Moss Refuses Drug Test, Charlie Rogers Suspended 4 Games

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Mort just reported Randy Moss refused a drug test (his attorney says the NFL has no right to order one).


Lions' Rogers to be suspended for substance abuse
Detroit Lions receiver Charles Rogers has been notified that he is being suspended for four games because he is in violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy, sources have told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

The suspension could be announced this week unless Rogers appeals, the sources said.

Under the policy, Rogers' suspension means he has had at least three positive tests of an illegal street drug. A fourth positive test will result in a minimum one-year suspension. Rogers was unavailable for comment, as was his agent.

Rogers was the Lions' first-round choice in 2003, the No. 2 overall player chosen in the NFL draft. That year, ESPN reported that Rogers was flagged by the NFL's medical advisor when he provided a diluted urine sample at the NFL Scouting Combine before the draft. The result placed Rogers in the substance abuse program, which made him subject to random testing.
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[Hotrod]

Usually refusing means an automatic positive result or admition of guilt right???

[shakenbake]

which Moss ?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

which Moss ?
I forgot Santana was still playing :) I fixed it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Usually refusing means an automatic positive result or admition of guilt right???
I don't know because his attorney is saying running your mouth doesn't constitute a reason for testing so this could get interesting.

[BMF Bronco]

I forgot Santana was still playing :) I fixed it.

There's gotta be something theNFL can do about it. :o

[elsid13]

Wonder how old al is liking that trade now.

[FADERPROOF]

Usually refusing means an automatic positive result or admition of guilt right???

Terry Glenn was suspended for 4 games during the Patriots 1st SB run back in 2001 for missing a drug test.

Didn't test positive, but wanted to stay with his kids instead of flying back up to Boston for the test, and the NFl took it as an admission of guilt and suspended him.

[Tredici]

Ummm... Randy is a member of the Player's Union, right? Then his attorney is full of chit.

Why would anyone refuse a drug test when they've signed a contract which stipulates random testing?

Why indeed. Whatever the reason, let the fun begin!

[SHANARAT]

Refusing to take a test should not be an admission of guilt, but if those are the NFL guidlines then so be it...He's an idiot for bringing up the weed in the 1st place...What did he think would happen as a result of his admission that he smokes weed? If he admitted that he takes steroids wouldn't he expect to be tested for it as a result of that admission?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Refusing to take a test should not be an admission of guilt, but if those are the NFL guidlines then so be it...He's an idiot for bringing up the weed in the 1st place...What did he think would happen as a result of his admission that he smokes weed? If he admitted that he takes steroids wouldn't he expect to be tested for it as a result of that admission?

Randy Moss...unintentional activist.

[Sodak]

YES! Let the implosion begin!

[theodnixon]

Can somebody please test Al Davis?

[gunns]

Can somebody please test Al Davis?

No piss, just grease.

[SHANARAT]

Can somebody please test Al Davis?


:~ohyah!:

[TexanBob]

I thought the suspension was only after a third incident (or an arrest) so it would mean that the player has had two other incidences. With Rogers, we know he tested positive at the draft combine - at least he was found to have a masking agent ("too much water") in his urine.

Speaking of regret, do you think the Lions wish they had taken Andre Johnson instead?

[Raider Bill]

Heres the rule

All players under contract with an NFL club will be tested once during the period beginning April 20 and continuing through August 9. Testing in the pre-season may be done on a team-wide basis or by position groups at the discretion of the Medical Advisor but not on an individual-by-individual basis. However, a player who is excused by the Medical Advisor from the scheduled team-wide or position's group Test may be tested individually but only if such Test takes place before the first regular season game absent a showing of extenuating circumstances. A player who is signed or otherwise acquired after the date of the pre-season Test that would have applied to him may be given the pre-season Test individually if such player has not already been given the preseason Test even though the Test will take place after August 9.
What that says is that players, now read carefully...Will be tested "Once"

Do you see that?

Good

So Moss pee's clean.. He knows the drill...

Now what will causes a player to be put in the intervention program?..

3 ways...

a. Positive Test. Urine or blood toxicology Tests that meet the concentration levels set forth in Article I, Section C.3.c.
They are referring to the once testing between April 20 to Aug 9th

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.
They are referring to being pulled over for a sack of weed, being busted.. convicterd dig?

c. Self-Referral. A player, who personally notifies the Medical Director of his desire to enter voluntarily Stage One of the Intervention Program prior to his being notified to provide a specimen leading to a Positive Test, or prior to behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, becoming known to the Medical Director from a source other than the player, shall be a participant in Stage One as a Self-Referred player

This means basically turning yourself in

Once in the intervention program it states..

