Chefs / Vermeil Upset By Bailey Comments - AP

[meangene]

According to an AP article in the paper out here, the Chefs have heard about Bailey's comments while miked up that the Chefs weren't playing hard. Vermeil said, "I know this - none of our players said Champ Bailey didn't play hard when we beat them by three touchdowns last year out here. Eddie Kennison didn't say that Champ Bailey was not playing hard." Vermeil was described as clearly irritated.

I knew when I heard that Monday night that it would become bulletin board material. I don't know about having our players miked. It's great to watch but stuff like this makes you wonder if it's worth it. Vermeil said he refused to allow any of his players to be miked.

Thoughts?

[meangene]

Here's the article:

Chiefs coach does not appreciate cornerback talking down his team

By News Wire Reports
September 28, 2005

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - With the help of Champ Bailey and Monday Night Football microphones, the Kansas City Chiefs should be well motivated for their next game against the Denver Broncos.

First, the Chiefs (2-1) were embarrassed 30-10 on Monday night at Invesco Field at Mile High.


Then they found out that while the rout was taking place, Bailey, a Broncos cornerback, accused them on national television of not playing hard.

"The way they played up there in Kansas City, it ain't the same, though," said Bailey, who was miked by ABC.

Speaking with teammates on the Denver bench after the Broncos had taken control of the game in the first half, Bailey clearly was heard to say, "They're playing a little different. They're not playing as hard. I ain't going to relax, though."

The Chiefs beat Denver last year in Kansas City 45-17, dominating the Broncos almost as thoroughly as they were dominated Monday. They host the Broncos on Dec. 4.

"I know this, none of our players said Champ Bailey didn't play hard when we beat them by three touchdowns last year out here," coach Dick Vermeil said Tuesday. "(Chiefs receiver and former Broncos player) Eddie Kennison didn't say that Champ Bailey was not playing hard."

Vermeil tried to downplay Bailey's remarks but was irritated.

"That's why I don't allow players to be miked. I don't know what (Bailey) was referring to. That's a player's opinion," he said. "Champ Bailey's a fine kid, respected by everybody in the league. But you put a mike on him, you never know what you're going to hear. You catch some things guys say in frustration and you use them to enhance the broadcast. But sometimes that embarrasses the player."

[crazyhorse]

Here's the article:

Chiefs coach does not appreciate cornerback talking down his team

By News Wire Reports
September 28, 2005

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - With the help of Champ Bailey and Monday Night Football microphones, the Kansas City Chiefs should be well motivated for their next game against the Denver Broncos.

First, the Chiefs (2-1) were embarrassed 30-10 on Monday night at Invesco Field at Mile High.


Then they found out that while the rout was taking place, Bailey, a Broncos cornerback, accused them on national television of not playing hard.

"The way they played up there in Kansas City, it ain't the same, though," said Bailey, who was miked by ABC.

Speaking with teammates on the Denver bench after the Broncos had taken control of the game in the first half, Bailey clearly was heard to say, "They're playing a little different. They're not playing as hard. I ain't going to relax, though."

The Chiefs beat Denver last year in Kansas City 45-17, dominating the Broncos almost as thoroughly as they were dominated Monday. They host the Broncos on Dec. 4.

"I know this, none of our players said Champ Bailey didn't play hard when we beat them by three touchdowns last year out here," coach Dick Vermeil said Tuesday. "(Chiefs receiver and former Broncos player) Eddie Kennison didn't say that Champ Bailey was not playing hard."

Vermeil tried to downplay Bailey's remarks but was irritated.

"That's why I don't allow players to be miked. I don't know what (Bailey) was referring to. That's a player's opinion," he said. "Champ Bailey's a fine kid, respected by everybody in the league. But you put a mike on him, you never know what you're going to hear. You catch some things guys say in frustration and you use them to enhance the broadcast. But sometimes that embarrasses the player."

How many plays later was it when Bailey was knocked out of the game?


Anyone?

[fontaine]

How many plays later was it when Bailey was knocked out of the game?


Anyone?

Champ wasn't knocked out by anything. He just aggravated the same hamstring which isn't torn.

You know, the same kind of injury that's sidelined Roaf's fata$$ the past two games and your offense along with it.

[Rausch]

Thoughts?

If you play like $#it people are going to say "Hey, they're playing like $#it."

I don't see a problem with his comments. In fact, I remember saying "Gee, ya' think?"

[crazyhorse]

Champ wasn't knocked out by anything. He just aggravated the same hamstring which isn't torn.

You know, the same kind of injury that's sidelined Roaf's fata$$ the past two games and your offense along with it.

Yeah, the difference is Roaf wasn't talking about how tough he was, or how weak the other team was when he went down.

The moral to the story is, if you're gonna talk ****, back it up. Dont say how tough you are, then proceed to spend the rest of the game on the bench.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yeah, the difference is Roaf wasn't talking about how tough he was, or how weak the other team was when he went down.

The moral to the story is, if you're gonna talk ****, back it up. Dont say how tough you are, then proceed to spend the rest of the game on the bench.
LOL
Talking sh*t Hilarious!

