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KillerBronco#76
10-17-2005, 04:53 AM
NAME ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Tatum Bell 58 395 6.8 68 3 2 0
Mike Anderson 88 358 4.1 44 2 1 1

Tatum keeps on busting out the long runs and is a threat on every play, somthing we were missing last year. great to see him living up to his potential so far this year. hopefuly we can keep Tatum and Anderson healthy this year and keep rotating them so they dont wear down.

bloodsunday
10-17-2005, 06:23 AM
Even if you take Tatum's long runs away... he's still averaging more than 4 per carry. He's or best back and deserves more carries....

but put me in the "if ain't broke, don't fix it" boat. The Thunder and Lighting combo has been lethal as of late and don't change it. Next year though, there should be no question about who the starter is, IMO.

Bronco LB 59
10-17-2005, 01:40 PM
I think yards/carry is my favorite stat to evaluate the performance of a running back. Bell is also averaging 5.9 yards per carry for his career on 133 carries.

Bronco LB 59
10-17-2005, 01:41 PM
Here are the NFL record holders in the yards/carry department.

Source: NFL Record and Fact Book

Highest Average Gain, Career (750 attempts)
6.36 Randall Cunningham, Philadelphia, 1985-1995; Minnesota, 1997-99; Dallas, 2000; Baltimore, 2001 (775-4,928)
5.22 Jim Brown, Cleveland, 1957-1965 (2,359-12,312)
5.14 Eugene (Mercury) Morris, Miami, 1969-1975; San Diego, 1976 (804-4,133)

Highest Average Gain, Season (Qualifiers)
8.44 Beattie Feathers, Chi. Bears, 1934 (119-1,004)
7.98 Randall Cunningham, Philadelphia 1990 (118-942)
7.52 Michael Vick, Atlanta, 2004 (120-902)

Does anybody know the YPC single season record for a modern day RB?

24champ
10-17-2005, 01:41 PM
What happened to the Dayne train?


and thats why Don Majowski is my hero.....

Ballhawk
10-17-2005, 01:43 PM
I said early when discussing Bell vs Jone vs Jackson that if Bell p;ayed on StL or Dallas he would be a top RB. As long as he is getting 15 plus carries he is effective for us.

Just please improve on the pass cathcing Bell!!! That was a huge drop yesterday.

Sean
10-17-2005, 01:58 PM
Does anybody know the YPC single season record for a modern day RB?

I'll go ahead and guess TD's 5.5 YPC in the 1998 season.

Broncoman13
10-17-2005, 02:03 PM
I said early when discussing Bell vs Jone vs Jackson that if Bell p;ayed on StL or Dallas he would be a top RB. As long as he is getting 15 plus carries he is effective for us.

Just please improve on the pass cathcing Bell!!! That was a huge drop yesterday.


It was "catchable" but still not a good throw. Easy first down was missed either way, but you can give credit to both Jake and Bell for that missed Op.

I like the way we're using Bell. You can tell he's fresh when he gets in there. Say what you like about RBBC but when the Marine rings the Bell good things happen!!!

Our RBBC corps needs a name. THREAD!!!

Billy Clyde Puckett
10-17-2005, 02:21 PM
[QUOTE=24champbailey]What happened to the Dayne train?


We'll be happy he is here before the seaon is over.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-17-2005, 07:51 PM
Another stat
Clinton Portis, 20 games- 5 TDs
Tatum Bell, 20 games- 6 TDs

Ballhawk
10-17-2005, 07:56 PM
It was "catchable" but still not a good throw. Easy first down was missed either way, but you can give credit to both Jake and Bell for that missed Op.

I like the way we're using Bell. You can tell he's fresh when he gets in there. Say what you like about RBBC but when the Marine rings the Bell good things happen!!!

Our RBBC corps needs a name. THREAD!!!

Regardless Bell does not have soft hands, it really is the only drawback having him in there. Our RBs do not stay in to block enough to make a differance there. Would like Bell to get closer to 20, but cant argue with the results.

bloodsunday
10-18-2005, 05:40 AM
Another stat
Clinton Portis, 20 games- 5 TDs
Tatum Bell, 20 games- 6 TDs
What's the ratio of starts and carriers to those TDs? I bet Clinton had more starts and more carries in those 20 games.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-18-2005, 06:10 AM
133 to 447

bloodsunday
10-18-2005, 06:21 AM
133 to 447
So that's 447 carries for Clinton to get to those TDs and only 133 for Tatum? Wow! What's funny is that intuition tells you that MA or Dayne (even Droughns) would be a better redzone back than Tatum because of their respective size and running style. The reality is that Tatum's vision, quickness, and ability to hit a crease make him a better redzone back.

