"He bumped me with malice in his heart, and he was gone''

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Did anybody see the Baltimore/Detroit game? I kind of wonder if Mike Carey's crew didn't start to take things a little personally out there today.

21 penalties and two ejections against one team? No doubt that the Ravens lost their composure big time, but that seems a bit excessive.

Lions welcome flag flurry; 21 penalties: never more for Ravens (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/12861550.htm)

By GEORGE SIPPLE

Detroit Free Press

DETROIT - A week after the Detroit Lions thought the referees had cost them a victory in Tampa, they saw things go their way against the Baltimore Ravens.

Cornerback Dre' Bly was happy to see it: ``I was glad to see their guys get kicked out the game and calls going against them because it seems like calls been going against us ever since I been here.''

Bly added that the Ravens' behavior was ``outrageous and it cost them. Sometimes that happens when you get caught up in the game.''

A touchdown catch by Marcus Pollard in the final seconds Oct. 2 against Tampa Bay was overturned, resulting in a 17-13 loss.

The Ravens committed a franchise-record 21 penalties for 147 yards. They tied for the second-most penalties in league history. The record is 22, set three times, most recently by Steve Mariucci-coached San Francisco Oct. 4, 1998, against Buffalo.

``We felt like what happened today was a team just losing their composure and us keeping our composure,'' said Lions running back Artose Pinner, who rushed nine times for 32 yards and a touchdown in the 35-17 victory.

Two Ravens_defensive end Terrell Suggs and strong safety B.J. Ward_were ejected.

Afterward, Ravens coach Brian Billick choose not to say much about the officiating.

``To comment right now would simply be giving into the emotion that you saw us give into on the field,'' Billick said. ``I am not prepared to answer your questions to the degree that you deserve right now. ...

``We have no structure right now in the league for me to comment on the officiating in an appropriate way. I will file whatever concerns I have with the league. To do it right now would serve no purpose. The league doesn't want it. I don't want it anymore than ranting at the officials on the field served a purpose.''

The Ravens were called for 10 penalties in the first half, and Billick said he addressed the penalties with his team at halftime.

``The last thing I told them as we left the locker room was that I did not want anyone talking to the officials,'' Billick said. ``The emotion got the better of them. We will address it tomorrow as a team.''

With 4:24 left in the third quarter, Suggs was called for roughing the passer. Suggs jumped up and got in the face of umpire Mike Carey, who then threw his cap to signal that Suggs had been ejected.

``He bumped me with malice in his heart, and he was gone,'' Carey said. ``He said a number of things to me.''

Ward was ejected with 1:43 left in the third quarter for bumping an official. The officials appeared to flag the wrong guy, though. Ed Reed was the guilty player.

Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis wasn't called for any of penalties, but he said people should understand football is an emotional game.

``Sooner or later, it has to just boil down to straight football,'' he said. ``Football is a contact, touchy sport_any way you look at it.

Asked about the penalties, Lewis said: ``I just think Detroit made less mistakes than we did in the officials' eyes.''

Ray Ray seems to be taking it like a man anyway, more than I can say for Billick.

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Sorry the link takes you to a subscription page. Didn't notice that earlier.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Is he quoting shakespeare? ROFL!

[missingnumber7]

Did they miss the touching the official rule part of the preseason? They are lucky this isn't basketball. Touching an official is like a 10 game suspension.

[SoCalBronco]

Its about time the Ravens filthiness was consistently called out.

Billick should STFU about the officials. He is the biggest piece of filthy lying scum this side of Greasy Al. He deserves to have his big nose stomped on till it gushes like a punctured tomato turned upside down.

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Its about time the Ravens filthiness was consistently called out.

Billick should STFU about the officials. He is the biggest piece of filthy lying scum this side of Greasy Al. He deserves to have his big nose stomped on till it gushes like a punctured tomato turned upside down.
You don't like him, eh?

[Mtbrncofn]

I'm just reveling in the fact that the Ratbirds really suck this year.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Yeah, refs always take things personal - ROUGHING THE PALATE, ROUGHING THE PALATE!!!

The refs had a rough day around the league getting decleated, roughing up the brim of his hat, grabbed by the arm - in general and it even carried over in baseball with 18 innings, could you imagine calling every pitch for 18 innings? I would have liked to see the refs in the Skins v. Broncos game get their azz kicked around a little bit more, that was one ****y crew of zebs!

[Clockwork Orange]

What if he'd bumped him with a song in his heart? Would that have made a difference?

[Natedogg]

Its about time the Ravens filthiness was consistently called out.

Billick should STFU about the officials. He is the biggest piece of filthy lying scum this side of Greasy Al. He deserves to have his big nose stomped on till it gushes like a punctured tomato turned upside down.

REP.REP.REP.

[missingnumber7]

Yeah, refs always take things personal - ROUGHING THE PALATE, ROUGHING THE PALATE!!!

The refs had a rough day around the league getting decleated, roughing up the brim of his hat, grabbed by the arm - in general and it even carried over in baseball with 18 innings, could you imagine calling every pitch for 18 innings? I would have liked to see the refs in the Skins v. Broncos game get their azz kicked around a little bit more, that was one ****y crew of zebs!
I've met the guy that called that game. Gary Cedarstrom is from Minot ND

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Alas, Poor Terrell, I Knew Him Well!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Prick us, do we not bleed? Wrong us...will we not toss your ass out of the game?

