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Needa Pass Rush
10-19-2005, 06:51 AM
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Giant softies

By RALPH VACCHIANO
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005

Tom Coughlin stood in front of his players on Monday morning and listed all the good things they had done on Sunday in Dallas. He praised the team for its resiliency, the offense for the way it rallied, and said he was impressed with the play of the special teams.
Then he asked, "What's missing from this presentation?"

What he said was missing in Big D was the "D".

Blame the offense all you want for the Giants' 16-13 overtime loss to the Cowboys - certainly Eli Manning and Co. deserve it after all the opportunities they let slip away - but the defense does not deserve all the credit it has been getting. For the fourth time in five games the Giants were shredded by an opponent's passing attack. And they were completely unable to stop the Cowboys when it mattered most.

And that's not just in overtime when Dallas marched 51yards with ease for the game-winning field goal. By then, the Cowboys had controlled the clock (and kept the Giants' offense on the sidelines and out of its rhythm) with two scoring drives that lasted more than eight minutes - a 16-play, 83-yard touchdown drive in the first half (8:02) and a 15-play, 79-yard field goal drive in the second (8:48).

In other words, the reason the Cowboys were able to hold the ball for more than 40 of the game's 63 minutes wasn't just because the Giants had four three-and-outs.

"What was missing is the fact (the Cowboys) had 25 first downs, they were 9 of 16 on third down, and they threw the ball for almost 300 yards (actually 312)," Coughlin said. "At some point in time, we have to take responsibility for getting them off the field defensively."

Unfortunately that's something the Giants haven't done all season. In the first five games they've allowed nine drives of five minutes or longer, including five in the last two games. Meanwhile, Drew Bledsoe became the third opposing quarterback in five games to top 300yards passing and Keyshawn Johnson became the fifth receiver to top 100 receiving.

And this time, they can't use the excuse defensive coordinator Tim Lewis used during the bye week - that the numbers were a result of trying to protect big leads. The Giants' biggest lead was 6-0 and the teams were never more than a touchdown apart. Instead, Coughlin chided the beleaguered secondary for "not enough concentrated, tough, hard-nosed coverage in the underneath areas and even to a certain extent on the outside."

That sounds like coachspeak for "soft."

And that's a problem because the Giants, despite what happened on Sunday, have the offense to make a run at the playoffs in what is a wide-open and mediocre NFC. But they're not going to get there if the defense continues to be one of the league's worst.

At the moment, that's what it is - ranked 31st, giving up an average of 417.2 yards per game. Yes, they're second in the league with 18 takeaways, but as defensive end Michael Strahan conceded, "Turnovers do not mean you're going to win the game."

Defense is what's supposed to be what wins games in the NFL. A little better defense in Dallas and the Giants would be 4-1.

Ron around <pin to broncos locker wall>

So much for Ron Dayne just needing a fresh start. The Giants' No. 1 draft pick in 2000 will make his hardly anticipated return to Giants Stadium on Sunday, and he'll be doing what he always did here - standing on the sideline. He's third on the Broncos' depth chart and has 53 yards on just 13 carries.

Tiki gets passed over in air attack

Before offensive coordinator John Hufnagel gets skewered for abandoning the running game and ignoring Tiki Barber, consider this:

Last year the Giants ran the ball on 44.5% of their plays (424 of 951). This year it's 43.4% (125 of 288). Last year, Barber touched the ball on 39.3% of the plays (374 of 951). This year it's 32.9% (95 of 288). That's less than four fewer touches per game. And remember, the Giants didn't have Plaxico Burress last year. Plus, Barber is still on pace for 1,270 rushing yards.

That said, it would help if Eli Manning would occasionally dump the ball off to Barber, who can be a dangerous weapon in the passing game. He has only seven catches for 91yards and he's been thrown to only 10times. After averaging 59catches in his first eight seasons, he's on pace for a measly 22.

Toom & gloom

Speaking of players missing in action, has anyone seen Amani Toomer? Manning apparently hasn't. Arguably the greatest receiver in franchise history, Toomer has just 11 catches for 146 yards. So is this the beginning of the end for Toomer? Probably not. Toomer is signed through 2008. He's due $2.4 million next season, but the cap hit would be twice as much if he were cut.

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Hot seat


Offensive coordinator John Hufnagel. It's never a good sign when players even tactfully criticize the play-calling.

X's and O's


Before Brandon Jacobs' fumble in Dallas, the Giants had run 10 'goal-line' plays inside the 5. Jacobs ran three times, Barber once and Eli Manning attempted six passes.

