Gas prices here are BS

[~Crash~]

I was thinking the other day(and yes that can be dangerous)about why the Gas prices are the way they are and I concluded the Chinese economy is growing because of us they have cheap products(slave labor) that we are buying ...well the next time you buy something if it is cheaper(and made in China) ask your self if it is worth $3 for a gallon gas to spend .25 less for that something made in china .If you want gas to go down the demand needs to go down the Chinese economy is booming because we are buying to much of there product (that is killing our jobs here and moving our Factories ). also I hate there king or what ever his status is telling us that we need to get our affaires in order that we owe them way to much money. 4321~

I had to look for 3 week to find a electric shaver that was not made in china but I found it .the point is simple Do not buy chinese and watch the gas prices fall .

[Mtbrncofn]

I think gas prices everywhere are BS, but I've found that all my bitching and moaning about it does nothing. ( If it did, our gas would be dirt cheap by now. :) )

Did anyone else ever catch that little fact that was bandied about when Rita was getting ready to hit? The one about how for gas to be $3 a gallon, oil would have to be $90 a barrel. Hmmm, just doesn't add up does it? Think back about how long we have been taking it in the ass if that is true.

[Hogan11]

It finally went down a whopping 2 cents today here.....it's now $3.07 a gallon.

[~Crash~]

thing is when we are at the store and you look at the prices say to your self if I buy this cheaper made thing from china . is it worth it ($3 a gallon gas)to buy something cheap then turn around and pay for high gass to help suport the chinese to a super power !!! I got this stuf below from a investment group it tells of what is about to happen if this a comes to pass I would bet $10 a gallon will be cheap gas !! they are talking years not decades.


There's no real mystery to what's taking place. After roughly 4 decades of Communism, China has woken up. Now, the country has a practically endless supply of low-cost laborers -- literally tens of millions of people who will do assembly-line and manufacturing work seven days a week, 14 hours a day, for les than $100 per month.

China's boom is no secret. But there's something else going on in China that most people don't know about... and herein lies our opportunity...


That's why practically every major company in the world is moving some aspect of their business to China...

China now makes about 60% of the world's cell phones, half of the world's shoes, and most of the world's video games and television sets. China now makes 80% of the kids' toys sold in the United States... and every major U.S. furniture manufacturer now has a factory in China.

Plus, China now makes some of the world's most luxurious goods. BMW assembles many of its latest car models there - Mercedes and Cadillac are preparing to do the same.

This huge manufacturing base has made China the fastest-growing major economy in the world... by a long shot. In fact, China's economy will overtake Germany's in the next four years... Japan's in the next 11 years... and the U.S. economy by 2039, according to a recent report by the Wall Street investment firm Goldman Sachs.

What most people aren't aware of is what's happening behind the scenes of China's manufacturing boom.

You see, to feed this mammoth manufacturing base, Chinese businesses and the Chinese government are going on a building and construction boom, the likes of which have never been
seen before, anywhere in the world.

Take the country's highway system for example...

In 1989, China had tons of bicycles -- but only about 170 miles of highways. By the end of 2003, as Forbes recently reported, the country had 18,500 miles of expressways.

To build all these roads, the Chinese Government spent $42 billion. And they're only getting started.

According to the China's Ministry of Communications, the plan is to reach 51,000 miles of highway by 2008 (that would top the United States' 46,500 miles of interstates in place
right now).

The Chinese are laying down roads so fast they used 55% of the world's cement last year. That's incredible when you think about it. Remember, this is a country that's slightly smaller than the United States... and they are using more than HALF of the world's cement!

It doesn't matter what it costs... the Chinese government is committed to putting down roads, just like the United States started doing back in 1956, when Congress passed the Federal Highway Act.

And highways are only the beginning of the building boom...

As Barron's reported recently: "China's government is [undergoing]... a massive upgrading of the nation's infrastructure. It's in the middle of expanding and electrifying its railways, irrigating the north with water from the Yangtze River, and doing a construction for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. It's also undertaking several major energy projects, including a 3,900-kilometer gas pipeline."

The list of infrastructure China needs is amazing. For example, right now the country has about 1/3rd as many railways as we have in the United States... and about 1/15th as many airports. But China has more than 4-TIMES as many people.

