Denver tied for third in turnovers to date [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Taco John

10-05-2005, 01:45 AM

In 2004, the Broncos defense was a bottom ten defense in the turnover category with a total of 20 total turnovers, accounted by 12 interceptions and 8 fumbles.

In 2003, it was much the same story: A bottom ten defense in stealing the ball away from the opposing offense. Again, we had 20 turnovers, accounted by 9 interceptions and 11 fumbles.

The year before that, 2002, was not much better. A grand total of 22 turnovers, accounted by 9 interceptions and 13 fumbles.

That's a far cry from the 2001 defense that Denver had, in which the defense was the 6th in the league in producing turnovers with a grand total of 37, accounted by 22 interceptions and 15 fumbles!

Happy days are here again, my friends. Denver is currently tied for third in turnover differential. We currently have 10 turnovers, accounted by 4 interceptions and 6 fumbles. There are only two teams who have produced more turnovers than Denver has to date.

Cincinnati: 17 turnovers (12 ints, 5 fumbles)
New York Giants: 13 Turnovers (8 ints, 5 fumbles)
Philadelphia: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)
Denver: 10 Turnovers (4 ints, 6 fumbles)
Tampa Bay: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)

BroncoBuff

10-05-2005, 01:51 AM

Happy days are here again, my friends. Denver is currently tied for third in turnover differential. We currently have 10 turnovers, accounted by 4 interceptions and 6 fumbles. There are only two teams who have produced more turnovers than Denver has to date.

Cincinnati: 17 turnovers (12 ints, 5 fumbles)
New York Giants: 13 Turnovers (8 ints, 5 fumbles)
Philadelphia: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)
Denver: 10 Turnovers (4 ints, 6 fumbles)
Tampa Bay: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)
BRAVO! It's always seemed to me that TO's are contagious - like the Orange Crush years.

Boomer Esiason said (for whatever he's worth) that in a given game, winning the TO battle is more important than any single of the game's 3 phases.

Odysseus

10-05-2005, 02:50 AM

There seems to be a heck of a differnce betwennn the guys on the top and the guys "in the pack".

fontaine

10-05-2005, 03:31 AM

Odysseus

10-05-2005, 03:35 AM

Turnovers are addictive. Once a couple of guys start getting them everyone thinks they are ballhawks. The big trick is keeping them focused on fundementals first THEN going after the pick.

It's kind of like Lenny Walls wanting accolades and he hasn't done anything yet.

OrangeShadow

10-05-2005, 04:23 AM

Thats definatley encouraging

BroncoBuff

10-05-2005, 05:03 AM

I was a skeptic prior to the season. I remember thinking how naive it was to expect a lot of ints when Champ rarely gets thrown to and Walls/Fergy/Lynch aren't ballhawks while the young guys will struggle more than succeed.

Boy, I was dead wrong. It seems our aggressive front 7 is directly causing those turnovers and our LBs are forcing fumbles. The play of Fox, and Dwill has been a real surprise and if our front 7 and especially our DL can continue on this warpath then good things will happen.
Isn't it amazing that, after the ENORMOUS D.J. Williams rookie season, and re-signing of Ian Gold - that the LB Corps is getting the LEAST INK of the 3 defensive units? And I'm expecting that when Patrick Chukwurah is healthy - his speed-rush from the edge is gonna wreak havoc on opposing QBs - especially with all our interior linemen double-teamed! You can't double Gerard, Courtney AND Trevor.

I'm honestly thinking - if D-Will (I call him "Dee-Dub." It's a thing we have. :homer: ) and Foxworth are for real - we might actually have the best defense in the entire NFL!

bloodsunday

10-05-2005, 05:59 AM

I believe we are tied for 4th at +5 in TO margin: The most encouraging stat of the season, no doubt about it. If this keeps up, then we'll be there at the end. It likely means that our pass rush will continue to be impressive and that Jake will be "efficient", both of which are a recipe for success.

I think we should aim for somewhere between +15 and +20 at season's end.

Rohirrim

10-05-2005, 06:06 AM

I'm honestly thinking - if D-Will (I call him "Dee-Dub." It's a thing we have. :homer: ) and Foxworth are for real - we might actually have the best defense in the entire NFL!

Shhhhhhh!

Broncoman13

10-05-2005, 06:58 AM

No suprise to me... I've done my part in "willing" this to happen. Nobody to question the move to OSKIE. It works!!!

DarkHorse30

10-05-2005, 07:48 AM

Cincinnati: 17 turnovers (12 ints, 5 fumbles)
New York Giants: 13 Turnovers (8 ints, 5 fumbles)
Philadelphia: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)
Denver: 10 Turnovers (4 ints, 6 fumbles)
Tampa Bay: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)

More turnovers means more wins. You look at Cincy and Tampa...neither of those teams would be undefeated without the turnover edge.

