Coyer lost the game

[Jesterhole]

That's all you can say. 23-10 in the 4th. Coyer made terrrible call after terrible call. 5-2 sucks.

[minibronco]

yep.

[24champ]

That's all you can say. 23-10 in the 4th. Coyer made terrrible call after terrible call. 5-2 sucks.
The whole team lost the game...

[Popps]

This "almost getting to the quarterback" defense was starting to concern me. I knew it would catch up with us eventually, and today it did. I'm not sure how you fix that. Given, our guys were being held pretty badly all day, but you've got to put a QB on his back a couple of times a game if you're a serious defense.

It's only one game and the Giants have one of the best offenses in the league. But, it does illuminate some potential problems for this defense.
If Eli did that to us at crunch time, what's big brother going to do?

[Sassy]

We had no sacks...
...and it sucks that we lost the fumble/int record on the last play...

On the positive side...it wasn't Jake...and he had no INTS.

[GreatBronco16]

Well I'm glad the board is working again for starters.

Now, something has got to be said to the officials. It is getting beyond crazy that they will not throw a flag for offensive holding but yet they felt the need to call a chop block on a punt. Then they call the PI on the wrong player and for the wrong team.

Finally, I'm sick and tired of Shanny and Coyer going conservative when he have a good lead. You can never score enough points in a game. Stop with the BS and try to score on every possesion.

[GreatBronco16]

We had no sacks...
...and it sucks that we lost the fumble/int record on the last play...

On the positive side...it wasn't Jake...and he had no INTS.


I want to know how the Broncos can lead the league in hurries, have a crap load of knockdowns, but can't get a sack to save their lives.

[NFLBRONCO]

I think this game shows how bad we need to upgrade S position. I think OL WR TE upgrades also needed. We are not getting enough production out of TE and WR's at crunch time.

[DB-Freak]

That's because of our spectacular pass coverage

[Sideburn]

I think this game shows how bad we need to upgrade S position. I think OL WR TE upgrades also needed. We are not getting enough production out of TE and WR's at crunch time.
Indeed, Fergy was completely lost. Not to mention Lynch is the most one dimensional player in the league.

[DB-Freak]

Indeed, Fergy was completely lost. Not to mention Lynch is the most one dimensional player in the league.
That last play he just stood there.

Just froze........

[GreatBronco16]

Indeed, Fergy was completely lost. Not to mention Lynch is the most one dimensional player in the league.


Perhaps Denver should move Lynch to LBer and put Cox out there at Saftey.

[DB-Freak]

Yea it's coyer's fault, because our players choked big time.

[Goobzilla]

I don't think the players decided to bring only 3 rushers in the 4th quarter.

[DB-Freak]

I don't think the players decided to bring only 3 rushers in the 4th quarter.

I don't remember that play specifically, but Fergy having his statue moment was fantastic.

He had the position to make a move, but just stood there.

[24champ]

I don't remember that play specifically, but Fergy having his statue moment was fantastic.

He had the position to make a move, but just stood there.
yup but that was the refs fault too....:loopy:

[Sassy]

What's with the "prevent' mode...you'd think they'd have learned after NE almost came back and beat us last week.

...and I'm not blaming it all on refs...just saying they could have at least called them both ways.

[Taco John]

Bailey intercepts the ball at the most crucial point in the game. We go three and out. Coyer's head is immediately called for.

Brilliant!

[GreatBronco16]

yup but that was the refs fault too....:loopy:


Well they sure as hell didn't help.ugh!~

[Sideburn]

Perhaps Denver should move Lynch to LBer and put Cox out there at Saftey.
Unfortunately, you'd be taking a better player off the field unless we played some kind of mutant 4-4. Although Lynch is pretty much playing as a lber now...

One defensive play call that I absolutely can't believe we kept using was a double corner blitz with DWill and Champ...we took our two best cover corners out of coverage for slow blitzes.

[GreatBronco16]

Bailey intercepts the ball at the most crucial point in the game. We go three and out. Coyer's head is immediately called for.

Brilliant!


I blame him and Shanny. I still don't understand spreading out Bell wide to be covered by a CB and then to throw the ball to him. We only needed like 3 yards. If Mike or Bell can't get that by running, then they are not gonna get it by a pass to them.

