Broncos will expose the Pats [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Atlas

10-12-2005, 06:16 AM

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 06:19 AM

I've been thinking the exact opposite. Atlanta is hardly "weak."

DrFate

10-12-2005, 06:25 AM

I've been thinking the exact opposite. Atlanta is hardly "weak."

I am shocked, Bob.

I think this game could go either way, the Pats are very inconsistent after all the injuries. I'd like to see us get some pressure on the figurative metaphor quarterback.

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 06:26 AM

I've been thinking the exact opposite. Atlanta is hardly "weak."

ATL was missing a ton of defensive starters too. The ONLY reason DEN is ranked so high by MANY EXPERTS POWER RANKINGS is they expect NE to come into DEN and win this weekend. Then they can proclaim the triumphant return of the King Pats easier next week. I seriously wonder what kind of self serving crap they will spew if DEN actually wins? Something along the lines of the PATS are back anyway playing a tough DEN team well on the road or something like that.

Needa Pass Rush

10-12-2005, 06:29 AM

I've been thinking the exact opposite. Atlanta is hardly "weak."

How bad is Kan'tPass City going to thump the skinnies this weekend, Roberta? 8')

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 06:31 AM

Pretty bad. Wershington is no Philadelphia. I think we match up well with them.

Getting Roaf, Warfield and Welbourn back is going to be huge.

brncs_fan

10-12-2005, 06:33 AM

Pretty bad. Wershington is no Philadelphia. I think we match up well with them.

Getting Roaf, Warfield and Welbourn back is going to be huge.
Moving up the draft board would be nice.

Rohirrim

10-12-2005, 06:34 AM

Billy Boy had to show his team the Hagler/Hearns fight last week to get them motivated. What's he going to show them this week, "Rocky?" The Pats have won 3 out of 4 SBs and have been whacked by injuries. At some point, they are going to fold. The only thing keeping their noses above the water right now is little Tommy Terrific. Obviously, they won't be able to run on the Broncos, so it comes down to Tommy throwing passes, which he is very good at. If Coyer has the brains to play as aggressively as they did against KC and SD, then TOs will rule the day and Tommy will eat lots of grass.

BTW, I lost money on that Hagler/Hearns fight and I didn't even care. Best fight I ever saw in my life. Two champions walk to the center of the ring and start whaling away, toe to toe. The Hitman is still my favorite boxer of all time, no matter how much money he lost me.

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 06:34 AM

Moving up the draft board would be nice.

I still think you're in for a disappointment there. I see Washington finishing with 8 or 9 wins.

Rohirrim

10-12-2005, 06:36 AM

Pretty bad. Wershington is no Philadelphia. I think we match up well with them.

Getting Roaf, Warfield and Welbourn back is going to be huge.

Oh, did they bail out Warfield? Or is he out on his own recognizance. Ha! I swear, the Chorfs must have their own in-house lawyers.

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 06:37 AM

Pretty bad. Wershington is no Philadelphia. I think we match up well with them.

Getting Roaf, Warfield and Welbourn back is going to be huge.

Somehow, I do not think Washington is going to spot you 17 points this time. Plus, I can not wait to see what gunther tries to do against that max protect scheme and Cooley. Should be a much lower scoring game than the last one and pretty physical.

Washington's OL is very good at pass protection with 8 and their running game is improving. The chiefs are great at home, but it will be interesting none the less.

Needa Pass Rush

10-12-2005, 06:40 AM

I think the Chiefs will beat the 'Skins, especially if Portis is carrying a lighter load because of his leg bruise. The deep ball was there for us last week and Plummer couldn't deliver the rock. I don't think KC will have the same problems. Projected forcast for KC is a balmy 70 for sunday.

brncs_fan

10-12-2005, 06:40 AM

I still think you're in for a disappointment there. I see Washington finishing with 8 or 9 wins.
Should still get a couple nice picks with 15th and 32nd picks in the draft. We could always trade up as well. :twokisses:

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 06:45 AM

I think these types of threads should be immediately flused to the butt

it's not like New England forgot how to play football all of a sudden

very bad mojo

fontaine

10-12-2005, 06:45 AM

Two weeks ago the Chargers go into New England and spank the Patriots. Everyone has written that off to an off day. The Pats then go to a weak NFC team with a backup QB and barely pull out a win. Now everyone is sure New England is back and will be a force to reckon with. They are wrong. Denver will expose the Pats for what they are this year. They are just another 8-8 team with a good offense and a defense that gives up too many big plays.

Denver 31 New England 20

I totally agree. While New England's Offense is still a good one with Brady I think their Defense is a sham.

They are close to last in the league in Rushing and Passing TD given up and have only come away with ONE int for the year. They've given up 20, 27, 20, 41, and 28 points so far in their games.

Jeb/Rod/Bell will have to be front and center for our offense.

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 06:45 AM

Should be a much lower scoring game than the last one and pretty physical.

I'm not really impressed with Washington's defense. They're easily going to be the worst pass rush team we've faced this year, and the last two weeks they've been carved up big time in the running game.

Bronco Yoda

10-12-2005, 06:47 AM

I'm betting the Chiefs lay one on the skins. They're going to beat them like we should have.

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 06:50 AM

I'm betting the Chiefs lay one on the skins. They're going to beat them like we should have.

I agree

there is no way the Chiefs lose 2 in a row at home

baja

10-12-2005, 06:51 AM

I am less worried about this game than I was about the Washington game.

Bronco_Beerslug

10-12-2005, 06:56 AM

I am less worried about this game than I was about the Washington game.

Not me. I'm worried ANYTIME we have to play NE. People are betting they're not as hungry and injuries are taking it's toll on them but good teams find ways to compete every week. That's why they're good teams.

-Slap-

10-12-2005, 07:07 AM

BTW, I lost money on that Hagler/Hearns fight and I didn't even care. Best fight I ever saw in my life. Two champions walk to the center of the ring and start whaling away, toe to toe. The Hitman is still my favorite boxer of all time, no matter how much money he lost me.
Great taste in boxers. The Motor City Cobra was one of the best fighters in history and probably the most exciting fighter of his era. I won way more than I lost on Hearns over the years.

fontaine

10-12-2005, 07:09 AM

I'm not really impressed with Washington's defense. They're easily going to be the worst pass rush team we've faced this year, and the last two weeks they've been carved up big time in the running game.

If I were you I'd be more concerned about Larry pulling a Moe and Curly by fumbling the ball again. Two weeks in a row that he's dropped the rock and each time it led to the other team scoring. In case you were keeping count at home kids that's 2 fumbles in the past 15 carries.

Guess what Sean Taylor and the skins LBs will be thinking about whenever diaper boy gets a handoff?

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 07:19 AM

From the sound of things, Larry's going to see less playing time this week.

I don't really think the fumble against Philly was his fault in any case.

RedskinBronco

10-12-2005, 07:44 AM

I'm betting the Chiefs lay one on the skins. They're going to beat them like we should have.

The redskins never get blown out. I guess you just have to see all their scores to see it. I'm not saying that they won't lose, but even KC won't blow them out. I know anything can happen (especially since the skins have a lot of injuries on defense), but I expect them to keep it close. I'm more confident about stealing one from KC on the road. KC is not mentally tough. I could see them giving the game away if the game plays out like the Denver/skins game

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 07:59 AM

Billy Boy had to show his team the Hagler/Hearns fight last week to get them motivated. What's he going to show them this week, "Rocky?" .

I heard he's gonna show reruns of the Indy/Bronco's playoff games from recent past. Should be, shall we say, "entertaining"?

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 08:02 AM

I am less worried about this game than I was about the Washington game.