The Chinese government announced last September that they need to build 27 new nuclear power plants between now and 2020, which will cost tens of billions of U.S. dollars. And they've also begun to expand the country's rail lines. They just finished the world's fastest train, from Shanghai to the city's airport.

In other words, China needs more railroads, airports, roads, bridges, buildings, parking lots, phone lines, electrical lines, tunnels, power plants, etc. And the Chinese government is looking to build all of these things... and fast.

Plus, I haven't even mentioned what's going on in the private sector. Almost every major company in the world -- from Dell to Intel... from Boeing to GM, now has a factory in China.

Last year, foreign businesses poured $52 billion dollars into China, much of it to build new factories and manufacturing centers. The country has 300 car manufacturing plants alone.

To keep up with all of this new construction, China needs raw goods (oil, electricity, lumber, concrete, copper, and steel, just to name a few), faster than they can get them. The Chinese are so desperate for raw materials that thieves stole 4,740 metal manhole covers in Shanghai in recent weeks.

And they are sucking up the world's supply at a record pace... I mentioned how China used more than half the world's cement last year... they also used 40% of the world's steel, according to Barron's.


China uses 30% of all the coal that's consumed in the world... and the country's oil demand has soared more than 400% in the last decade.


China consumes 20% of the world's copper and 19% of the world's aluminum, according to a recent report in The Wall Street Journal.


In fact, the Chinese are so desperate for raw materials that thieves stole 4,740 metal manhole covers in Shanghai in recent weeks. The local water bureau even keeps a tally on its website.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I was thinking the other day(and yes that can be dangerous)about why the Gas prices are the way they are and I concluded the Chinese economy is growing because of us they have cheap products(slave labor) that we are buying ...well the next time you buy something if it is cheaper(and made in China) ask your self if it is worth $3 for a gallon gas to spend .25 less for that something made in china .If you want gas to go down the demand needs to go down the Chinese economy is booming because we are buying to much of there product (that is killing our jobs here and moving our Factories ). also I hate there king or what ever his status is telling us that we need to get our affaires in order that we owe them way to much money. 4321~

I had to look for 3 week to find a electric shaver that was not made in china but I found it .the point is simple Do not buy chinese and watch the gas prices fall .

Good post.

In addition to everything you said about gas prices, I have to say I miss the superior quality of many American-made goods.

Little things like Levis 501s, towels, etc.

Oh well, I guess these things are never coming back, so we're just going to have to get used to it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Did anyone else ever catch that little fact that was bandied about when Rita was getting ready to hit? The one about how for gas to be $3 a gallon, oil would have to be $90 a barrel. Hmmm, just doesn't add up does it? Think back about how long we have been taking it in the ass if that is true.

Notice how when the stock price goes up, prices at the pump go up immediately, but when the stock price goes down, it takes weeks for the price at the pump to go down?

Price gouging, plain and simple.

[Hogan11]

It's a banner day here in Western NY state....it finally got below $3.00 to $2.99 ::)

[Rascal]

Let's see I saw prices ranging from 2.98 to 2.48 for the cheap stuff on the way to work today (according to their sign anyway).

[Mile High Shack]

soon the prices will jump up as the "concern over heating oil" bs will take effect

energy traders are making so much money right now it's stupid

speculation is going to kill this economy

word is that an energy analyst/trader said they were making so much money due to katrina that they won't have to work the rest of the year

[Hogan11]

soon the prices will jump up as the "concern over heating oil" bs will take effect

energy traders are making so much money right now it's stupid

speculation is going to kill this economy

word is that an energy analyst/trader said they were making so much money due to katrina that they won't have to work the rest of the year

We're just in the wrong business I guess....

You're right though...the "heating oil" panic is on the horizon....not too mention the annual boost in pump prices due to winter time additives.

I hope the winter is extremely mild so these creeps won't get another winfall.

[Rascal]

I need to change jobs.

[ak1971]

I need to change jobs.


just start gobbling up oil, and natural gas options...been doing it for the past year and now I am able to afford to put gas in my car

[Mtbrncofn]

word is that an energy analyst/trader said they were making so much money due to katrina that they won't have to work the rest of the year


That is just sick.

[Mile High Shack]

That is just sick.

it goes to show you, the price run up was not based on supply and demand (which I don't mind if it's true supply and demand) but based soley on greed and taking advantage of a bad situation

[Mtbrncofn]

Yeah, that just makes me happier to hear that. Assholes!

