limit jake's passes=victory OR limit any qb's passes=victoy

[Lidderer]

It's less "make jake throw less to win" than it is "any qb who throws under 25 passes, barring an injury, is usually on the winning team".

Just a look at this week's QBs throwing 25 passes or less:

Hasselback: win
Brees: win
Plummer: win
Green: win
Vick: win
Orton: win


6-0 for qbs with 25 and under attempts for this week.


The record for QBs(combos included as well) who throw 25 passes and under for the season so far is: 31-8

Of those 8 losses, 2 are by losman, 1 by alex smith during his first game, and 1 where pennington got hurt and feidler was the backup.


so: throw under 25= 80% chance of victory, and probably a little better than that too.

throw for over 25(I believe this would be 57-80 record)=41% chance of victory.

[The Snake]

So I guess Peyton Manning should limit his passes too? lol

[Blart]

Good find. A team that's in the lead doesn't need to throw.

[Lidderer]

that's clearly the point I'm making

[Lidderer]

i may have screwed up the math on the record for over 25 passes, but I think it's probably right, assuming there have been 88 wins and losses this season.

[Popps]

Good thread.

I love how every week, the haters keep switching up their argument. First, Jake wasn't taking care of the ball. Now, he's taking TOO good of care of the ball and needs to throw it up for grabs. Before, he couldn't throw the long-ball... Sunday he did... so now, he's just plain not throwing enough passes, even though we're winning every game?!?

O.K..

[Sean]

Good thread.

I love how every week, the haters keep switching up their argument. First, Jake wasn't taking care of the ball. Now, he's taking TOO good of care of the ball and needs to throw it up for grabs. Before, he couldn't throw the long-ball... Sunday he did... so now, he's just plain not throwing enough passes, even though we're winning every game?!?

O.K..



Hilarious!

[Crushaholic]

I prefer not to think of it as "limiting Jake's passes". I prefer to think of it as Jake managing the game better and making better decisions on whether to throw or not throw the ball. I love seeing highlights like the pass to Rod Smith Sunday, but I also love the fact we are 5-1.

[Sean]

I prefer not to think of it as "limiting Jake's passes". I prefer to think of it as Jake managing the game better and making better decisions on whether to throw or not throw the ball.

... and that's exactly what's happening.

[OrangeShadow]

I prefer not to think of it as "limiting Jake's passes". I prefer to think of it as Jake managing the game better and making better decisions on whether to throw or not throw the ball.

^5

[GreatBronco16]

I love seeing highlights like the pass to Rod Smith Sunday, but I also love the fact we are 5-1.


That play looked just like the one Smith caught for a TD against Atlanta in the SB. Only difference is Smith is alot slower since then. But it was great. That and the one to Lelie.

And I can't beleive that Bell got caught on the long run of his.

[RaiderH8r]

Good thread.

I love how every week, the haters keep switching up their argument. First, Jake wasn't taking care of the ball. Now, he's taking TOO good of care of the ball and needs to throw it up for grabs. Before, he couldn't throw the long-ball... Sunday he did... so now, he's just plain not throwing enough passes, even though we're winning every game?!?

O.K..
I like that Jake seems to be playing more a more cerebral game (Jake...cerebral....huh hmmm... ). Taking a sack isn't always terrible if the alternative is chucking a ball up for grabs and hoping that the worst that happens is an incompletion. Jake seems more intent on consistantly making good plays and then going for a great one when Shanny calls it. You save the homerun swing for when the count's in your favor, until then just kill'em with 1,000 singles. As long as you're winning.

[BroncoFanDoug]

6-0 for qbs with 25 and under attempts for this week.

so: throw under 25= 80% chance of victory, and probably a little better than that too.

throw for over 25(I believe this would be 57-80 record)=41% chance of victory.

A little different take on the same theme -

What drives a team to pass a lot?

because they can't run the ballbecause they are playing catch-up or are in a scoring fest due to poor defense

On rare occassions you get a great passing attack against a lousy pass defense as a winning combination, but not generally.

So it's not throwing fewer passes that wins, its not NEEDING to throw a lot of passes that wins.

In the end, this is the same as saying that winning teams can run the ball effectively and have good defenses. At least that is my take.

[DivineLegion]

They have to have a good runing game for this to work...Team game!

[Atlas]

Good thread.

I love how every week, the haters keep switching up their argument. First, Jake wasn't taking care of the ball. Now, he's taking TOO good of care of the ball and needs to throw it up for grabs. Before, he couldn't throw the long-ball... Sunday he did... so now, he's just plain not throwing enough passes, even though we're winning every game?!?

O.K..

Jake is playing great.

