Redskins post game show now admit Broncos got better end of the big trade [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Bronco Yoda

10-09-2005, 07:42 PM

Considering all the debates in the past on this subject I thought people would find this interesting.

Todays Redskins post game show had the talking heads stating that "Bell' just shows that the Broncos got the better end of the Portis/Champ trade.

Furthermore... they said if Portiis doesn't develop into the home run big hitter they traded for (as of now he still hasn't) then the lopsided trade will look likeeven a worse fleecing.

I see now that even people around the skins are now admitting to what some of us were saying all along.

For sure there was no 'losers' in the trade. Both got what they thought they needed and were after but clearly Denver was the much bigger winner.

Can't wait to see what kind of 1st rounder we're going to get from them this year.

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 07:46 PM

Kaylore

10-09-2005, 07:47 PM

You guys did...it was extremely dumb for us to give you guys a second rounder. If it was Portis for Champ straight up i would call it even because both positions were needed.
I agree.

bloodsunday

10-09-2005, 07:48 PM

You guys did...it was extremely dumb for us to give you guys a second rounder. If it was Portis for Champ straight up i would call it even because both positions were needed.
I also agree. Tatum swings the deal.

Clockwork Orange

10-09-2005, 07:48 PM

You guys did...it was extremely dumb for us to give you guys a second rounder. If it was Portis for Champ straight up i would call it even because both positions were needed.

Most everyone here thought that it should have been the Broncos sending a 2nd rounder the Skins way in that deal.

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 07:50 PM

I also agree. Tatum swings the deal.

I see Bell succeeding in your system much better than Anderson would. He can juke like mad and he single handedly beat our D. Gotta give him credit...he could be something special.

elsid13

10-09-2005, 07:52 PM

I see Bell succeeding in your system much better than Anderson would. He can juke like mad and he single handedly beat our D. Gotta give him credit...he could be something special.

It wasn't the running that Bell show today, but rather his pass blocking that got me excited today. It appear he understand the blocking scheme which mean more time on the field

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 07:52 PM

Most everyone here thought that it should have been the Broncos sending a 2nd rounder the Skins way in that deal.

To tell you the truth though..skins fans are happy with Clinton because before him we had Trung Candidate.

Also we robbed the Jets in a trade this year.

Santana Moss is going to have a killer year.

bloodsunday

10-09-2005, 08:09 PM

I see Bell succeeding in your system much better than Anderson would. He can juke like mad and he single handedly beat our D. Gotta give him credit...he could be something special.
Yeah but the one thing Portis never did well here was make the average play. He was great at the big play, but he was not consistent enough on the 3 - 5 yard play, catching the ball, etc.... That is at least part of the reason we were willing to part with him and at least part of the reason Bell is not our starter yet. He has big play ability, but Bell has a bit more to prove before he locks it up.

It looks like Portis has learned about the average play in Washington simply because he doesn't get as many big play opportunities. The offense utilizes him differently.

bloodsunday

10-09-2005, 08:10 PM

To tell you the truth though..skins fans are happy with Clinton because before him we had Trung Candidate.

Also we robbed the Jets in a trade this year.

Santana Moss is going to have a killer year.
Santana looks good. Coles, like the whole J-E-T-S offense, is struggling. You got the better end of that deal.. so far at least.

Maybe you should deal with them instead of Denver ;D

MrPeepers

10-09-2005, 08:14 PM

tater tot is the difference, he's not special yet, but if he can keep holding onto the ball and working harder with the team he'll definately tip the scales our way heavily.

Bob's your Information Minister

10-09-2005, 08:17 PM

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 08:22 PM

Santana looks good. Coles, like the whole J-E-T-S offense, is struggling. You got the better end of that deal.. so far at least.

Maybe you should deal with them instead of Denver ;D

Why dont we just give you our first this year as well! Oh wait...

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 08:24 PM

It's way too early to pass judgement on the trade.

Portis had a a decent year last year and Bailey played OK while giving up some long TDs.

This year, Portis is playing better and Bailey has been hurt alot.

I dunno about that...Portis has been getting his yards but the endzone is invisible to him. He simply does not have the dedication to get there...maybe it's our o-line not getting enough push...i dunno. But 4 games without a TD. He's gonna get at least 2 next week.

Bob's your Information Minister

10-09-2005, 08:26 PM

I dunno about that...Portis has been getting his yards but the endzone is invisible to him. He simply does not have the dedication to get there...maybe it's our o-line not getting enough push...i dunno. But 4 games without a TD. He's gonna get at least 2 next week.