[Rascal]

just start gobbling up oil, and natural gas options...been doing it for the past year and now I am able to afford to put gas in my car

any tips?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is what happens when you put two oil men in the WH and invite oil companies to write their own legislation:

FTCR: Internal Memos Show Oil Companies Intentionally Limited Refining Capacity to Drive Up Gasoline Prices

9/7/2005 9:00:00 AM

To: National Desk

Contact: Jamie Court, 310-392-0522 ext 327; Tim Hamilton, 360- 495-4941, both of the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights; Web: http://www.consumerwatchdog.org

SANTA MONICA, Calif., Sept. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR) today exposed internal oil company memos that show how the industry intentionally reduced domestic refining capacity to drive up profits. The exposure comes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina as the oil industry blames environmental regulation for limiting number of U.S. refineries.

The three internal memos from Mobil, Chevron, and Texaco (available at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/ show different ways the oil giants closed down refining capacity and drove independent refiners out of business. The confidential memos demonstrate a nationwide effort by American Petroleum Institute, the lobbying and research arm of the oil industry, to encourage the major refiners to close their refineries in the mid-1990s in order to raise the price at the pump.

"Large oil companies have for a decade artificially shorted the gasoline market to drive up prices," said FTCR president Jamie Court, who successfully fought to keep Shell Oil from needlessly closing its Bakersfield, California refinery this year. "Oil companies know they can make more money by making less gasoline. Katrina should be a wakeup call to America that the refiners profit widely when they keep the system running on empty."

"It's now obvious to most Americans that we have a refinery shortage," said petroleum consultant Tim Hamilton, who authored a recent report about oil company price gouging for FTCR. (Read the report at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/rp/ ) "To point to the environmental laws as the cause simply misses the fact that it was the major oil companies, not the environmental groups, that used the regulatory process to create artificial shortages and limit competition."

The memos from Mobil, Chevron and Texaco show the following.

-- An internal 1996 memorandum from Mobil demonstrates the oil company's successful strategies to keep smaller refiner Powerine from reopening its California refinery. The document makes it clear that much of the hardships created by California's regulations governing refineries came at the urging of the major oil companies and not the environmental organizations blamed by the industry. The other alternative plan discussed in the event Powerine did open the refinery was "....buying all their avails and marketing it ourselves" to insure the lower price fuel didn't get into the market. Read the Mobil memo at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/5105.pdf

-- An internal Chevron memo states; "A senior energy analyst at the recent API convention warned that if the US petroleum industry doesn't reduce its refining capacity it will never see any substantial increase in refinery margins." It then discussed how major refiners were closing down their refineries. Read the Chevron memo at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/5103.pdf

-- The Texaco memo disclosed how the industry believed in the mid-1990s that "the most critical factor facing the refining industry on the West Coast is the surplus of refining capacity, and the surplus gasoline production capacity. (The same situation exists for the entire U.S. refining industry.) Supply significantly exceeds demand year-round. This results in very poor refinery margins and very poor refinery financial results. Significant events need to occur to assist in reducing supplies and/or increasing the demand for gasoline. One example of a significant event would be the elimination of mandates for oxygenate addition to gasoline. Given a choice, oxygenate usage would go down, and gasoline supplies would go down accordingly. (Much effort is being exerted to see this happen in the Pacific Northwest.)" As a result of such pressure, Washington State eliminated the ethanol mandate - requiring greater quantities of refined supply to fill the gasoline volume occupied by ethanol. Read the Texaco memo at http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/5104.pdf

FTCR is nonprofit, nonpartisan consumer group. For more information visit, http://www.consumerwatchdog.org .

http://www.usnewswire.com/

[ak1971]

any tips?


talk to slug...I like CHK and VLO

[Rascal]

You still like VLO even though it's trading around 110?

[Spider]

I bought Diesel @ 3.05 Per GALLON @ exit 139 off of I40 in New mexico Yesterday ........

[Rascal]

There was a price war here in the OKC area yesterday...don't know if it is still going on.

Saw prices drop all the way to $2.15 a gallon.

[Spider]

There was a price war here in the OKC area yesterday...don't know if it is still going on.

Saw prices drop all the way to $2.15 a gallon.
;D looks like I should have taken a load to Okie land

[~Crash~]

Good post.

