be related with your fantasy crush.

Just seems like it.

Your delusional if you think that our D could have stopped them from driving 83 yards in 2:00 minutes or having to travel 87 yards in 2:00.....they haven't stopped anyone in the fourth qtr the last 3 games......and you don't see this as being a problem?

[errand]

Trouble is that 2nd year QB may be the third best QB in the league right now on his way to being number 1.

Regardless, he shouldn't be able to drive the ball down our throats 83 yards in crunch time against a veteran D like ours....

BTW, Eli being on the verge of superstardom doesn't explain the other two clowns doing it against us.....

[DB-Freak]

The Redskins behind a creaky old Mark Brunell....

the undermanned Tom Brady of the Dillon-less Patriots....

Too bad the last two games the defense held on. NOt only that Brunell has been having a good season and Dillion wasnt certainly having a great year. How are the Pats exactly undermanned?

Yea holding those offense below what they score on average is so terrible.

And you use excuses for those other teams, but yet not this defense.

[DB-Freak]

and a 2nd year QB making just his 12th or 13th start of his career....

Giants number one scoring offense averaging over 30 points a game before playing Denver.

Good one Errand.

[DB-Freak]

Regardless, he shouldn't be able to drive the ball down our throats 83 yards in crunch time against a veteran D like ours....

BTW, Eli being on the verge of superstardom doesn't explain the other two clowns doing it against us.....
Tom Brady is a clown?

And Mark has hardly been playing like a clown this year. http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2005/regular

Edit- I'm guessing you're talking about Gus. Too bad there weren't any leads to blow.

[FADERPROOF]

Dude, you just have Elam tattoo'd on your ass. I have to laugh that every time his name comes up, someone mentions you, and you end up getting sucked into the discussion. rofl

You can run from Jason Elam, but you can't hide.

And he never lets me down, either :)

[errand]

Giants number one scoring offense averaging over 30 points a game before playing Denver.

Good one Errand.

I was gonna say that he hadn't played a real d yet....but then I realized he still hadn't.

[SoCalBronco]

I was gonna say that he hadn't played a real d yet....but then I realized he still hadn't.

San Diego isnt a real defense?

[errand]

Tom Brady is a clown?

And Mark has hardly been playing like a clown this year. http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2005/regular

Edit- I'm guessing you're talking about Gus. Too bad there weren't any leads to blow.

The point is how big of lead do you consider big enough for the defense to hold up? 3 consecutive games blowing double digit 4th qtr leads, two of which they allowed the opposing team to drive 80-90 yards must not be a concern to guys like you, naw you'd rather blame the freaking kicker.

[DB-Freak]

The point is how big of lead do you consider big enough for the defense to hold up? 3 consecutive games blowing double digit 4th qtr leads, two of which they allowed the opposing team to drive 80-90 yards must not be a concern to guys like you, naw you'd rather blame the freaking kicker.
Who are you talking to? You must be confusing me with Denfan or something.

When did I blame the kicker here and find one post here that blamed Elam right now.

Not only that, you accuse me of stance that I didnt take.

It's convenient though isn't it?

[hades]

The point is how big of lead do you consider big enough for the defense to hold up? 3 consecutive games blowing double digit 4th qtr leads, two of which they allowed the opposing team to drive 80-90 yards must not be a concern to guys like you, naw you'd rather blame the freaking kicker.


This thread has me LMAO! My wife is watching TV asking what is so funny!

I have a sure fire way Denver can win ALL the rest of there games. I am sending Shanny an email, telling all they have to do is score more points than the other team, and we win, it's really that simple.8')

[baja]

Elam got the game ball against Wash.

I'm glad we have him and all the rest of you will be to before this season is over

[watermock]

Yup I know b****ing about it does no good, but it just stings so much about how many crap calls were made. I know many Washington fans thought they got jobbed in the Denver game, but at least they had calls really go there way such as the catch by Moss where his knee was clearly out of bounds that they still ruled a catch and the weak holding call on Paymah. I mean those two miscues helped Washington on both their TD drives. Only advantage I seen the refs give Denver in the Giants game possibly was the face mask penalty, but he did grab on and twist a little it could have been a five yarder preventing a first down, but that was the only call in the Giants game that even remotely went our way and it wasn't much. The refs favored the Giants in this one the whole damn way.

My bad...it was on 24 not 26 and certainly not 26...and I agree...that wasn't a personal foul facemask...it was a 5 yarder...the officiating was horrible...I have been watching football 35 years and this was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen, and considering it's 2005 with replay, it's even more pathetic.

If people didn't see the refs choosing their spots to throw the game they were blind...I saw the game being thrown by the second quarter...

[watermock]

You just can't leave the god damn screen door open or the rats will chew thru...God Dammit...I was in the chat room and left...I could see it coming a mile away...then I turned my chair away from the TV and held my head in my hands....I turned for the final play...but allready knew lady fate had thrown her fat ass down on our team...

Breathe deeply mock...I just took a couple BP pills...

There is no way we lose that game if the refs don't call the holding on Foster late...or the Bailey phantom interference...or be blind to the blatant holding...Hell...I know there is holding on every play...but it was so damn obvious...foster's was ticky tack...

I'm sorry, the game was thrown, pure and simple...we could of overcome, but the refs tried everthing to throw the game...worst throw I have seen in quite a while...So we go on.

[Northman]

Yeah...Jason's FG could have won it...but that's not why we lost...
My "Goat" goes to the refs...we had this game won, almost, in spite of them.

...and Toomer was the one that messed up our perfect season before :devil:


the only problem with that is the last time we were 13-0 before losing. this could send us into another spiral. :sickortir

[OrangeShadow]

Thanks for peeling the band-aid off of that wound. That call flat out sucked.

i threw my remote at the tv at that call.

that was a prime example of the refs debacle

[watermock]

Yup I know b****ing about it does no good, but it just stings so much about how many crap calls were made. I know many Washington fans thought they got jobbed in the Denver game, but at least they had calls really go there way such as the catch by Moss where his knee was clearly out of bounds that they still ruled a catch and the weak holding call on Paymah. I mean those two miscues helped Washington on both their TD drives. Only advantage I seen the refs give Denver in the Giants game possibly was the face mask penalty, but he did grab on and twist a little it could have been a five yarder preventing a first down, but that was the only call in the Giants game that even remotely went our way and it wasn't much. The refs favored the Giants in this one the whole damn way.

The refs were horrible...the face mask penalty was ludicrous on the Giants...that was a 5 yarder...If they don't call a phantom holding on Foster or a phantom on Bailey PI the Giants are not even close in this game...

I thought I had seen badly called games...

I guess WR's can just run over DB's now and get calls...the PI call on Bailey wasn't bad, it was totally absurd...the holding on Foster could be called IF THEY CALLED IT THAT WAY THE WHOLE GAME...they didn't...it was just as convenient as the rapes of Bailey...