Really? That's interesting. The Pats are flying under the radar again it seems. Well, we all know what that means.........

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 08:03 AM

Really? That's interesting. The Pats are flying under the radar again it seems. Well, we all know what that means.........

I'd say 99.9% of the fans don't feel this way

baja is a weird dude

but as for me, if this game is close going into the last 8 minutes of the game

I know we will lose

Rohirrim

10-12-2005, 08:07 AM

I heard he's gonna show reruns of the Indy/Bronco's playoff games from recent past. Should be, shall we say, "entertaining"?

More fitting would be to show them the "Battle of the Bulge." Especially the part where they run out of gas right toward the end of the big fight.

Rohirrim

10-12-2005, 08:08 AM

I'd say 99.9% of the fans don't feel this way

baja is a weird dude

but as for me, if this game is close going into the last 8 minutes of the game

I know we will lose

Your Lou Holz act is getting tiresome, Shack. ;)

yavoon

10-12-2005, 08:10 AM

Two weeks ago the Chargers go into New England and spank the Patriots. Everyone has written that off to an off day. The Pats then go to a weak NFC team with a backup QB and barely pull out a win. Now everyone is sure New England is back and will be a force to reckon with. They are wrong. Denver will expose the Pats for what they are this year. They are just another 8-8 team with a good offense and a defense that gives up too many big plays.

Denver 31 New England 20

I have a hard time understanding how the team that went to the nfc title game is a "weak nfc team." spinderella would be proud.

Rascal

10-12-2005, 08:13 AM

We will lose 5000-0.

RaiderH8r

10-12-2005, 08:17 AM

Does Bell create matchup problems as a receiver out of the backfield now that Harrison is out? Can a LB keep up with him on backfield release and hot routes? Is there anything to the Chargers dismantling of the Pats that the Broncos can learn from and utilize?

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 08:17 AM

Your Lou Holz act is getting tiresome, Shack. ;)

well this time I'm being sincere

Brady and that short dink and dunk passing scares me

dink and dunks have created havoc for our corners playing 10 yards off........

I just hope I don't see a Gannon circa 2002 against us with Brady beating Gannon's completion record

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 08:21 AM

Did you see the Pats passing game last week?

Dink and dunk was the last thing on their minds.

Brady threw a big, beautiful bomb that ranks among the prettiest I've ever seen.

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 08:22 AM

Did you see the Pats passing game last week?

Dink and dunk was the last thing on their minds.

Brady threw a big, beautiful bomb that ranks among the prettiest I've ever seen.

I'm not worried about the bomb, our corners are fast enough for that

but you don't think they see what Miami and Skins did to us and won't utilize that?

boob, you don't do the same game plan every week

Old Dude

10-12-2005, 08:23 AM

5001-0.

We got no shot. These are the World Champions in the midst of the greatest dynasty in NFL history. Brady is the greatest QB since Joe Montana, and he will pick apart our young secondary. The Browncos D-Line can't stop the run, especially if Dillon is toting the ball. Our linebackers are too slow to cover guys like Graham and Watson. We will be beaten badly on special teams, and thoroughly outcoached. Jake will continue turning the ball over, our running backs suck, and Rod Smith is too old to play.

I think that covers it.

yavoon

10-12-2005, 08:23 AM

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 08:24 AM

I'd say 99.9% of the fans don't feel this way

baja is a weird dude

but as for me, if this game is close going into the last 8 minutes of the game

I know we will lose

Sorry, we hold the patent on "reverse karma". Bronco's 5; Pats 4

Hotrod

10-12-2005, 08:38 AM

Two weeks ago the Chargers go into New England and spank the Patriots. Everyone has written that off to an off day. The Pats then go to a weak NFC team with a backup QB and barely pull out a win. Now everyone is sure New England is back and will be a force to reckon with. They are wrong. Denver will expose the Pats for what they are this year. They are just another 8-8 team with a good offense and a defense that gives up too many big plays.

Denver 31 New England 20

Yikes! Im just hoping we dont "expose" them as the world beaters they are. Im going with quietly confident/hopeful this week.

Denver 2? Pats 2?

yavoon

10-12-2005, 08:46 AM

now kevin faulk's career may be over. at some point u gotta ask if god just doesn't want the patriots in it.

Rohirrim

10-12-2005, 08:49 AM

I don't worry about karma when it comes to the Broncos. After what happened to TD, Eddie, Pryce, Anderson, etc. etc. etc. WE'RE OWED!!! Ya hear that, Football Goddess?

Come to think of it, if TD was still here, and still healthy all these years, Greaseboy would prolly still be our QB! !Booya!

Rascal

10-12-2005, 08:49 AM

Yeah I heard that too. Too bad I liked Faulk.

BMF Bronco

10-12-2005, 08:53 AM

Did you see the Pats passing game last week?

Dink and dunk was the last thing on their minds.

Brady threw a big, beautiful bomb that ranks among the prettiest I've ever seen.
That was a gorgeous pass, reminded me of an Elway pass!!!

Needa Pass Rush

10-12-2005, 08:54 AM

I heard he's gonna show reruns of the Indy/Bronco's playoff games from recent past. Should be, shall we say, "entertaining"?

If he was smart he would run the clips of Shannon Sharpe mouthing off about calling the white house. That could be more motivational. :welcome:

Needa Pass Rush

10-12-2005, 08:58 AM

Phantom

10-12-2005, 09:20 AM

Shanny's got something in store for this game. I think we played vanilla last week - scheme-wise. Shanny will have something new for this game - back field formation or WR set. We will see some reverses, maybe a trick play.

I would love to see the D line jumping around and resetting prior to the snap - ala the Chiefs game. Mix it up - bring the heat.

Broncos 30 - Pats 21

Phantom

10-12-2005, 09:21 AM

Can't have a post count of 666.

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 09:21 AM

I'm not worried about the bomb, our corners are fast enough for that

but you don't think they see what Miami and Skins did to us and won't utilize that?

boob, you don't do the same game plan every week

Naturally. At the same time, none of your corners are as fast as Bethel Johnson.

Are you going to tell me the Patriots are incapable of getting one of their faster WRs matched up with Walls?

Besides, it's not all about speed. Ever heard of a double move?

Rascal

10-12-2005, 09:23 AM

Yeah two catches for the year. Plus you may have forgotten DW and Foxworth's 40 times...here's a hint...they are really fast.

Besides Walls is #4 behind Champ, DW, and Foxworth.

RhymesayersDU

10-12-2005, 09:25 AM

The Broncos Will Have No Problem Stopping Bethel Johnson.

;)

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 09:30 AM

Naturally. At the same time, none of your corners are as fast as Bethel Johnson.

Are you going to tell me the Patriots are incapable of getting one of their faster WRs matched up with Walls?

Besides, it's not all about speed. Ever heard of a double move?

seriously dude

bethel johnson?

is that the best you could do

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 09:34 AM

seriously dude

bethel johnson?

is that the best you could do

Bethel Johnson is the WR that caught the bomb.

And like I said, it's not all about speed. You have rookies in the secondary, they are vulnerable.

It wasn't just that one bomb, either. Brady went downfield to the tight ends as well.

The Big E

10-12-2005, 09:38 AM

Great taste in boxers. The Motor City Cobra was one of the best fighters in history and probably the most exciting fighter of his era. I won way more than I lost on Hearns over the years.
Hitman = All-time favorite.

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 09:42 AM

Bethel Johnson is the WR that caught the bomb.

And like I said, it's not all about speed. You have rookies in the secondary, they are vulnerable.