And I'll quote stage 2, which is more harsh than stage one, basically a 2nd offense, stage 1 one lasts for 60 days.. or up to 6 months at the discretion of the Medical Advisor

But this is about as far as a player can go before he Druss's out

Now read very carefully

d. Completion of Stage Two: A player who completes Stage Two without being advanced to Stage Three will be afforded the same status as a player who had never by Behavior or a Positive Test been referred to the Intervention Stages.


"Will be afforded the same status as a player who had never been referred to the intervention program"




So in summary

If Randy Moss was indeed in stage two

If his 2 years in the intervention program has took its course

Randy Moss, now refer above if you're a little slow

Is only tested ONCE between April 20th and Aug 9th

If any player pees clean, they are not subject to the intervention program

Those are the rules set forth

All Moss has to do is pee clean between Aprl 20th and Aug 9th and quess what?

They cannot request another urine sample

Thats what it says


I think the legal argument lies in whether stating you smoke weed once in awhile in an interview falls under clause B above or clause c "self referell".

[Bronco_Beerslug]

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.
That's the kicker.

[DBroncos4life]

That's the kicker.


Going on record saying you smoke weed from time to time has to give the NFL a way in to testing after the dates. If misses time though my FF team is done.

[Atlas]

Can somebody please test Al Davis?

He was tested yesterday. The Dr. said yes he was still alive. They will test him again next week.

[Raider Bill]

which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

I'm no legal schollar, but you'd be stretching the definition of substance abuse to apply to someone who admittedly only smokes once in a "Blue Moon" IMO.

The players union is going fight this one... let's be honest, a lot of these guys are smoking weed once that training camp window closes.

[Dudeskey]

Usually refusing means an automatic positive result or admition of guilt right???

I would think so. The DOT treats refusal about the same way w/ truckers...™

[Rock Chalk]

I'm no legal schollar, but you'd be stretching the definition of substance abuse to apply to someone who admittedly only smokes once in a "Blue Moon" IMO.
I think so too, BUT, Im pretty certain in legalese that substance abuse means any use at all.

[Bronx33]

Going on record saying you smoke weed from time to time has to give the NFL a way in to testing after the dates. If misses time though my FF team is done.

Ditto.....

[Raider Bill]

I think so too, BUT, Im pretty certain in legalese that substance abuse means any use at all.


It's kind of a circular argument.

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser, but without that test there is no way to prove it.

IMO The players union will fight this tooth and nail because it will render that "behavior clause" moot and the league will be able to test whomever it wants at any time.

Who knows?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's kind of a circular argument.

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser, but without that test there is no way to prove it.

IMO The players union will fight this tooth and nail because it will render that "behavior clause" moot and the league will be able to test whomever it wants at any time.

Who knows?
If there is anyone who can set the Players Union back 20 years it's Moss.

[Rock Chalk]

It's kind of a circular argument.

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser, but without that test there is no way to prove it.

IMO The players union will fight this tooth and nail because it will render that "behavior clause" moot and the league will be able to test whomever it wants at any time.

Who knows?
Well, if they deem that behaviour means admitting to usage in a television interview in front of a national audience, then the Players Union has no leg to stand on.

WTF is this, one pee pee test all year? I thought the NFL was tough on drug usage. Thats not ****ing tough at all.

[Raider Bill]

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

Is saying that you occasionally smoke weed exhibiting a behavorial sign of substance abuse?

That's where the League's argument starts veering off course IMO. I'm no lawyer though..

Anyone here involved in litigation, or a legal student even?

[Rock Chalk]

Is saying that you occasionally smoke weed exhibiting a behavorial sign of substance abuse?

That's where the League's argument starts veering off course IMO. I'm no lawyer though..

Anyone here involved in litigation, or a legal student even?
Depends on who you are talking to njbil.

If you are on parole and you tell your PO that you occassionally smoke weed, I bet you get piss tested.

If you go on National TV and tell the nation that you occassionally smoke weed as a professional athlete with all the heat being put on the major sports organizations about drug use, i think that they might have a case.

JMO.

[DBroncos4life]

Hes not going to miss any games, he isn't refusing a test he doesn't think he should be put back in the drug program for what he said on HBO.