Yeah, you're right the Chiefs were playing as hard as they could, they're just a piss-poor team so that's the best they could've done.

[fontaine]

Yeah, the difference is Roaf wasn't talking about how tough he was, or how weak the other team was when he went down.

The moral to the story is, if you're gonna talk ****, back it up. Dont say how tough you are, then proceed to spend the rest of the game on the bench.

Yeah, but then again we don't know what Roaf was saying because Dick don't want his players mic'ed up.

I think it's hilarious that chef fan chooses to question Champs toughness who's yet to miss a game in the NFL and has the current most games played in a row by a DB.

Oh yeah, and he was also putting in tackles against the chefs and san diego while his shoulder was strapped in a harness after being dislocated.

I would have thought after watching the chefs DBs at work for years, you would have learned to spot a p***y as opposed to a tough player but I guess knuckleheads never learn.

[fontaine]

Yeah, the difference is Roaf wasn't talking about how tough he was, or how weak the other team was when he went down.

Roaf is the last person I would think as tough. He's a great football player, no doubt, but I think everyone realized just how "tough" he was when Joe "Horned" his way into Roaf's wife and got away with it.

[crazyhorse]

Roaf is the last person I would think as tough. He's a great football player, no doubt, but I think everyone realized just how "tough" he was when Joe "Horned" his way into Roaf's wife and got away with it.

What was he supposed to do? Beat the hell out of his wife.

[crazyhorse]

Roaf is the last person I would think as tough. He's a great football player, no doubt, but I think everyone realized just how "tough" he was when Joe "Horned" his way into Roaf's wife and got away with it.

I just thought it ironic that he was talking about how soft they were, then 5 minutes later he was done for the night.

Twist it however it works best for you.

[crazyhorse]

LOL
Talking sh*t Hilarious!

Yeah, you're right the Chiefs were playing as hard as they could, they're just a piss-poor team so that's the best they could've done.

I guess by your criteria then that Bailey played uber soft last December when Kennison was beating him like he owed him money?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I guess by your criteria then that Bailey played uber soft last December when Kennison was beating him like he owed him money?
It's obvious the Broncos didn't play hard enough to win that game isn't it?
And it's obvious the Chiefs didn't play hard enough to win Monday.

Not very hard to figure out.

[crazyhorse]

It's obvious the Broncos didn't play hard enough to win that game isn't it?
And it's obvious the Chiefs didn't play hard enough to win Monday.

Not very hard to figure out.

Hard to call out a whole team from the play of just one person. I am sure there were some that were playing hard in the Denver gams last year. One of which was not Bailey.

Again, I just find it ironic that soon after he made that comment, he found someone playing hard.

[fontaine]

I just thought it ironic that he was talking about how soft they were, then 5 minutes later he was done for the night.

Twist it however it works best for you.

The only twisting done here is watching you make a pretzel out of yourself.

First you say Champ shouldn't be saying how tough he is and then sit on the bench when he made no such claim and wasn't just sitting on the bench. He was injured making a tackle on a FB so he had to sit out.

You put words in his mouth and then questioned his toughness which made you look even more foolish and usual.

[NYBroncoManiac]

I just thought it ironic that he was talking about how soft they were, then 5 minutes later he was done for the night.

Twist it however it works best for you.

I am continually amazed by the stupidity of Crazyhorse's posts...

So, let me get this straight, Bailey is somehow soft because he was injured later in the game. Hmmm, I guess the same thing can be said about Rodney Harrison.

And while we're on the subject, you don't think players are constantly running their mouths out on the field? This is an issue for Vermeil because he needs to have SOMETHING he can use to get his team fired up and this statement was on National TV.

[crazyhorse]

The only twisting done here is watching you make a pretzel out of yourself.

First you say Champ shouldn't be saying how tough he is and then sit on the bench when he made no such claim and wasn't just sitting on the bench. He was injured making a tackle on a FB so he had to sit out.

You put words in his mouth and then questioned his toughness which made you look even more foolish and usual.

I never put any words in his mouth. The words are documented.

You are attempting to make me look foolish by trying to divert the point of my statement. However, I still say, it is ironic that Bailey talked of how soft the Chiefs were, then found his ass on the bench.

He must have found a "hard" spot on that Chiefs team.

Karma is a bitch, huh?

As for Baileys toughness, let me go on record here.

I feel that Champ is a tough guy. You have to be to play football.

But he takes games off. Like the December game last season.

Ask Rod Smith how "soft" we were. He found his ass knocked the **** out on two occasions in that game.

[Broncos4tw]

Hard to call out a whole team from the play of just one person. I am sure there were some that were playing hard in the Denver gams last year. One of which was not Bailey.

Again, I just find it ironic that soon after he made that comment, he found someone playing hard.

He found someone running with the ball and he tackled him. It wasn't "ironic" nor in any way linked to his comment. Did you even watch the game? I imagine by this point in the affair, you had given up on the KC Fakes and were watching ice-skating or something.

Are you going to tell me that your team was in fact, actually playing as hard as they could?

If so, you are in for a long, long season.

[crazyhorse]

I am continually amazed by the stupidity of Crazyhorse's posts...

So, let me get this straight, Bailey is somehow soft because he was injured later in the game.

