What "camp" are you in?

[Rock Chalk]

OK. Like the national politics, this board has become quite fractured on what to think of certain aspects of this team.

Let's break it all down and find out who is who so when the bandwagon jumping begins (for whatever bandwagon needs jumping out of or into), we will know. Just for ****s and giggles.

[DarkHorse30]

I request an addition to your poll:

"4-1 is great.....who is John Galt?"

[El Guapo]

well, at least it seems we all agree on that last option. rofl

as far as what i voted; I am in-between on plummer. He hasnt gained my full trust and I think he could do a better job. Overall I am a little more pro-lelie than jake, but i think he could do more to get the job done. I dont think he's trying as hard as jake.

what a jumble, ill stop there.

[Rock Chalk]

I figured there would be "tweeners" but decided they can choose a camp or not vote specifically for or against. Their option.

[listopencil]

Pro Plummer and Pro Lelie. They aren't mutually exclusive. Have been Pro Coyer for quite some time, he's my Adopt-A-Bronco. I'm also thinking right around 11-5 if the D holds up.

[El Guapo]

I figured there would be "tweeners" but decided they can choose a camp or not vote specifically for or against. Their option.


well, to clarify i voted;

pro-lelie
anti-jake
coyer-undecided
11-5 (or better)

[Broncoman13]

I figured there would be "tweeners" but decided they can choose a camp or not vote specifically for or against. Their option.


I struggled with a couple but decided to play anyhow.

I think Jake's success or lack there of is more b/c of Shanny and Kubes than Jake.

I also think that Jake can get the ball to Ash. He did it last year...what changed?

I'm really on the fence with Coyer. I voted possitive for Coyer b/c of the three games that were won by the defense. I'll quickly get frustrated with him again if we see the "skins scheme" anytime soon. I have a bad feeling that we'll see it vs the Pats b/c of the way Brady spreads the ball around! I'm sorry I just do not like seeing a guy like Pryce, Ekuban or Brown trying to cover ANYBODY down field. Those guys can get to the QB... LET THEM!

I voted 11-5 or better. The schedule is rough and is certainly against us. The defense gives me faith. Still on the fence...if you told me that Coyer would go into EVERY game with the Chefs game plan I'd feel a lot more comfortable with this selection!

[ZachKC]

I am in Camp Annawanna.

[Rock Chalk]

Well, Im pro-Plummer, but not because I think he is a world beater. Only that he is a leader and really, Trent and Brad proved to me that a good defense, a run game and a guy that doesnt turn it over is all you need. Seems to me like we got that last part taken care of and the other two parts seem to be clicking. Jake will start clicking, Ive seen him do it before so I know he can again.

Im anti-Lelie mostly because I am pro-Ed Reed. Lelie is OK, but he reminds me much of Kennison whom I despise.

Im pro-Coyer. He does more with less than anyone save Romeo Crennell. I am anti some of those stupid blitz schemes, but overall I like Coyer.

I see 14-2 really. Only other loss I expect is the one in KC because its December and we suck there. I think we can take everyone else, period. I think the offense is going to start kicking in and the defense is going to continue to excel.

That, my friends, is a championship formula.

[Northman]

Im in my own camp, sometimes im critical and sometimes im not. but ill never trade in my dedication to the Broncos regardless of how crazy they drive me.

[DarkHorse]

11-5 or better but i'll bitch about stuff the whole way there :D

[Ray Finkle]

Pro-Plummer....

[DivineLegion]

I dont mind Jake hes getting it done while we search for a Good QB. Hes mediocre and misses alot of throws but if he dosent make mistakes I like him and im loving him lately. Its a very violent love but its love. I love Coyer and what he does the bend dont break philosophy is the **** pure brilliance. I think Lelie has great potential and with a more accurate QB will be as star...Just a few more years Ash hang in there.

[Drek]

Where's "Kubiak is a hack and is wasting our talent." for an option? I take that one.