It wasn't just that one bomb, either. Brady went downfield to the tight ends as well.

suffice it to say

I'm more worried about their TEs on the 10 yard hook route or Deion Branch on a 1 yard screen pass busting it for 10 yards a pop

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 09:50 AM

Mile High Shack

10-12-2005, 10:01 AM

That's it MHS. I am way more concerned with Brady exposing the Secondary's weak ass coverage scheme to this point. If Champ does not play, the dink and dunk will KILL this team.

Especially if they go Five wide like they are more prone to do against weaker secondaries. If they go Five Wide the CB's are going to have to make plays. Walls tried so hard to NOT give up the Slant's last week and did a much better job but Brunell still completed three of four against him. They have got to take away the slants and trust the pass rush in five wide. Let Brady get pummeled by taking away the short stuff and forcing him to throw over the top with safety help IMHO.

I totally agree.............

we will see the first drive of the game how the D will play

bend but don't break like Sunday or IF champ plays and they tighten up.......if we can allow only 3-4 yard gains on those short passes

I think our dline vs. their oline is our advantage though with all their injuries

ozomulsion

10-12-2005, 10:02 AM

now kevin faulk's career may be over. at some point u gotta ask if god just doesn't want the patriots in it.

OT, your Browns are doing well this year. You must be proud.

meangene

10-12-2005, 10:17 AM

Jesus Quintana

10-12-2005, 10:28 AM

RedskinBronco

10-12-2005, 10:29 AM

If Champ is back I would rather see NE go five wide. That only leaves five blockers and our d-line would get one on one matchups. I don't see it though. Not with the state of their o-line. We will see more of last week only with better personnel. If we don't find some answer to the max protect it will be a long day. I'm betting our offense gets it going this week and I look for a higher scoring game.

good post. I also expect a high scoring game. NE hasn't been scaring anybody on defense. Matt Schaub is not bad, but there is no way he should have had that good of a game against the Pats. Also, I know SD is talented on offense, but giving up 41 points at home is an alarming sign especially after SD scored only 22 at home on MNF. Yea Pittsburgh has a good defense, but this is actually going to be maybe the most vulnerable D that Denver has faced this year.

Miami, Jacksonville, Washington are all exceptional defenses.

San Diego is average.

KC I don't count as a defense. :flush:

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 11:22 AM

What are you guys talking about? The state of our Offensive line? We've been without Matt Light since the pittsburgh game so the 2 rookies on the left side have had a few games to get together. mankins was already starting and Kaczur has started to get a feel. Sure, it's not the perfect scenario, but it's not like this is a new development. No RB pass blocks or picks up a blitz like Dillon either.

Bethel Johnson will burn ya if you're not careful. his work habits come under some scrutiny, but when they put him out there and he knows where he's supposed to be going, there aren't many that can run with him. Including Champ Bailey. I really don't think you'll be seeing alot of him though, or 5 WR sets. I'm thinking they're gonna want to control the clock and keep the banged up defense off the field as much as possible. That means running Dillon 25 times and/or dink and dunking it.

You do Know that four of our CB's run 4.3 or better right? Including Champ who has been timed 4.27. Darrent Williams and Foxworth have CLOSING speed too. The only way you get behind these guys is if Walls gets significant playing time and they do NOT roll a safety his way like they have been doing all year round.

As for your OL, they have not run blocked very well to this point and Brady takes a LOT of hits. This DL has been very consistent in pressuring the QB until the teams go with 7-8 in Max Protect. Even then, they have not been able to go over the top since an injured Walls reintered the MIA game like an Idiot to give up a 60+ TD to the WR speed challenged Marty Booker.

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 11:35 AM

Not me. I'm worried ANYTIME we have to play NE. People are betting they're not as hungry and injuries are taking it's toll on them but good teams find ways to compete every week. That's why they're good teams.
I think the Patriots three Super Bowls were flukes. Using FoxSports statistical analysis, the Lions, Browns, and Texans would have won those Super Bowls.

Rascal

10-12-2005, 11:56 AM

Well the pats secondary just got a bit worse. Apparently they placed Chad Scott on IR. Plus Seymour and McGinest weren't at practice today.

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 11:59 AM

Well the pats secondary just got a bit worse. Apparently they placed Chad Scott on IR. Plus Seymour and McGinest weren't at practice today.

It's all part of our "master plan". Now if we can just injure Brady and Adam V. the Superbowl will be ours!!!!!

Seriously though, I'm starting to think that all these injuries may actually weaken the team somehow. Call me crazy, but............

24champ

10-12-2005, 12:11 PM

I agree

there is no way the Chiefs lose 2 in a row at home

yeah there is a way its called running the ball, you do that against the queefs you got the game. !Booya!

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 12:13 PM

Well the pats secondary just got a bit worse. Apparently they placed Chad Scott on IR. Plus Seymour and McGinest weren't at practice today.

I swear the Only team that loses more CB's to injury than DEN is NE! How the F*** did they beat the Colts with rookies in the secondary last year?

:pfbbt: :moody: :cuss: :notworthy

Damn you Belicheck!

Rascal

10-12-2005, 12:16 PM

Well this year I think the Falcons have us beat for the number of injuries to the secondary. I think they just put their second or third guy on IR.

Falcons and Pats will meet in the SB.

Play2win

10-12-2005, 12:21 PM

Another AFC WEST TEAM, another Blow-Out LOSS for the GAY-TROTS...

Nothing to see here, folks. Move on, Move on...

Play2win

10-12-2005, 12:23 PM

I swear the Only team that loses more CB's to injury than DEN is NE! How the **** did they beat the Colts with rookies in the secondary last year?

:pfbbt: :moody: :cuss: :notworthy

Damn you Belicheck!
Well, there was this memo from the Commisioner... ;D

24champ

10-12-2005, 12:23 PM

Another AFC WEST TEAM, another Blow-Out LOSS for the GAY-TROTS...

Nothing to see here, folks. Move on, Move on...
i dont know play2win, Belichick is the best at replacing players and has a good scheme, I wouldnt write off the pats just yet. ;)

Garcia Bronco

10-12-2005, 12:25 PM

Dude...Atlanta has a good defense and Brady was near perfect.

24champ

10-12-2005, 12:26 PM

Dude...Atlanta has a good defense and Brady was near perfect.
dude Vick didnt play....

Rascal

10-12-2005, 12:28 PM

Atlanta also put their MLB on IR. They are starting to get real thin back there.

BMF Bronco

10-12-2005, 12:31 PM

Atlanta also put their MLB on IR. They are starting to get real thin back there.
Granted Champ has been out, but other than that, we have bee.....

screw that, I am not finishing that and putting the curse on us! :dummy:

Play2win

10-12-2005, 12:31 PM

i dont know play2win, Belichick is the best at replacing players and has a good scheme, I wouldnt write off the pats just yet. ;)
Wrong, his two Head Coordinators were at getting talent to work int their system. No Head Coordinators, no longer the same team. Belicheck takes alot of credit that would have been more corectly placed in his (*FORMER*) Head Coordinators.

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 12:39 PM

Wrong, his two Head Coordinators were at getting talent to work int their system. No Head Coordinators, no longer the same team. Belicheck takes alot of credit that would have been more corectly placed in his (*FORMER*) Head Coordinators.

I disagree a little.

I believe Weiss was the heart and soul of their offensive team, but Crennel rode the coattails of a brilliant defensive scheme that he co-created with Belicheck every week. I think Crennel is not going to turn CLE around anytime soon, but Weiss may just have a shot to beat USC this weekend.

Case in point:

NE is still the worst rushing team in the NFL. They are going to get a rude awakening this weekend with DEN's Run Defense. Running is about timing in playcalling. It is about setting up your opponent and keeping him on his heels reeling over pass or run. Weiss was a master at that style of playcalling. Now, NE is lucky to get a 100 yards total a game.