This is an issue for Vermeil because he needs to have SOMETHING he can use to get his team fired up and this statement was on National TV.

Bailey is not soft because he was injured. That's just stupid. But it is funny how soft the Chiefs are, yet still pounded his ass into the turf.

Second, Vermiel didn't bring it up, the media did. Vermiel tried to defuse it.

[-Slap-]

Ah, the bitter ramblings of a beaten man. Music to my ears. Please continue.

[crazyhorse]

He found someone running with the ball and he tackled him. It wasn't "ironic" nor in any way linked to his comment. Did you even watch the game? I imagine by this point in the affair, you had given up on the KC Fakes and were watching ice-skating or something.

Are you going to tell me that your team was in fact, actually playing as hard as they could?

If so, you are in for a long, long season.

The comment is linked to what happened. He said soft, then was met with a soft kick to the sidelne.

[crazyhorse]

Ah, the bitter ramblings of a beaten man. Music to my ears. Please continue.

You guys brought it up.

Now your whining because Champ got his ass beat soon there after.

If I'm bitter, then I like it.

[fontaine]

The moral to the story is, if you're gonna talk ****, back it up. Dont say how tough you are, then proceed to spend the rest of the game on the bench.


I never put any words in his mouth. The words are documented.

When did Champ say how tough he was?

You're a pretty lousy liar.

Still though, if you gleam any pleasure from a player being injured regardless of what's said in the sidelines then it shows just what a whining b*tch you are.

[crazyhorse]

When did Champ say how tough he was?

When he said how soft the Chiefs were.

You know...... just before he found himself out of the game.

[broncohaven]

People are acting like Champ was calling out the Chiefs or something. It was an aside comment to a teammate, and he did nothing but point to what has to be obvious. If the Chiefs were playing as hard as they were in KC last year, and that's the best team they can field, things are much worse in KC than I imagined.

It's not suprising that Vermiel and the Chiefs would overreact in the aftermath of the game. When your a$$ is spanked that hard it's going to be overly sensitive.

[crazyhorse]

Has anyone even seen the comments from Vermiel?

He was tring to defuse something the media was trying to get started.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/09/27/coach_vermeil_press_conference/

The comments were made around the 8 minute 50 second mark. Go see for yourself.

[yavoon]

Here's the article:

Chiefs coach does not appreciate cornerback talking down his team

By News Wire Reports
September 28, 2005

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - With the help of Champ Bailey and Monday Night Football microphones, the Kansas City Chiefs should be well motivated for their next game against the Denver Broncos.

First, the Chiefs (2-1) were embarrassed 30-10 on Monday night at Invesco Field at Mile High.


Then they found out that while the rout was taking place, Bailey, a Broncos cornerback, accused them on national television of not playing hard.

"The way they played up there in Kansas City, it ain't the same, though," said Bailey, who was miked by ABC.

Speaking with teammates on the Denver bench after the Broncos had taken control of the game in the first half, Bailey clearly was heard to say, "They're playing a little different. They're not playing as hard. I ain't going to relax, though."

The Chiefs beat Denver last year in Kansas City 45-17, dominating the Broncos almost as thoroughly as they were dominated Monday. They host the Broncos on Dec. 4.

"I know this, none of our players said Champ Bailey didn't play hard when we beat them by three touchdowns last year out here," coach Dick Vermeil said Tuesday. "(Chiefs receiver and former Broncos player) Eddie Kennison didn't say that Champ Bailey was not playing hard."

Vermeil tried to downplay Bailey's remarks but was irritated.

"That's why I don't allow players to be miked. I don't know what (Bailey) was referring to. That's a player's opinion," he said. "Champ Bailey's a fine kid, respected by everybody in the league. But you put a mike on him, you never know what you're going to hear. You catch some things guys say in frustration and you use them to enhance the broadcast. But sometimes that embarrasses the player."

the only thing even remotely bad about this is its gna be "bulletin board material." otherwise its pretty tame smack.

[meangene]

[QUOTE=broncohaven]People are acting like Champ was calling out the Chiefs or something. It was an aside comment to a teammate, and he did nothing but point to what has to be obvious.

That's kind of my question. If he weren't miked no one would be talking about this. Trash talking on the field is pretty much expected and no one pays much attention. But, do we really need to risk providing bulletin board material by having our players miked? Of course Vermeil is going to try to use this. I don't think Champ was talking trash at all but it's going to be taken that way. They're gonna twist this into him questioning their manhood, etc. Personally, I wouldn't allow our players to be miked.

As for Champ, his play and his consecutive start record speak for themselves. Non-issue. The guy got hurt making a nice tackle on a fullback while playing with his shoulder in a harness.

[Tom A Hawk]

It's obvious the Broncos didn't play hard enough to win that game isn't it?
And it's obvious the Chiefs didn't play hard enough to win Monday.

Not very hard to figure out.
I think your point is right on and that should shut this thread down.

I don't like whinning and excusing.

I wish the Chiefs would have said.....we were not worth a **** on Monday night....we got our come uppings and we learned a thing or two. See you in December and then............they should STFU and STFD.