[Rock Chalk]

For the record, I dont see how smoking weed helps Randy Moss play or how it affects the game. I do understand it is illegal and if he gets caught should pay the modest fine associated with it (unless of course, he has a crapload) and probably a suspension, but I just dont understand the necessity to drug test for weed. Steroid test, performance enhancing substances, yes, but pothead tests seem a little over the top if you ask me. Don't ask, don't tell.

now if you are stupid enough to admit it on national TV, you should probably be tested just on general principle. The NFL does have an image to hold up and the guy admitted to using an illegal substance (nevermind that it is being classified illegal, illegally thats a whole other topic), they pretty much were forced into it.

[-Slap-]

If there is anyone who can set the Players Union back 20 years it's Moss.
Well, the other players who burn don't feel the infantile need to rub the NFL's lax testing policy in their face during a national interview. Randy always has to show everyone that authority figures mean nothing to him, though. Way to screw it up for everyone, Randy.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Is saying that you occasionally smoke weed exhibiting a behavorial sign of substance abuse?

Uh, yeah.

[OrangeShadow]

i saw the bottom line it went "charles rogers to miss the next 4 games" i though for sure he got hurt

[DBroncos4life]

Uh, yeah.


I would have to agree.

[-Slap-]

Matt Millen is such a friggin' momo.

:laugh:

Who's the best wide receiver coming out of college next year? I want to know who's name this fat **** will call in the first hour of the next Draft.

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[Bronx33]

Is saying that you occasionally smoke weed exhibiting a behavorial sign of substance abuse?



To funny! on top of looking like a dumbarse for even saying it to the media to begin with.

[DomCasual]

Usually refusing means an automatic positive result or admition of guilt right???
No way has Randy Moss used drugs. I am glad he's a man of principle, and he is standing up for his rights. He obviously just feels that it would be wrong to cave on the issue. He is a guy that I hope my son will look to as an example some day. :twitch:



BWAHAHAHAHA! I can't do it. I just can't do it! BWAHAHAHAHA! Principle! Randy Moss! Oh, that's rich!

[Raider Bill]

Why is it funny

"Once in a blue moon" Does not equal "substance abuse"

[Raider Bill]

Hes not going to miss any games, he isn't refusing a test he doesn't think he should be put back in the drug program for what he said on HBO.


That sounds more like it.

[DomCasual]

Hes not going to miss any games, he isn't refusing a test he doesn't think he should be put back in the drug program for what he said on HBO.

Wait a second, though - why is getting put into the drug program in any way related to getting tested? Don't they all have to undergo random tests, anyway?

[Merlin]

I do understand it is illegal and if he gets caught should pay the modest fine associated with it (unless of course, he has a crapload) and probably a suspension, but I just dont understand the necessity to drug test for weed.
I think it is related to a slippery slope argument. There is data suggesting the weaker drugs (e.g. pot) do lead to the use of stronger drugs (e.g. cocaine). In that context there are many reasons why you would not want players to use pot. BTW, there is also the image context. The NFL likes to portray itself as a professional entity (despite the fact that it idolizes violent criminals).

WRT Moss's comment. I public statement acknowledging the use of pot would fall under category 2. Remember 2 points made "not limited to", and his comments that in essence indicate substance abuse (abuse does not necessitate drug overdose or total loss of control). If he challenges on a legal basis, he would have to claim his public comments were just for show (trying to maintain an image) or some other explanation. But as long as he maintains them as true, then they are an admission of use which falls under category 2.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hes not going to miss any games, he isn't refusing a test he doesn't think he should be put back in the drug program for what he said on HBO.
What do you think the drug program is?

[Merlin]

Why is it funny
"Once in a blue moon" Does not equal "substance abuse"
In the context of illegal drug use it does. Don't confuse abuse in the above statement with its common usage. In essence it is related to drug use.

[-Slap-]

Wait a second, though - why is getting put into the drug program in any way related to getting tested? Don't they all have to undergo random tests, anyway?
No. The League knows a lot of guys smoke, so they installed a very lax testing system and everyone knows when they'll be tested. Essentially, you can smoke 11 months a year if you want. Just dry out at the end of June until they test you. Like Randy.

The League was smart enough not to do what the NBA did for many years, which was invite scorn and ridicule by having no testing system for Marijuana. Instead they have a toothless one. The national sports media gives the NFL a pass on everything anyway.

[DBroncos4life]

What do you think the drug program is?