[Goobzilla]

You were pleased with defensive playcalling on the game winning drive TJ? I didn't like the 3 and out after a huge turnover either, but for us to get out of our defensive game plan at the end of the game was a HUGE mistake, IMO.

[Cleo McDowell]

Bailey intercepts the ball at the most crucial point in the game. We go three and out. Coyer's head is immediately called for.

Brilliant!

http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2004/12/27/inside1-guinness.jpg

[GreatBronco16]

Unfortunately, you'd be taking a better player off the field unless we played some kind of mutant 4-4. Although Lynch is pretty much playing as a lber now...

One defensive play call that I absolutely can't believe we kept using was a double corner blitz with DWill and Champ...we took our two best cover corners out of coverage for slow blitzes.


How bout just pulling Lynch out on 3rd downs when we know they will pass and then put Cox in? I mean, something else has got to work because the safties aren't getting it done.

[Sideburn]

How bout just pulling Lynch out on 3rd downs when we know they will pass and then put Cox in? I mean, something else has got to work because the safties aren't getting it done.
Now that I would go along with in a heartbeat.

[Sassy]

Bailey intercepts the ball at the most crucial point in the game. We go three and out. Coyer's head is immediately called for.

Brilliant!
Bailey also got burned a few...along with Lynch.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Our defense plays not to give up the big play in the 4th quarter every game. And every game we watch the other team moving methodically downfield 8-12 yards at a time. Why is it that the average fan who watches this game year after year and has seen HUNDREDS of games lost with that defense understands that IT DOES NOT WORK, but the coaches keep doing it? I don't get it. We needed to be aggressive for 60 minutes and once again we weren't. And with the pressure we are getting we hardly EVER see a sack. What's up with that?

[DB-Freak]

Our coverage couldn't hold up properly at times.

Even playing off the line, they got burned deep several times.

Our coverage has been shakey and it's been shakey for a quite few games.

And Coyer has been trying to cover that up, but you can only do so much.

[ludo21]

I blame the players for not getting it done.

Mainly the O because constant 3 - outs wear out the D ans it was obvious on the last drive.

The "getting to the qb but no sacks" is mainly because the OL was mualing the DL. I know their is holding on every play, but it was clear te Dl was getting pas their Ol and getting held.

3 close games in a row, this one bites us, the team talked ALL week on being able to close out teams, maybe this will be their wake up call.

[Sideburn]

That last play he just stood there.

Just froze........
Amazingly I was screaming (after the play of course) at Fergy through the tv...

I can't even imagine what dumbass random thoughts were going through his head. He was probably thinking about picking up the 50cent movie on DVD when it comes out tuesday...because he wasn't paying attention to the game.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Since the 2002 season this team is 13-15 in games after the 6th week. I hate to say this but I don't see any change in that. We gave this game away.

[NFLBRONCO]

Question do we blitz too much?

[Sideburn]

Question do we blitz too much?
I wouldn't say too much, just with the wrong players. Like sending DWill and Champ on corner blitzes at the same time. That's just retarded.

[DB-Freak]

Question do we blitz too much?
That's a matter of perspective.

[Goobzilla]

I think the delayed blitzes today were effective due to Eli's experience. No way we get away with those against McNabb.

[NFLBRONCO]

My beef is why blitz Lynch he is too slow

[DB-Freak]

So maybe the blitzers dont get stuck on the line?

Just a thought.

[Taco John]

Question do we blitz too much?



No. Our defense is hailed as heros if our offense capitalizes on Champ's interception. All week long they'd be talking about our defense, how it puts pressure on the quarterback, and how Champ made the big play when we needed it the most. All we needed was three points after that interception.

[GreatBronco16]

No. Our defense is hailed as heros if our offense capitalizes on Champ's interception. All week long they'd be talking about our defense, how it puts pressure on the quarterback, and how Champ made the big play when we needed it the most. All we needed was three points after that interception.


Just a thought, but didn't Elam miss a FG before the Champ INT? I say screw the FGs, and I felt they should have tried to put up a couple more TDs instead of the conserative playcalling that happened. It just doesn't appear that we can really count on Elam to make those clutch kicks this year.

[Crushaholic]

No. Our defense is hailed as heros if our offense capitalizes on Champ's interception. All week long they'd be talking about our defense, how it puts pressure on the quarterback, and how Champ made the big play when we needed it the most. All we needed was three points after that interception.