[Atlas]

People are acting like Champ was calling out the Chiefs or something. It was an aside comment to a teammate, and he did nothing but point to what has to be obvious. If the Chiefs were playing as hard as they were in KC last year, and that's the best team they can field, things are much worse in KC than I imagined.

It's not suprising that Vermiel and the Chiefs would overreact in the aftermath of the game. When your a$$ is spanked that hard it's going to be overly sensitive.

I agree. Champs comment was just a comment to a teammate. Vermin should have just blowen it off instead of crying about it. To me it's a non issue.

[Mile High Shack]

I agree. Champs comment was just a comment to a teammate. Vermin should have just blowen it off instead of crying about it. To me it's a non issue.

what Dicky is doing is just trying to motivate his team...and he is using Champ's "comments" as a catalyst

Even at 70 and always crying, he still knows a few coaching tricks

His whine has a purpose....trying to motivate his crappy team

[crazyhorse]

I think your point is right on and that should shut this thread down.

I don't like whinning and excusing.

I wish the Chiefs would have said.....we were not worth a **** on Monday night....we got our come uppings and we learned a thing or two. See you in December and then............they should STFU and STFD.

That's pretty much what they said.

[bloodsunday]

"I know this, none of our players said Champ Bailey didn't play hard when we beat them by three touchdowns last year out here," coach Dick Vermeil said Tuesday. "(Chiefs receiver and former Broncos player) Eddie Kennison didn't say that Champ Bailey was not playing hard."
The crybaby had to take a jab. We just punched his team in the face and he needs to cry. They really thought they were the **** coming in here and they are absolutely stunned right now.

[Rohirrim]

Bailey is not soft because he was injured. That's just stupid. But it is funny how soft the Chiefs are, yet still pounded his ass into the turf.

Second, Vermiel didn't bring it up, the media did. Vermiel tried to defuse it.

If you had the brains to watch the video you'd notice that Bailey tweaked his hammy making a turn, not by contact. And he'll still start Sunday. As far as somebody getting their asses pounded into the turf, it didn't happen to Bailey, it happened to your entire team.

[crazyhorse]

If you had the brains to watch the video you'd notice that Bailey tweaked his hammy making a turn, not by contact. And he'll still start Sunday. As far as somebody getting their asses pounded into the turf, it didn't happen to Bailey, it happened to your entire team.

Maybe he was playing "too hard".

[Rohirrim]

Maybe he was playing "too hard".

Yeah. He should have toned it down against such a soft team.

[crazyhorse]

Yeah. He should have toned it down against such a soft team.

You're probably right. He likey would have been able to finish the game.

[Atlas]

Dick Vermeil???

http://img.theatermania.com/images/show/img/013420img1.jpg

[Jetmeck]

If you play like $#it people are going to say "Hey, they're playing like $#it."

I don't see a problem with his comments. In fact, I remember saying "Gee, ya' think?"

Exactly, he wasn't trash talking but stating the obvious.

[Nuggets4]

At least Vermeil has an excuse for overreacting. What the hell is crazyhorse's?

[DarkHorse]

Crazyhorse don't let this get you bent out of shape so much. Champ has played against the Chiefs before and being a player in the NFL, veteran at that, i'll take his analogy that 'they're playing a little different, not as hard' as being accurate. Maybe they weren't playing as hard.

I've heard the term - "We didn't match their intensity"

Isn't that just another way of saying - "We didn't play as hard as them" ???????

Nice SBF in the avatar - get it installed and some 1/4 times with it. I remember our discussions in the past about cars.

As an update - I installed a Vortech blower on my Z28 - went 11.623@121.47 with a 1.79 60' - first run with the blower. Having issues now so no return times. Should go 11.2's @ 125 or so...... we'll see.

[crazyhorse]

Crazyhorse don't let this get you bent out of shape so much. Champ has played against the Chiefs before and being a player in the NFL, veteran at that, i'll take his analogy that 'they're playing a little different, not as hard' as being accurate. Maybe they weren't playing as hard.

I've heard the term - "We didn't match their intensity"

Isn't that just another way of saying - "We didn't play as hard as them" ???????

Nice SBF in the avatar - get it installed and some 1/4 times with it. I remember our discussions in the past about cars.

As an update - I installed a Vortech blower on my Z28 - went 11.623@121.47 with a 1.79 60' - first run with the blower. Having issues now so no return times. Should go 11.2's @ 125 or so...... we'll see.

We agree here. I never said that the Chiefs played their best or thier hardest. I agree that the Chiefs didn't play thier best game.

I go back to my original point. Karma's a bitch.

Congrats on the mid 11s. That's a strong time.

The engine wont be in the car until next summer. It exceeds the power numbers we talked about though. It should be pretty strong in it's own right.

[bronco militia]

I just thought it ironic that he was talking about how soft they were, then 5 minutes later he was done for the night.

Twist it however it works best for you.

how rich... :nono:

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[BroncoInferno]

When he said how soft the Chiefs were.

You know...... just before he found himself out of the game.

He didn't say the Chiefs were soft. He said they didn't seem to be playing hard. Very different. Either you're lying, or you have poor reading comprehension skills.

