Should we trade Walls now?

[broncosteven]

Any chance we can trade Walls for some kind of conditional pick this April? He is an FA at end of the year. I would rather see us get something for him rather than just not sign him. We have one more week before trade deadline. Even if Champ is out another 2-3 weeks I would prefer to see KP out there than Walls. Not sure the status of Roc is he on IR? Anyway just thought it would be nice to get something for him now rather than let him walk away next year.

[bendog]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/search.php?searchid=106033

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Yeah, there will be a sea of calls from other front offices about trading draft picks for a guy who has fallen to #4 on the depth chart.... ESPECIALLY since his contract is up at the end of the year... are you retarded?

[bendog]

That was harsh, but Walls has zero value .... but seriously as no4 corners go, it could be worse. Let's hope they can coach payma up fast. Alexader got torched, and he shoudl be embarrased to take a paycheck considering the hammy champ is playing with.

[Rascal]

Keep him with all the injuries at CB we have.

[Hotrod]

Keep him with all the injuries at CB we have.

I agree unless someone is willing to give as a ham sandwich or two for him....which I highly doubt.

[DarkHorse]

Would have traded him to the refs for a dry ball on Sunday.

[Pat Bowlen]

...are you retarded?
Have you read many of his posts?

Like I told him in a different thread:
For some reason, I don't think you know very much about football.

[broncosteven]

Yeah, there will be a sea of calls from other front offices about trading draft picks for a guy who has fallen to #4 on the depth chart.... ESPECIALLY since his contract is up at the end of the year... are you retarded?


Why does everyone around here Have a Stick up their ass this week? it is a freaking question I am looking for your Opionion but I guess you would prefer to call each other names so if that is the case you can wrap your lips around the base of my Love Pole.

My question obviously was not stated at below the 6th grade level like the newspapers have to do so here it is again:

Do you think we can or should trade Lenny Walls before the trading deadline in order to pick up a low round or conditional pick or just let him walk away at the end of the year.

[DarkHorse]

Why does everyone around here Have a Stick up their ass this week? it is a freaking question I am looking for your Opionion but I guess you would prefer to call each other names so if that is the case you can wrap your lips around the base of my Love Pole.

My question obviously was not stated at below the 6th grade level like the newspapers have to do so here it is again:

Do you think we can or should trade Lenny Walls before the trading deadline in order to pick up a low round or conditional pick or just let him walk away at the end of the year.


Tell you what - if Shanny can swing a deal for say, a used Yugo - i'd jump on it. As a matter of fact, my cousin's flag team lost a corner last weekend - if you can get me in touch with Walls' agent I may have a gig lined up for him until the dude is healthy and can return.

Seriously - well see above cause I am serious - let his Ray Charles blind ass walk at the end of the year. God knows with his lack of awareness we'll have to show him the door.

[bendog]

1. no offense, but at least 3 threads have been through this topic.

2. it's really true, the guy's sucked so bad, we'd be lucky to get a one legged Black Jack Tatum for him.

3. even so, he's got talent for a no4 and hopefully soon no5 corner.

[broncosteven]

Have you read many of his posts?

Like I told him in a different thread:


It is the round leather ball with red stitching that you hit with a stick right?

Why don't you pretend your fist's name is Kyla Cole & GoFYS

[broncosteven]

1. no offense, but at least 3 threads have been through this topic.

2. it's really true, the guy's sucked so bad, we'd be lucky to get a one legged Black Jack Tatum for him.

3. even so, he's got talent for a no4 and hopefully soon no5 corner.


Sorry! Here is to hoping a Moderator will delete this thread.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Yeah, there will be a sea of calls from other front offices about trading draft picks for a guy who has fallen to #4 on the depth chart.... ESPECIALLY since his contract is up at the end of the year... are you retarded?

Hey a team was dumb enough to trade engelberger for middlebrooks...nuff said.

[bendog]

no problem, man. Why should your thread be deleted anymore than the FOUR other threads others started. I'm sorry people jumped you case. Life is good, all is happy, the broncos are winning.

[broncosteven]

no problem, man. Why should your thread be deleted anymore than the FOUR other threads others started. I'm sorry people jumped you case. Life is good, all is happy, the broncos are winning.

So my bad for not searching 1st before posting the q. I only have time to jump in & out here during the day. If you look around here there a bunch of kiddies panicking that our O is not putting up monster #'s & yet we are 4-1. We all should be enjoying the ride not picking fights. If I saw the other posts I wouldn't have posted this. i don't see why a team with a need might not take him to help out this year just wanted other input & all I get is garbage. I will know to consider the source Posters in future.

[Rohirrim]

Tell you what - if Shanny can swing a deal for say, a used Yugo - i'd jump on it.

Make sure you get the hatchback with the heated rear window. Then, at least you can keep your hands warm when you're pushing it. ;D

[Pat Bowlen]

Why does everyone around here Have a Stick up their ass this week? it is a freaking question I am looking for your Opionion but I guess you would prefer to call each other names so if that is the case you can wrap your lips around the base of my Love Pole.
Usually when people ask stupid questions they end up looking stupid.

You might as well have asked whether or not Elway would ever possibly come out of retirement.

[Broncoman13]

I have a trade question... doesn't involve Walls though.

What would you say if we trade ASHLEY LELIE and a 2nd in next years draft for ANQUAN BOLDIN?

Personally I think a player like Boldin would be the best bet for a future Rod Smith replacement. I hate the thought of it as much as anybody else...but Rod can't play forever. Honestly, I think Boldin is another TO in the making...minus the headcase part though!

[broncosteven]

Usually when people ask stupid questions they end up looking stupid.

You might as well have asked whether or not Elway would ever possibly come out of retirement.