I have to agree with you on this, TJ. I was talking to someone after the game about this very thing. If the offense would have had a sustainable drive after the INT, we could have probably played keep-away from the Giants.

[Rascal]

I have to agree with you on this, TJ. I was talking to someone after the game about this very thing. If the offense would have had a sustainable drive after the INT, we could have probably played keep-away from the Giants.

If the play callers had a brain and realize you don't throw to a RB with poor hands on a crucial third down against their #1 CB it might have helped.

You guys can call it execution all you want. But when the play calling is that horrible it sure as hell doesn't help. Not to mention our awesome defense giving up two long drives for TD's in the final quarter come crunch time.

And of course people fail to mention the two decent drives we had before then in which we made a FG and missed the other.

[Hulamau]

It was an all around screw up starting with coaches on both sides of the ball for not realizing the weakness of thier 'playing not to lose' mentality and the insidious efect it is having in the 3rd and 4th quarter after we get at least a 10 point lead.

I almost hope we have to play from behind the rest of the year so we wont be able to continue to try to out think ourselves, and be forced to play full tilt for 60 full minutes.

I'm convinced we have the team to roll over anyone if we open it up and not be so DAMN conservative with the lead on both Offesne AND Defense.

That last 3 and out by the Offense was PATHETIC play calling and you could tell they were just trying not to turn the ball over and hope the defense could hold agin even though they had just gotten roilled for a TD prior to that and there was 4 minutes to go.

We are NOT a good Prevent Defense team What does it take to make that OBVIOUS to the coaches?

Hey, I love the work in the offseason to make Plummer more steady and lower his turnovers, but I think he is talented enough and smart enough now that he sees the paramters he can work within and STILL do so if we allow him to open him up a bit more.

There has got ot be a happy balance between letting Plummer and the team play all out ball for 2 quarters and playing 'Lets run the clock out' 'prevent mistakes at all cost' ball in the second half.

I think they are reigning Plummer and the offense in WAY too much and I would GLADLY trade one extra turnnover a game for two or three extra TDS which I think is very doable.

The last two drive defensiviely They didnt rush at all until MAnning was well inside our territory whcih totally guarateed they would get there.

Just STUPID football if you ask me. We should have blown these guys out of the stadium!

But that is an attitude instilled during preseason and during the week when coaches and players talk mostly about 'containment' and limiting their mistakes and all, which is fine, but I'd much rather lose giving the same effort and creatively that got us the lead in the first place than playing half a game and holding our DAMN breathe the rest of the time.

That loss right there HURT us big time! We had a chance to get off the dime of the "5-1 and fold' legacy fo the past few years and we failed. We've also tried as hard as we could to give away games the last three weeks

Its mostly psychological.

We've now lost two game that should have been pretty much gimmes, which means we cant lose more than 2 more games total and expect to win our division AND get a bye week, which will be crucial. Assuming we make the playoffs at all!

Next weeks game is absolutely a MUST WIN now. We lose two in a row before the bye week and well be extremely lucky just to wind up at Indy for our first playoff game.


Plus, I'm PISSED OFF that Brad Lidge blew another potential save and the Astros are now likely toast. Note to Astros coach Garner, use Lidge for middle releif only the next few games but NOT as a 9th+ inning closer, He's snake bit this year in the playoffs.

[footstepsfrom#27]

We had them down 20-10 and were on the about the 10 or something when we failed to move it in for the TD. I knew right then we would see another nail biter with Shanny/Coyer doing their best to make this a close game. This team should have put this game away long before the end. We have no killer instinct. We never do. It's been years since I've seen it.

[wabbit]

When you give the ball back three or four times inside the last five minutes or so, you're just begging to get beat.

Coyer didn't always field the perfect defensive schemes, but he put some nice defensive sets out there that stopped the Giants until that last drive.

It was pretty clear to me from the beginning of the game that the TE's were one focus in the game plan...until Putzier & Alexander started dropping the ball on key downs.

It's really a damned shame because the Broncos had a great game plan...& for the umpteenth time in the post Elway era, some...not all, but some players just couldn't get it done.

[NFLBRONCO]

We need players to make clutch plays at clutch times.

[footstepsfrom#27]

When you give the ball back three or four times inside the last five minutes or so, you're just begging to get beat.