I mean, did you think the Chiefs were playing as hard as they did in December?

[bendog]

He didn't say the Chiefs were soft. He said they didn't seem to be playing hard. Very different. Either you're lying, or you have poor reading comprehension skills.

I mean, did you think the Chiefs were playing as hard as they did in December?
This is hilarious. These pussies (vermiel included as well as the chorf posters) are whining NOT because their team didn't show up to play, but because Champ NOTICED it. roflmao

[Spider]

Ha! , Eugene Robinson said alot worse in SB 32 , didnt see Denver crying , we just cowboyed up and kicked ass ..........
I will take Champs statements 1 step futher , Dicky V is a soft coach , so his team will be soft when the going gets too tough .......

[BroncoInferno]

This is hilarious. These pussies (vermiel included as well as the chorf posters) are whining NOT because their team didn't show up to play, but because Champ NOTICED it. roflmao

Seriously. I don't see the big deal in what he said. If last December a miked KC player said, "I don't know, they're different from when we played in September. They're not playing as hard," I would not have considered it a big deal. For one thing, the statement would have been true. For another, it really was pretty tame as smack. I mean, he didn't say, "KC is playing like a bunch of pussies." Give me a break.

[bendog]

This is akin to Den needing some locker room material to come to play in Jax. I mean, surely they don't recall leaving 10-14 pts on the field last year, losing after pretty much dominating statistically, and then with that loss and the loss in SD (or the Jokeland at Den) having to play Payaton in Indy. Nah, they couldn't recall that. Shanny would need some locker room material to remind them.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Vermeil said it himself, 'It's one player's opinion'. That's the truth. So when players are no longer allowed to a)have an opinion and b)express that opinion, then Vermeil can whine and moan. If you seriously thought the Chiefs were playing hard then either a)your team truly blows or b)you're blinded by your allegiance. Vermeil wasn't on the field so how could he know if his players were playing hard? Champ was on the field watching Priest go down like a shot dog and Larry Johnson take a knee rather than fight for extra yards. He covered a WR and saw other WR's who dropped easy passes and probably can assess whether they were running routes with gusto or were mailing it in after being punched in the mouth.

Champ's point still stands--you'd never get a half assed performance like that out of the Chiefs at Narrowhead. Whether someone wants to assess how hard the Broncos played in KC while getting their heads handed to them, so be it--it's just an opinion. Dickie needs something to fire up his guys since they will likely be torn to pieces by Westbrook on Sunday.

[bendog]

Gee, I wonder if Payaton was saying they were kicking Den's ass all over the field in last year's playoffs? I bet he was. He had that smirk on his pasty soft face. Come to think of it, that really pisses me off. Bad enough they kicked den's ass all over the field, but G. DAMMIT, they didn't have to notice it!

[Iowanian]

Dick should be mad at his players, who played like a sack full of loose brownstars.

Bailey didn't say anything I, as a Chief fan didn't think I was seeing....like players smiling after dropping balls......or green grinning in the 4th 1/4.

its time for Vermeil to stop cuddling his players and start kicking someone in the ass. Bailey didn't say anything in that clip that should do anything but make them look in the mirror. If Using it as BB material in December helps them "get in the mood" for Denver in December....great.

As a player, I'd have been more motivated by the "Are you crazy" crap he was talking on the field.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Vermeil said it himself, 'It's one player's opinion'. That's the truth. So when players are no longer allowed to a)have an opinion and b)express that opinion, then Vermeil can whine and moan. If you seriously thought the Chiefs were playing hard then either a)your team truly blows or b)you're blinded by your allegiance. Vermeil wasn't on the field so how could he know if his players were playing hard? Champ was on the field watching Priest go down like a shot dog and Larry Johnson take a knee rather than fight for extra yards. He covered a WR and saw other WR's who dropped easy passes and probably can assess whether they were running routes with gusto or were mailing it in after being punched in the mouth.

Champ's point still stands--you'd never get a half assed performance like that out of the Chiefs at Narrowhead. Whether someone wants to assess how hard the Broncos played in KC while getting their heads handed to them, so be it--it's just an opinion. Dickie needs something to fire up his guys since they will likely be torn to pieces by Westbrook on Sunday.

That avatar just aint right :nono:

[bendog]

My fear of Philly in KC is that McNabb may get a week off to heal.

[Iowanian]

I think the Chiefs come out ANGRY sunday and put a beating on Philly.

Eagle Tastes like chicken.

[bronco militia]

Gee, I wonder if Payaton was saying they were kicking Den's ass all over the field in last year's playoffs? I bet he was. He had that smirk on his pasty soft face. Come to think of it, that really pisses me off. Bad enough they kicked den's ass all over the field, but G. DAMMIT, they didn't have to notice it!

HAHA!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think the Chiefs come out ANGRY sunday and put a beating on Philly.

Eagle Tastes like chicken.

Uh huh. Hope you're not betting the family farm on the "soft" Chiefs :curtsey: putting a beating on the Eagles.

[Rausch]

Uh huh. Hope you're not betting the family farm on the "soft" Chiefs :curtsey: putting a beating on the Eagles.

Denver was soft as well.