Garcia Bronco

10-12-2005, 12:40 PM

dude Vick didnt play....

That's not the point...I'm saying that Atlanta has a good defense and they didn't force bad throws or bad decisions....the Pats offense beat the Pats defense.

Mediator12

10-12-2005, 12:42 PM

That's not the point...I'm saying that Atlanta has a good defense and they didn't force bad throws or bad decisions....the Pats offense beat the Pats defense.

ATL's defense is coming on hard times with injuries GB. They lost two starters early in the game and Patrick Kerney missed two quarters as well before coming back and not playing very well.

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 12:54 PM

Wrong, his two Head Coordinators were at getting talent to work int their system. No Head Coordinators, no longer the same team. Belicheck takes alot of credit that would have been more corectly placed in his (*FORMER*) Head Coordinators.
This sounds eerily familiar to what I have been hearing about the Broncos for the past five or six years.

"Shanahan sucks. He never would have won without Elway."

Well, Elway didn't win before Shanahan got here.

"Elway only won his Super Bowls because of TD."

Okay, well, TD didn't win any after Elway left.

"TD was just a product of the Broncos running back factory."

None of the one since him have achieved the success TD achieved (although Clinton Portis may have approached it, had he stayed).

The bottom line is that few people want to give credit for success. There is always a "but" involved - sometimes two of them, depending on who is doing the arguing.

I just can't, with a straight face, talk trash about a team that has won three out of the last four Super Bowls. That is just too damn hard to do to not garner my respect.

Play2win

10-12-2005, 01:04 PM

This sounds eerily familiar to what I have been hearing about the Broncos for the past five or six years.

"Shanahan sucks. He never would have won without Elway."

Well, Elway didn't win before Shanahan got here.

"Elway only won his Super Bowls because of TD."

Okay, well, TD didn't win any after Elway left.

"TD was just a product of the Broncos running back factory."

None of the one since him have achieved the success TD achieved (although Clinton Portis may have approached it, had he stayed).

The bottom line is that few people want to give credit for success. There is always a "but" involved - sometimes two of them, depending on who is doing the arguing.

I just can't, with a straight face, talk trash about a team that has won three out of the last four Super Bowls. That is just too damn hard to do to not garner my respect.

Its completely different. Coaches and Players. They each have their own responsibilities. You just wonder how much of the New England Coaching responsibilies fell on Belichek, or, really, how much of it was handled by his two very, very excellent Head Coordinators.

BTW- The Patriots first two superbowls didn't impress me at all. I definitely think their were (a few) better teams in the league. But, I'll give them the 9/11 Bowl.

BMF Bronco

10-12-2005, 01:07 PM

This sounds eerily familiar to what I have been hearing about the Broncos for the past five or six years.

"Shanahan sucks. He never would have won without Elway."

Well, Elway didn't win before Shanahan got here.

"Elway only won his Super Bowls because of TD."

Okay, well, TD didn't win any after Elway left.

"TD was just a product of the Broncos running back factory."

None of the one since him have achieved the success TD achieved (although Clinton Portis may have approached it, had he stayed).

The bottom line is that few people want to give credit for success. There is always a "but" involved - sometimes two of them, depending on who is doing the arguing.

I just can't, with a straight face, talk trash about a team that has won three out of the last four Super Bowls. That is just too damn hard to do to not garner my respect.
I don't see how anyone in the world can talk trash about Tom Brady in particular, dude is nothing but class!

Play2win

10-12-2005, 01:18 PM

I don't see how anyone in the world can talk trash about Tom Brady in particular, dude is nothing but class!
Well, I don't know about that. I mean, just look at the team he Plays for...

He is good, I have come to the realization of that, but it doesn't mean I gotta like the guy, or their team. because I don't. I hate those MF'ing cheating Patriots.

Here's to The Patriots having a fabulous 8-8 year!! :thumbsup:

BMF Bronco

10-12-2005, 01:20 PM

Well, I don't know about that. I mean, just look at the team he Plays for...

He is good, I have come to the realization of that, but it doesn't mean I gotta like the guy, or their team. because I don't. I hate those MF'ing cheating Patriots.

Here's to The Patriots having a fabulous 8-8 year!! :thumbsup:
Come on man, don't hide your emotions, let them flow! :giggle:

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 01:27 PM

Its completely different. Coaches and Players. They each have their own responsibilities. You just wonder how much of the New England Coaching responsibilies fell on Belichek, or, really, how much of it was handled by his two very, very excellent Head Coordinators.

BTW- The Patriots first two superbowls didn't impress me at all. I definitely think their were (a few) better teams in the league. But, I'll give them the 9/11 Bowl.
Only time will tell regarding the coordinators. The questions will be answered over the next 5-10 years. Will Belichick be able to win again in that time frame?

As for the Patriots success - I agree that they didn't seem to have the strongest teams those years. But winning three Super Bowls is not a fluke. They were able to do it on something other than just the best talent, and that is pretty cool. They seem to perform uncannily well when there is the most at stake, and that is also pretty cool. And they haven't acted obnoxious in the process - the third pretty cool thing.

Don't get me wrong - I am pulling for them to fall flat on their faces this year. I am tired of them, and I am tired of Boston sports in general. (Especially everyone happily wearing their Red Sox gear, whilst claiming to have been a "big fan" for as long as they can remember. These are the same people who were "big fans" of the Cowboys in the 70's and 90's, the 49ers in the 80's and parts of the 90's, the Yankees prior to the Red Sox, etc. In my mind, they are a step above child molesters and a step below serial murderers on the food chain - but I digress.)

I respect the Patriots, their coaches, their assistant coaches, their owner - anyone who has been involved with making that happen.

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 01:30 PM

horsepower

10-12-2005, 01:34 PM

Two weeks ago the Chargers go into New England and spank the Patriots. Everyone has written that off to an off day. The Pats then go to a weak NFC team with a backup QB and barely pull out a win. Now everyone is sure New England is back and will be a force to reckon with. They are wrong. Denver will expose the Pats for what they are this year. They are just another 8-8 team with a good offense and a defense that gives up too many big plays.

Denver 31 New England 20

i like your optimism,but if we don't get pressure on brady and chase him out of the pocket he could pick our secondary to pieces.

they maybe suffering with injuries, but don't under estimate them ,especially as our own offence hasn't clicked yet.

Rohirrim

10-12-2005, 01:37 PM

Have whoever reads words to you, read you this book. You will see that Weiss and Crennell were merely rooks, bishops tops, in the grand scheme. I would refute what you have stated but it seems the non homers were more than capable of telling you what most already know.

Like I always say......Pats fans tell it like it is, fans of the other 31 teams tell it like they wish it were.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/sonsofkraftybob/334.jpg

Yeah, I'd love to spend time reading a book about the Patsies. Right after I finish, "How to Build Your Own Sparkplugs" and "The Exciting World of Dung Beetles."

Bob's your Information Minister

10-12-2005, 01:40 PM

I wouldn't mind reading that. I pretty much enjoy any football book.

Hell, I'd probably read a similar book about the Broncos teams of the late 90s. Or the late 80s/early 90s.

NYBroncoManiac

10-12-2005, 01:41 PM

Like I always say......Pats fans tell it like it is, fans of the other 31 teams tell it like they wish it were.

Holy Crap! You're not the least bit full of yourself, are you.

PatsWin2002

10-12-2005, 01:45 PM

I am tired of Boston sports in general. (Especially everyone happily wearing their Red Sox gear, whilst claiming to have been a "big fan" for as long as they can remember. These are the same people who were "big fans" of the Cowboys in the 70's and 90's, the 49ers in the 80's and parts of the 90's, the Yankees prior to the Red Sox, etc.