[Garcia Bronco]

The only thing I'm not is anti-plummer...I believe Plummer can't get Lelie the ball...and I believe Leleie can't catch it when he does....Coyer does have the defense kicking ass....but he adjust poorly...I believe we could 11 games...but it's more like 10

[Mile High Shack]

The only thing I'm not is anti-plummer...I believe Plummer can't get Lelie the ball...and I believe Leleie can't catch it when he does....Coyer does have the defense kicking ass....but he adjust poorly...I believe we could 11 games...but it's more like 10

that's exactly where I'm at

I expect a 10-6 record...I first said 8-8, but I thought we'd be 2-3 at this point, so 2 more wins that I first anticipated

and yes Coyer has the D kicking ass, but a smart offensive mind will school him

I fear the Patriots this weekend

[Orange_Beard]

Plummer is a dog.

[RhymesayersDU]

Pro-Plummer
Pro-Lelie
Pro-Coyer
11-5 Or Better

It's called drinking the Kool-Aid, and I've got it goin' down by the gallons.

[BroncoFanDoug]

Pro-Plummer
Neutral -Lelie
Pro-Coyer
11-5 Or Better

I still have huge hopes for Lelie, but right now it is not there. Plummer is Plummer, except he is safer this year. He aint John but then who is. Coyer seems to be opening it up a bit, but I thought he could have made better adjustments against the skins 2-out, everyone else block scheme.

11-5 or better, you bet! We have gone 4 - 1 against a very tough schedule with significant injury problems targeting our corners. We have a real D this year, and that lets us steal games like this week.

[SoCalBronco]

Pro-Plummer
Very Pro-Lelie
Mostly Pro-Coyer, although there are a few things that I extremely hate and will continue to hate. For the most part I like the man though, he is a fine DC and a solid individual.
Right at 10-6.

[Bronco LB 59]

Pro-Plummer
Pro-Lelie
Pro-Coyer

I voted pessimistic about the record based on the fact Denver started off 6-2 in 2002 (best record in the AFC), 4-0 in 2003 and 5-1 in 2004. They play 3 home games in the entire second half. I think the NE, at NYG, PHI stretch will tell us more about the type of team Denver has.

[RunByDesign]

Ever the Optimist.

[baja]

Poorly constructed poll - no vote

[DivineLegion]

Poorly constructed poll - no vote

Were you looking for the Q is the freaking man and should be brought back option too...???. I know I was!

[rbackfactory80]

Prediction: Jake Plummer 250 and 2 td's

What will next weeks poll be?

[Needa Pass Rush]

I voted Pro on all the people and avoided voting on the record because too many things can happen over the season and I just don't want to go there. I am pleased with the lack of injuries to date (knocking on hard wood!).

Let's see what Denver rolls out for the champs this weekend.

[DivineLegion]

Prediction: Jake Plummer 250 and 2 td's

What will next weeks poll be?

A. Why did we melt down vs the Pats...(SOB)

or

B. What should we name this seasons Defense...

??? Thats the way it usualy goes

[baja]

Were you looking for the Q is the freaking man and should be brought back option too...???. I know I was!

Did you read Q is trying out for NE?

[Rascal]

There needs to be anti-Carlisle and anti-Ian option.

Oskie mentioned this in another thread and I agree completely, but I don't think Lelie is the type of WR we need here. I would love to get Boldin from the Cards and offering Lelie and a second should get him.

[DivineLegion]

Did you read Q is trying out for NE?

The Pats know where its at man. Q dident make it cause of the depth we have here but with the way the Pats play I think Q is a perfect fit. All heart...Go mighty mouse heres to some new diggs if he makes it :super:

[RhymesayersDU]

Q's trying out for NE?

Awesome, I had been hoping he'd go far, far away and that's about as far as it gets.

[enjolras]

F*ing politics..

[Rock Chalk]

baja, no one asked you to vote. Only people with enough balls to stay in America can vote. Your not a citizen piss off.

enjorlas, its specifically NOT about politics. Just a general idea of where we all stand. One place, get all the opinions together. No arguing about it, just stating where we stand.

So later, I can tear you ****ers to shreads when you disagree with me Ha!