Imagine what goes through a DC's head if Tatum lines up in the back field on 3 and 1? If you clog the middle, Tatum could stretch you and go the distance (as Washington found out). If you stretch out the line of scrimmage to respect the toss, the yardage is easy to pick up.

Bottom line, Tatum is our best RB. But I really like this setup. Both backs are staying healthy and fresh. We can utilize the strenghts of both and we are winning. Lucky for us Tatum is the kind of back that can come in off the Bench and kick ass -- he doesn't need 25 carries to be a good back. In fact, it might be a good thing that MA is taking some carries so that we don't wear Tatum out too early in the year or in his career.

Merlin
10-18-2005, 06:29 AM
I think most of those TDs were not in the Red Zone, and I see little to justify the belief that he has better vision than MA tight in the Red Zone (he may, I just have not seen it).

DarkHorse
10-18-2005, 06:35 AM
I love the consensus of people that bash Bells lack of "blocking skills" "reveiving skills" etc.... based on him appearing in what? 4 games so far total for his career?

How many has he started again? 1 I think - damn you guys are good to be able to judge that early.

bloodsunday
10-18-2005, 06:48 AM
I think most of those TDs were not in the Red Zone, and I see little to justify the belief that he has better vision than MA tight in the Red Zone (he may, I just have not seen it).
Did you see his touch down in the redzone Sunday? Did you see the first TD of his career (against SD)? Both are examples of what makes him special in the redzone. He hits the hole fast and only needs a small crease to get in. It's true that the OL needs to do their jobs, but it easier for this OL to crease the D than to push them around.

He also has the speed to take a toss play into the endzone from 5 yards out (a play we haven't run much since TD).

bloodsunday
10-18-2005, 06:51 AM
I love the consensus of people that bash Bells lack of "blocking skills" "reveiving skills" etc.... based on him appearing in what? 4 games so far total for his career?

How many has he started again? 1 I think - damn you guys are good to be able to judge that early.
Everything I have heard from Shanny is to the contrary. Shanny is complimentary of the work that Tatum does blocking. I am guessing that the two concerns right now with Tatum are 1) fumbles and 2) whether or not he is durable enough to take 350 - 400 carries in a season.

That latter is the reason why this arrangement works so well. How valuable will it be to have Tatum fresh and his speed still apparent in weeks 12 - 16? Rueben Droughns looked like a man running on fumes at the end of last season.

Merlin
10-18-2005, 06:51 AM
I love the consensus of people that bash Bells lack of "blocking skills" "reveiving skills"
I like Bell a great deal, and I look forward to the day he is our #1 RB, but his there are valid reasons to wonder about his receiving skills. He has droped passes in crucial situations. However, I don't think he has butter fingers, I think he just needs time to develop his concentration and receiving skills further.

DarkHorse
10-18-2005, 07:26 AM
I like Bell a great deal, and I look forward to the day he is our #1 RB, but his there are valid reasons to wonder about his receiving skills. He has droped passes in crucial situations. However, I don't think he has butter fingers, I think he just needs time to develop his concentration and receiving skills further.


Last years critical drops I can understand - but this year the guy misses a ball that's thrown in the dirt and he's Marcus Nash?


Hell, even a dumbass columnist commented that the pass was terrible.

BroncoFanDoug
10-18-2005, 07:40 AM
It was "catchable" but still not a good throw. Easy first down was missed either way, but you can give credit to both Jake and Bell for that missed Op.

I like the way we're using Bell. You can tell he's fresh when he gets in there. Say what you like about RBBC but when the Marine rings the Bell good things happen!!!

Our RBBC corps needs a name. THREAD!!!

That play was going for a LOT more than a 1st. And with Tatum and an open field it could have scored.

I am more and more on the Bell bandwagon, but he still is not as solid as MA for that 2 to 4 yard carry through the middle. I think the combo works great. Usually the sense is that the rb doesn't get into the flow of the game, but they both seem sharp. And this has got to help us later in the year - both will be much fresher than the LTs of the world (good grief, they will probably have him playing defense soon!).

Oskie, what's wrong with Thunder & Lightning? Not sure where it came from but it sure seems to describe em.

Merlin
10-18-2005, 08:41 AM
Oskie, what's wrong with Thunder & Lightning? Not sure where it came from but it sure seems to describe em.
I seem to remember that term being used by the Giants when to describe Dayne and Tiki Barber, only it did not play out as expected.