You have either A). He isn't going to take a drug test now which would mean he will miss 4 games or B). He isn't going back into the NFL drug program because of what he said on HBO, during his off time because some dude thinks he should. Chris (the ESPN guy) said that Randy and his lawyer are winning this case by the way. Randy has every right to say no I don't want to take this guys advise and go into the program. Someone brought up a something about someone that is on parol. Well if he does his time and then two years later his parol officer thinks he should go back on parol and the guy says no they won't throw him back in jail for it.

[Raider Bill]

In the context of illegal drug use it does. Don't confuse abuse in the above statement with its common usage. In essence it is related to drug use.


Well whatever, apparently Moss is going to win this one.

[DBroncos4life]

Well whatever, apparently Moss is going to win this one.


thats what it sounds like, though I think what he said was pretty dumb it shouldn't have any affect on him having to re-enter the drug program because some guy thinks he should.

[Rashid242]

He's not refusing the regular mandatory drug test. He's refusing to get put back into the program which he was already in awhile ago.

He would get tested up to 10 times a month year round if he goes back in the program.

Jay Glazer of Fox says he's probably going to win & Mortensen said the same thing.

He'll still take the regular test but not 10 times a month test.

[watermock]

how amusing.

The clown went public saying he smoked weed and was somehow immune...

Brilliant! Why didn't he just paint a bullseye on his forehead.

I do what I want...Good god...he's not Cartman...

[Rashid242]

You have either A). He isn't going to take a drug test now which would mean he will miss 4 games or B). He isn't going back into the NFL drug program because of what he said on HBO, during his off time because some dude thinks he should. Chris (the ESPN guy) said that Randy and his lawyer are winning this case by the way. Randy has every right to say no I don't want to take this guys advise and go into the program. Someone brought up a something about someone that is on parol. Well if he does his time and then two years later his parol officer thinks he should go back on parol and the guy says no they won't throw him back in jail for it.

If he gets caught with weed then put him back into the program.

He can say he's smokes weed while flying to the blue moon for all I care.

It shouldn't put he back into it.

[DBroncos4life]

If he gets caught with weed then put him back into the program.

He can say he's smokes weed while flying to the blue moon for all I care.

It shouldn't put he back into it.


My bad! Uhh

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You have either A). He isn't going to take a drug test now which would mean he will miss 4 games or B). He isn't going back into the NFL drug program because of what he said on HBO, during his off time because some dude thinks he should.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.



I'm saying in the first post they claim that he said no to the drug test. The point is the NFL can't make a player go back onto the drug program for something he said on HBO.

[-Slap-]

You want more evidence? League investigators have spotted Moss at this park on several occasions.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.subtrivial.com/subman/images/dws227/cookout/bong.jpg

[DBroncos4life]

You want more evidence? League investigators have spotted Moss at this park on several occasions.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.subtrivial.com/subman/images/dws227/cookout/bong.jpg


I don't care who you are thats funny stuff.

[TexanBob]

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser

And Randy Moss doesn't look and act like a substance abuser?

[DBroncos4life]

And Randy Moss doesn't look and act like a substance abuser?


I think the Police should use that to bust people.

[No1BroncoFan]

It's kind of a circular argument.

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser, but without that test there is no way to prove it.

IMO The players union will fight this tooth and nail because it will render that "behavior clause" moot and the league will be able to test whomever it wants at any time.

Who knows?
Any athelete dumb enough to admit to using drugs during an interview has got to be high! Right there's your "behavior." ;D

Ben

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm saying in the first post they claim that he said no to the drug test. The point is the NFL can't make a player go back onto the drug program for something he said on HBO.

Why not? Mort said it was in the Medical Directors hands now to make that decision.

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

[Bronx33]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9067/petoutfit18qd.jpg

In other news randys dog mossy has also refused tests that he may be related to his owner a bit closer than originally thought.

[FADERPROOF]

It's kind of a circular argument.

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser, but without that test there is no way to prove it.

IMO The players union will fight this tooth and nail because it will render that "behavior clause" moot and the league will be able to test whomever it wants at any time.

Who knows?

What about the roach that was found in his car after he decided to run a traffic officer over?

Wouldn't that be exhibiting behavior?

[RunByDesign]

Hey man....Randy's just a free spirit man....we at the Northern California School of Holistic Medicine are ready and willing to enroll Randy as soon as he has some free time on his hands.