[ludo21]

Pro - Plummer - Ive likeds the guy since ASU. Great leadership and CAN get the job done.
Pro - Lelie - LAst year was a good year. He has been open, but jakes passes fell short or were Out of bounds.
Pro - Coyer - The D is playing good, 'nuff said.
11 - 5 or better - 4-1 is a good start and getting the Ravens and pats at home is a good thing.

[Rascal]

I voted for them all....I'm an equal opportunity hater.

[Popps]

Anti-Lelie is kind of strong. (Though I selected it anyway. :)

I do hope the kid proves me wrong. I just never thought he was the right fit for us.

[Taco John]

This is easily the stupidest thread idea in the history of the Mane.

[Taco John]

I'm pro-winning a playoff game.

[listopencil]

This is easily the stupidest thread idea in the history of the Mane.


I don't know, we've had quite a few. Maybe that should be a poll.

[SoCalBronco]

This is easily the stupidest thread idea in the history of the Mane.

I dunno. I'd have to disagree with ya on that one, boss.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=686&dateline=1126407409

[listopencil]

This one is pretty lame:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=19925

[Taco John]

I dunno. I'd have to disagree with ya on that one, boss.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=686&dateline=1126407409



I was just pulling an Alec and bringing some negativity to the thread before I actually read anything... ;)

You're right, Waffle easily starts the stupidest threads.

[listopencil]

Then again, just do this:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/search.php?searchid=106234

[Taco John]

I'm not anti-Plummer, but I'm not pro-Plummer either. He lost my trust, and he'll have a shot at winning it back if he is winning at the end of the year. That said, I think we need more out of him that we're getting now regardless of our record if we expect to beat the best teams in this league. If we get nothing out of Plummer for a whole half against teams like New England, Indianapolis, and Philly I have little hope we'll get that playoff win. If Plummer can actually produce and limit turnovers, I think our potential is unlimited. I don't think we can get through Decmeber and January with an unbalanced offense.

[Popps]

Then again, just do this:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/search.php?searchid=106234

haha!

Hey, at least every thread he creates gives me one more chance to get in a "we should trade a first rounder for Dennis Northcutt" joke.

[listopencil]

haha!

Hey, at least every thread he creates gives me one more chance to get in a "we should trade a first rounder for Dennis Northcutt" joke.


norThcut roolz!!!one11!! he iz wurth a brazillion do11ars. we shuld trade evr e 1 on our roster 4 him. u no im right.

[RhymesayersDU]

norThcut roolz!!!one11!! he iz wurth a brazillion do11ars. we shuld trade evr e 1 on our roster 4 him. u no im right.

rofl rofl rofl

Rep!

[Bronco LB 59]

I'm pro-winning a playoff game.

In order to achieve that goal, Denver needs to win the AFC West. It's been 7 long years. I even want to go further and say the Broncos need to treat every regular season game like a postseason one. With the Colts on a roll, home field advantage or a 1st round bye is at stake with every game.

[Atlas]

saying Denver going 10-6 is a pessamistic opinion is quite a shift from the preseason when 8-8 was the pessamistic opinion. Denver moved up the bar.

[Kaylore]

I'm pro Plummer and pro Lelie. I'm also sticking with my 10-6 prediction. I don't think that makes me a pessimist, though.

[Atlas]

I'm pro Plummer and pro Lelie. I'm also sticking with my 10-6 prediction. I don't think that makes me a pessimist, though.

When you just reinforced your 10-6 record you said Denver would lose to the Wads. Denver won so which one of the wins are you going to turn to a loss?

I say 11-5

[24champ]

In order to achieve that goal, Denver needs to win the AFC West. It's been 7 long years. I even want to go further and say the Broncos need to treat every regular season game like a postseason one. With the Colts on a roll, home field advantage or a 1st round bye is at stake with every game.
we need to be healthy too, i dont want to face the colts again with 3/4ths of the secondary on the sidelines in streetclothes.

[24champ]

I'm pro Plummer and pro Lelie. I'm also sticking with my 10-6 prediction. I don't think that makes me a pessimist, though.
i remember you saying that you think this team could go 12-4 if they win in Jacksonville.