So what is your opionion? Do you have one? Are you just here to ride my ass? Posting here is worse than being married. Every little screw up is maginified & never forgotten. Go ahead & tell me I can't spell to while you are at it & that I didn't do the dishes... Sweet Jesus.

[westcliffe]

I have a trade question... doesn't involve Walls though.

What would you say if we trade ASHLEY LELIE and a 2nd in next years draft for ANQUAN BOLDIN?

Personally I think a player like Boldin would be the best bet for a future Rod Smith replacement. I hate the thought of it as much as anybody else...but Rod can't play forever. Honestly, I think Boldin is another TO in the making...minus the headcase part though!


I would jump all over that trade in the offseason, but somehow I don't think Arizona would go for it. If they would, I think it would be great.

[bendog]

I got to admit, I thought walls was better than Herndon, and while I haven't seen any seahags games, nor do I care too, I think I was wrong.

[DarkHorse]

I have a trade question... doesn't involve Walls though.

What would you say if we trade ASHLEY LELIE and a 2nd in next years draft for ANQUAN BOLDIN?

Personally I think a player like Boldin would be the best bet for a future Rod Smith replacement. I hate the thought of it as much as anybody else...but Rod can't play forever. Honestly, I think Boldin is another TO in the making...minus the headcase part though!


I'd take that.

Arizona needs a QB tho. In Madden 06 you can trade Plummer back to Arizona for a 1st and another pretty good player - they really like Jake in that state.

[broncosteven]

I have a trade question... doesn't involve Walls though.

What would you say if we trade ASHLEY LELIE and a 2nd in next years draft for ANQUAN BOLDIN?

Personally I think a player like Boldin would be the best bet for a future Rod Smith replacement. I hate the thought of it as much as anybody else...but Rod can't play forever. Honestly, I think Boldin is another TO in the making...minus the headcase part though!


I was hoping we could stock pile enough picks in order to move up in the 1st round & get a playmaker. The Washington pick is going to be high teens or 20's & not do us much good unless we package other picks/players to move up. I would love to have Boldin but I still like Ash as our #2 I would prefer to find a way to get/keep both guys on the team. But what do I know...

[bendog]

will you guys be jobbed if shanny just picks the best defensive guy with Wash's and the best offensive lineman with ours (or it could work the other way, flipping them)?

[broncosteven]

I got to admit, I thought walls was better than Herndon, and while I haven't seen any seahags games, nor do I care too, I think I was wrong.

I saw Herdon getting beat on highlight reels this year. I think they are about the same level. Not sorry Herdon is gone. I love DW & DF! Glad we finally hit a home run on 2 CB's in the same draft. I wasn't sure what others thought about pyma & if Roc is on IR.

[broncosteven]

will you guys be jobbed if shanny just picks the best defensive guy with Wash's and the best offensive lineman with ours (or it could work the other way, flipping them)?

I want an impact playmaker. I read about how Denver wanted this stud & that stud in years past but were not high enough to get them. We do need to upgrade Guard & I would like to see another young tackle emerge.

[Hotrod]

will you guys be jobbed if shanny just picks the best defensive guy with Wash's and the best offensive lineman with ours (or it could work the other way, flipping them)?

Id be happy with two lineman in the first :yep: I would prefer a couple of Olineman :yep:

[SleepingTiger]

I have a trade question... doesn't involve Walls though.

What would you say if we trade ASHLEY LELIE and a 2nd in next years draft for ANQUAN BOLDIN?

Personally I think a player like Boldin would be the best bet for a future Rod Smith replacement. I hate the thought of it as much as anybody else...but Rod can't play forever. Honestly, I think Boldin is another TO in the making...minus the headcase part though!


i dont think the Cardinals will go for that one. We can prolly trade Lelie and a second for Mike Williams though. I think we should save our 2 number 1's next year for the oline and try to acquire a WR via trade or FA. What i would like to see is we trading our 2 number 1's and the following years number1 for Leinart (sp).

[Pat Bowlen]

So what is your opionion? Do you have one?
If you've watched Walls play this season, know about his injuries last year and career before that and are aware that he's a free agent at the end of the year, then you should know how dumb it is to really even toss around the notion of the team trading him.

Yes, I have an opinion. There's no way in Hell we would get anything for Walls at this point.

[Pat Bowlen]

Oh, and I like the Boldin idea although I really doubt it would work. I'll give Willie a call after lunch.

[DarkHorse]

If we move either of those 1st round picks it had better be for a proven, young stud WR like a Boldin, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson etc... - FAT chance any of those teams would move those guys or anyone else established of that nature

Or...

Use the picks to move up and snag a franchise QB for Shanny - not Jake - to mentor.

Too bad I don't watch college football or else i'd spout off the name of some highly regarded college QB that will probably bust out of the NFL while some 7th round QB from Bucktussle Backstate College will rip the league a new one :)

[DarkHorse]

Addressing the O-Line is another area that I would seriously consider using both picks on.

[bendog]

Id be happy with two lineman in the first :yep: I would prefer a couple of Olineman :yep:
won't be 2 olinemen. Orginally I thought that if the Skins pick was in the top 10, we'd see both offensive tackles and defensive linemen. I think Lepsis will stay, but Brown is gone, and maybe Pryce too, so a defensive end would make sense, as the studs go early in the round. And, then we could find an athletic guard late in the round. If Wash is out of the top 10, that's less likely. If the skins keep winning, I can see shanny trading down.

[Nuggets4]

Why does everyone around here Have a Stick up their ass this week?

It's not just this week bro.

I blame Slap though. Or Popps. It's usually one of those two.

[broncosteven]

If you've watched Walls play this season, know about his injuries last year and career before that and are aware that he's a free agent at the end of the year, then you should know how dumb it is to really even toss around the notion of the team trading him.

Yes, I have an opinion. There's no way in Hell we would get anything for Walls at this point.