[Tredici]

What do you bet he holds it off just long enough to drink a few gallons of the famous Ricky masking agents?

A trip to Freaky's is in order.

[FADERPROOF]

What do you bet he holds it off just long enough to drink a few gallons of the famous Ricky masking agents?

A trip to Freaky's is in order.

http://www.420-greenkingdom.com/urineluck.jpg

[Tredici]

Waiting on Fedex to arrive with the Minny Whizinator...

Jeez, there are plenty of reasons to test that fool.

[GreatBronco16]

Why is it funny

"Once in a blue moon" Does not equal "substance abuse"

And you're buying into Randy saying 'Once in a blue moon' Tell me you don't actually believe him.

And why should they test for weed? Well weed is a downer, and the last thing we need is for some player to try and play while high. Your reflexes are slower when you are high for starters. What if a player was high and took a hit from someone that seriously hurt the high player? What if a review shows that had he been sober, he could have reacted to avoid the hit? Now I know it hasn't happend but still. But to get real on it. It is an illegal drug. Nuff said. And I feel the punsihments for using it, should be more harsh. I know some will disagree, but this is just my opinion so no need for name calling incase someone feels the need.

[-Slap-]

Waiting on Fedex to arrive with the Minny Whizinator...

Jeez, there are plenty of reasons to test that fool.
He uses the Mini-Whizinator?

Wide receivers have such big hands, too.

[-Slap-]

And you're buying into Randy saying 'Once in a blue moon' Tell me you don't actually believe him.

And why should they test for weed? Well weed is a downer, and the last thing we need is for some player to try and play while high. Your reflexes are slower when you are high for starters. What if a player was high and took a hit from someone that seriously hurt the high player? What if a review shows that had he been sober, he could have reacted to avoid the hit? Now I know it hasn't happend but still. But to get real on it. It is an illegal drug. Nuff said. And I feel the punsihments for using it, should be more harsh. I know some will disagree, but this is just my opinion so no need for name calling incase someone feels the need.
Narc.

[DBroncos4life]

Why not? Mort said it was in the Medical Directors hands now to make that decision.


And the Medical Directors will lose.

[Rock Chalk]

You want more evidence? League investigators have spotted Moss at this park on several occasions.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.subtrivial.com/subman/images/dws227/cookout/bong.jpg
New avatar.

[Rock Chalk]

And you're buying into Randy saying 'Once in a blue moon' Tell me you don't actually believe him.

Why? I know lots and lots of people that do not smoke on a regular basis but might toke every now and then.

And why should they test for weed? Well weed is a downer, and the last thing we need is for some player to try and play while high. Your reflexes are slower when you are high for starters. What if a player was high and took a hit from someone that seriously hurt the high player? What if a review shows that had he been sober, he could have reacted to avoid the hit? Now I know it hasn't happend but still. But to get real on it. It is an illegal drug. Nuff said. And I feel the punsihments for using it, should be more harsh. I know some will disagree, but this is just my opinion so no need for name calling incase someone feels the need.
Weed is a downer. Fortunatly, everyone that smokes weed knows you aint gettin off the couch to go play football. I promise you, no one in the history of the NFL has ever played the game stoned. You know how much preparation it takes to get ready in the locker room before a game? Even if you smoked outside teh stadium right before you got ready for the game, assuming you decided to go ahead and go in hoping no one notices your bloodshot slant eyes, you still ahve about two and a half or three hours before game time. you'd have to be really stoned to be high that long and go through all that prep.

You feel that the punishment for using it should be more harsh? Well, why stop there. I feel that anytime you dont wear your seatbelt you should be sentenced to death. Anytime you get caught speeding, death. Dont be a stupid twit. Do some god damn research on it before you go spouting off at the mouth about how harsh the penalty should be. There are people sitting in California jails at 100K a year for growing a couple of plants in their backyard for recreational purposes. How the **** is that fair? It is illegal, but no more harmful to anyone than some stupid **** not wearing a seatbelt or speeding down the road.

[Raider Bill]

And you're buying into Randy saying 'Once in a blue moon' Tell me you don't actually believe him.

And why should they test for weed? Well weed is a downer, and the last thing we need is for some player to try and play while high. Your reflexes are slower when you are high for starters. What if a player was high and took a hit from someone that seriously hurt the high player? What if a review shows that had he been sober, he could have reacted to avoid the hit? Now I know it hasn't happend but still. But to get real on it. It is an illegal drug. Nuff said. And I feel the punsihments for using it, should be more harsh. I know some will disagree, but this is just my opinion so no need for name calling incase someone feels the need.