[yavoon]

This one is pretty lame:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=19925

do u think about me when u goto sleep at night? this kind of obsession is unhealthy. especially for someone with as few independant thoughts as u have.

[Kaylore]

i remember you saying that you think this team could go 12-4 if they win in Jacksonville.
You're right, and I stand by that. I didn't think this team was capable of 12-4 prior to that point. I think they have a very good shot at it, but honestly I think the difference between 10-6 and 12-4 will be decided in these next three games. They are all games we could lose. If we beat all three teams, we deserve to be ranked number 2.

[24champ]

You're right, and I stand by that. I didn't think this team was capable of 12-4 prior to that point. I think they have a very good shot at it, but honestly I think the difference between 10-6 and 12-4 will be decided in these next three games. They are all games we could lose. If we beat all three teams, we deserve to be ranked number 2.

I agree but im more worried about the last 4 games of the season to where we can build some momentum into hopefully the playoffs we cant afford to be inconsistant at the end of the year....

[ak1971]

You're right, and I stand by that. I didn't think this team was capable of 12-4 prior to that point. I think they have a very good shot at it, but honestly I think the difference between 10-6 and 12-4 will be decided in these next three games. They are all games we could lose. If we beat all three teams, we deserve to be ranked number 2.


I love you dude...

[Kaylore]

I love you dude...
Ha! Looks like I've dug myself into a hole from which there is no return. :twitch:

[SoCalBronco]

Khan rocks. I love that PatsWin photoshop of the "Fear This" Broncos logo with Khan in the background. That was hilarious.

[fontaine]

I don't think it matters whether we're pro or con anything.

This question should be answered by the only people that count and that's the coaching staff in Denver. The answer to which we won't get until the offseason depending on what moves they make to address the QB situation.

Mike already said at the start of the season that this is Plummer's third year and that will be a true indication of what kind of QB he can be here.

While I obviously can't be sure, it seems the coaches are happy to limit what Plummer does in this offense by cutting down on his throws, asking him to checkdown to his RBs rather than heaving it up to Lelie. The question is, are they doing it by choice (letting the running game and D take over) or are they doing it because they are forced to (more passes = more mistakes by Plummer)

I suspect it's a combination of both.

One thing is for sure. There WILL be times this season (and playoffs) when Jake is asked to do more and that's what he'll be judged by. It's pretty difficult to assess a QB that's only throwing the ball 20 times a game and most of those are short passes with a lot of checkdowns to his RBs.

It's like I've said before. You don't judge a QB when the defense/running game is doing great. You judge QBs when they face a hostile defense, away from home when you have to pass to make first downs, long drives and succeed in difficult situations.

[Liebs]

11-5 mfers!

[meangene]

Pro Plummer. But, he needs a big game Sun. v. beat up Pats D.
ANTI Lelie. He's officially a bust IMO.
Slightly anti Coyer until he finds a way to attack the max protect.
I'm thinking 12-4 but 13-3 may keep us at home except for AFC championship game and is not unrealistic.

[watermock]

If we win sunday...the bandwagon is going to have so many fat men trying to board I urge everone to kick them to the curb. They have no place here...PastaBelly himself could tip the wagon over...

[epa86b@netzero]

Pro Plummer with doubts; kinda like the negative friend with benefits.
Pro-Lelie; Jake and him need to get on the same page like last year.
Pro-Coyer as long as he continues to make adjustments during the game since he now has talent on the defense.
11-5 or Better, if the passing game starts to improve like the running game as steadily improved over the last 3 weeks.

[OrangeShadow]

im in camp optimism

[Alkazar]

Took the only option I could, 11-5 or better. I'm neither for nor against any single player or coach as long as they produce, and I feel we will have at least 11 wins this season, but even that remains to be seen.

[Mediator12]

Wow. Just Wow! Nothing like a sterotyping bias thread!

I am none of the above.

1. I hope Jake Plummer wakes up and makes me eat a bunch of Crow and everyone can heap burning coals at me. I still think he is more talented than he is performing at right now.