Thanks for your opinion- that wasn't so bad was it? Someone like Goonther or Greasy Al could have a hard on for him & be willing to part with a 7th rounder or conditial 5th pick, you never know what DC may be looking to upgrade I don't see him making an impact to this team & would prefer to get something for him if we can.

All we are saying is give peace a chance...

All you need is Love...

Truce?

[bendog]

It's not just this week bro.

I blame Slap though. Or Popps. It's usually one of those two.
I have a stick up my ass too, dammit!

[Beantown Bronco]

Considering how many people here say we can't get anything for Lelie in a trade, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of us paying someone to take Walls.....

[SleepingTiger]

won't be 2 olinemen. Orginally I thought that if the Skins pick was in the top 10, we'd see both offensive tackles and defensive linemen. I think Lepsis will stay, but Brown is gone, and maybe Pryce too, so a defensive end would make sense, as the studs go early in the round. And, then we could find an athletic guard late in the round. If Wash is out of the top 10, that's less likely. If the skins keep winning, I can see shanny trading down.

Is this a possibility? The two worst teams this year will prolly end up being the 49ers and Texans and neither having a need for Leinart. Trade up to either number 1 or 2 pick for our 2 number 1's and the following years number 1. Have him sit on the bench for a year while he learns the system. I think he is by far the most talented and proven QB that has come out in the past decade.

As much as I like Jake, he is too unpredictable. Everytime he drops back i get more grey hairs and loose about a month off my life span.

[bendog]

Anything's possible, but I don't see shanny giving up 3 no1s for anybody.

[Hotrod]

Anything's possible, but I don't see shanny giving up 3 no1s for anybody.

I would be shocked. Looking at Shannys draft history we might just trade down with both firsts and grab a couple of Olineman with huge upside but dropped in the draft due to MCL tears the last couple of seasons Ha!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

won't be 2 olinemen. Orginally I thought that if the Skins pick was in the top 10, we'd see both offensive tackles and defensive linemen. I think Lepsis will stay, but Brown is gone, and maybe Pryce too, so a defensive end would make sense, as the studs go early in the round. And, then we could find an athletic guard late in the round. If Wash is out of the top 10, that's less likely. If the skins keep winning, I can see shanny trading down.

I'm a firm believer that Broncs need a couple of young guys to bring along on the DL and my preference would be they get one with their first pick this year if one is available. Leinart is the only QB with first round talent this year and if you believe SI, there are some scouts that don't even believe that. Broncs needs that can be filled early are DL, OL and a pass catcher. Wr would be best, but if a TE phenom was there, it would make sense.

[Rohirrim]

If we move either of those 1st round picks it had better be for a proven, young stud WR like a Boldin, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson etc... - FAT chance any of those teams would move those guys or anyone else established of that nature

Or...

Use the picks to move up and snag a franchise QB for Shanny - not Jake - to mentor.

Too bad I don't watch college football or else i'd spout off the name of some highly regarded college QB that will probably bust out of the NFL while some 7th round QB from Bucktussle Backstate College will rip the league a new one :)

I like Stanton from Michigan State, or Broyle from Alabama. And neither of those guys will require a first round pick (or at best, a low first rounder). I think Leinhart will be an excellent QB, but why get into the massive money contest that forces you to cut some of the meat from your team just to sign them, and especially keep them, like Payaton is doing to the Colts? I'm just hoping the Broncos can use that first pick to get a real, bona fide, offensive weapon. I don't care whether it's at WR or RB. Look what a guy like Hines Ward does for Pittsburgh? He pretty much won that game for them last night, single handed. What the Broncos really need, IMHO, is a receiver who can go over the middle, always catch the ball, and then get big yards after the catch. So far, Watts, Adams and Lelie all seem to be "catch the ball and fall down" WRs. I don't know if that's because of their style, defensive play, or Jake's inaccuracy. YAC is the stat I want to see. The Broncos need that playmaker that not only makes a difference on his own, but at the same time, forces defenses into weaknesses in other coverages. A PLAYMAKER! (Does the name Shannon Sharpe ring any bells?)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I like Stanton from Michigan State, or Broyle from Alabama. ! (Does the name Shannon Sharpe ring any bells?)

Stanton is only a Junior and won't come out. I like Croyle, but his injury history will count against him. 2007 is the year for QBs - could be 4-6 in the first round.

[SleepingTiger]

Anything's possible, but I don't see shanny giving up 3 no1s for anybody.

We don't have any control of what Shanny does or doesnt do. But as fans, would trading 3 1st rounders for a QB like Leinart be too much or is he worth taking that risk. With all this doom and gloom about Jake, we should be taking this chance.

[Beantown Bronco]

It would be interesting if the 9ers, Texans, Green Bay were the bottom 3. None would be likely to take Leinhart and they'd all benefit from trading out. Someone's gonna have to overpay to get in there; whereas the last few years, you couldn't pay someone to take that #1 spot (just ask the 9ers).

[bendog]

We don't have any control of what Shanny does or doesnt do. But as fans, would trading 3 1st rounders for a QB like Leinart be too much or is he worth taking that risk. With all this doom and gloom about Jake, we should be taking this chance.
I just don't see it happening. Guys like Simms and Rivers are each year progressing to their contract year, and then there are the Carrs.

I'd crack up if he traded down just reading some of the reactions.

[SleepingTiger]

It would be interesting if the 9ers, Texans, Green Bay were the bottom 3. None would be likely to take Leinhart and they'd all benefit from trading out. Someone's gonna have to overpay to get in there; whereas the last few years, you couldn't pay someone to take that #1 spot (just ask the 9ers).

my point exactly! I see 49ers, texans and green bay all wanting to trade down. With all the extra picks they will be getting, why the hell not.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Let Walls walk. Someone will overpay him since he's a corner, and Denver can get a comp pick in '07 for him. Probably be higher than anything they can swing for him in a trade.