I've never thought of Portis as an "inside-the-20" back. If you're not getting many redzone possessions and your wide recievers suck at blocking downfield, your RBs won't be scoring many TDs.

TexanBob

10-09-2005, 08:27 PM

If you think the Skins got snookered in the Portis trade, imagine how you'll feel with the first rounder the Broncos will get next spring.

Bronco Yoda

10-09-2005, 08:28 PM

I'll say this for Portis... that was one heck of a block on Al Wilson today. He blew him up big time.

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 08:29 PM

If you think the Skins got snookered in the Portis trade, imagine how you'll feel with the first rounder the Broncos will get next spring.

I would probably be feeling pretty good since you guys are going to get at least the 20th pick in the draft.

How would you feel if Jason Campbell was the real deal? You musn't forget about him. If he turns out good the trade looks good. So even if you get a bit lower pick it depends on that.

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 08:30 PM

I've never thought of Portis as an "inside-the-20" back. If you're not getting many redzone possessions and your wide recievers suck at blocking downfield, your RBs won't be scoring many TDs.

Our passing game is a few steps ahead of our running game right now...but we will get it back on track.

SoCalBronco

10-09-2005, 08:31 PM

If they thought they got raped on that one, just wait till the draft.

Atlas

10-09-2005, 08:34 PM

I've never thought of Portis as an "inside-the-20" back. If you're not getting many redzone possessions and your wide recievers suck at blocking downfield, your RBs won't be scoring many TDs.

He scored 29 TDs for Denver in 2 years.....Hell, Bob he scored 5 against your chefs in one game!! LOL Damn that was a great game.

RhymesayersDU

10-09-2005, 08:35 PM

I would probably be feeling pretty good since you guys are going to get at least the 20th pick in the draft.

How would you feel if Jason Campbell was the real deal? You musn't forget about him. If he turns out good the trade looks good. So even if you get a bit lower pick it depends on that.
The Campbell point is fair. If he gets the ball next year and takes you to the top, it was definately worth the sacrafice.

However, at the same time, we won't know for a couple years either way. We've got to see where your pick ends up, and what we do with it. Let's say you guys lose out and go 3-13. (Not smack or anything, just a hypothetical) The Broncos get, say, Leinart, and he becomes our next great QB, then it looks like we totally hosed you guys.

Or maybe we blow the pick on a bust, and it ends up better for you guys. Or maybe we trade the pick.

Just saying, we won't know about the ramifications of that draft day trade for a couple years.

enjolras

10-09-2005, 08:36 PM

Straight up it sure looks like Denver got the better of the trade. But you have to look at the situation too. You had two contract problems.. the skins got a really good running back (although it looks to me like they need some speed on their offensive line to really utilize him on those stretch plays) and the Broncos converted their contract problem into an incredible defensive player.

To me it really shows just how important the team is in the NFL. Champ was good last year, but with the MUCH improved front 4 in place he looks absolutely incredible. Portis is still a great player.. but like all running backs he really needs the right set of players in front of him to flourish. I just don't think the Skins quite have that in place yet..

Bob's your Information Minister

10-09-2005, 08:39 PM

Portis TD yardage in Denver:

2002 -

1, 2, 1, 4, 1, 11, 9, 43, 8, 51, 3, 1, 2, 4, 12

2003 -

2, 8, 65, 4, 15, 1, 1, 11, 1, 59, 28, 53, 1, 13

So I was wrong. Is Portis getting the ball in the redzone?

Bronco Yoda

10-09-2005, 08:43 PM

no, he's not.

Bob's your Information Minister

10-09-2005, 08:45 PM

no, he's not.

Then playcalling is to blame.

Got_Moss89?

10-09-2005, 08:52 PM

Then playcalling is to blame.

Yeah...i have to agree with that somewhat. That and our o-line not getting enough push.

Ratboy

10-09-2005, 08:56 PM

Too bad Mike Shanahan was blind to see Tatum's talent in the beginning of the year. There goes my original prediction of 1800 yards. Looks like he will only get 1200.

2KBack

10-09-2005, 09:04 PM

Too bad Mike Shanahan was blind to see Tatum's talent in the beginning of the year. There goes my original prediction of 1800 yards. Looks like he will only get 1200.