Funny what playing at home can do for you...

[bendog]

McNabb looks pretty hurt. I think the chorfs can win. Of course McNabb may not be sacked or hit too.

[Smiling Assassin27]

That avatar just aint right :nono:

as a wings fan, it's nothing if not right... Nyah!

[Paladin]

Looks like Crazy has a good grip on her broom; witches need a good two point grip.....

[bendog]

crazyhorse is a ..... female?

[Iowanian]

Uh huh. Hope you're not betting the family farm on the "soft" Chiefs :curtsey: putting a beating on the Eagles.

No....but I feel pretty good about where the Chiefs are sitting right now.
Preseason...I'd have been thrilled with 2-2 with this opening schedule.
The Eagles aren't unbeatable, mcNabb is in trouble with the sports hernia....In Arrowhead....after being embarrassed on MNF....

I think the Chiefs just might Kick the hell out of Philly sunday.

[fontaine]

No....but I feel pretty good about where the Chiefs are sitting right now.
Preseason...I'd have been thrilled with 2-2 with this opening schedule.
The Eagles aren't unbeatable, mcNabb is in trouble with the sports hernia....In Arrowhead....after being embarrassed on MNF....

I think the Chiefs just might Kick the hell out of Philly sunday.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but your LBs will have to account for Westbrook and shut him down. The guy is unstoppable right now and accounts for a lot of what Philly do on offense.

[bendog]

If McNabb had the surgery, how long is he out? Adn, if, just if, the iggles started detmer for a few games, would McNabb get some benefit? I heard that with a sports hernia the options were 6 mos rest or the knife.

[Iowanian]

McNabb would be out quite a while, maybe the year with the sports hernia....

Westbrook is good but without McNabb(or with in bad health and limited mobility)
Limits Owens(with Detmer throwing the ball). I'm not sure how effective Westbrook is, when he's the keyed on player? He's very good and the Chiefs Defense has their hands full.

I have not thought that Philly has looked very good, outside of 1 game.

Its at Arrowhead, the Chiefs should play like they were embarrased(you did not see the real Chiefs monday), McNabb isn't healthy if he plays.

I feel good about the chances.

[patteeu]

According to an AP article in the paper out here, the Chefs have heard about Bailey's comments while miked up that the Chefs weren't playing hard. Vermeil said, "I know this - none of our players said Champ Bailey didn't play hard when we beat them by three touchdowns last year out here. Eddie Kennison didn't say that Champ Bailey was not playing hard." Vermeil was described as clearly irritated.

I knew when I heard that Monday night that it would become bulletin board material. I don't know about having our players miked. It's great to watch but stuff like this makes you wonder if it's worth it. Vermeil said he refused to allow any of his players to be miked.

Thoughts?

I've seen the description "clearly irritated" and I've seen the description "pissed" and both seem to be way off the mark to me. I heard Vermiel make these comments twice, once in his press conference and once on his radio program. In neither case did he seem irritated at all. He called Champ a "fine kid" and said that he's "respected by everyone in the league."

The quote is wrong too. He didn't say "beat them [Broncos] by three touchdowns," he said "beat him [Bailey] for 2 touchdowns." It was clearly a dig at Bailey, but it was done without any venom. If anything, it was lighthearted ribbing, IMO. He followed it by immediately saying "we have great respect for Champ Bailey." As usual, the media has distorted this situation almost beyond recognition.

[patteeu]

Has anyone even seen the comments from Vermiel?

He was tring to defuse something the media was trying to get started.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/09/27/coach_vermeil_press_conference/

The comments were made around the 8 minute 50 second mark. Go see for yourself.

Exactly.

[patteeu]

I agree. Champs comment was just a comment to a teammate. Vermin should have just blowen it off instead of crying about it. To me it's a non issue.

You are obviously someone who didn't watch the video that Crazyhorse linked. There was no crying. There was no whining. If Vermeil's comments amounted to "crying about it" then Champ's comments were coded instructions to activate an Al Qaeda sleeper cell.

[bendog]

Exactly.
Maybe you need to check crazy's third post on this thread.

[crazyhorse]

Seriously. I don't see the big deal in what he said. If last December a miked KC player said, "I don't know, they're different from when we played in September. They're not playing as hard," I would not have considered it a big deal. For one thing, the statement would have been true. For another, it really was pretty tame as smack. I mean, he didn't say, "KC is playing like a bunch of pussies." Give me a break.

It wasn't a big deal. Just funny considering where he wound up.

[patteeu]

Maybe you need to check crazy's third post on this thread.

You're going to have to help me out on this one. How does that post have anything to do with the post I quoted?

What was he supposed to do? Beat the hell out of his wife.

???

[ol number 7]

I guess by your criteria then that Bailey played uber soft last December when Kennison was beating him like he owed him money?

It's what have you done lately that counts in this league. Leave it to the Chiefs to keep crowing about last year. You didn't even make the playoffs, or have you forgotten that part. As usual, in Denver we play for Superbowls, in KC just to beat the Broncos is all they want. That way in January they can spend all their time on the 1-900-Hulk Hogan Hotline.

[bendog]

You're going to have to help me out on this one. How does that post have anything to do with the post I quoted?