[broncosteven]

Let Walls walk. Someone will overpay him since he's a corner, and Denver can get a comp pick in '07 for him. Probably be higher than anything they can swing for him in a trade.


Good point but would we have to match or place an offer on him? I don't want to take him back or get stuck with him.

[Pat Bowlen]

Good point but would we have to match or place an offer on him? I don't want to take him back or get stuck with him.
Nobody ever gets "stuck" with a player in free agency.

[bendog]

Nobody ever gets "stuck" with a player in free agency.
yeah, yeah, well you paid the coke corner from KC, IHOP and hearst for a lot of nuttin (-: :bash:

[Rascal]

I have a trade question... doesn't involve Walls though.

What would you say if we trade ASHLEY LELIE and a 2nd in next years draft for ANQUAN BOLDIN?

Personally I think a player like Boldin would be the best bet for a future Rod Smith replacement. I hate the thought of it as much as anybody else...but Rod can't play forever. Honestly, I think Boldin is another TO in the making...minus the headcase part though!

DEAL!!

[broncosteven]

Nobody ever gets "stuck" with a player in free agency.

Is Walls a true FA this year or will he be restricted where we get a Comp pick if he signs somewhere else. I thought he was restricted last year & this year will be unrestricted.

[DarkHorse]

Unrestricted

[Kaylore]

Let's trade him now for a bag of cheerios and some Apple sauce.

[broncosteven]

Let's trade him now for a bag of cheerios and some Apple sauce.

That is Lunch for my 3 year old! after she digests it & sits on the Potty Lennys CB tallent comes out her butt. It actually smells better than his tackling ability.

[Rohirrim]

Maybe we could get something for him on Ebay?

[Broncoman13]

I think the Anquan Boldin scenario is more likely than the Mike Williams scenario. Rogers is probably gone from Detroit after the season. He's already stated that maybe the Lions should let him walk and look to another receiver. I wouldn't mind bringing Rogers in, but I don't think he's the "answer".

Brandon Lloyd will probably get big money from San Fran, He's a GOOD player and one of the few playmakers on that team. They should have money for him next year too!

Reggie Wayne could be the answer. I'm not in awe of him and would prefer a guy like Boldin. If the ball is catchable Boldin makes the catch. He runs good routes and gets yards after the catch. He can take a 2 yard pass and turn it into 20, but he can also go down and make that catch 40 yards down field! The Cards have Bryant Johnson and Fitz so they may be more inclined to swing a deal. Remember that Denny Green loved to just heave the ball deep to Randy Moss... you know that Ash will give him some of those opportunities. Then a 2nd round pick on top may be enough to push him over the edge to go ahead and make the trade.

Other than those guys there isn't much available. What we need is a Hines Ward type WR. A hard worker that blocks, gets first downs, has great hands (especially if we hang on to Jake) and can make a play after the catch. Maybe Reggie Wayne is the answer. He seems to have reliable hands. He can run after the catch. Don't know about his blocking though. Also don't know about his attitude. Maybe somebody like SoCal can enlighten us a bit.

One thing is certain. We need to bring in a bonafide star. Not the lame brain crap we've brought in the past. Sooner or later Shanny is going to realize that one superstar is worth a shot every now and then. That does not mean bring in Arnaz Battle and pay him superstar money. That means bring in a proven guy (Boldin, Wayne, Johnson) and pay them the money!

Ash and our later first would likely bring in Andre Johnson... I'd be game for that.

Oh, and lets make something clear. I have nothing against Ash. I like his game, but it's obvious we aren't going to use his abilities. Why on earth would he want to stay in Denver??? He's one of my favs but right now we need the heir apparent for Rod Smith and Ash isn't that cat!

[Rascal]

I would gladly give Lelie and our second rounder next year for Boldin. Who is his agent and how many years are left on his contract?

[Broncoman13]

I would gladly give Lelie and our second rounder next year for Boldin. Who is his agent and how many years are left on his contract?


It would have to be a sign and trade type deal. He'll be a RFA this offseason...unless he signed a new deal here in the last few months. Seems like I heard something about a new deal, but I don't recall if he ever got one???

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I would gladly give Lelie and our second rounder next year for Boldin. Who is his agent and how many years are left on his contract?

LMAO!

Yeah, that's a realistic offer.

[elsid13]

This is one of the dumbest thread I have read in long time. Is everyone going snow crazy in Colorado???

[DarkHorse]

This is one of the dumbest thread I have read in long time. Is everyone going snow crazy in Colorado???


It's people seeing that Ashley is struggling with the intermediate routes and we don't have much longer before Rod retires and we would have to elevate him to #1. He's not ready to be a #1 receiver yet - still needs to work on his hands and confidence on short and intermediate routes.

It's all just fun 'what if' or ' let's play GM'. I'm with the crowd that is thinking about Rods replacement and the fact that right now Ashley himself would benefit from a team that primarily throws the ball. In a system like that he could grow much faster so he may go in as #1 on a team like that. Think Minnesota, Atlanta, Philly, teams like that. Hell GB right now for that matter - didn't they just lose their wideout for the season?

Williams is unproven however - he's a rookie - i'd be hesitant to pay him any amount of franchise type money. Boldin, Andre Johnson perhaps, Brandon Lloyd - guys like this are hard to get tho. Those teams don't want to mess up any chemistry that may be there.

Any way - I think Ashley would do great in one of those systems that likes to take the shots downfield often. We do it, but, I think Ashley would be good for 85-90 a year in that type of system.