Whispers

If Dom Capers is fired in Houston, which seems likely, could he land in New York? He was Coughlin's defensive coordinator in Jacksonville in 1999-2000.

Sean
10-19-2005, 07:00 AM
Ron around <pin to broncos locker wall>

So much for Ron Dayne just needing a fresh start. The Giants' No. 1 draft pick in 2000 will make his hardly anticipated return to Giants Stadium on Sunday, and he'll be doing what he always did here - standing on the sideline. He's third on the Broncos' depth chart and has 53 yards on just 13 carries.


Did Ron screw this guy's wife or something? What an ass.

Needa Pass Rush
10-19-2005, 07:10 AM
Did Ron screw this guy's wife or something? What an ass.

Pin this right over Dayne's locker.

Pat Bowlen
10-19-2005, 07:14 AM
Did Ron screw this guy's wife or something? What an ass.
He didn't really say anything untrue. How do you feel about Deltha?

TheReverend
10-19-2005, 07:30 AM
Did Ron screw this guy's wife or something? What an ass.

Some of my friends knew Dayne when I lived in Wisconsin... from what Ive heard, thats a very real possibility

TheReverend
10-19-2005, 07:30 AM
He didn't really say anything untrue. How do you feel about Deltha?

The pro-bowl Corner and greatest punt returner we've ever had?

Sean
10-19-2005, 07:37 AM
He didn't really say anything untrue. How do you feel about Deltha?

I see your point, but still think his quip was uncalled for.

Pat Bowlen
10-19-2005, 07:52 AM
I see your point, but still think his quip was uncalled for.
Would you feel the same way if Ron wasn't on the team?

Sean
10-19-2005, 08:00 AM
Would you feel the same way if Ron wasn't on the team?

I don't know. Are you switching professions?

Pat Bowlen
10-19-2005, 08:06 AM
Huh?

Sean
10-19-2005, 08:12 AM
Huh?

You're the owner of the Denver Broncos, not a psychologist.

If Dayne wasn't a Bronco? I don't know how I'd feel man, I think I would read the statement just the same as I see it now, as an unnecessary blow.

Ray Finkle
10-19-2005, 08:18 AM
The pro-bowl Corner and greatest punt returner we've ever had?


I think Darren Gordon was better on both fronts....

Pat Bowlen
10-19-2005, 08:21 AM
It wasn't a cheapshot, it was the truth. The author simply wrote about it with Giants fans in mind, that's all. Either way, I'll stay out of your head from now on.

bronco militia
10-19-2005, 08:44 AM
The pro-bowl Corner and greatest punt returner we've ever had?


lol...I guess you're too young to remember Rick Upchurch.


deltha o'neal....bwhahahahaha!

http://www.rickupchurch.com/NFL%20-%20Broncos.htm

bloodsunday
10-19-2005, 11:58 AM
I read a good break down of this game by Scouts Inc on ESPN.com. Since it is protected content, I will just paraphrase a few highlights:

1) Denver owns the passing game match up. They feel that NY's safties and their nickel corner (who is actually a starter right now in place of Allen) are not a good matchup for our offense. They feel NY will be forced to play back and that should help our OL pass block and our running game. On the other side they think Denver has the advantage when NY passes, especially in known situations. Of course, they are counting on Bailey to play and praised the play of our young DBs.

2) They said that NY should utilize the run game more, but also mentioned that we have been pretty stout against the run (88 yds/game). It seemed like an after thought that if we are able to run, we'll win (duh).

Both teams are doing well in TO margin (as the title here suggests) so that will be important. It's particularly crucial for Denver on the road.

In essence, I got the impression they believe that if Denver shows up to play (no Miami type efforts), then they should win. We don't want to get down early and allow NY's offense to be balanced and our O to be pass-oriented (duh).

I think having this game as a 2:15 MDT start is to Denver's advantage. Something about early games and Denver going in the tank. In fact, our schedule says that the only non-afternoon game left this year is @Buffalo on Sunday Night.

TheReverend
10-19-2005, 12:33 PM
I think Darren Gordon was better on both fronts....

I disagree, but I pride myself on having NOT voted for deltha yet for the pro-bowl this year. Champ and Darrent.

Players Im infinitely homer on: Courtney, LaVar, Champ, Plummer, Ashley, Hamilton, Deltha, Middlebrooks, Gold, Bell

Pat Bowlen
10-19-2005, 01:08 PM
I disagree, but I pride myself on having NOT voted for deltha yet for the pro-bowl this year. Champ and Darrent.
Did you watch any Bronco games between 96-98?