[Atlas]

Did anybody see the Baltimore/Detroit game? I kind of wonder if Mike Carey's crew didn't start to take things a little personally out there today.

21 penalties and two ejections against one team? No doubt that the Ravens lost their composure big time, but that seems a bit excessive.



Ray Ray seems to be taking it like a man anyway, more than I can say for Billick.

NFL Refs are the police of the game and like typical thugs the Ravens have no respect for them,.

[Mtbrncofn]

What if he'd bumped him with a song in his heart? Would that have made a difference?


I think it would have depended on what the song was. ;)

[ZachKC]

I didn't have a problem with the way that game was reffed but I have to admit I can't remember a ref every making a comment about a game or call after a game. Refs never talk to the reporters it seems until its long long after the event happened.

[Play2win]

Billick should STFU about the officials. He is the biggest piece of filthy lying scum this side of Greasy Al. He deserves to have his big nose stomped on till it gushes like a punctured tomato turned upside down.
C'mon, SoCal, tell us how you REALLY FEEL!! ;D

[RhymesayersDU]

I didn't have a problem with the way that game was reffed but I have to admit I can't remember a ref every making a comment about a game or call after a game. Refs never talk to the reporters it seems until its long long after the event happened.
Great Point.

Usually, in any sport, refs make their way to the exit ASAP. They don't want to comment on the games, or calls, or anything. Actually I think (or used to think, after seeing this article) that refs weren't allowed to talk, because the leagues didn't want them to say they made a bad call or something, and thus cause other issues to arise.

This is really interesting that he commented on it after the game.

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I didn't have a problem with the way that game was reffed but I have to admit I can't remember a ref every making a comment about a game or call after a game. Refs never talk to the reporters it seems until its long long after the event happened.
That's why I put it in the thread title. It seemed to me like Carey's crew took this game kind of personally. He was on the field a few years ago in a game when we lost to the Redskins and not a single call went our way all afternoon.

[Blueflame]

NFL Refs are the police of the game and like typical thugs the Ravens have no respect for them,.

Perhaps... but where's the consistency in enforcement of the rules? I mean, when Rondé Barber decks an official but isn't ejected, how can the league justify ejecting a player for making physical contact with an official's cap?

As a sidenote, it has seemed to me that Mike Carey enjoys his television time perhaps a bit more than the average NFL official... (meaning that when his crew is the one working the game, the viewer can pretty much expect to see lots and lots of penalty flags).

[RhymesayersDU]

Perhaps... but where's the consistency in enforcement of the rules? I mean, when Rondé Barber decks an official but isn't ejected, how can the league justify ejecting a player for making physical contact with an official's cap?

This is the interesting thing about how calls can go. Both refs took it personally, but in very different ways. Obviously, Carey took major offense and tossed the guy. It was suggested by the guys calling the Tampa Bay game that the official who got hit wanted to act tough, and play it off like it was nothing, and that was the reason he didn't eject Barber. Honestly, I think there might be something to that.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Perhaps... but where's the consistency in enforcement of the rules? I mean, when Rondé Barber decks an official but isn't ejected, how can the league justify ejecting a player for making physical contact with an official's cap?

As a sidenote, it has seemed to me that Mike Carey enjoys his television time perhaps a bit more than the average NFL official... (meaning that when his crew is the one working the game, the viewer can pretty much expect to see lots and lots of penalty flags).


Good insight....just wait til the Raider Thugs play the Raven Thugs - someone is going to get shot!

[RhymesayersDU]

Good insight....just wait til the Raider Thugs play the Raven Thugs - someone is going to get shot!
Did you mean in the stands or on the field? ;)

[Blueflame]

This is the interesting thing about how calls can go. Both refs took it personally, but in very different ways. Obviously, Carey took major offense and tossed the guy. It was suggested by the guys calling the Tampa Bay game that the official who got hit wanted to act tough, and play it off like it was nothing, and that was the reason he didn't eject Barber. Honestly, I think there might be something to that.

Given that both TB and Baltimore lost their games today, the point is moot for now... but had TB gone on to win (with an un-ejected Rondé Barber perhaps influencing the outcome of that game), there could be room for speculation that the ejection of Ravens players (for lesser breaches of protocol than Rondé's) might have been a major factor. And as the season progresses, could such discrepancies even affect the playoff picture if a uniform standard is not adopted and enforced?

The capriciousness with which some penalties... and fines... are levied has the potential to "tilt the playing field". IMHO, a modicum of consistency would appear to be in the best interests of the sport.

[RhymesayersDU]

Given that both TB and Baltimore lost their games today, the point is moot for now... but had TB gone on to win (with an un-ejected Rondé Barber perhaps influencing the outcome of that game), there could be room for speculation that the ejection of Ravens players (for lesser breaches of protocol than Rondé's) might have been a major factor. And as the season progresses, could such discrepancies even affect the playoff picture if a uniform standard is not adopted and enforced?