Coyer didn't always field the perfect defensive schemes, but he put some nice defensive sets out there that stopped the Giants until that last drive.

It was pretty clear to me from the beginning of the game that the TE's were one focus in the game plan...until Putzier & Alexander started dropping the ball on key downs.

It's really a damned shame because the Broncos had a great game plan...& for the umpteenth time in the post Elway era, some...not all, but some players just couldn't get it done.
The defense gave up 168 yards in the first 3 quarters...26 in the 3rd quarter...and 143 in the last 13 minutes when they changed their style and went into that stupid soft zone crap. How idiotic is that? Everyone in the whole stadium and millions watching at home know that never works. Yet we keep doing it.

This is an incredibly frustrating loss because it didn't have to be a loss. Our coaches lost this game...plain and simple.

[Tw0mey]

Screw Coyer, that bum is a joke and won't get another job in the NFL after this one.

[Rascal]

What are you talking about Wabbit?

We had three drives in the fourth quarter.

One that was started in the third and ended with a FG. Another that resulted in a missed FG, and the last one went three and out after horrible play calling. WE have gave the ball back three or four times inside the last five minutes? What game were you watching.

The defense on the other hand gave up two long (I think 9+ plays each over 70 yards each) TD drives to the Giants during the fourth quarter and stopped them once with an INT. Yeah...great defense.

[SoCalBronco]

I cant put this one on Coyer. There were several plays on the last few Giants offensive drives where nothing was open and then the OL then started holding and grabbing guys like Warren so Eli could run around awhile and find time to just basically make sandlot plays to get first downs.

[watermock]

I have amnesia about this one.

Or I go insane...or more insane depending on opinion...

[Rascal]

I cant put this one on Coyer. There were several plays on the last few Giants offensive drives where nothing was open and then the OL then started holding and grabbing guys like Warren so Eli could run around awhile and find time to just basically make sandlot plays to get first downs.

Shanny needs to send in a request to the league office to request what holding is because obviously we have no idea what it is. The refs don't call stuff like that but call Foster on his.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I cant put this one on Coyer. There were several plays on the last few Giants offensive drives where nothing was open and then the OL then started holding and grabbing guys like Warren so Eli could run around awhile and find time to just basically make sandlot plays to get first downs.
We do this garbage every week. Yes...it is on Coyer. He loves the soft zone/prevent D crap...loves it. I don't know why but he does.

[wabbit]

The defense gave up 168 yards in the first 3 quarters...26 in the 3rd quarter...and 143 in the last 13 minutes when they changed their style and went into that stupid soft zone crap. How idiotic is that?...


Hey, no doubt...late game defensive schemes are designed to make the opponent use up the maximum amount of time to move down the field.

Problem is, you're supposed to have enough latitude in the score so a td won't beat you before you implement that scheme.

The Broncos had numerous second half opportunities to salt that game away & just didn't do it...same as Washington and New England...with a losing twist this time.

[Hulamau]

If the play callers had a brain and realize you don't throw to a RB with poor hands on a crucial third down against their #1 CB it might have helped.

You guys can call it execution all you want. But when the play calling is that horrible it sure as hell doesn't help. Not to mention our awesome defense giving up two long drives for TD's in the final quarter come crunch time.

And of course people fail to mention the two decent drives we had before then in which we made a FG and missed the other.


I couldnt believe that right there! We basically get the game winning INT and have a total coaching BRAIN FREEZE!

Two weak runs off tackle where the RB was just looking to dive a few yards with both arms on the ball not wanting to Fumble far worse than they wanted a first down, and then on 3rd and 7 or whatever it was, they throw a short pass, not even for first down yardage, to MISTER DEPENDABLE Tater Tot!

Tater must be batting something like .075% catching the ball out of the backfield so some NumbSkull, Most likely Kubiak, could say 'Hey that will trick them if we throw it to Tater short of the first down marker with their top corner covering him, and if it doesnt work the good Ole Defense will save us again"!

[Popps]

Bailey intercepts the ball at the most crucial point in the game. We go three and out. Coyer's head is immediately called for.

Brilliant!

Here we go again.

Our offense put up 23 points and gave us a 13 point lead going into the fourth quarter. God forbid we win a game where we score less than 30, right? God forbid we expect our defense to just make a stop when there is 2:00 left and the other team needs to drive almost the full length of the field to score.