And I suppose you believe noone on the Bronco's smokes weed?

[GreatBronco16]

Why? I know lots and lots of people that do not smoke on a regular basis but might toke every now and then.

Weed is a downer. Fortunatly, everyone that smokes weed knows you aint gettin off the couch to go play football. I promise you, no one in the history of the NFL has ever played the game stoned. You know how much preparation it takes to get ready in the locker room before a game? Even if you smoked outside teh stadium right before you got ready for the game, assuming you decided to go ahead and go in hoping no one notices your bloodshot slant eyes, you still ahve about two and a half or three hours before game time. you'd have to be really stoned to be high that long and go through all that prep.

You feel that the punishment for using it should be more harsh? Well, why stop there. I feel that anytime you dont wear your seatbelt you should be sentenced to death. Anytime you get caught speeding, death. Dont be a stupid twit. Do some god damn research on it before you go spouting off at the mouth about how harsh the penalty should be. There are people sitting in California jails at 100K a year for growing a couple of plants in their backyard for recreational purposes. How the **** is that fair? It is illegal, but no more harmful to anyone than some stupid **** not wearing a seatbelt or speeding down the road.


And ofcourse I knew that would hit your nerve. I don't care what research will bring up about weed. I don't care. You don't like my opinion on the matter then that's your problem. I don't care that California jails have people sitting in there for growing it. The stuff is illegal. If you want to chance using it, then you need to except the penalty. Also, I never said that the more harsh penalty needs to be more jail time. But thanks for assuming. Actually to be honest, I think the Fed Gov should just go ahead and leagalize it, then just tax the hell out of it like they do with cigarettes and Alcohol. Then treat it like alcohol when it comes to smoking it and driving, but don't jail them for it, make them pay more out of pocket.

Anyway, you can bitch at me all you want, it's not gonna change anything. But have fun.

[GreatBronco16]

And I suppose you believe noone on the Bronco's smokes weed?

Did I say that? Nope. But I know noone on the Broncos team is dumb enough to announce it to the world that they do.

[Rock Chalk]

And ofcourse I knew that would hit your nerve. I don't care what research will bring up about weed. I don't care. You don't like my opinion on the matter then that's your problem. I don't care that California jails have people sitting in there for growing it. The stuff is illegal. If you want to chance using it, then you need to except the penalty. Also, I never said that the more harsh penalty needs to be more jail time. But thanks for assuming. Actually to be honest, I think the Fed Gov should just go ahead and leagalize it, then just tax the hell out of it like they do with cigarettes and Alcohol. Then treat it like alcohol when it comes to smoking it and driving, but don't jail them for it, make them pay more out of pocket.

Anyway, you can b**** at me all you want, it's not gonna change anything. But have fun.

Oh, it changes something. See, I have a mental rolodex of all the people that have pissed me off and one day Im gonna go bin Laden on you ****ers.

[GreatBronco16]

Oh, it changes something. See, I have a mental rolodex of all the people that have pissed me off and one day Im gonna go bin Laden on you ****ers.


So you're gonna send other people to do a job that you can't do then go and hide in mountains in the Middle East? Yeah, that'll teach us. You're one bad dude man.

[Rock Chalk]

So you're gonna send other people to do a job that you can't do then go and hide in mountains in the Middle East? Yeah, that'll teach us. You're one bad dude man.
Ha!

OK, let me rephrase my analogy, because that was a bad one.

Im gonna go Ted Bundy on you ****ers.

[GreatBronco16]

Ha!

OK, let me rephrase my analogy, because that was a bad one.

Im gonna go Ted Bundy on you ****ers.

Now that would scare me. :crazy:

[Rock Chalk]

Haha, I cant even discipline my dog much less shoot another human being.

[GreatBronco16]

Haha, I cant even discipline my dog much less shoot another human being.


Well then you should get a better girlfriend.


Ok, just kidding. I just couldn't hold that one back man. :griese:

[Rock Chalk]

Well then you should get a better girlfriend.


Ok, just kidding. I just couldn't hold that one back man. :griese:
Naw, my girlfriend is fine,although that bull**** excuse about no blowjobs because her mouth is too small isn't going to last much longer.

[Bronx33]

Haha, I cant even discipline my dog much less shoot another human being.

Question alec, i saw those pics of the NO trip on the tailgate forum you had a drink called a hand grenade (what was in it)? just curious.