You have the Red Sox fanbase all wrong. You could say that about a lot of teams, but not the Red Sox.

The Red Sox are bigger here than the Broncos are in Denver....and for more than twice as long.

Red Sox Nation is NOT bandwagon.

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 01:45 PM

I wouldn't mind reading that. I pretty much enjoy any football book.

Hell, I'd probably read a similar book about the Broncos teams of the late 90s. Or the late 80s/early 90s.
Bob, don't act so coy! I bet if we looked between your mattress and box spring, we'd find several Broncos books from that era - along with the Madonna Playboy from '85 and the torn out pages from the Sears Catalog that you've collected over the years.

PatsWin2002

10-12-2005, 01:46 PM

Bob, don't act so coy! I bet if we looked between your mattress and box spring, we'd find several Broncos books from that era - along with the Madonna Playboy from '85 and the torn out pages from the Sears Catalog that you've collected over the years.

I had that Playboy! ....and the Madonna Penthouse too. :)

BMF Bronco

10-12-2005, 01:46 PM

i like your optimism,but if we don't get pressure on brady and chase him out of the pocket he could pick our secondary to pieces.

they maybe suffering with injuries, but don't under estimate them ,especially as our own offence hasn't clicked yet.
Nothing against you horsepower, but it's posts like these that get me going. First off, yes we know that's what's needed to win, the Chargers did it and I have a feeling we will be doing a lot of film watching from that game, considering we have a similar team. However, that being said, we are the better team of the two (Chargers and us) and a group here is acting like it's the opposite, lest I remind them, yeah we won. Our defense is better than theirs imho and our offense isn't on all cylanders right now, but getting the job done. Not to mention, we're notorious for playing to the talent of those across the field from us, and seeing we're playing the defending champs, I have a feeling we're going to come out firing.

Again, not busting your balls, but I have seen these kinds of posts all over this board this week.

BroncoBuff

10-12-2005, 01:55 PM

Denver 31 New England 20
Well, I'll give you one score the Broncos have already won - INJURIES!

With so many Patriots hurt, out, etc... (and now McGinest has a broken hand?!) - and with the Broncos roster in an unpublicized, but nevertheless astonishingly healthy condition - we damn well better beat them in Denver!

If we can't be this Super-Bowl hungover, walking M*A*S*H unit, coordinator-losing, figurative-metaphor team IN DENVER . . . then "time's up" for all our rosy postseason predictions . . .

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 01:55 PM

Holy Crap! You're not the least bit full of yourself, are you.

I'm just telling like it is.....

Play2win is telling it like he wish it were

but won't be.

bloodsunday

10-12-2005, 01:57 PM

I totally agree. While New England's Offense is still a good one with Brady I think their Defense is a sham.

They are close to last in the league in Rushing and Passing TD given up and have only come away with ONE int for the year. They've given up 20, 27, 20, 41, and 28 points so far in their games.

Jeb/Rod/Bell will have to be front and center for our offense.
Assuming you guys are right -- I've learned never to count the Pats out of anything -- then this game sets up well for us. I'd rather have a medicore D and good O in our opponents because I think that is a good matchup relative to our strengths. Our D should at least slow down their O and our O should be able to execute, assuming it doesn't rain or snow ;D When our O can execute, we are usually in good shape because we can control the tempo of the game. Hopefully Bailey can go because we'll need all our DBs. NE is gonna come out winging the ball.

The other factor that I think we have going for us is that NE has been riding an emotional rollercoaster this season. Up one week, down the next. You could tell they put a lot of emotion and heart into last weeks game -- even BB threw his head set and did a fist pump. As their reward they get to go on the road for the second week in a row. It's a cruel, cruel league.

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 01:59 PM

Well, I'll give you one score the Broncos have already won - INJURIES!

With so many Patriots hurt, out, etc... (and now McGinest has a broken hand?!) - and with the Broncos roster in an unpublicized, but nevertheless astonishingly healthy condition - we damn well better beat them in Denver!

If we can't be this Super-Bowl hungover, walking M*A*S*H unit, coordinator-losing, figurative-metaphor team IN DENVER . . . then "time's up" for all our rosy postseason predictions . . .

I wouldn't go that far.....it's just a regular season game. Belichick has a way of scheming for 1 single game....just one. If we played the same team 10 times in a row (a decent team) the Pats would lose 7or 8 out of 10. But for 1 game and done....Belichick is the man!!!!

bloodsunday

10-12-2005, 02:01 PM

Have whoever reads words to you, read you this book. You will see that Weiss and Crennell were merely rooks, bishops tops, in the grand scheme. I would refute what you have stated but it seems the non homers were more than capable of telling you what most already know.

Our coach wrote a book once to.... lot a good that did.

If you think your team won't miss the two coordinators, you are crazy. Both have had early success in their respective situations. I would hardly call them rooks. What's better, Crennel was nice enough to send us Brown and Warren. We'll know at season's end, but I bet you miss them more than you think.

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 02:01 PM

You have the Red Sox fanbase all wrong. You could say that about a lot of teams, but not the Red Sox.

The Red Sox are bigger here than the Broncos are in Denver....and for more than twice as long.

Red Sox Nation is NOT bandwagon.
I have no doubt of that. Unfortunately, their reputation has been tarnished by all of those that have tried to jump ON their bandwagon, and those are the ones I have to see every day.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was that horrible movie with Drew Barrymore and whatshisname from Saturday Night Live. I would bet that most true Red Sox fans were horrified by it, as well. It is a metaphor for what I feel, as an outsider, being a Red Sox fan has become - cutesy.

The other night, Jennifer Garner was on Leno, and he asked her about her newfound Red Sox fandom. She started spouting off these cute little fun facts like she was some sort of Red Sox evangelist. It came across the same way my 7 year-old son comes across when people ask him about the Broncos - like an adult has brainwashed him into revering all things Bronco (an accurate assessment, by the way).

What teams do we hate?
"The Chiefs and the Raiders!"

Who is our favorite player of all-time?
"John Elway!"

Who is your favorite player on the Red Sox?
Jennifer Garner: "Papi, schmappy!" (hee hee)

:TJnPopps:

I was genuinely happy for the Red Sox fan base after they won. But fair or not, my happiness turned to disdain as soon as Hollywood (and everyone else) relocated to "Red Sox Nation."

yavoon

10-12-2005, 02:02 PM

I have no doubt of that. Unfortunately, their reputation has been tarnished by all of those that have tried to jump ON their bandwagon, and those are the ones I have to see every day.

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was that horrible movie with Drew Barrymore and whatshisname from Saturday Night Live. I would bet that most true Red Sox fans were horrified by it, as well. It is a metaphor for what I feel, as an outsider, being a Red Sox fan has become - cutesy.

The other night, Jennifer Garner was on Leno, and he asked her about her newfound Red Sox fandom. She started spouting off these cute little fun facts like she was some sort of Red Sox evangelist. It came across the same way my 7 year-old son comes across when people ask him about the Broncos - like an adult has brainwashed him into revering all things Bronco (an accurate assessment, by the way).

What teams do we hate?
"The Chiefs and the Raiders!"

Who is our favorite player of all-time?
"John Elway!"

Who is your favorite player on the Red Sox?
Jennifer Garner: "Papi, schmappy!" (hee hee)

:TJnPopps:

I was genuinely happy for the Red Sox fan base after they won. But fair or not, my happiness turned to disdain as soon as Hollywood (and everyone else) relocated to "Red Sox Nation."

really? I hate the red sox. they are just like the yankees only they suck. and because they suck for a long time in a big market it makes them adorable? god.