I'm not calling for Coyer's head, though today's game looked eerily familiar.

We've established how we win with this team. Control the ball, limit turnovers and make big stops on defense. We did two of those things today. Take a guess which one we didn't do?

We dominated time of possession today, put up 23 points and didn't turn the ball over.

The defense bends over and grabs its ankles in the final two minutes and it's the offense's fault because we went 3-out on one series?

Classic Taco take.

[maven]

That's all you can say. 23-10 in the 4th. Coyer made terrrible call after terrible call. 5-2 sucks.

I paused the entire 4th quarter on my tivo. Had to run & do errands. It was seriously two different games within a game. Coyer's play calling was not aggressive at all. They were playing not to lose. The offense also sputtered(what a surprise).

[GreatBronco16]

Here we go again.

Our offense put up 23 points and gave us a 13 point lead going into the fourth quarter. God forbid we win a game where we score less than 30, right? God forbid we expect our defense to just make a stop when there is 2:00 left and the other team needs to drive almost the full length of the field to score.

I'm not calling for Coyer's head, though today's game looked eerily familiar.

We've established how we win with this team. Control the ball, limit turnovers and make big stops on defense. We did two of those things today. Take a guess which one we didn't do?

We dominated time of possession today, put up 23 points and didn't turn the ball over.

The defense bends over and grabs its ankles in the final two minutes and it's the offense's fault because we went 3-out on one series?

Classic Taco take.

The thing about that INT is that we stole the momentum away from the Giants. If Denver could have just got 1 or 2 first downs on that play they would have forced NY to burn at the very least 1 of their timeouts. Instead, Denver burned a timeout and still went 3 and out burning 1 minute off the clock. That was the series that the offense could have put the game away. You get a big time INT like Bailey did, the offense has to do something more than a 3 and out 1 minute drive.

[Bronco Yoda]

I had to Tivo the game today and watch it tonight. For some reason the Tivo cut the game in the middle of the 4th quarter. The score was Denver 23 Giants17 and we were driving the ball when the game cut. I can't believe we let this one get away. What happened? How can such a solid defense just fold every game late in the 4th Quarter?

[maven]

I had to Tivo the game today and watch it tonight. For some reason the Tivo cut the game in the middle of the 4th quarter. The score was Denver 23 Giants17 and we were driving the ball when the game cut. I can't believe we let this one get away. What happened? How can such a solid defense just fold every game late in the 4th Quarter?

That's weird your tivo did that. I always make sure I record the show after the game(60 minutes). This will keep the tivo on the same channel & continue recording programs. That bit me in the azz one time.

Offense sputtered once again.:gus:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Coyer lost the game
No he didn't. No way possible to stop an offensive team when blatant holding is allowed by the O lineman. Neither one of the last 2 drives happen if the rules are enforced. The Broncos went to hostile territory and done everything they could to win and would have won but the game was taken away from them by some of the poorest officiating I've ever seen in 45 years.

[x123z]

When you record a game on tivo add minutes with options. Optionsi nclude end on time or I think up to an hour.

[bloodsunday]

We do this garbage every week. Yes...it is on Coyer. He loves the soft zone/prevent D crap...loves it. I don't know why but he does.
I have Comcast and decided to watch the Replay on demand the other night. I am watching the game. And on this play...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20051023_DEN@NYG

2-10-DEN27 (9:37) E.Manning pass to P.Burress pushed ob at DEN 4 for 23 yards (N.Ferguson).

... Denver runs a stunt. Courtney Brown and Gerrard Warren run a twist. Warren is running free around the end like IHOP to a fight and all of sudden his arms just start dragging behind him as the Giants O-lineman grabs his Jersey. Now he is running like he's stuck in mud -- clearly a yard and half or more ahead of the lineman -- but can't finish the play. No call, 23 yard gain. Next play is Tiki's TD. Then of course you have the play where Burress stepped out of bounds before coming back toward Eli to catch the ball. Or the numerous times Burress pushed off (although you almost expect that with the rules the way they are).

I think that game was horribly called. You have George Foster's penalty (ticky-tac at best) and Stephen Alexander's (non-existent) and yet NY is just mugging our DL. I just can't understand how this happens. Honestly, I can't. Its not as if they only missed one play -- everyone has a bad moment now and again. But they were just off the whole day. These guys are well paid and that level of competence is insulting.