Do we want WALLS anywhere near......

[Jetmeck]

Plaxico Burress, T.O. or Moss ? He has played well against Burress when in Pittsburgh. He seems to have some mental lapses lately and I tend to feel like most of you in that he shouldn't be anywhere near these three.............But
he is the only one in our defensive backfield with the size to match up to these guys.

Bailey can't cover them every time and you know they would be licking their chops to be guarded by Darrent Williams, I like Darrent a lot but he is giving up a lot against 6'3"-5" receivers. What do you think ?

[watermock]

Well, he won't back down...but that's a mismatch and he's got a tenderfoot.

[Ratboy]

Bailey will go this week and he'll have no problem covering Burress.

[BroncoBuff]

Plaxico Burress, T.O. or Moss ? He has played well against Burress when in Pittsburgh. He seems to have some mental lapses lately and I tend to feel like most of you in that he shouldn't be anywhere near these three.............But
he is the only one in our defensive backfield with the size to match up to these guys.

Bailey can't cover them every time and you know they would be licking their chops to be guarded by Darrent Williams, I like Darrent a lot but he is giving up a lot against 6'3"-5" receivers. What do you think ?
I really like Lenny Walls - I think he's the most over-persecuted of all the Broncos.

Like everybody else, I think D-Will has proven he IS the #2 CB in this town . . . no matter how tall the WR is.

But for me, I trust Lenny Walls more than Dominique Foxworth.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Walls is much better than some on this board think. He is not perfect and had a bad game and a half, but he is a starting caliber CB in the league. He would beat out either of the squaws CBs. He had a bad game and a half, but he isn't as bad as some here pretend.

[Atlas]

Jesus another Walls thread??? Walls will be just fine.

[watermock]

Yeah, he's great...that's why he's injury free and benched for two rookies. Whatever.

[BigPlayShay]

I actually think he had an all right game against the Pats. My only real problem with him is when he celebrates like he did something after a reciever catces a ball out of bounds or the ball is overtrhown, but this type of behavior exists all over the league.

[Ratboy]

Jesus another Walls thread??? Walls will be just fine.

Believe me, Walls will be fine. I think i would be fine being behind Champ Bailey and 2 rookies who were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round.

[minibronco]

is there even a choice. we'll have a crying man if we do. it's okay though. the answer is obviously no. i'd rather have foxworth or darrent williams. ok. i might have to think that over as well. BAILEY!

[TheReverend]

Walls did a DECENT job covering Moss a couple years ago... naturally it couldve been better but everyone screws up on Moss... and Randy had that crazy lateral play during the gang tackle.

[watermock]

I can't remember what injury Walls had. Shoulder? He just seems tenative this year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

it's okay though. the answer is obviously no. i'd rather have foxworth or darrent williams. ok.

Yeah, let's line DWill up on a WR with a 10 inch height advantage on him.

[watermock]

Yeah, let's line DWill up on a WR with a 10 inch height advantage on him.

At least he can cover...I was listening to the webfeed and they said DW went vertical on a bigger reciever. I'm not saying I wouldn't want DW to be a little taller, but alot of corners have played well small. The thing is that in the past 5 or so years, bigger, taller WR's have been taking over the top draft choices.

The odd thing is that not many have been that effective honestly.

I guess it was Walls ankle as well as his shoulder...maybe if he gets his body put back together he will be able to contribute.

[TheReverend]

At least he can cover...I was listening to the webfeed and they said DW went vertical on a bigger reciever. I'm not saying I wouldn't want DW to be a little taller, but alot of corners have played well small. The thing is that in the past 5 or so years, bigger, taller WR's have been taking over the top draft choices.

The odd thing is that not many have been that effective honestly.

I guess it was Walls ankle as well as his shoulder...maybe if he gets his body put back together he will be able to contribute.

I could understand Plaxico, TO is getting more iffy considering how physical he plays (only saving grace is DeAngelo Hall played well on him and hes not that big), but Moss makes a living and breaks records off his jump balls.