Odysseus

10-05-2005, 08:05 AM

No suprise to me... I've done my part in "willing" this to happen. Nobody to question the move to OSKIE. It works!!!

:laugh: Yup-yup! I'm right there with ya!

bengalsown

10-05-2005, 08:15 AM

More turnovers means more wins. You look at Cincy and Tampa...neither of those teams would be undefeated without the turnover edge.

Why not? It's not like the Bengals have a struggling offense...

Good job turning the Cleveland trash into gold, btw :D

Broncoman13

10-05-2005, 08:42 AM

Does anybody question the power of Oskie Score now? This is slowly and quietly becoming a bit of a tradition! I like it!

Broncoman13

10-05-2005, 08:49 AM

This is what it's all about!

General Robert Neyland's 7 Maxims of Football
1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win. (Jake doing his job, DL doing theirs to force our opponents into misktakes!)

2. Play for and make the breaks and when one comes your way - SCORE. (We can still get better here. Turnovers are the breaks. We need to turn ALL TO's into points.)

3. If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam. (SD game a perfect example of this! Elam's missed FG's another example. We've done well in not letting up!)

4. Protect our kickers, our QB, our lead and our ball game. (ST's, OL, Defensive scheme all playing a big part in this.)

5. Ball, OSKIE, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE. (One sentence summing up Bronco football over the past three weeks. Let's keep this going!!!)

6. Press the kicking game. Here is where the breaks are made. (Haven't seen this since Ian played a big role on ST's. A blocked punt IS a game changer...but then again, so is a returned punt!)

7. Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes. (We carried it to the Chefs for 58 minutes. Then followed that up by taking it to the Jags for the full 60. Bah-da-bah-bah-buh...I'm lovin it!)

Spider

10-05-2005, 08:50 AM

No suprise to me... I've done my part in "willing" this to happen. Nobody to question the move to OSKIE. It works!!!
Rep for the OSKIE TREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!

broncosteven

10-05-2005, 09:05 AM

Anyone total the points we have off those turnovers? Getting turnovers are great as long as we get some points & don't just go 3 & out or miss a FG attempt.

Broncoman13

10-05-2005, 09:45 AM

Anyone total the points we have off those turnovers? Getting turnovers are great as long as we get some points & don't just go 3 & out or miss a FG attempt.

Turnovers are good whether you score or not...but as you said, scoring points is the more important end result.

With a dominate defense that we've seen in the last 10 quarters of ball, a turnover almost ensures the other team will have a long field to travel. This plays a very important role in the FP game. The Ravens were masters of this a few years ago. Great punter, dominate defense, and a good run game. The FP game is proven...not real fun to watch, but effective none-the-less.

I think this week's Karma thread will be titled Oskie Score. Turn some turnovers into points vs the Skins and we'll be in a very good position to win!

Taco John

10-05-2005, 09:56 AM

BigPlayShay

10-05-2005, 10:06 AM

And of the 3 Bronco teams that have gone to the playoffs since the 98 season, that 2001 team was by far the best even though they all suffered the same fate of losing on the road in a WildCard game.

Holy cow, this Defense is on pace for 40 turnovers. Certainly hope that this trend continues. As the old saying goes, Offense wins games, Defense wins Championships.

Like what has already been said, TO's help in not only giving the offense a shorter field at times, but also helps in winning the field postion battle. Couple that with an above average Special Teams unit, it can only result in positive outcomes.

ludo21

10-05-2005, 10:07 AM

Turnovers are good whether you score or not...but as you said, scoring points is the more important end result.

With a dominate defense that we've seen in the last 10 quarters of ball, a turnover almost ensures the other team will have a long field to travel. This plays a very important role in the FP game. The Ravens were masters of this a few years ago. Great punter, dominate defense, and a good run game. The FP game is proven...not real fun to watch, but effective none-the-less.

I think this week's Karma thread will be titled Oskie Score. Turn some turnovers into points vs the Skins and we'll be in a very good position to win!

OSKIE can not be denied no doubt!!

Rep :Broncos:

24champ

10-05-2005, 11:14 AM

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OSKIE POWER!

Kaylore

10-05-2005, 11:16 AM

Cincinnati: 17 turnovers (12 ints, 5 fumbles)
New York Giants: 13 Turnovers (8 ints, 5 fumbles)
Philadelphia: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)
Denver: 10 Turnovers (4 ints, 6 fumbles)
Tampa Bay: 10 Turnovers (6 ints, 4 fumbles)
Those are all teams with winning records against tough opponents. I think that tells you something right there.