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 02:06 PM

I had that Playboy! ....and the Madonna Penthouse too. :)
I was 15 or so when it came out, and my buddies and I went and got it - kept it between my mattress and box spring, just like Bob.

So one day, my crazy step-monster goes digging around in my room, and finds it. She immediately goes to narc on me to my dad, to which he replies, "You know, you start looking under the mattress of a fifteen-year-old boy, you deserve anything you find."

I had no idea the old guy had it in him.

Bronco_Beerslug

10-12-2005, 02:07 PM

I wouldn't mind reading that. I pretty much enjoy any football book.

Hell, I'd probably read a similar book about the Broncos teams of the late 90s. Or the late 80s/early 90s.

Any moron knows that "The Exciting World of Dung Beetles" would be an infinitely better read!

PatsWin2002

10-12-2005, 02:07 PM

I was genuinely happy for the Red Sox fan base after they won. But fair or not, my happiness turned to disdain as soon as Hollywood (and everyone else) relocated to "Red Sox Nation."

Even WE hated seeing Tom Hanks or whoever up in the monster seats at Fenway last fall....and then watching them ruin the moments with the filming of a movie about the Red Sox......played by New Yorker Jimmy Fallon. :gripe:

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 02:11 PM

Our coach wrote a book once to.... lot a good that did.

If you think your team won't miss the two coordinators, you are crazy. Both have had early success in their respective situations. I would hardly call them rooks. What's better, Crennel was nice enough to send us Brown and Warren. We'll know at season's end, but I bet you miss them more than you think.

We'll see. I don't miss them yet. Unless they gained supernatural powers of healing serious injuries. Cause that is the only thing separating us from last year and the one before it.

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 02:11 PM

I'm just telling like it is.....

Play2win is telling it like he wish it were

but won't be.
Right. Enjoy your little run while you have it, because it is fleeting. This time next year, you'll be going to some other team's messageboard to hear "how it is."

I still respect the Patriots, in spite of stupid comments like that.

I'll give you credit for this quote, "Have whoever reads words to you, read you this book."

That was funny. Maybe you should quit while you're ahead.

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 02:13 PM

Any moron knows that "The Exciting World of Dung Beetles" would be an infinitely better read!

On a serious note.....the book is solid. It's really good and every coach in the league should read it. Gets you inside the clubhouse, meeting and shows you the inner working of a successful franchise. I would have liked it even if I were not a Pats fan. The author was Boston globe reporter who was given unlimited access........and I mean unlimited acces to the whole organization. There were no doors closed on him. Good read, Bob will tell you all about it!

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 02:19 PM

Right. Enjoy your little run while you have it, because it is fleeting. This time next year, you'll be going to some other team's messageboard to hear "how it is."

I still respect the Patriots, in spite of stupid comments like that.

I'll give you credit for this quote, "Have whoever reads words to you, read you this book."

That was funny. Maybe you should quit while you're ahead.

Did you even bother to scroll up to know why I wrote that? or do you think I just came onto an opponents messageboard and looked at the avatars, picked his out, and then proceeded to talk smack for no apparent reason?

Listen, I can play nice and 99% of my posts here have been quite non football related with absolutely ZERO smack.

But don't let that fool you, if provoked I am the undisputed king of smack.

OrangeShadow

10-12-2005, 02:19 PM

denver 17 NE 10

sonsofkraftybob

10-12-2005, 02:20 PM

denver 17 NE 10

More like Denver 5

Pats 4

but we both will make a killing on the under!!!!!! ;)

BroncoBuff

10-12-2005, 02:23 PM

I wouldn't go that far.....it's just a regular season game. Belichick has a way of scheming for 1 single game....just one. If we played the same team 10 times in a row (a decent team) the Pats would lose 7or 8 out of 10. But for 1 game and done....Belichick is the man!!!!
Welcome, Title-Town visitor! Your post is a very smart one. It would be ex-TREMELY helpful to have a BYE week BEFORE playing the Pats.

I was serious, though - we have NO injuries to speak of - of course Champ Bailey has missed two games, but his replacements - mostly rookies - have been NAILS. And nobody important is on season-ending IR. And that's about it. A weak CB, a 2nd-string LB and a 3rd-string TE are the only others, and Roc Alexander, Pat Chukwurah and Nate Jackson are not missed much - Alexander and Jackson would probably be inactive even if healthy. Therefore - like I say - we simply MUST win Sunday. IMO, a loss under these circumstances would be severely deflating - even though we're in no danger of surrendering first place even if we do lose.

----

How are all our Colorado Buffaloes working for you this year? I know Ted Johnson retired, but you brought in Chad Brown (Belichik obviously knew things could be dicy if you were caught "one Buffalo short").

Daniel Graham's TD last week was a thing of beauty, but is Fauria being phased out? I thought I saw a new tight end in the highlights.

PatsWin2002

10-12-2005, 02:29 PM

Daniel Graham's TD last week was a thing of beauty, but is Fauria being phased out? I thought I saw a new tight end in the highlights.

The new guy is Ben Watson -who was a draft pick 2 years ago, but got hurt early last season.

Daniel Graham's TD was awesome, huh? Just plowing people over and bouncing off everyone. :strong:

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 02:33 PM

Even WE hated seeing Tom Hanks or whoever up in the monster seats at Fenway last fall....and then watching them ruin the moments with the filming of a movie about the Red Sox......played by New Yorker Jimmy Fallon. :gripe:
Ugh. My wife asked when it came out, "Don't you want to go see that? It seems like the way you are with the Broncos."

I looked at her and replied, "Who ARE you? You're dead to me. Dead!"

And I tore my shirt, for the dramatics.

Billy Clyde Puckett

10-12-2005, 02:34 PM

Graham and Watson are probably the nest pair of TE's in the league. DJ and the safeties will need to shut them down in this game.

BroncoBuff

10-12-2005, 02:35 PM

But don't let that fool you, if provoked I am the undisputed king of smack.
Okay, Mr. "Undisputed King" . . . I'll lob you a softball just to test your skee-yallz:

While it may be true the Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls to the Broncos 2 . . . it is ALSO TRUE that the Broncos have appeared in SIX SUPER BOWLS - that's SIX AFC Titles, while New England has managed just five AFC Titles!

That's a real softball . . . okay, "Undisputed King" - show use what'cha got!

DomCasual

10-12-2005, 02:39 PM

Did you even bother to scroll up to know why I wrote that? or do you think I just came onto an opponents messageboard and looked at the avatars, picked his out, and then proceeded to talk smack for no apparent reason?

Listen, I can play nice and 99% of my posts here have been quite non football related with absolutely ZERO smack.

But don't let that fool you, if provoked I am the undisputed king of smack.
Okay, I'll give you that - you can use the provocation defense. But you're still a bastard, just as a matter of principle. :moody:

Bronco_Beerslug

10-12-2005, 02:46 PM

On a serious note.....the book is solid. It's really good and every coach in the league should read it. Gets you inside the clubhouse, meeting and shows you the inner working of a successful franchise. I would have liked it even if I were not a Pats fan. The author was Boston globe reporter who was given unlimited access........and I mean unlimited acces to the whole organization. There were no doors closed on him. Good read, Bob will tell you all about it!
I was just about convinced to go out and buy it and then you mentioned this guy as a referrence..............

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/archives/steve_e1.jpg

Old Dude

10-12-2005, 07:16 PM

I think we'd have a good shot at beating these guys if Kubiak would just quit calling plays that require the offense to execute.

Kaylore

10-12-2005, 07:19 PM

http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/archives/steve_e1.jpg
That's not a man - not anymore, anyway.