[Gcver2ver3]

For the most part....I've been very disappointed in Walls....I no longer think he is garbage though...

I just think that he's is playing among a more talented team of db's compared to years past....

Because of that he doesn't seem as good as before....he is playing and practicing with Bailey,D-Will, & Foxworth

This is different than playing and practicing with Middlebrooks, O'neal, & Herndon....

I don't think Walls will make many plays this year but he can run with the other team's 4th wideout..problem is he can't stop committing penalties!!!

[DB-Freak]

Yeah, let's line DWill up on a WR with a 10 inch height advantage on him.
Add in wing span and then it will be more of a mismatch.

[ncjmirabile]

Add in wing span and then it will be more of a mismatch.

But haven't you heard CB height doesn't matter that much when covering WRs.

[errand]

Yeah, he's great...that's why he's injury free and benched for two rookies. Whatever.

.....how many TD's has Walls been burned for this year?

[Willynowei]

Hey guys, don't be that harsh on Walls.

From what i can gather he's got good straight line speed, good hip fluidity and great acceleration, I see that because he does a good job at running with guys deep down field. His weekness comes in ball skills and tackling. The Ball skills can be drilled into a person and so can tackling. I know he's had a while to improve, but he has the physical tools you can't coach and I have confidence Denver will eventually coach those simple things into this kids head.

[Atlas]

.....how many TD's has Walls been burned for this year?

He has been beat for one against K.C. I think.

[errand]

He has been beat for one against K.C. I think.

Then why all the fuss about whether or not he can do his job? I recall him getting lambasted in here after the Jags game, and yet the Jags didn't score on him.

People were complaining because an all-pro like Jimmy Smithcaught a few balls against him...well hells bells, ya think the fact Jimmy is a pretty damn good in his own right might have something to do with that?

Walter Paytonran for 275 yards against the vikings when he set the NFL's single game rushing record (since broken)...final score 10-7 Bears.

The point is you'd figure the vikings allowing almost 300 rushing yards to one RB would have led to more scoring by the RB's team....fact is, those yards didn't translate into alot of TD's. In Walls case, alot of Jimmy Smith's catches didn't translate into Jag points.

I'd rather Walls give up a few catches, and commit a couple of penalties than for him to allow a TD pass....

[watermock]

He's great, that why Foxworth has replaced him...what are you people on?

[ludo21]

Lenny gets dumped on here. I am with him and think he has improved steadily in each game. After missing a year he obviously looks like hes still getting use to the game.

To answer the question tho, i dont think Walls will be asked to cover him considering Bailey is back.

[DarkHorse30]

I could understand Plaxico, TO is getting more iffy considering how physical he plays (only saving grace is DeAngelo Hall played well on him and hes not that big), but Moss makes a living and breaks records off his jump balls.

It's all about the matchup. Burress seems like the best candidate (out of the 3 mentioned) for Walls to cover, because of the size matchup. If Walls can be fast enough to blanket Burress, than Eli won't have the jump ball option to Burress...he probably won't be able to see him if Walls stays on him.

This would be a good game to find out what Walls can do in a pressure situation. Why not give him a chance to earn his spot in a matchup against a tall slower guy that he can follow?

[wabbit]

...This would be a good game to find out what Walls can do in a pressure situation. Why not give him a chance to earn his spot in a matchup against a tall slower guy that he can follow?


This is good reasoning, and I bet this is exactly what Bob Slowik will do...from time to time.

Assuming Bailey plays...and he says he will...his presence immediately creates concern, shifting more Giant offensive emphasis on Shockey, but I would bet that Walls find himself matched up on Buress quite a bit.

I also suspect the Broncos will run zone quite a bit until, and if, Manning can hurt the defense with the quick slant.

[Cito Pelon]

Add in wing span and then it will be more of a mismatch.