[GreatBronco16]

Question alec, i saw those pics of the NO trip on the tailgate forum you had a drink called a hand grenade (what was in it)? just curious.

I would guess Death.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'm all for banning of and random testing for performance enhancing drugs....

[baja]

I thought the suspension was only after a third incident (or an arrest) so it would mean that the player has had two other incidences. With Rogers, we know he tested positive at the draft combine - at least he was found to have a masking agent ("too much water") in his urine.

Speaking of regret, do you think the Lions wish they had taken Andre Johnson instead?

Maybe this explains why they took Mike Williams this year.

[DomCasual]

What about the roach that was found in his car after he decided to run a traffic officer over?

Wouldn't that be exhibiting behavior?

As far as I am concerned, it is.

I demand that they suspend the bastard for both Broncos games this year.

[sirhcyennek81]

Randy Moss is an employee of the NFL. If you wish to play a kid's game, and make large amounts of money doing it, you will do as the NFL asks.

[Raider Bill]

Randy Moss is an employee of the NFL. If you wish to play a kid's game, and make large amounts of money doing it, you will do as the NFL asks.


Uh... wrong.

The league cannot just ignore the collective bargaining agreement because it feels like it.

[SoCalBronco]

Im not sure a possible suspension of Randy Moss is in the Broncos long term interest. Sure it would be helpful in the games we play them but at 1-3, I dont think the Raiders are going to do anything this season. In their next 5 games, ive got them at 2-3 or maybe 3-2 at best. I dont think they will be any better than 7-9 or 8-8 this season. Losing Moss would really cripple them and send them to 3-13 land, and with that comes a very high draft pick.

[baja]

Im not sure a possible suspension of Randy Moss is in the Broncos long term interest. Sure it would be helpful in the games we play them but at 1-3, I dont think the Raiders are going to do anything this season. In their next 5 games, ive got them at 2-3 or maybe 3-2 at best. I dont think they will be any better than 7-9 or 8-8 this season. Losing Moss would really cripple them and send them to 3-13 land, and with that comes a very high draft pick.

ya but with their payroll can they even afford a top 5 pick?

[watermock]

Uh... wrong.

The league cannot just ignore the collective bargaining agreement because it feels like it.

Wrong? moss said what again? He said he smoked dope and fooled the testers..pure Bang materiial. Your an idiot. Moss is going to be pushed to the bleachers. Eat his cap number and take your top 6 draft choice.
'

[watermock]

Uh... wrong.

The league cannot just ignore the collective bargaining agreement because it feels like it.

Good grief your a moron.

Next.

[-Slap-]

Im not sure a possible suspension of Randy Moss is in the Broncos long term interest. Sure it would be helpful in the games we play them but at 1-3, I dont think the Raiders are going to do anything this season. In their next 5 games, ive got them at 2-3 or maybe 3-2 at best. I dont think they will be any better than 7-9 or 8-8 this season. Losing Moss would really cripple them and send them to 3-13 land, and with that comes a very high draft pick.
And a very high cap number for another unproven rookie.

[Atlas]

You want more evidence? League investigators have spotted Moss at this park on several occasions.

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.subtrivial.com/subman/images/dws227/cookout/bong.jpg

Yeah it's also been reported that he has been hanging out with a couple of gay druggies. There has been reported a sex for drugs senario. Stay tuned.

http://www.medialunchbox.com/pics/ernbertstone.jpg

[baja]

Naw, my girlfriend is fine,although that bull**** excuse about no blowjobs because her mouth is too small isn't going to last much longer.

Ya but she is worth her weight in Gold


http://www.melitour.com/For%20Dan/Uzbek_Woman.jpg

[Atlas]

The FBI also wants to talk to Moss about national security.

http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/archives/bin%20lade%20and%20evil%20bert%20return.jpghttp://nate.calc.org/webalbum/fun/images/osama%20bin%20laden%20(bert%20is%20evil)_jpg.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha!

Weed today - meth tomorrow.

(Moss hasn't been in Jokeland that long - give him time.)

:laugh:

[Rock Chalk]

Question alec, i saw those pics of the NO trip on the tailgate forum you had a drink called a hand grenade (what was in it)? just curious.
Top secret. I asked, they weren't telling. Apparently there is a reward for the ingredients.

It was good, whatever it was.