In addition to everything you said about gas prices, I have to say I miss the superior quality of many American-made goods.

Little things like Levis 501s, towels, etc.

Oh well, I guess these things are never coming back, so we're just going to have to get used to it.

Why is that the japanes though they had our # they did not . I will not buy made in china period . I sugest everyone think before they do ! you need to ask is $10 a gallon for gas worth it to save $.50 on a hammer or should I pay more for one made here in america . I agree it will be hard for you to find some things like cloths but look hard and try I am not buying nothing made in china . other countrys are getting my busness before china .

[~Crash~]

There was a price war here in the OKC area yesterday...don't know if it is still going on.

Saw prices drop all the way to $2.15 a gallon.

lol OKC is 250 miles away darn ...pretty bad when you think 2.15 is cheep!!!!!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why is that the japanes though they had our # they did not . I will not buy made in china period . I sugest everyone think before they do ! you need to ask is $10 a gallon for gas worth it to save $.50 on a hammer or should I pay more for one made here in america . I agree it will be hard for you to find some things like cloths but look hard and try I am not buying nothing made in china . other countrys are getting my busness before china .

I'm with ya!

:thumbsup:

I try to do as much business as possible with small, local businesses.

This is one way to "stop feeding the tapeworm" as it were.

[Sassy]

It's 2.59 here.

[Blueflame]

It's 2.59 here.

It's 2.91 here... for the lowest octane stuff. :(

[GreatBronco16]

You guys aren't gonna believe this. My brother called me up from Wilmington N.C yesterday. Him and some friends stop at a gas station to get some gas, well one of the pumps was messed up and it was serving up 93 octane gas at .37 cents a gallon. Needless to say that they all filled up, then one of them went to the store and bought a bunch of 5 gallon jugs. They ended buying about 100 gallons of gas just in the jugs for roughly 37 dollars. Well, I'm still pissed at him for it. rofl

[GreatBronco16]

BTW, here gas is at 2.80 now for the low grade. It went up over 3 bucks for race weekend at Talladega this past weekend. I didn't buy any during that time though, but not like I hurt them.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You guys aren't gonna believe this. My brother called me up from Wilmington N.C yesterday. Him and some friends stop at a gas station to get some gas, well one of the pumps was messed up and it was serving up 93 octane gas at .37 cents a gallon. Needless to say that they all filled up, then one of them went to the store and bought a bunch of 5 gallon jugs. They ended buying about 100 gallons of gas just in the jugs for roughly 37 dollars. Well, I'm still pissed at him for it. rofl

I heard about that on TV.

A costly screwup for somebody, no doubt.

[Rascal]

Sad thing about that story is that the owners of the station are going to take the hit and not the oil company (unless somehow they can prove it was their fault but good luck with that). I don't know about you but I've seen several gas stations close down recently. Not sure why though.

[GreatBronco16]

Sad thing about that story is that the owners of the station are going to take the hit and not the oil company (unless somehow they can prove it was their fault but good luck with that). I don't know about you but I've seen several gas stations close down recently. Not sure why though.


That is true but it also depends on what the cost was that they bought the fuel at from their supplier. Sure they are gonna take a hit, I just wish I would have been there for it. Thing is, I believe it was a major Station, not a family owned one or anything like that. I'll have to ask him, but it was either a BP, or Exxon. I'll ask him next time I talk to him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's 2.91 here... for the lowest octane stuff. :(

I shudder to think about where prices will be when the supplies of refined products loaned out to us from the IEA reserves following Katrina run out.

http://www.bartcop.com/resent-wrapped.gif

[Rascal]

refined products from the IEA reserves?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

refined products from the IEA reserves?

Yep.

IEA emergency reserves set to counter Hurricane Rita impact

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=3&article_id=18720

http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/050927/bennett.jpg

[Champ? More like CHUMP!]

It finally went down a whopping 2 cents today here.....it's now $3.07 a gallon.

In some spots, we're under 3 here in NJ.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/new-build.jpg

[Sassy]

$2.41 now.

[~Crash~]

thing is guys things will probaly settel down but you need to look at it over years not weeks ...

China is going to build from 17,000 miles of free way to 170,000 miles of free way in four years we have 170,000 miles of free way we started 45 years ago to build what we have today ! that is scary in 4 years what will be the demand be for gas with 3/4 more the demand that there is today ? $10 a gallon might be cheap!

just say no to cheap products from[B]china and keep your freedom to go places and do things !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mtbrncofn]

You're freaking me out here, Crash.