Atlas

10-12-2005, 07:26 PM

I think these types of threads should be immediately flused to the butt

it's not like New England forgot how to play football all of a sudden

very bad mojo

I say B.S, I say all the negative threads that call out all the Bronco players are bad "MOJO" as you call it.

Old Dude

10-12-2005, 07:29 PM

Needa Pass Rush

10-12-2005, 07:37 PM

Cecil Sapp is going to have a big game this week.

baja

10-12-2005, 08:29 PM

I think we will see david Terrell

BroncoFanDoug

10-12-2005, 08:39 PM

I had that Playboy! ....and the Madonna Penthouse too. :)

Are we on hairy pits again?! Hilarious!

No idea what you are talking about...

BroncoFanDoug

10-12-2005, 08:56 PM

You guys want smack? I'll give you smack. As harsh as it gets.

On September 9, 1960, the Broncos beat the Patriots in the very first AFL game ever played, 13-10.

And no matter how many times the Pats change their names or the uniforms or the city or the stadium, and no matter how many Super Bowls they win, nothing will ever erase that scar.

Off topic, but lets not forget the first AFL victory over the NFL (1967 pre-season) Denver over Detroit at DU. Alex Karras says before the game he will walk home if Detroit loses (no, he didn't).

Paladin

10-12-2005, 08:58 PM

I think we'd have a good shot at beating these guys if Kubiak would just quit calling plays that require the offense to execute.

Hilarious!

Tredici

10-12-2005, 09:08 PM

The Broncos will expose the Pats?

This thread is worthless without pictures....

Atlas

10-13-2005, 02:20 AM

The Broncos will expose the Pats?

This thread is worthless without pictures....
http://www.keywestirish.com/photos/expose.yourself.2.jpg

watermock

10-13-2005, 02:43 AM

http://www.keywestirish.com/photos/expose.yourself.2.jpg

Looks like the French Quarter is alive and well.

Tredici

10-13-2005, 05:28 AM

I kind of like the extra effort of the guy up on his toe....

Hahahahahahhahaha

sonsofkraftybob

10-13-2005, 08:52 AM

Okay, Mr. "Undisputed King" . . . I'll lob you a softball just to test your skee-yallz:

While it may be true the Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls to the Broncos 2 . . . it is ALSO TRUE that the Broncos have appeared in SIX SUPER BOWLS - that's SIX AFC Titles, while New England has managed just five AFC Titles!

That's a real softball . . . okay, "Undisputed King" - show use what'cha got!

Denver lost 4 Superbowls. Buffalo lost 4 Superbowls in a row. Minny lost 4 Superbowls.

So the way i see it.....if you lose another Superbowl....then your team are "The Undisputed Kings of Superbowl Losers"

BTW, you say AFC Champs........I say Superbowls Losers. Tomato; To-ma-to

The Pats have a long way to go to rival that mark.

(how was that?)

Odysseus

10-13-2005, 09:02 AM

Cecil Sapp is going to have a big game this week.

He will be sitting on the bench next to David Terrell, Darius "The Claw Watts", and Devoe or 20th second coming of the third reciever. Unfortunately Lelie will be in the game either sucking it up or...no. He'll be sucking still.

This is a game where Lelie needs to shine. All the well wishes are beautiful but until the Broncos beat you with what they have then they have nothing which includes the talent on the bench.

Atlas

10-13-2005, 12:51 PM

He will be sitting on the bench next to David Terrell, Darius "The Claw Watts", and Devoe or 20th second coming of the third reciever. Unfortunately Lelie will be in the game either sucking it up or...no. He'll be sucking still.

This is a game where Lelie needs to shine. All the well wishes are beautiful but until the Broncos beat you with what they have then they have nothing which includes the talent on the bench.

There two sides to that story. Jake needs to get him the ball.

Rohirrim

10-13-2005, 12:55 PM

Here's my message to the Patsies and their pansy-ass, clam-breath, bean-sucking fans: (to paraphrase Ali) If you even dream of beating us, you better wake up and apologize.

Odysseus

10-13-2005, 01:07 PM

There two sides to that story. Jake needs to get him the ball.

There is a third side to the story...Coach needs to call that play....

fourth side to the story....Refs need to choke on their whistles...

Fifth side to the story....ARRRRGGHH!!! JUST WIN!!!!!

DomCasual

10-13-2005, 01:09 PM

I kind of like the extra effort of the guy up on his toe....

Hahahahahahhahaha
It's completely disturbing that you would notice that little detail.

~Crash~

10-13-2005, 01:15 PM

I kind of like the extra effort of the guy up on his toe....

Hahahahahahhahaha

LOL YOU KNOW IT DEB

Rohirrim

10-14-2005, 09:10 AM

Damn, can't even keep a Patsy smack thread on the front page. They're just too nice. It's like going up against Dudley Do-Right. That should be their new team name: The Dudleys. rofl

Either that, or The Barneys.

Awwww, who cares. You bunch of bean eating clam suckers. We're going to paste you. Nnyah!

Hotrod

10-14-2005, 09:12 AM

LOL its a far cry around here from chokeland week thats for sure Ha!

Daddy T

10-14-2005, 11:11 AM

They will expose the Donkeys. They will stop the run and force Jake to throw and we all know how bad he is at that. Pats will win this one.

Play2win

10-14-2005, 11:37 AM

LOL its a far cry around here from chokeland week thats for sure Ha!
F that, some of their fans (Pats) are worse than Faider fans...

TheDave

10-14-2005, 11:40 AM

Hotrod

10-14-2005, 11:50 AM

Guys if we don't win this game we should hide our face in shame. We are playing the former champs that have been decimated by injuries and are finishing up a long tough road stretch heading into their Bye-week. If we don't beat them by at least 10 i will begin to wonder what our problem is...

If we win by 10 or more (aint gonna happen) Im booking my plane tickets for Indy for the AFC championship game errr wait. ;D

Play2win

10-14-2005, 11:51 AM

Play2win

10-14-2005, 11:52 AM

I was thinking more of a 14 pt Margin (@least)...

DomCasual

10-14-2005, 11:55 AM

Just so the Officials don't pull any BS... :cuss:
Like what?

DarkHorse30

10-14-2005, 11:58 AM

ATL was missing a ton of defensive starters too. The ONLY reason DEN is ranked so high by MANY EXPERTS POWER RANKINGS is they expect NE to come into DEN and win this weekend. Then they can proclaim the triumphant return of the King Pats easier next week. I seriously wonder what kind of self serving crap they will spew if DEN actually wins? Something along the lines of the PATS are back anyway playing a tough DEN team well on the road or something like that.

This is right on the money. It was interesting to see Fox ranking Denver DOWN to 15 from 10 after they beat Washington. The reason? Apparently Bell's 2 TD runs didn't count......another reason is that Denver won while not playing well. Apparently playing a runstopping team at home in a driving rain isn't supposed to affect your offense.

The other reason Denver dropped in Fox' ratings is that their '05 numbers are not as high as '04s. Gee, Aaron....(Shatz, writer of Fox rankings and author of football prospectus and manager of footballoutsiders.com) maybe your DVOA, Bill James knockoff, fantasy football numbers could recognize that Denver has played FOUR of the best defenses in football and while winning three of four, their fantasy numbers would presumably DROP against tough defenses....duh.

That said, Shatz still picks Denver to win the division AND to beat NE this week....but that #15 ranking is likely based on fantasy numbers. Maybe he doesn't recognize that Denverfans would take an average performance with low stats from Plummer over a 3TD/2pick performance from Brett Favre....fantasy football be damned.