It was more like the Overzealous Bell fans were blind to his liability in the passing game. As long as he isn't getting plummer killed, I'm all for him starting. Also, it's not like he didn't get 99% of the carries week one, our only loss.

Atlas

10-09-2005, 09:04 PM

Too bad Mike Shanahan was blind to see Tatum's talent in the beginning of the year. There goes my original prediction of 1800 yards. Looks like he will only get 1200.

Tatum might not be getting the big yards if it wasn't for Anderson beating up the defense for a 1/2. I think Anderson will contiinue to get the starts but Bell will get more carries. Hey, it's working!!

Ballhawk

10-09-2005, 09:13 PM

It was more like the Overzealous Bell fans were blind to his liability in the passing game. As long as he isn't getting plummer killed, I'm all for him starting. Also, it's not like he didn't get 99% of the carries week one, our only loss.

This is such a crock!! We run PA pass/Rollouts/or put the back in the flat 90% of the time. I seriously doubt that it is better for the team to take an exsplosive HR threat out for a back that can block better for 2-3 plays

Ratboy

10-09-2005, 09:14 PM

Tatum might not be getting the big yards if it wasn't for Anderson beating up the defense for a 1/2. I think Anderson will contiinue to get the starts but Bell will get more carries. Hey, it's working!!

I guess you can look at it that way. I would be happy with Tatum getting 15 carries and Mike getting 15.

Tatum shows that he can take it all the way any time. I like that in a runningback.

DBroncos4life

10-09-2005, 09:16 PM

I'll never understand taking out the better player because he can't block. If the guy can score us points like he did to day then he should be on the field. MA should be on the field as well, but come on don't take the better guy out because he can't do one thing. You are leaving MA in the game when he ISN'T the better runner!!!!!

2KBack

10-09-2005, 09:16 PM

This is such a crock!! We run PA pass/Rollouts/or put the back in the flat 90% of the time. I seriously doubt that it is better for the team to take an exsplosive HR threat out for a back that can block better for 2-3 plays

So you are of the opinion that shanny just doesn't think Bell is talented? He's keeping him off the field because he is just an idiot? That is the crock my friend.

Bronco Billy

10-09-2005, 09:22 PM

Both teams traded for what they needed. Washington a RB and Denver a solid corner. Denver made a great trade. They have a history of developing 1000 yard backs and felt they could repeat this - so Portis was expendable. We needed Bailey because the Colts kicked our @sses in Jan '04.

The Colts kicked our @sses again last year, but Bailey is a great corner and Ruben rushed for a 1000 yards last year. It is too early to tell who got the better deal, but it was a good trade for Denver.

Bronco Yoda

10-09-2005, 09:28 PM

Bell still has to not only prove he can block but get some tough yards up the gut and move the pile on short yardage. Portis was the same way early on too. Although Portis still cant PUSH the pile he's getting better at slithering in tight places. Bell reminds me a lot of Portis. Both fast explosive runners when given daylight.

Portis sure did put a lick on Al Wilson today. As a football fan I'm glad to see his improvement there. I want to see way more of this NEXT WEEK. :GIGGLE

bloodsunday

10-10-2005, 07:09 AM

Portis TD yardage in Denver:

2002 -

1, 2, 1, 4, 1, 11, 9, 43, 8, 51, 3, 1, 2, 4, 12

2003 -

2, 8, 65, 4, 15, 1, 1, 11, 1, 59, 28, 53, 1, 13

So I was wrong. Is Portis getting the ball in the redzone?
Portis got ahead of himself and thought the offense needed him for than the other way around. He didn't realize how well the Denver O suited his skills. Tatum Bell reminded him of that yesterday.

Washtington just doesn't utilize his speed and cut ability the way Denver did.

NaptownChief

10-10-2005, 07:19 AM

You guys did...it was extremely dumb for us to give you guys a second rounder. If it was Portis for Champ straight up i would call it even because both positions were needed.

It would have been more reasonable but still not close to even. Good CB's are tough to come by, good RB's aren't so tough....And it could be argued that Portis may not even be a "good" RB. So far he looks like nothing more than a speed guy that was fortunate to play in a system that has made every Tom, Dick and Orlandis look really good. Portis' numbers(3.8 per carry) so far in Washington are worse than Trung Candidate(4.2) who is out of football.

Incredibly stupid trade where the Donks absolutely fleeced the Skins. By the way I am on record with that opinion without the benefit of hindsite.