[Atlas]

Any chance we can trade Walls for some kind of conditional pick this April? He is an FA at end of the year. I would rather see us get something for him rather than just not sign him. We have one more week before trade deadline. Even if Champ is out another 2-3 weeks I would prefer to see KP out there than Walls. Not sure the status of Roc is he on IR? Anyway just thought it would be nice to get something for him now rather than let him walk away next year.

I'm sure that if Denver tried they might get a 7th from some team. Look how terrible the Cowboy, 49er, Packer, Saints secondaries are. Walls isn't terrible. Since the Miami game has he even given up a TD pass?

That being said Denver needs to keep him for security. After the last 2 offseasons. Denver should =keep all the depth they can get.

[Atlas]

It is the round leather ball with red stitching that you hit with a stick right?

Why don't you pretend your fist's name is Kyla Cole & GoFYS

Hey why bring Kyla into this??

[TheReverend]

Any chance we can trade Walls for some kind of conditional pick this April? He is an FA at end of the year. I would rather see us get something for him rather than just not sign him. We have one more week before trade deadline. Even if Champ is out another 2-3 weeks I would prefer to see KP out there than Walls. Not sure the status of Roc is he on IR? Anyway just thought it would be nice to get something for him now rather than let him walk away next year.

Yeah trading Walls right now is a GREAT idea... think about it. He's played so well we could get a first rounder for him! And it's not like we have a history of having an injury depleted backfield come January... so lets do it!

[TheReverend]

I'm sure that if Denver tried they might get a 7th from some team. Look how terrible the Cowboy, 49er, Packer, Saints secondaries are. Walls isn't terrible. Since the Miami game has he even given up a TD pass?

That being said Denver needs to keep him for security. After the last 2 offseasons. Denver should =keep all the depth they can get.

Yes. Kansas City's only score.

[Atlas]

Yes. Kansas City's only score.

OK so he gave up one TD in the last 4 games.

[TheReverend]

OK so he gave up one TD in the last 4 games.

Hasnt really had the opportunity to give up more...

[TheReverend]

I would gladly give Lelie and our second rounder next year for Boldin. Who is his agent and how many years are left on his contract?

Id rather he and Jake just got a little more confidence in each other. Ashley is extremely talented... he's done more than the stats reflect... beautiful basketball TD catch Sunday and the onsides recovery... couple GREAT runs against KC, and he hasnt complained publicly yet. Thats a good guy in my book. Try and get him some deep balls when we can and hell bloom even more when he has to... when Rod retires.

[Cito Pelon]

Let's trade him now for a bag of cheerios and some Apple sauce.

Lenny Walls is a part of this team, and he will remain a part of the team until the season is finished. This Lenny Walls bashing is getting to the point of being an "urban legend".

Lenny has made some damn good plays over the course of this season so far, and he will continue to make some damn fine plays over the course of the season that remains. There is not good reason to prey on Lenny. He is a part of the team, and he will remain a part of the team.

[Hotrod]

Lenny Walls is a part of this team, and he will remain a part of the team until the season is finished. This Lenny Walls bashing is getting to the point of being an "urban legend".

Lenny has made some damn good plays over the course of this season so far, and he will continue to make some damn fine plays over the course of the season that remains. There is not good reason to prey on Lenny. He is a part of the team, and he will remain a part of the team.

If hes making so many "good plays" why did he lose his starting job to a rookie? Seems to me everytime we turn around hes the weak link in the secondary.

[Atlas]

Lenny Walls is a part of this team, and he will remain a part of the team until the season is finished. This Lenny Walls bashing is getting to the point of being an "urban legend".

Lenny has made some damn good plays over the course of this season so far, and he will continue to make some damn fine plays over the course of the season that remains. There is not good reason to prey on Lenny. He is a part of the team, and he will remain a part of the team.

I agree. Williams and Foxworth gave up about 20 receptions Sunday but if Lenny gives up one people rip him. This is just like the Gold signing. People jumping on the Bash Walls bandwagon. It's pretty silly.

[DarkHorse]

Lenny Walls is a part of this team, and he will remain a part of the team until the season is finished. This Lenny Walls bashing is getting to the point of being an "urban legend".

Lenny has made some damn good plays over the course of this season so far, and he will continue to make some damn fine plays over the course of the season that remains. There is not good reason to prey on Lenny. He is a part of the team, and he will remain a part of the team.


In that case c'mon end of the season.

[DarkHorse]

I agree. Williams and Foxworth gave up about 20 receptions Sunday but if Lenny gives up one people rip him. This is just like the Gold signing. People jumping on the Bash Walls bandwagon. It's pretty silly.


And look what the Gold signing has done - anyone seen DJ Williams?

[TheReverend]

Trade him for Middlebrooks.

[Atlas]

If hes making so many "good plays" why did he lose his starting job to a rookie? Seems to me everytime we turn around hes the weak link in the secondary.

Williams is the future. I sure as hell noticed that Williams missed a lot of tackles on sunday. There were a lot of quick passes where Williams came up and missed the tackle. I choose not to rip him because he doesn't deserve to get ripped. Walls doesn't deserved to be ripped like he is either. He lost his starting job to a better player that's fine but he still goes out there and plays. He has given up one TD since the first week. Lot's of good CBs would love to say that.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

And look what the Gold signing has done - anyone seen DJ Williams?

Yep - he's playing pro bowl level about 60% of the time on the strong side and the rest of the time on the weak side. Covering tight ends like a wet blanket, which he did not demonstrate last year. His tackle totals are down because Broncs now have a functional DL.

[Hotrod]

I think it was the Jags game where they litterally took him off the field because he was getting picked on at the same rate as Roc in last years playoff game. Look I agree Walls is on the team and its silly to think he will be traded but I just dont think he all he was advertised to be.

[DarkHorse]

Yep - he's playing pro bowl level about 60% of the time on the strong side and the rest of the time on the weak side. Covering tight ends like a wet blanket, which he did not demonstrate last year. His tackle totals are down because Broncs now have a functional DL.