???
Just that crazy is being a pissy little bitch and trying to change her tone on the notion of Vermiel's comments. Personally, I found the chorf fans reaction tot he comments more tellign than anything. Neither Vermiel nor champ said anything. Though Champ hopefully will remember the dig about the two tds in KC for the KC game.

[patteeu]

This is hilarious. These pussies (vermiel included as well as the chorf posters) are whining NOT because their team didn't show up to play, but because Champ NOTICED it. roflmao

Maybe you should check out the link in Post #26. Are all bronco fans this quick to overreact?

[bendog]

crazy was trying to play both sides of the street, imo.

[gunns]

I never put any words in his mouth. The words are documented.

You are attempting to make me look foolish by trying to divert the point of my statement. However, I still say, it is ironic that Bailey talked of how soft the Chiefs were, then found his ass on the bench.

He must have found a "hard" spot on that Chiefs team.

Karma is a b****, huh?

As for Baileys toughness, let me go on record here.

I feel that Champ is a tough guy. You have to be to play football.

But he takes games off. Like the December game last season.

Ask Rod Smith how "soft" we were. He found his ass knocked the **** out on two occasions in that game.

Well, gee, I guess if the Chiefs weren't playing soft they're not a very good team then huh?

[crazyhorse]

Well, gee, I guess if the Chiefs weren't playing soft they're not a very good team then huh?

Some played better than others. I think having two injuries on the o line helped a little. But hey, they could have played harder. At least I hope so.

[broncosteven]

If they miked up Chef players all they would get is Dainty talking about his pink thong riding up on him & directing players on returns to hold & Block in the back.

Diaper Larry would short out his mike when he wets his diapers.

[Clockwork Orange]

But hey, they could have played harder.

Funny, that's what Champ said, that they weren't playing as hard as they had previously. I don't remember him ever using the word "soft."

But Dick ForMeals and Chef fan need some kind of rallying cry. Especially after an ass reaming like that one.

[tornado927]

Dick should be mad at his players, who played like a sack full of loose brownstars.

Bailey didn't say anything I, as a Chief fan didn't think I was seeing....like players smiling after dropping balls......or green grinning in the 4th 1/4.

its time for Vermeil to stop cuddling his players and start kicking someone in the ass. Bailey didn't say anything in that clip that should do anything but make them look in the mirror. If Using it as BB material in December helps them "get in the mood" for Denver in December....great.


Never thought I'd agree with Shrek ...but he nailed it, any Chef fan who watched that game and honestly believed their team came to play must have a serious substance abuse problem.

As a Bronco fan, there is no way during the Miami game that I could say that any part of that team came to play...it was ugly...I don't see Champ's comments as any different. Remember, If it walks like a duck.... ;D

[Taco John]

Roaf is the last person I would think as tough. He's a great football player, no doubt, but I think everyone realized just how "tough" he was when Joe "Horned" his way into Roaf's wife and got away with it.



You're basing your opinion on his toughness on an Internet rumor? Uhh

[chiefjustice03]

I think it was extremely whiney. I think it's bad enough (for me) that the chiefs were bitchslapped. Vermeil makes it worse by getting his panties in a wad over a players' opinion. I'm glad Bailey said it, and I personally hope it will piss off the Chiefs players and they will come out swinging next game instead of wandering around all confused.

I also think it will help to further inspire the Chiefs for the Dec Arrowhead game.

Regardless it is embarassing for a Chiefs fan for Vermeil to say anything about that.

[crazyhorse]

Regardless it is embarassing for a Chiefs fan for Vermeil to say anything about that.

Uh....what if he was asked about it by the media?

It's embarassing for Chiefs fans when other Chiefs fans crack on our own coaches on Donkey boards when they have no idea what was said, or the context in which it was said.

[crazyhorse]

Funny, that's what Champ said, that they weren't playing as hard as they had previously. I don't remember him ever using the word "soft."

But Dick ForMeals and Chef fan need some kind of rallying cry. Especially after an ass reaming like that one.


Dont get me wrong. I never said the Chiefs were playing thier best. I have no problem with the comment. I just think it's funny that he finished the game on the bench after proclaiming how soft we were playing. I just thought it ironic, that's all.

I really am indifferent about the statement itself. In fact, you didn't hear a peep from me, until a Bronco fan thought it post worthy.

[chiefjustice03]

Uh....what if he was asked about it by the media?

It's embarassing for Chiefs fans when other Chiefs fans crack on our own coaches on Donkey boards when they have no idea what was said, or the context in which it was said.

Then I guess you can leave. I understand the context in which Vermeil was asked. I understand how he responded, and I get the whole thing. I question whether you really understand what Bailey said.

He could have responded in about 100 other ways or chose to ignore it.

I think it was whiney. Why should a coach care what an opposing player says about his teams ability? If he wants to prove Bailey wrong, may his teams actions speak for him. I think he's too soft on his players. If I was the head coach and Sammy Parker drops a pass (again) on third down when he was wide open and then laughs about it, ...I would have tried my best not to grab him by the facemask when he got to the sideline, and then benched him for at LEAST a half. There isn't ANYTHING funny about that!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's embarassing for Chiefs fans when other Chiefs fans crack on our own coaches on Donkey boards when they have no idea what was said, or the context in which it was said.