Wing span may be what gets Lenny penalties. He doesn't get PI penalties, he gets holding penalties. Why? because his long arms mean his hand is on the receiver long enough where the referees just have to pull the yellow hanky out. The NFL is getting a little silly with the DB holding and roughing the QB calls these days. The referess are running scared, calling everything in that regard, because they get fined too.

[Kaylore]

This is good reasoning, and I bet this is exactly what Bob Slowik will do...from time to time.

Assuming Bailey plays...and he says he will...his presence immediately creates concern, shifting more Giant offensive emphasis on Shockey, but I would bet that Walls find himself matched up on Buress quite a bit.

I also suspect the Broncos will run zone quite a bit until, and if, Manning can hurt the defense with the quick slant.
...and get rid of the ball before Pryce ground humps him.

[Atlas]

Then why all the fuss about whether or not he can do his job? I recall him getting lambasted in here after the Jags game, and yet the Jags didn't score on him.

People were complaining because an all-pro like Jimmy Smithcaught a few balls against him...well hells bells, ya think the fact Jimmy is a pretty damn good in his own right might have something to do with that?

Walter Paytonran for 275 yards against the vikings when he set the NFL's single game rushing record (since broken)...final score 10-7 Bears.

The point is you'd figure the vikings allowing almost 300 rushing yards to one RB would have led to more scoring by the RB's team....fact is, those yards didn't translate into alot of TD's. In Walls case, alot of Jimmy Smith's catches didn't translate into Jag points.

I'd rather Walls give up a few catches, and commit a couple of penalties than for him to allow a TD pass....

I agree with you 100%. Williams has played well and took Walls spot so people bash Walls. He has given up some catches and he did leave the door open for Foxworth and Williams to get playing time but his play hasn't been so bad that we need 15 threads bashing him.

[Cito Pelon]

He's great, that why Foxworth has replaced him...what are you people on?

Lenny's on the field as much as Foxworth, wino. You don't even see the games. So how would you know what's happening on the field. Sit down and shut up.

[kappys]

Clearly we can't have Darrent against Burress on the goal line, or in any jump ball situations. I wouldn't mind seeing what Darrent can do between the 20's, particularly if we have Fergueson back to help against he deep ball. At the same time if Champ plays then he should take Burress and Darrent is a perfect fit to match up with Amani Toomer, who is still quite talented but underused in the current Giants scheme.

I've been very impressed by what Dj has done to opposing TE's. The fact that he doesn't have stats is in part a testament to how well he has done against TE's, though it also reflects his lack of playing time in nickle situations and lack of pass rushing opportunities. Still, I think that we should give DJ a shot to match up against Shockey. I doubt he will shut him out, but I don't think Shockey would do better than modest numbers (5 catches, 60 yards or so) against DJ, most of them short outs.

[Atlas]

Clearly we can't have Darrent against Burress on the goal line, or in any jump ball situations. I wouldn't mind seeing what Darrent can do between the 20's, particularly if we have Fergueson back to help against he deep ball. At the same time if Champ plays then he should take Burress and Darrent is a perfect fit to match up with Amani Toomer, who is still quite talented but underused in the current Giants scheme.

I've been very impressed by what Dj has done to opposing TE's. The fact that he doesn't have stats is in part a testament to how well he has done against TE's, though it also reflects his lack of playing time in nickle situations and lack of pass rushing opportunities. Still, I think that we should give DJ a shot to match up against Shockey. I doubt he will shut him out, but I don't think Shockey would do better than modest numbers (5 catches, 60 yards or so) against DJ, most of them short outs.

IMO I think Denver should run the nickle 90% of the game. Walls and williams doubles Burress with Fergy covering Shockey. Champ one one one with Hillard.

At least do it until the Giants prove they can run on you.

[Ballhawk]

I still have faith in Lenny. Yes he forgot to finish against KC, but was in position to make the play. Do not remember him giving up anything in Jax or against WA or NE. He is great depth to have and I think he is a key player in goalline and against guys like Burress.