The capriciousness with which some penalties... and fines... are levied has the potential to "tilt the playing field". IMHO, a modicum of consistency would appear to be in the best interests of the sport.

Totally agree. I think, on some penalties, there needs to be a standard, and on others, you let the refs use their judgement. In this case, any time a player touches an official, he should be gone. No discussion, nothing. On other calls during the game, pass interference, holding, whatever, there's always the guys who call ticky tack, and those who let them play. Plus they're going at full speed.

But for some of these calls between plays, whether it be guys fighting, or touching officials, there needs to be a standard, period. Again, no discussion, just toss em.

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Did you mean in the stands or on the field? ;)
Can't it be both?

[watermock]

I can't believe Barber didn't get thrown. It was an accident...but it wasn't like he wasn't aiming a right hook at another player.

I also agree about tilting the field. That isn't the officials job. It's supposed to be to keep it LEVEL. I didn't see the game, but I have heard from several people that that last Washington drive had sever uncalled penalties and Paymah's fouls were tickytack.

[Goobzilla]

Given that both TB and Baltimore lost their games today, the point is moot for now... but had TB gone on to win (with an un-ejected Rondé Barber perhaps influencing the outcome of that game), there could be room for speculation that the ejection of Ravens players (for lesser breaches of protocol than Rondé's) might have been a major factor. And as the season progresses, could such discrepancies even affect the playoff picture if a uniform standard is not adopted and enforced?

The capriciousness with which some penalties... and fines... are levied has the potential to "tilt the playing field". IMHO, a modicum of consistency would appear to be in the best interests of the sport.

REP for using capriciousness and modicum in the same post hmmm...

[Mtbrncofn]

I can't believe Barber didn't get thrown. It was an accident...but it wasn't like he wasn't aiming a right hook at another player.

I also agree about tilting the field. That isn't the officials job. It's supposed to be to keep it LEVEL. I didn't see the game, but I have heard from several people that that last Washington drive had sever uncalled penalties and Paymah's fouls were tickytack.


The one was clearly after the play was over and he did lead in there with his helmet. Stupid rook mistake...I hope. Crap, I can't remember what happened on the other one.

[Northman]

Did anybody see the Baltimore/Detroit game? I kind of wonder if Mike Carey's crew didn't start to take things a little personally out there today.

21 penalties and two ejections against one team? No doubt that the Ravens lost their composure big time, but that seems a bit excessive.



Ray Ray seems to be taking it like a man anyway, more than I can say for Billick.


I saw it, the calls were just. the only bad call was the goal line stand the Ravens made against the Lions but the personal fouls were by the book. actually, Reed was still able to stay in the game and he had bumped the official as well.

[RunByDesign]

The one was clearly after the play was over and he did lead in there with his helmet. Stupid rook mistake...I hope. Crap, I can't remember what happened on the other one.

I was an invisible holding penalty against Paymah. The contact was mutual and could have (and probably should have) been interpreted to have been instigated by the reciever. (David Patten)

Paymah has been targeted by the officials, it seems, in his limited appearances.

The spearing call was legit, however. Stupid rook mistake.

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I was an invisible holding penalty against Paymah. The contact was mutual and could have (and probably should have) been interpreted to have been instigated by the reciever. (David Patten)

Paymah has been targeted by the officials, it seems, in his limited appearances.

The spearing call was legit, however. Stupid rook mistake.
On the first call, he was probably getting rookie treatment. As you noted, Patten initiated contact. I guess DW and the Fox have largely escaped rookie treatment from the refs, but I'm sure its coming.

[RunByDesign]

On the first call, he was probably getting rookie treatment. As you noted, Patten initiated contact. I guess DW and the Fox have largely escaped rookie treatment from the refs, but I'm sure its coming.

It is kind of odd.

I fully expect, as you opined, that on a National Stage, with the season on the line, against the glamor boys of the NFL, (the TO's and Marvin Harrisons, etc.) there will be considerably less margin-for-error, when it comes to officials giving Fox and DW some leeway.

Comes with the territory, though. As both of the kids have demonstrated before, they just have to have a short memory and make a play, regardless of how the game is called.

Makes 'em players, it does.

[Garcia Bronco]

I didn't have a problem with the way that game was reffed but I have to admit I can't remember a ref every making a comment about a game or call after a game. Refs never talk to the reporters it seems until its long long after the event happened.

That the first thing I thought as well.

[DivineLegion]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2005-10/19889330.jpg

"Dident you know I was a God Damned Poet!"

[Rocket 7]

Billick needs to go. It's very obvious the reason the Ravens won a Super Bowl was more Marvin Lewis then Brian Billick. They are living of a legacy that doesn't exist anymore. Baltimore once was "bad" but now their just simply bad

[Mtbrncofn]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2005-10/19889330.jpg

"Dident you know I was a God Damned Poet!"


Looks more like a god damned ring tailed lemur there.

[RaiderH8r]

I've met the guy that called that game. Gary Cedarstrom is from Minot ND
If you see him again tell him the strike zone does not go from dug out to dug out. That guy's zone was wider than Oprah's ass after a 3 month chocolate binge.