[bendog]

Isn't saying he smokes pot once in while indicitive of him using illegal substances? Personally, I got no issue with weed. Don't do it, but it's harmless, or as harmless as any drug. I'll stick with warm taaka and cold southpaw lt.

[ludo21]

Usually refusing means an automatic positive result or admition of guilt right???


yep, but this is Moss, poster boy of the nfl right??

This could get interesting in a hurry.

[Old Dude]

...Randy always has to show everyone that authority figures mean nothing to him, though. ...

That's pretty much the nail on the head.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Uh... wrong.

The league cannot just ignore the collective bargaining agreement because it feels like it.
They aren't, they are enforcing league policy.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Moss fighting re-entry into NFL drug program

ESPN.com news services

Raiders wide receiver Randy Moss is waiting to hear from the NFL's medical director of substance abuse regarding whether he will be placed back into the league's drug program.

After Moss told HBO Sports last month that he has occasionally smoked marijuana, the NFL's medical director, Dr. Rick Spodafora, called Moss in for testing on the grounds that through his words, Moss has indicated that he has resumed his drug-related behavior.

Four years ago, Moss entered the NFL's drug program. The seventh-year pro was subsequently tested up to 10 times a month, but he rotated out after testing clean in the two subsequent years.

But Moss refused Spodafora's recent testing request. Fox Sports reported Sunday Moss' attorney, David Cornwall, set up a meeting to lobby on Moss' behalf that spoken words during an interview were no grounds to be readmitted into the testing program. Cornwall met with the league and Spodafora met last Tuesday to discuss the issue.

In an August interview with HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," Moss said he still smokes marijuana "every blue moon."

"I have used, you know, marijuana ... since I've been in the league," Moss said. "But as far as abusing it and, you know, letting it take control over me, I don't do that, no."

When pressed whether he still smokes marijuana, Moss said: "I might. I might have fun. And, you know, hopefully ... I won't get into any trouble by the NFL by saying that, you know. I have had fun throughout my years and, you know, predominantly in the offseason."

Spodafora, who is independent of both the NFL and the National Football League Players' Association, is still considering Moss' argument. No timetable has yet been set for a decision. If Spodafora rules that Moss can be tested and the wideout still refuses, Moss could be suspended since suspensions could come from two missed drug tests -- as Moss has already refused to participate in one.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
http://tinyurl.com/dq93r

[yavoon]

Refusing to take a test should not be an admission of guilt, but if those are the NFL guidlines then so be it...He's an idiot for bringing up the weed in the 1st place...What did he think would happen as a result of his admission that he smokes weed? If he admitted that he takes steroids wouldn't he expect to be tested for it as a result of that admission?

its the only reasonable way to do it. ppl would come up with every excuse in the world. afterall they'd pay guys 300$ an hour just to figure out their excuse for them!

[NYBroncoManiac]

Why is it funny

"Once in a blue moon" Does not equal "substance abuse"

In fact, it does, in the eyes of his employer and in the eyes of the CBA. Substance abuse is "ever".

In this case, it doesn't even have to be Substance Abuse... It's illiegal, and I'm quite sure there are also stipulations in the CBA for illegal activity.

[bendog]

It's kind of a circular argument.

In order to test him, he has to exibit behavior of a substance abuser, but without that test there is no way to prove it.

IMO The players union will fight this tooth and nail because it will render that "behavior clause" moot and the league will be able to test whomever it wants at any time.

Who knows?

ummm, isn't saying he tokes 'mainly' in the offseason exhibting behavior of substance abuse?

[BKK]

Top secret. I asked, they weren't telling. Apparently there is a reward for the ingredients.

It was good, whatever it was.

I have had a few of them, I watched them mix a batch, they pour a case of bottles of the equvalent of white lightning in a five gallon plastic jug and add a lime green powder mix (bag) to mask the taste. Home of the Hand Grenade the strongest drink in Nawlins the little bar bills itself. I forget the name of the bar. you used to be able to buy the powdered mix. Maybe online.

[NYBroncoManiac]

I have had a few of them, I watched them mix a batch, they pour a case of bottles of the equvalent of white lightning in a five gallon plastic jug and add a lime green powder mix (bag) to mask the taste. Home of the Hand Grenade the strongest drink in Nawlins the little bar bills itself. I forget the name of the bar. you used to be able to buy the powdered mix. Maybe online.

Was there 2 years ago, they had a guy dressed in a Hand Grenade costume bouncing on the sidewalk, one of the funniest things I've ever seen...