[OrangeShadow]

he did very well last week

[Hotrod]

Then why all the fuss about whether or not he can do his job? I recall him getting lambasted in here after the Jags game, and yet the Jags didn't score on him.



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Thats because Shanny litterally yanked him out of the game in the middle of a drive. They were eating Walls up period.

I think Walls is a good for us as far as depth goes but a starter he is not. :nono:

[Hotrod]

I still have faith in Lenny. Yes he forgot to finish against KC, but was in position to make the play. Do not remember him giving up anything in Jax or against WA or NE. He is great depth to have and I think he is a key player in goalline and against guys like Burress.

He was getting his arse handed to him against Jax and got pulled mid-drive. Hes also managed to lose his job to not one rookie but two. Im going with the coachs on this one they obviously know more then either of us.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Hey guys, don't be that harsh on Walls.

From what i can gather he's got good straight line speed, good hip fluidity and great acceleration, I see that because he does a good job at running with guys deep down field. His weekness comes in ball skills and tackling. The Ball skills can be drilled into a person and so can tackling. I know he's had a while to improve, but he has the physical tools you can't coach and I have confidence Denver will eventually coach those simple things into this kids head.


what good are all these bullsh!t skills if he forgets to use them on gameday? the guy is NOT a starter in this league, sorry. his height gets people drooling but his tackling is shameful. good corners wrap up when their man catches a pass. williams is already a solid tackler and bailey is prolly the best in the business. walls arm tackles and wr's run right through him. and no, he's not better that KC's two--maybe one, but he never will be better than Surtain. walls can play nickel and, right now, he's about equal with Fox but will be out of a job next year, IMO. and no, you can't teach tackling because tackling is 90% attitude and heart and 10% technique. it comes down to how much a guy wants to tackle--just ask deion sanders.

[Ballhawk]

He was getting his arse handed to him against Jax and got pulled mid-drive. Hes also managed to lose his job to not one rookie but two. Im going with the coachs on this one they obviously know more then either of us.

Walls also gets put into more man than the rookies. Last year everyone was saying Champ was having a bad year because he got beat more than a few times, but he was going man so much to cover up our lack of pass rush.

If all things were equal with Lenny and the Rooks, I would still play the rooks given Walls is in his final contract year. Regardless Walls gives us very good depth, or would you rather see Roc out there???

[ncjmirabile]

Darrent Williams on Burress is an iffy matchup anywhere on the field.

[BroncoBuff]

Yeah, he's great...that's why he's injury free and benched for two rookies. Whatever.
I understand you don't like him, and that's fine.

I readily admit that:

1) Walls sucked vs. Miami. Only a Mensa candidate like Lenny Walls could fail to hydrate in 107 degree weather, and have to go to the locker room with 'cramps'

2) Lenny's weenie joke of a "tackle" against the Chefs in the last minute of the MNF game was a joke - it robbed the Defense of a well-deserved "TD shutout," and it avoided Vermeil's worst loss ever.


BUT . . .

Lenny is NOT injury-prone. He was pretty courageous, imo, coming back 3 times last year despite 3x severe dislocated shoulder. Plus, his reaction/makeup time in pass coverage is EXCELLENT! Even I notice that, and I'm no expert. Remember, he led the AFC (or maybe NFL, I don't remember) in "passes defensed" in 2003.

Since then, he's had the bad luck of 3 dislocated shoulders and surgery . . . and having to be ousted by the Force of Nature that is D-Will.

I like the guy, myself.

[BroncoBuff]

Hey guys, don't be that harsh on Walls.

From what i can gather he's got good straight line speed, good hip fluidity and great acceleration, I see that because he does a good job at running with guys deep down field. His weekness comes in ball skills and tackling. The Ball skills can be drilled into a person and so can tackling. I know he's had a while to improve, but he has the physical tools you can't coach and I have confidence Denver will eventually coach those simple things into this kids head.
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