Fair enough - just that he's not the playmaker he was on the weak side before we pulled a Deltha O'Neal on him.

[DarkHorse]

I think it was the Jags game where they litterally took him off the field because he was getting picked on at the same rate as Roc in last years playoff game. Look I agree Walls is on the team and its silly to think he will be traded but I just dont think he all he was advertised to be.


Agreed - the height enamored people...many people - myself included.

His awareness and inability to locate the ball while it's in the air is what I don't like about him. That and the fact that he hasn't grown at all it seems in terms of development. He's makes the same mistakes he always has.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think he should be given a look at free safety.

[DarkHorse]

I think he should be given a look at free safety.


That's actually not a bad idea but we've run out of time with him. We would have to bulk him up and teach him to tackle. Being at FS he'd be able to see the field better - should be able to find the ball when he doesn't have to turn his head around and find it.

I'd be worried that he's not physical enough.

His time here is done - he'll start for someone else and maybe he'll get better. Right now tho, we have 2 rookie corners who are better than he is after x amount of time in Denver.

[Atlas]

That's actually not a bad idea but we've run out of time with him. We would have to bulk him up and teach him to tackle. Being at FS he'd be able to see the field better - should be able to find the ball when he doesn't have to turn his head around and find it.

I'd be worried that he's not physical enough.

His time here is done - he'll start for someone else and maybe he'll get better. Right now tho, we have 2 rookie corners who are better than he is after x amount of time in Denver.
I would agree with that but I wouild love for him to get a SB ring before he leaves!!!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It would have to be a sign and trade type deal. He'll be a RFA this offseason...unless he signed a new deal here in the last few months.

He did, he's signed through '10. Ashely and a 2nd never would have been enough either.

[Rock Chalk]

OK, lets get rid of walls.

Now, let's go find a corner of comprable value with comprable skills. Oh wait, we cant. Walls has not proven he is worth a paycheck, no matter what he thinks. If he tries, he may test the waters and find that Denver's still gonna offer hm more than he deserves.

Walls is a great depth guy and not a starter, so why get rid of him? Walls is better than Paymah and Foxworth, one great game not withstanding. Walls has had great games too. But hey, let's cut the guy. We dont need him like we didnt need Herndon or Tyrone Poole.

[DarkHorse]

He'd be the 4th cb in our rotation if we brought him back - offer next to nothing, exactly what he has earned in terms of a contract. He'd be better off somewhere else because he will start somewhere.

[Rock Chalk]

He'd be the 4th cb in our rotation if we brought him back - offer next to nothing, exactly what he has earned in terms of a contract. He'd be better off somewhere else because he will start somewhere.
Maybe 4th, but I still think he is better than Foxworth and Paymah both.

[~Crash~]

sure lets trade him.........not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good god how soon we forget how we got beat out last year!!!!!!! I think when we played miami we were playing with a saftey at CB and that was our last player we had left and you want to depleat a team that will be playing in nothig but bad conditions all season!!!!!!!! kc in december buffalo burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... ..........

[~Crash~]

can you say **** happens at the end of the season ....lol it has 2 years in a row ....now say do I feel more lucky this year now that we got this realy easy scedual....

[Cito Pelon]

Williams is the future. I sure as hell noticed that Williams missed a lot of tackles on sunday. There were a lot of quick passes where Williams came up and missed the tackle. I choose not to rip him because he doesn't deserve to get ripped. Walls doesn't deserved to be ripped like he is either. He lost his starting job to a better player that's fine but he still goes out there and plays. He has given up one TD since the first week. Lot's of good CBs would love to say that.

Yeah, I sure noticed Darrent didn't play his best game of the year, but not a peep of a rip on Darrent. Lenny already manned up and said he lost concentration earlier, that's half the battle. There's plenty of room for penalties on DB's, those guys get whistled for anything these days. Lenny is a part of the team, he isn't getting traded, he's done a good job this year, and he will continue to contribute to a Championship pursuit.

[Cito Pelon]

I think it was the Jags game where they litterally took him off the field because he was getting picked on at the same rate as Roc in last years playoff game. Look I agree Walls is on the team and its silly to think he will be traded but I just dont think he all he was advertised to be.

Lenny's a part of the team, he's not going anywhere, he's a good player, made some damn good plays supporting the run and also defending the pass, he's going to make some more good plays for the remainder of the season. Lenny's a good player.

[Drek]

If we put Lenny up on the block as soon as he moved down to 3rd on the charts we might have gotten a 4th (at best) out of him. Now? The best we can hope for is someone else's problem in a swap. Who knows though, Shanny has hoodwinked some teams recently in trades.

[16-JakE-16]

The thought of having Paymah in over Walls is not a good one. No matter how bad he is playing.

[16-JakE-16]

And having rookie corners 2-4 on the depth chart is just asking for it.

[broncosteven]

Hey why bring Kyla into this??

I couldn't think of another hot chicks name at the time that I would want to bone.

Thanks to you Atlas I know her name well!

[broncosteven]

Lenny Walls is a part of this team, and he will remain a part of the team until the season is finished. This Lenny Walls bashing is getting to the point of being an "urban legend".

Lenny has made some damn good plays over the course of this season so far, and he will continue to make some damn fine plays over the course of the season that remains. There is not good reason to prey on Lenny. He is a part of the team, and he will remain a part of the team.


My original point was that after this year he is Unrestricted FA & will leave town unless Pat pays him a boat load of cash he has not earned. I thought the way Shanny has been moving & shaking he could dump Lenny for a conditional pick 5-7(?) - get something for him now that the Rooks are playing well rather than cut/let him walk. I just wanted to talk Bronco football & get Maners opionions, what a freaking mistake on my part. The best laid plans of Mice & men...or something Lenny let me see the Rabit Lenny...