[Northman]

It's less "make jake throw less to win" than it is "any qb who throws under 25 passes, barring an injury, is usually on the winning team".

Just a look at this week's QBs throwing 25 passes or less:

Hasselback: win
Brees: win
Plummer: win
Green: win
Vick: win
Orton: win


6-0 for qbs with 25 and under attempts for this week.







The record for QBs(combos included as well) who throw 25 passes and under for the season so far is: 31-8

Of those 8 losses, 2 are by losman, 1 by alex smith during his first game, and 1 where pennington got hurt and feidler was the backup.


so: throw under 25= 80% chance of victory, and probably a little better than that too.

throw for over 25(I believe this would be 57-80 record)=41% chance of victory.




My guess is though that the running game was working very well for these teams. ( Atl and Chi im not sure about ) but anytime you can run on someone you wont need to pass a lot.

[Lidderer]

just to clarify based on some responses: this is pro-jake and only intends to suggest that the 'leash' theory posited by several people here as a backhanded compliment to jake is nothing more than foolish.

[BroncoFanDoug]

just to clarify based on some responses: this is pro-jake and only intends to suggest that the 'leash' theory posited by several people here as a backhanded compliment to jake is nothing more than foolish.

I am pro Jake as well - not as the Bronco savior, but as a talented versatile QB that can win the SB with the right cast around him.

If we have a great D and a great running game, we won't run into that many situations when we need to go pass-happy. And we know Plummer can light it up - albeit with more risk - if we do find ourselves down by 10 with 10 minutes to go.

[bombquixote]

It's less "make jake throw less to win" than it is "any qb who throws under 25 passes, barring an injury, is usually on the winning team".

Just a look at this week's QBs throwing 25 passes or less:

Hasselback: win
Brees: win
Plummer: win
Green: win
Vick: win
Orton: win


6-0 for qbs with 25 and under attempts for this week.


The record for QBs(combos included as well) who throw 25 passes and under for the season so far is: 31-8

Of those 8 losses, 2 are by losman, 1 by alex smith during his first game, and 1 where pennington got hurt and feidler was the backup.


so: throw under 25= 80% chance of victory, and probably a little better than that too.

throw for over 25(I believe this would be 57-80 record)=41% chance of victory.

great find. i'm sick of this "if we can just keep jake from shooting himself in the foot, then we have a shot" spiel. what crap. it's not just his ability to "manage the game" that gives us a chance every sunday. if it were, we would've kept griese, or bought dilfer. we hired jake for one reason: the guy's a playmaker.

[errand]

So I guess Peyton Manning should limit his passes too? lol

it's tough to argue with letting Manning air it out....

The point is that there is a difference in throwing because you want to (25 attempts or less) and throwing because you have to (26-50)

Three things can happen when you throw the football (comp, inc, int)and two are not good for the offense....so throwing the ball alot, while it may be the way the Colts "git-r-done"...it isn't the best way to do so.

Turnovers decide games more than anything else, and you increase the probability of a turnover happening when you throw the ball alot.

[Tw0mey]

No, this is strictly on Jake and other average, lower-than-average quarterbacks. Control the game with the run and pass when we have them stuck on the run or on 3rd and longs.

Jake doesn't have the game to be a passing quarterback.

[No1BroncoFan]

great find. i'm sick of this "if we can just keep jake from shooting himself in the foot, then we have a shot" spiel. what crap. it's not just his ability to "manage the game" that gives us a chance every sunday. if it were, we would've kept griese, or bought dilfer. we hired jake for one reason: the guy's a playmaker.
You know, the sad part of this is that we win the Superbowl 42-10, Jake goes 25 of 35 for 350 yards, four TDs and two picks, ther are people on this site that will still b*tch about the two picks! Jake is a gamer and now that he doesn't have yo do it all himself he's gonna shut some people up!

Ben

[Lidderer]

No, this is strictly on Jake and other average, lower-than-average quarterbacks. Control the game with the run and pass when we have them stuck on the run or on 3rd and longs.

Jake doesn't have the game to be a passing quarterback.

name me 10 "passing" quarterbacks.


Also, wasn't jake 3rd in passing yards last year and we finished 10-6?

[BroncoFanDoug]

it's tough to argue with letting Manning air it out....

The point is that there is a difference in throwing because you want to (25 attempts or less) and throwing because you have to (26-50)

Three things can happen when you throw the football (comp, inc, int)and two are not good for the offense....so throwing the ball alot, while it may be the way the Colts "git-r-done"...it isn't the best way to do so.

Turnovers decide games more than anything else, and you increase the probability of a turnover happening when you throw the ball alot.

Check two posts up. Could not agree with you more. Low passing attempts is not good in itself - its an indicator that you have a good run offense and a good D. And those are really good things...