DarkHorse30

10-14-2005, 12:00 PM

Guys if we don't win this game we should hide our face in shame. We are playing the former champs that have been decimated by injuries and are finishing up a long tough road stretch heading into their Bye-week. If we don't beat them by at least 10 i will begin to wonder what our problem is...

Denver is playing the best QB in football, with the best WRs in football....with 3 rookie corners. Looks like about even odds to me.

Play2win

10-14-2005, 12:01 PM

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http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/1733/domcasual8tc.jpg ;D

TheDave

10-14-2005, 12:03 PM

If we win by 10 or more (aint gonna happen) Im booking my plane tickets for Indy for the AFC championship game errr wait. ;D

I'm not trying to be some idiot homer (i have my times, but this isn't one of them) the majority of their defense is comprised of 2nd teamers. I don't care how brilliant their scheme is at some point talent wins out. Their offensive line is missing 2 starters including their LT... Anyone remember what happened last time Pryce played against a 2nd string LT...KC???

This is a severly beaten up team, coming to the end of a long stretch of tough road games...we better take advantage of it. Honestely, i would of been less upset with a loss to Washingto than i will be if we don't pound these guys...JMO

DomCasual

10-14-2005, 12:04 PM

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/1733/domcasual8tc.jpg ;D
I prefer 30 point, but I'll take what I can get.

TheDave

10-14-2005, 12:05 PM

Denver is playing the best QB in football, with the best WRs in football....with 3 rookie corners. Looks like about even odds to me.

when did their recievers become the best in football?

Play2win

10-14-2005, 12:06 PM

Denver is playing the best QB in football, with the best WRs in football....with 3 rookie corners. Looks like about even odds to me.
I'll give you the QB, but how do you figure the WR's. Actually, IMHO, its their TE's we have to watch out for. Both of them are Big, Strong and fast...

It won't matter, though, if we can get to Brady about the time he gets the ball...

BMF Bronco

10-14-2005, 12:07 PM

I'm not trying to be some idiot homer (i have my times, but this isn't one of them) the majority of their defense is comprised of 2nd teamers. I don't care how brilliant their scheme is at some point talent wins out. Their offensive line is missing 2 starters including their LT... Anyone remember what happened last time Pryce played against a 2nd string LT...KC???

This is a severly beaten up team, coming to the end of a long stretch of tough road games...we better take advantage of it. Honestely, i would of been less upset with a loss to Washingto than i will be if we don't pound these guys...JMO
idiot homer!

;D just kidding

Play2win

10-14-2005, 12:07 PM

when did their recievers become the best in football?
No joke...

DomCasual

10-14-2005, 12:07 PM

when did their recievers become the best in football?
Yeah. I'd say you'd have to stretch to even call that a stretch. They might be in the top ten.

Play2win

10-14-2005, 12:09 PM

I prefer 30 point, but I'll take what I can get.
Its definitely a Font I have in my regular arsenal... ;D

TheDave

10-14-2005, 12:11 PM

Yeah. I'd say you'd have to stretch to even call that a stretch. They might be in the top ten.

seriously, not sure where that came from... Look I'm not saying they weren't a good team and a deserving champion. But you can't ignore the current physical and mental state of their team. IMO this is much less about our strengths and much more about their obvious weaknesses (injuries)

Hotrod

10-14-2005, 12:14 PM

Look the Pats are not all Pro at the WR position thats for sure but they have enough guns at the position that if Marsha gets time in the pocket they will destroy a young secondary.

DomCasual

10-14-2005, 12:14 PM

Look the Pats are not all Pro at the WR position thats for sure but they have enough guns at the position that if Marsha gets time in the pocket they will destroy a young secondary.
Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

TheDave

10-14-2005, 12:22 PM

Look the Pats are not all Pro at the WR position thats for sure but they have enough guns at the position that if Marsha gets time in the pocket they will destroy a young secondary.

and if they had a healthy O-Line i would be worried, but...;)

Hotrod

10-14-2005, 12:24 PM

and if they had a healthy O-Line i would be worried, but...;)

^5 Your killing all the mojo/karma work Shack has done all week Ha!

TheDave

10-14-2005, 12:31 PM

^5 Your killing all the mojo/karma work Shack has done all week Ha!

:devil:

Odysseus

10-14-2005, 12:41 PM

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13285

This is an X's and O's question that might give you worrying nellies something else to do with your time.

yavoon

10-14-2005, 12:44 PM

This is right on the money. It was interesting to see Fox ranking Denver DOWN to 15 from 10 after they beat Washington. The reason? Apparently Bell's 2 TD runs didn't count......another reason is that Denver won while not playing well. Apparently playing a runstopping team at home in a driving rain isn't supposed to affect your offense.

The other reason Denver dropped in Fox' ratings is that their '05 numbers are not as high as '04s. Gee, Aaron....(Shatz, writer of Fox rankings and author of football prospectus and manager of footballoutsiders.com) maybe your DVOA, Bill James knockoff, fantasy football numbers could recognize that Denver has played FOUR of the best defenses in football and while winning three of four, their fantasy numbers would presumably DROP against tough defenses....duh.

That said, Shatz still picks Denver to win the division AND to beat NE this week....but that #15 ranking is likely based on fantasy numbers. Maybe he doesn't recognize that Denverfans would take an average performance with low stats from Plummer over a 3TD/2pick performance from Brett Favre....fantasy football be damned.

footballoutsiders.com calibrates for strength of opponent. thanks for playing.

also outsiders works NOTHING like fantasy football.

bpc

10-14-2005, 01:19 PM

I think this year resembles me so much of 1996. I just see us finding ways to win... last weeks win can be comparable to our win against the Vikings that year with the tip drill in the endzone... we didn't have any reason winning that game but we just found a way to do it.

I feel exactly that way about this team. I think Denver is going to find a way to beat the Patriots this weekend... that much is a given. However, back in the late 90's both of these teams used to be the class of their divisions and AFC powers... and every time we played NE, we took them to the woodshed. I think this game, we return to that dominance with Shanahan calling a game which resembles our old school approach. I think with the Pats reeling from injuries, we really womp this team. I will be surprised if we don't. This isn't a lack of respect to the Patriots... they have a great team, great coach, have done many great things... however with us coming back up and their injuries... I just see them running into a buzz saw this weekend a la against SD a few weeks back. I don't think we'll score as many points as SD did but I see us just totally controlling this game.

bpc

10-14-2005, 01:32 PM

I want to see us going out there with the approach... "we know we're going to run the ball... you know we are going to run the ball... and you are going to sit idly by as we do it."

Think Super Bowl 32... everybody knows whats going on and yet, they still can't stop it... this is such a huge game... statement game. We need to make our presence known in the AFC again.

Ballhawk

10-14-2005, 01:36 PM

This game is much more than a statement game, but will have major implications on the playoff picture. This game could determine wether we get a week off or have to play a Wilcard team week one of the playoffs (if we win division that is).

DarkHorse30

10-14-2005, 07:00 PM

when did their recievers become the best in football?

they play fast and they hit their spots fast. NE's offense is death by a thousand cuts...a dink here, a dunk there. Yeah, I think their overall WR is the best...and it's 4-5 deep. How else can you take a troy brown, and turn him into a CB? He'd be #2-3 in Denver.

sirhcyennek81

10-14-2005, 08:33 PM

This may sound odd...but in this game...we would probably be better off if we stop brady, and make dillon beat us on the ground. Those 3 yard slants and smoke screens need to get just 3, and get the wr on the ground. Our offense needs to do what it does, we need to run the ball, control tempo, ToP, and just be patient. Hitting a deep ball once or twice would be nice, too. Broncos win this game, 26-21.