2. Still think Lelie has HUGE mental lapses and could be a big time player if he caught half the balls he drops routinely. His blocking HAS improved but his lack of consistency SUCKS!

3. The record is week to week and I have NO idea if this team is for real or another pretender. They have consistently started well then fade fast. If I had the ability to pick their record I would live in Vegas not be here alot.

[BMF Bronco]

Pro-Plummer (yes, I criticized him this week but still pro!)
Lelie - need we ask?! _i_O_i_
neutral Coyer, hated him at the beginning of the season, well the Miami game anyway, then loved him, now neutral.
I would say 11-5 is going to win the AFC West and we will get our turn to play in the playoffs at Mile HInvesco.

[Taco John]

It's like I've said before. You don't judge a QB when the defense/running game is doing great. You judge QBs when they face a hostile defense, away from home when you have to pass to make first downs, long drives and succeed in difficult situations.


Quoted for truth.

[Rock Chalk]

Wow. Just Wow! Nothing like a sterotyping bias thread!

I am none of the above.

1. I hope Jake Plummer wakes up and makes me eat a bunch of Crow and everyone can heap burning coals at me. I still think he is more talented than he is performing at right now.

2. Still think Lelie has HUGE mental lapses and could be a big time player if he caught half the balls he drops routinely. His blocking HAS improved but his lack of consistency SUCKS!

3. The record is week to week and I have NO idea if this team is for real or another pretender. They have consistently started well then fade fast. If I had the ability to pick their record I would live in Vegas not be here alot.
You dont need to vote, everyone knows where you stand dip****.

[Odysseus]

Poorly constructed poll - no vote

Agreed. I'll bite though.

Pro Plummer AND Anti Plummer

1. Plummer is the man for leadership, spark, heart, and all the intangibles that are hard to find in a guy whose running an offense. He has done EVERYTHING that we have asked of him and still keeps delivering. I wear Jake's shirt and really hate anyone bagging on Jake on Sunday's.

2. Plummer has accuracy problems, doesn't spread the ball enough, throws behind his guys and without a question creates some of the most head scratching plays I've ever seen. It would be forgiven if on the other side he does miracles but he doesn't.

I want to see someone come in a beat Plummer out of his job. No more summary executions. Personally I think Jake will beat out most anyone coming at him because he knows the offense, has the confidence of the players and brings a lot of intangibles to the table. I have not heard a player mentioned on this board that is actively playing today who could beat Jake Plummer out of his job. That said I would not mind him proving it.

My thought process is simple. I would love to have a guy BACKING UP Jake whose good enough to step up. I don't have any confidence in BVP. I think our offense is smoked if Jake is not in there. I don't like having any doubt under center or in the backfield.

Pro Lelie
Pro Coyer
10-6 and better

[Mediator12]

You dont need to vote, everyone knows where you stand dip****.

Still trying to tell everyone where I stand alec??? As I said, Typical. I hate to tell you this ALEC, you are still wrong with where I stand and are not man enough to admit it. You just keep manufacturing curses and telling everyone to believe you. Then you resort to namecalling to boost your rep. Hell, I guess it is not too hard to deceive the masses on a message board if you tell enough lies.

[Odysseus]

This is a great poll. I am very pleased at the suport Plummer is getting. The fact that Bob doesn't like Jake makes him a mortal lock against the Patriots. PM me with whatever bets you want to make!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Go Jake!!!

[Mediator12]

This is a great poll. I am very pleased at the suport Plummer is getting. The fact that Bob doesn't like Jake makes him a mortal lock against the Patriots. PM me with whatever bets you want to make!

My personal favorites are the Chiefs fans who voted anti-Coyer after he gave their _ffense a can of whoop ass in Mile High!

[epicSocialism4tw]

My personal favorites are the Chiefs fans who voted anti-Coyer after he gave their _ffense a can of whoop ass in Mile High!

The cheffies voeted anti-everything. Should have been expected.

[Odysseus]

My personal favorites are the Chiefs fans who voted anti-Coyer after he gave their _ffense a can of whoop ass in Mile High!