Jesus I wish I could go back in freaking time or something...any way I don't know why the Trade Ash stuff jumped to this thread. I looked out my window here in Chi-town (go Sox) & there is no full moon. You guys must have got a boat load of snow in your ass to be all grumpy & feisty. Sometimes you do things in life you regret...Like rooting for Chefs or posting & weak post during work while fighting Network issues & people that think because one FREAKING Application is slow the ENTIRE Network is hosed & I got to go Rabbit hunting on all the Routers & Server logs because App people are all Lazy Bear fans! MOTHER FREAKER!

[Ballhawk]

Walls has fell to #4 on the depth chart, let it go. He has become the most talked about #4 CB in the NFL...geesh. Be happy that DWill and Foxy are playing well and that Walls still is great depth for us at a position we have barely been able to fill come playoff time.

[Broncoman13]

LMAO!

Yeah, that's a realistic offer.

I tend to agree. Perhaps a first and Ash though I think that's a little much. Who knows though.

[Broncoman13]

OK, lets get rid of walls.

Now, let's go find a corner of comprable value with comprable skills. Oh wait, we cant. Walls has not proven he is worth a paycheck, no matter what he thinks. If he tries, he may test the waters and find that Denver's still gonna offer hm more than he deserves.

Walls is a great depth guy and not a starter, so why get rid of him? Walls is better than Paymah and Foxworth, one great game not withstanding. Walls has had great games too. But hey, let's cut the guy. We dont need him like we didnt need Herndon or Tyrone Poole.

I'll give you that right now he's better than Paymah...or more likely the same. Foxxy is already better and shows 10x the promise! If you want crap penalties on 3rd downs to keep drives alive...Walls is your guy. Go back and watch or review the game log from the Jags game. The jags went backward in yardage a couple weeks ago...yet they got TWO successive first downs b/c of Walls. I think that's when Shanny finally decided he had enough of Lenny!

For the record... I'm not saying to keep Lenny or cut him. I'm still on the fence when it comes to him staying or going. But, I am sick and tired of seeing him jump up and down like he just returned a pick 99 yards for a TD when the QB underthrows an open receiver that he was supposed to be covering!

[Cito Pelon]

I think the Anquan Boldin scenario is more likely than the Mike Williams scenario. Rogers is probably gone from Detroit after the season. He's already stated that maybe the Lions should let him walk and look to another receiver. I wouldn't mind bringing Rogers in, but I don't think he's the "answer".

Brandon Lloyd will probably get big money from San Fran, He's a GOOD player and one of the few playmakers on that team. They should have money for him next year too!

Reggie Wayne could be the answer. I'm not in awe of him and would prefer a guy like Boldin. If the ball is catchable Boldin makes the catch. He runs good routes and gets yards after the catch. He can take a 2 yard pass and turn it into 20, but he can also go down and make that catch 40 yards down field! The Cards have Bryant Johnson and Fitz so they may be more inclined to swing a deal. Remember that Denny Green loved to just heave the ball deep to Randy Moss... you know that Ash will give him some of those opportunities. Then a 2nd round pick on top may be enough to push him over the edge to go ahead and make the trade.

Other than those guys there isn't much available. What we need is a Hines Ward type WR. A hard worker that blocks, gets first downs, has great hands (especially if we hang on to Jake) and can make a play after the catch. Maybe Reggie Wayne is the answer. He seems to have reliable hands. He can run after the catch. Don't know about his blocking though. Also don't know about his attitude. Maybe somebody like SoCal can enlighten us a bit.

One thing is certain. We need to bring in a bonafide star. Not the lame brain crap we've brought in the past. Sooner or later Shanny is going to realize that one superstar is worth a shot every now and then. That does not mean bring in Arnaz Battle and pay him superstar money. That means bring in a proven guy (Boldin, Wayne, Johnson) and pay them the money!

Ash and our later first would likely bring in Andre Johnson... I'd be game for that.

Oh, and lets make something clear. I have nothing against Ash. I like his game, but it's obvious we aren't going to use his abilities. Why on earth would he want to stay in Denver??? He's one of my favs but right now we need the heir apparent for Rod Smith and Ash isn't that cat!

What the F are you talking here? You're the guy that starts the "OSKIE........SCORE" threads, and now this? You're speculating with this baloney at 4-1? The best 3-phase team in years, and you're speculating with a 6 paragraph post to dismantle the team now?

[Broncoman13]

Yep - he's playing pro bowl level about 60% of the time on the strong side and the rest of the time on the weak side. Covering tight ends like a wet blanket, which he did not demonstrate last year. His tackle totals are down because Broncs now have a functional DL.


I disagree, but okay. I'm not down on DJ. It makes me mad to see him leave the field for the Nickel. Seems that we should be able to put Ian in as the nickel back in the "big nickel" package and leave DJ on the field. Not saying that Sam Brandon isn't doing a fine job, but it stands to reason that Ian and DJ are both better players.

[Broncoman13]

What the F are you talking here? You're the guy that starts the "OSKIE........SCORE" threads, and now this? You're speculating with this baloney at 4-1? The best 3-phase team in years, and you're speculating with a 6 paragraph post to dismantle the team now?


Dismantle the team? Hmm, reading comprehension apparently isn't your strong suit. I'll keep this short and simple so you can keep up. Rod Smith is on his last legs. Maybe another year or two, but he isn't what he was 5 years ago...nor do I expect him to be. So we need somebody that can come in and be that #1 go-to receiver. If you call suggesting that we trade one of my favorite players (Ash) dismantling the team... whoa, talk about taking a post out of context or not understanding the meaning of dismantle!