Arkie
10-19-2005, 01:20 PM
Ron around <pin to broncos locker wall>

So much for Ron Dayne just needing a fresh start. The Giants' No. 1 draft pick in 2000 will make his hardly anticipated return to Giants Stadium on Sunday, and he'll be doing what he always did here - standing on the sideline. He's third on the Broncos' depth chart and has 53 yards on just 13 carries.


Never mind that Dayne had 43 yards on the 57-yard game winning drive against the Chargers.

24champ
10-19-2005, 03:26 PM
fter the Redskins game, the Broncos got some surprise motivation from veterans within their own locker room - once from a player who has been here a while and once from someone in his first season in Denver.

Receiver Rod Smith called a team meeting and reminded the Broncos of their fast fades after strong starts.

Defensive lineman Ebenezer Ekuban herded his teammates in to look at film, an assignment most of the Broncos would have normally put off until later in the week.

"This is a different team, a more veteran-oriented team" Ekuban said. "Veteran teams have a way of making a difference and keeping a team focused."

If anybody knows how important it is to stay focused after a quick start, it should be the Broncos.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_BRONCOS_START?SITE=CODEN&SECTION=SPORTS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-10-19-18-11-28

we will be ready for this weekend....

Bob's your Information Minister
10-19-2005, 03:49 PM
Man, the Giants coach challenging the defense the week before your game? Not good for the Broncos.

Clockwork Orange
10-19-2005, 03:51 PM
Man, the Giants coach challenging the defense the week before your game? Not good for the Broncos.

Gunther should take notes, he might learn something.

Needa Pass Rush
10-19-2005, 04:24 PM
Man, the Giants coach challenging the defense the week before your game? Not good for the Broncos.

You're always shoveling dirt on the Bronco casket only for them to blow the lid right off of it. Thank you for putting another 'W' in the can. :stuck:

Rock Chalk
10-19-2005, 04:31 PM
Man, the Giants coach challenging the defense the week before your game? Not good for the Broncos.
Not good? How? He can challenge them all he wants, they still aint going to stop us from kicking their teeth in the dirt.

Atlas
10-19-2005, 07:24 PM
I think it's simple. The Giants have visable weaknesses they have been winning games by big plays on offense and forcing turnovers.

I believe that Denver might be able to pass for some big yards BUT that is also the way they can lose if Jake throws INTs and Denver has more turnovers than the Giants the Giants will win.

I feel Denver should play this game exactly like they did against the Pats. Start with the run look for a couple of big pass plays and the run and run and play conservative.
I think some peopel are thinking that Denver should open the passing game up against the Giants. I disagree with that. Keep it conservative and don't turn the ball over and Denver will come back with a victory.

SoDak Bronco
10-19-2005, 08:30 PM
The pro-bowl Corner and greatest punt returner we've ever had?

Greatest we've ever had??? Noway dude, he couldn't hold Darrien Gordon's jock returning punts.

Atlas
10-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Greatest we've ever had??? Noway dude, he couldn't hold Darrien Gordon's jock returning punts.

Gordan was a great punt returner. He had great CLUTCH returns that won games for Denver but he wasn't as good as Rick Upchurch.

Comparing Williams to these two is just wishful thinking. Right now at this moment I don't even think Williams is the best PR on the team. I think Adams is better and right now I think Rod Smith might be better. BUT this is only temporary because Williams has all the tools to be great but that is just what they are great tools. He is going to have to learn how to use them in the NFL. He still runs horizontally too much. You can do that in college but the NFL is just too fast. You have to get vertical in a hurry.

Leave getting horizontal to Kyla.

watermock
10-19-2005, 09:04 PM
Who cares if Dayne gets no respect...he's good insurance and has played well when called upon. He obviously beat out Q. It's not like he cost us anything...we picked him up off the street for minimum.

He's only mentioned because he's going back to Giant's stadium...I wouldn't mind seeing him getting a few touches...he might just have an axe to grind. At any rate, it's completely unimportant. He's there for insurance and I am not sure if he plays special teams much...seems he would make a good wedge buster.

Zelmofromgiantssite
10-20-2005, 07:52 AM
Pin this right over Dayne's locker.

This is nothing compared to what Dayne got back in NY.




-Z

2KBack
10-20-2005, 09:18 AM
He's there for insurance and I am not sure if he plays special teams much...seems he would make a good wedge buster.

He plays special teams, so does bell, it's required of the non-starters