24champ

10-05-2005, 11:18 AM

Those are all teams with winning records against tough opponents. I think that tells you something right there.
who did cinci play that was tough? Ha!

Ratboy

10-05-2005, 11:21 AM

who did cinci play that was tough? Ha!

Houston. Hilarious!

broncosteven

10-05-2005, 11:36 AM

Indeed... I don't have the scores from turnovers stat handy, but that's just an added benefit. Besides scoring, a turnover forces the other team to have to travel the long field, making it more difficult on their offense.

How many points off turnovers did we have in Miami? Miami converted when we turned it over but we had 3 with like 3 points to show plus we gave ball right back. Don't get me wrong I love turnovers I just think we need to get something to show for them especially if we give up turnovers & other team scores.

Broncoman13

10-05-2005, 11:45 AM

who did cinci play that was tough? Ha!

Who did TB play that was tough?

Who did the Giants beat that was tough?

There are more than a few posers in the league right now. TB, Wash, and Cincy are tops on that list.

Cincy earns my respect this weekend with a good game @ the Jags.

Wash earns my respect with a good game against us.

TB continues to play cupcakes!!!

Bronx33

10-05-2005, 11:47 AM

Any number on how many points we have gotten off of turnovers?

Bronx33

10-05-2005, 11:48 AM

http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/rpeled/power%20rangers%20picture.jpeg

OSKIE POWER!

OSKIE!!! my new favorite word FYI.

Popps

10-05-2005, 11:51 AM

Odysseus

10-05-2005, 12:16 PM

Props to our D for stepping it up. We've been waiting a long time for this.

We also shouldn't forget the offense, which has only turned the ball over 6 times.... none in the last two games, if I'm not mistaken?

This is the kind of game where we really get see what this team is made of. It's not a hated rival or and an AFC team. It's just an NFC team that a lot of people are surprised to see playing well. I hope the offense continues to hold the ball and the defense gets a couple of picks.

:blowhorn: OSKIE! OSKIE SCORE! :blowhorn:

BroncoBuff

10-06-2005, 02:10 AM

Any number on how many points we have gotten off of turnovers?
Now THAT'S a good question. A bunch of turnovers are great - but it's a lot like getting five girl's phone numbers at the singles bar.

If nobody answers when you call - what good were they in the first place?

Best.macho.$hithead.analogy.ever.

Atlas

10-06-2005, 04:36 AM

Now THAT'S a good question. A bunch of turnovers are great - but it's a lot like getting five girl's phone numbers at the singles bar.

If nobody answers when you call - what good were they in the first place?

Best.macho.$hithead.analogy.ever.

Not necessarily. Getting turnovers are drive stoppers. So even if you don't get points they are still valuable. I do agree however usually you can get a lot of EASY points if the D gives you good field position from a turnover.

OrangeShadow

10-06-2005, 05:23 AM

Who did TB play that was tough?

Who did the Giants beat that was tough?

There are more than a few posers in the league right now. TB, Wash, and Cincy are tops on that list.

Cincy earns my respect this weekend with a good game @ the Jags.

Wash earns my respect with a good game against us.

TB continues to play cupcakes!!!
In their defense, Their schedule should be easy becasue no one expected them to be any good. Maybe Cincy should have it tougher but NY,TB,Wash. no one expected them to be any good

Odysseus

10-06-2005, 05:33 AM

Turnovers drive up the time of possession.

Even if your offense goes three and out it takes time off the clock.

If you have a killer punter even if your offense sucks you have great field position. If you have a great punt returner and the defense shuts them down you again have great field position.

A turnover in a game with 5 minutes left to go could easily mean the game is over. All the offense has to do is protect the ball and make a first down. That's it.

I hope Special Teams continues to improve. There were some question marks regarding our kicking game. Let's see how it works out.

OSKIE SCORE! OSKIE! OSKIE! OSKIE!

DarkHorse30

10-06-2005, 07:32 AM

Why not? It's not like the Bengals have a struggling offense...

Sure, but look at who you've played... nearly nobody. Without any picks, you barely beat Houston at home...by a coupla fieldgoals. A fumble recovery led to one of those figgies. Come on, Houston is the worst team in football, on nearly every ranking list. An ugly win is still a win, but I would have expected more from a possible playoff contender. Marvin Lewis is a good coach, but maybe we'll wait till this week to see if Cincy can beat a quality team.

BTW, IMO you've got a coupla good corners...I wish we still had James, but Deltha was on the S-list around Denver because he rarely contributed.