As for my Oskie threads. What does that have to do with this? So b/c I support the Oskie Karma I cannot have an opinion on the future of this team?

Ask yourself this question. Will Ash remain happy in an offense that throws the ball his way 3 times per game? He'll ask for a trade himself! Do you know why? B/c 3 opportunities per game will never give him the success he's capable of achieving, and without that success he'll never get his big payday. He's a class guy and I love him, but even Ash will want his pay day when the time comes. If Denver his limiting his potential at that pay day he'll bounce in a hurry!

[DarkHorse]

Dismantle the team? Hmm, reading comprehension apparently isn't your strong suit. I'll keep this short and simple so you can keep up. Rod Smith is on his last legs. Maybe another year or two, but he isn't what he was 5 years ago...nor do I expect him to be. So we need somebody that can come in and be that #1 go-to receiver. If you call suggesting that we trade one of my favorite players (Ash) dismantling the team... whoa, talk about taking a post out of context or not understanding the meaning of dismantle!

As for my Oskie threads. What does that have to do with this? So b/c I support the Oskie Karma I cannot have an opinion on the future of this team?

Ask yourself this question. Will Ash remain happy in an offense that throws the ball his way 3 times per game? He'll ask for a trade himself! Do you know why? B/c 3 opportunities per game will never give him the success he's capable of achieving, and without that success he'll never get his big payday. He's a class guy and I love him, but even Ash will want his pay day when the time comes. If Denver his limiting his potential at that pay day he'll bounce in a hurry!


Second time tonight he's tried to 'dismantle' a post while offering nothing more than a couple lines of bashing. Dig deeper - there's a bonafide opinion about the topic at hand in there somewhere - you can find it.

[Broncoman13]

Second time tonight he's tried to 'dismantle' a post while offering nothing more than a couple lines of bashing. Dig deeper - there's a bonafide opinion about the topic at hand in there somewhere - you can find it.


You talking about me or Cito?

[BroncoFanDoug]

Why does everyone around here Have a Stick up their ass this week? it is a freaking question I am looking for your Opionion but I guess you would prefer to call each other names so if that is the case you can wrap your lips around the base of my Love Pole.

My question obviously was not stated at below the 6th grade level like the newspapers have to do so here it is again:

Do you think we can or should trade Lenny Walls before the trading deadline in order to pick up a low round or conditional pick or just let him walk away at the end of the year.

I think we have a chance THIS year.

Champ is looking a bit fragile. DW is playing like a veteran, but although the others are great for rookies, they are still, um, rookies.

Trade value low right now. An area we are fighting injuries and inexperience. I am not a Walls supported, but I say keep him for at least reasonable security. If I thought we were headed to 8 - 8 I would say different.

[Cito Pelon]

I'll give you that right now he's better than Paymah...or more likely the same. Foxxy is already better and shows 10x the promise! If you want crap penalties on 3rd downs to keep drives alive...Walls is your guy. Go back and watch or review the game log from the Jags game. The jags went backward in yardage a couple weeks ago...yet they got TWO successive first downs b/c of Walls. I think that's when Shanny finally decided he had enough of Lenny!

For the record... I'm not saying to keep Lenny or cut him. I'm still on the fence when it comes to him staying or going. But, I am sick and tired of seeing him jump up and down like he just returned a pick 99 yards for a TD when the QB underthrows an open receiver that he was supposed to be covering!

That's a tough one to argue with. There are 11 games left, and Lenny isn't going anywhere for those 11 games. He's a part of the team, and I'm sure the coaches and his teammates are looking for Lenny to OSKIE.

[Atlas]

I disagree, but okay. I'm not down on DJ. It makes me mad to see him leave the field for the Nickel. Seems that we should be able to put Ian in as the nickel back in the "big nickel" package and leave DJ on the field. Not saying that Sam Brandon isn't doing a fine job, but it stands to reason that Ian and DJ are both better players.

Neither DJ or Gold can cover the T.E. better than Brandon. That is why Brandon is brought in. He is manned up on the T.E. and he has been playing great!!

[listopencil]

Lame ass bull**** thread.

[Rascal]

If we are even thinking of it I would send a flier to the Falcons to see what they would offer for him.

They lost Cash for the season and they already lost Mathis so they are in some trouble at CB. Now they are going to rely on an injured Rossum to play nickelback...ugh.

[DarkHorse]

As terrible as I feel he is - I wouldn't let him walk until the end of the season. If before the end of the season it would take a 3rd rounder to give him up right now. We need the depth down the line - he's a liability IMO but he still has starter experience and i'd like him as depth.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Bring in Middlebrooks... He's rockin the Quizno's right down the street from me...

[Hotrod]

Lenny's a part of the team, he's not going anywhere, he's a good player, made some damn good plays supporting the run and also defending the pass, he's going to make some more good plays for the remainder of the season. Lenny's a good player.

Slow down slick. Im not in the camp that thinks we should get rid of him short of letting him walk off after this season. Im all for keeping him for depth. What I am saying is Walls flat out sucks.

[Pat Bowlen]

Bring in Middlebrooks... He's rockin the Quizno's right down the street from me...
How's his sandwich coverage?

[bendog]

I thought SF resigned Willie?

[ozomulsion]

I thought SF resigned Willie?

They did, after two season ending injuries to their CBs

[Pat Bowlen]

I really thought TheReverend would be all over this thread by now.

[NaptownChief]

If we are even thinking of it I would send a flier to the Falcons to see what they would offer for him.




Probably the proverbial two used jock straps and 3 slightly worn duffle bags.

[Broncoman13]

Probably the proverbial two used jock straps and 3 slightly worn duffle bags.


We were talking about Lenny Walls not your entired Defensive Line!!!!!! ~4321~

[Odysseus]

A bad thread getting worst. Ryan Leaf. There! Now it's perfect.