[Sassy]

Gas is 2.26 here at the moment...So, why is it that Sean Hannity says that we have enough oil in the states of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and that we don't need any oil from Saudia Arabia?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So, why is it that Sean Hannity says that we have enough oil in the states of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and that we don't need any oil from Saudia Arabia?

Because Sean Insannity is a high school dropout and a clueless moron.

[~Crash~]

You're freaking me out here, Crash.


well good because after reading whats going on in china I was saying holy crap !!!!!!!!!

[~Crash~]

Utah was sapose to have Coal that is low in sulfer (good for envirement)but I thought clinton stoped most of that with the new fedral park he put into place for some former actor... then the other day I hear something of huge amouts of oil under utah something to the effect that there was as much or than Saudia Arabia . I cannot remimber were I seen this but facts are facts we buit the monser (china) we can tear the monster down ...simply buy made any were but china !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a county like japan cannot use any more fule that what it alread does .

[Mtbrncofn]

Gas is 2.26 here at the moment...So, why is it that Sean Hannity says that we have enough oil in the states of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and that we don't need any oil from Saudia Arabia?

Dang! 2.26?! Our cheapest is 2.69 right now. The bastards.

[OrangeShadow]

goin down here toa bout 2.50

[watermock]

It's relaxed to 2.46 for the ethanol blend which I have used with no problems for years...

It should be around 2 dollars...that 3 dollar spike was a total billion dollar ripoff.

[Sassy]

Interesting...It's 2.19 here...and I get 5 cents off a gallon with a reward card.

[Sassy]

USA Today had an article talking about gas prices today and they were saying that they should be down to $2 or less this weekend...so I'm waiting to fill up...although in the midwest we have some of the lowest gas prices in the country.

[Mtbrncofn]

Sass, you need to quit posting your gas prices. I may need to be institutionalized soon. ;)

Cheapest around here is $2.59 right now.

[Sassy]

Sass, you need to quit posting your gas prices. I may need to be institutionalized soon. ;)

Cheapest around here is $2.59 right now.
That's not too bad...just ask Hogan ;D

[GreatBronco16]

It's down to $2.51 here is most places in Bama. It's been dropping 1-2 cents every day. But diesel is up to $3.59. I just don't get it.

[Mtbrncofn]

Holy crap and I thought our diesel was bad. I think ours is 3.23.

[Hogan11]

Sass, you need to quit posting your gas prices. I may need to be institutionalized soon. ;)

Cheapest around here is $2.59 right now.

You should be so lucky...cheapest around my area is $2.79

F'n Bastids!!!!!

[Sideburn]

Filled up yesterday at $2.01.

[SoCalBronco]

3.07, down from 3.17.

[Mile High Shack]

Filled up yesterday at $2.01.
where in the hell did you get it for 2.01?

in yukon

oh point of fact kiddies

oil companies have just reported record profits...once again

but it's all supply and demand...right?

[Sideburn]

where in the hell did you get it for 2.01?

in yukon

oh point of fact kiddies

oil companies have just reported record profits...once again

but it's all supply and demand...right?
The Flying J truck stop on Morgan and I-40 had it at $2.01. It's $2.03 now though.

Also, on the record profits. If you didn't see that coming then I'm sorry. Naturally when the price of something is higher...by alot, than it was a few months earlier, the revenue for that will also be higher. The companies have their supply in which they dole out to their little stations and what not. The Hurricanes only hurt a certain areas supply (midwest and southeast), yet they raised prices at all stations across the board. That's where the profits jumped. They'll get away with it, and as usual we will bend over for it. They demanded our ass for raping, and we supplied it. See, supply and demand.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They'll get away with it, and as usual we will bend over for it. They demanded our ass for raping, and we supplied it. See, supply and demand.

Don't blame me - I voted not to put Big Oil in the WH. :)

[ak1971]

Don't blame me - I voted not to put Big Oil in the WH. :)


better get more gigs...2008 is coming soon and you wont have a life after hes out of office

[Mile High Shack]

The Flying J truck stop on Morgan and I-40 had it at $2.01. It's $2.03 now though.