Why are they always surprised by that game? Don't they have calenders? :giggle:

[listopencil]

do u think about me when u goto sleep at night? this kind of obsession is unhealthy. especially for someone with as few independant thoughts as u have.


do u no y evr e time th concept uv a weak thred or a weak post cums up u spreeng 2 mind? b cuz u r weak. Go away, attention whore.

[Bronco LB 59]

I can understand why a Bronco fan is not satisfied with Plummer or Lelie, but I have no respect for anybody that doesn't approve of Coyer's performance.

He's the best defensive coordinator since Wade Phillips and Joe Collier.

[Rock Chalk]

Still trying to tell everyone where I stand alec??? As I said, Typical. I hate to tell you this ALEC, you are still wrong with where I stand and are not man enough to admit it. You just keep manufacturing curses and telling everyone to believe you. Then you resort to namecalling to boost your rep. Hell, I guess it is not too hard to deceive the masses on a message board if you tell enough lies.
OK bud. If you want to stay in denial Im not going to try to help anymore. Whatever you say man, whatever you say.

You are right, everyone else who disagrees with you is wrong. Forgive me oh mighty one, how could I have been so stupid. Uhh

[baja]

baja, no one asked you to vote. Only people with enough balls to stay in America can vote. Your not a citizen piss off.

enjorlas, its specifically NOT about politics. Just a general idea of where we all stand. One place, get all the opinions together. No arguing about it, just stating where we stand.

So later, I can tear you ****ers to shreads when you disagree with me Ha!

So now it takes balls to stay in America. You think you have a tough life shiit head, come on down I'll take your ignorant ass on a road trip. I guarantee you will kiss that dusty ass Texas dirt the minute you get home. Dude you wouldn't know balls if you had a pair hanging across the bridge of your nose.

And your poll sucks...........

[Kaylore]

When you just reinforced your 10-6 record you said Denver would lose to the Wads. Denver won so which one of the wins are you going to turn to a loss?

I say 11-5
The Patriots. We beat them, and I'm going 12-4. I promise.

[elsid13]

The Patriots. We beat them, and I'm going 12-4. I promise.


Do I hear 15-1??? ;D

[Play2win]

Do I hear 15-1??? ;D
How about 18-1? ;D

[baja]

Little did Miami know that when they beat us the first game of the season they saved their untainted undefeated season.

[Sassy]

Little did Miami know that when they beat us the first game of the season they saved their untainted undefeated season.
Sweet thought! ;)

[Willynowei]

I'm suprised at the amount of people in the Pro-Coyer camp.

God, i could coach that Defense and with the talent on it, it shouldnt be anything but a top 3 defense. For goodness sakes you could seriously argue that over half the players could get into the probowl on it. If Coyer were to do just slightly better at coaching we would've held the Skins to a lot less than 330 yard passing....

[listopencil]

I'm suprised at the amount of people in the Pro-Coyer camp.

God, i could coach that Defense and with the talent on it, it shouldnt be anything but a top 3 defense. For goodness sakes you could seriously argue that over half the players could get into the probowl on it. If Coyer were to do just slightly better at coaching we would've held the Skins to a lot less than 330 yard passing....


Then you'd have to explain how we put up some pretty decent stats recently before we had all of this talent on D.

[NFLBRONCO]

I put Anti on Plummer Coyer and Lelie.

The reason I put anti on all three is because I think we need upgrades.

I wanted to put pro Lelie but, couldn't because he can only do one thing route wise. Not an all around WR.

Plummer- I think he is iffy and while his mistakes are alot less he can't hit Lelie deep and has accuracy problems. I do not think he can get us to SB.

Coyer- Do not hate him but, I'm not sure he can take us to next level on D esp during playoffs.


If we keep Plummer for 5 more years which I'm expecting get as many weapons on O as possible. We could use an upgrade at TE WR LT.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow...the board generally agrees that Plummer isnt the problem and that this team is going to do better than expected at 11-5 or above.

I didnt expect that. I guess it will change again when Jake starts throwing picks...

Go Jake!