Also, on the record profits. If you didn't see that coming then I'm sorry. Naturally when the price of something is higher...by alot, than it was a few months earlier, the revenue for that will also be higher. The companies have their supply in which they dole out to their little stations and what not. The Hurricanes only hurt a certain areas supply (midwest and southeast), yet they raised prices at all stations across the board. That's where the profits jumped. They'll get away with it, and as usual we will bend over for it. They demanded our ass for raping, and we supplied it. See, supply and demand.

I need to go to more truck stops...if they were only closer

oh I know supply was hurt a little, but not enough to justify it jumping up by over a 1.00 gallon in 2 days at one point

I just get irritated with the economists saying, well, it's supply and demand

but there is such a thing as gouging, all I can say is, I hate to wish for people to lose their jobs and such, but there is going to come a day soon, just like the mid 80's where the oil boom busts and we'll have it like we did in the mid 80's.

[Hogan11]

Down to $2.75 here now.

[Arkie]

Down to $2.15 here. I remember earlier this year when I've never paid for gas over $2 a gallon.

The goal is to maximize profits. If companies are having record profits, that shows that the prices were set perfectly. As prices go up and demand goes down, there is a point where profits are at their highest before declining because the demand is just too low.

[~Crash~]

last I seen $2.35 here hope you are right sassy my busness is almost dead. people stoped buying dogs after the first hurricane

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

better get more gigs...2008 is coming soon and you wont have a life after hes out of office

Don't worry - at least you'll still have those monogrammed 'W' knee pads.

[Sassy]

I saw 2.13 today.

[Rock Chalk]

I filled up at 2.40 yesterday and that was down 30 cents from last week.

Further, I talked to the local terrorist and he said that his next shipment of gas had already been prepaid and it was going to be down to about 2.10.

So Im kinda stoked to get back to paying less than 30 bucks a fill up again.

Sure LABF, blame W for OPEC raising the prices, Katrina reducing our production in the gulf and the many other factors of gasoline costs. Our fearless president has all the control over the world's oil companies and what they sell it at.

Oh, that's right, you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about...as usual.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sure LABF, blame W for OPEC raising the prices, Katrina reducing our production in the gulf and the many other factors of gasoline costs.

:pity:

Your ability to process information and facts has been totally supplanted by right-wing spin, hasn't it?

Prices were already skyrocketing before Katrina, and there were already calls for investigations re: price gouging.

Proof that the major oil companies have been deliberately limiting refining capacity in order to drive up prices was recently made public.

(Links already posted page 1 of this thread.)

Our fearless president has all the control over the world's oil companies and what they sell it at.

As always, you have it bass-ackwards.

The correct assessment would be "the oil companies have control over your 'fearless' pResident."

Oh, that's right, you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about...as usual.

Oh, the irony.

:laugh:

[ak1971]

:pity:

Your ability to process information and facts has been totally supplanted by right-wing spin, hasn't it?

Prices were already skyrocketing before Katrina, and there were already calls for investigations re: price gouging.

Proof that the major oil companies have been deliberately limiting refining capacity in order to drive up prices was recently made public.

(Links already posted page 1 of this thread.)



As always, you have it bass-ackwards.

The correct assessment would be "the oil companies have control over your 'fearless' pResident."



Oh, the irony.

:laugh:

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/ak1971/686454744.jpg

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a8/Republican-koolaid.jpg

[Play2win]

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a8/Republican-koolaid.jpg
So what would you rather be a CRY-BABY or a KOOL-AID DRINKER?!?

Thoughts?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So what would you rather be a CRY-BABY or a KOOL-AID DRINKER?!?

Thoughts?

"Kool-Aid drinker" is an apt description when applied to people who are still in denial re: the truth about the bush misadministration.

"Crybaby" is a misnomer these same people attempt to apply to anyone who doesn't think America is well-served by a thoroughly corrupt and inept administration like the bush cabal.

[~Crash~]

Listen up why gas is were it is at has nothing to do about poltics... China is building in 4 years what it took us since the early 1960s to build in freeways if you think gas is high now get ready to pay $10.00 a gallon they build them freeways and fill them and you will be walking to work it's coming and real soon . if you have money to invest you could be stinking rich of this ...but I don't so I am not going to buy a thing from china and if you do not have money to invest in china I sugest you do not buy made in china! it is a big old wall that is about to come down on us and I sugest stop building that huge wall before it comes down on you...