LOL :vermeil: :vermeil: :vermeil:

Are you still whining about this?

[bendog]

You're basing your opinion on his toughness on an Internet rumor? Uhh
I think it was more than rumor. But how else should Roaf take it? He said he wasn't playing with Horn, and the aints should choose who to keep, but if it was horn, he was retiring if they didn't trade him, and he tried (maybe successfully) to patch it with his wife. How does a real man respond? Guy sounds like a real puss to me. (-:

[crazyhorse]

Then I guess you can leave. I understand the context in which Vermeil was asked. I understand how he responded, and I get the whole thing. I question whether you really understand what Bailey said.

He could have responded in about 100 other ways or chose to ignore it.

I think it was whiney. Why should a coach care what an opposing player says about his teams ability? If he wants to prove Bailey wrong, may his teams actions speak for him. I think he's too soft on his players. If I was the head coach and Sammy Parker drops a pass (again) on third down when he was wide open and then laughs about it, ...I would have tried my best not to grab him by the facemask when he got to the sideline, and then benched him for at LEAST a half. There isn't ANYTHING funny about that!

He didn't bring it up in the 1st place.In fact, he didn't even know about it until he was asked. He never tried to prove him wrong either.

If you were coach?

Well.....why aren't you the coach?

Oh that's right, you found a better job at the bus station sucking farts out of seats.

Finally, how can you possibly know where the coach is coming from when you dont know where I am coming from? You sound like someone that knows nothing of the situation.

He was asked a question, he answereed it. He finished by saying his team could have played harder. I dont know how that is whining, but then I have no idea what the **** you're talking about in the 1st place.

All I know is you like to kiss donkey ass.

[Ratboy]

:charge: Chiefs are already falling apart.

[bendog]

:charge: Chiefs are already falling apart.
Not yet, but the more vermeil talks, the closer it will get.

[chiefjustice03]

All I know is you like to kiss donkey ass.[/QUOTE]

So if I don't agree 100% with Dicky V. I am kissing ass?

Excuse me, I'm not the one with 2,347 posts on the orange mane. Who's hanging out with the donkeys.

I consider myself a reasonable person who doesn't automatically play Chief Homer and defend all things Chiefy. I'll fight on the issues I disagree on and admit when I agree with a criticism of the Chiefs. It's kinda hard to talk too much smack with credibility after the way we played on Monday night.

But, it appears by reading some of these threads that your credibility here is obviously rock solid, so please continue on.

You get upset because I disagree with how Vermiel handled it? That breaks my freakin heart!

[crazyhorse]

So if I don't agree 100% with Dicky V. I am kissing ass?

Excuse me, I'm not the one with 2,347 posts on the orange mane. Who's hanging out with the donkeys.

I consider myself a reasonable person who doesn't automatically play Chief Homer and defend all things Chiefy. I'll fight on the issues I disagree on and admit when I agree with a criticism of the Chiefs. It's kinda hard to talk too much smack with credibility after the way we played on Monday night.

But, it appears by reading some of these threads that your credibility here is obviously rock solid, so please continue on.

You get upset because I disagree with how Vermiel handled it? That breaks my freakin heart!

Begging my forgiveness isn't going to help your cause.

[chiefjustice03]

Begging my forgiveness isn't going to help your cause.

Great comeback, homer. You KNOW I can't hang with smack like that!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

LOL :vermeil: :vermeil: :vermeil:

Are you still whining about this?

Whining is crazy and iowan's greatest skill.

[jonny1]

This is rich, two Chef fans arguing on a Broncos board . . .

And Crazyhorsh!t keeps saying Bailey said they were soft. The boy has serious comprehension problems.

[azbroncfan]

Hard to call out a whole team from the play of just one person. I am sure there were some that were playing hard in the Denver gams last year. One of which was not Bailey.

Again, I just find it ironic that soon after he made that comment, he found someone playing hard.
I'm sure other players were saying equal or worse things that didn't get heard because they weren't miked. Chefs are just too thinned skinned and it shows by how much their coach cry's. :vermeil: :vermeil: :vermeil: :vermeil:

[Liebs]

Yeah, the difference is Roaf wasn't talking about how tough he was, or how weak the other team was when he went down.

The moral to the story is, if you're gonna talk ****, back it up. Dont say how tough you are, then proceed to spend the rest of the game on the bench.
you truely are a complete bafoon.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Rome just blasted Vermeil. "Hey Dick, if you don't want your team talked about not playing hard, don't get blown out"!

LOL

[Ballhawk]

Im not going to read through all this, so forive if this has been posted.

Bailey was saying only that KC was a better team than they were showing on the field. Which I thought was more of a complement than anything else.

Talk about making a mountain out of an ant hill. Also for the record Pryce was 100% on the money with Priest, but he aint injured he is just a shell of his former self. He has looked average all year.

[crazyhorse]

Im not going to read through all this, so forive if this has been posted.

Bailey was saying only that KC was a better team than they were showing on the field. Which I thought was more of a complement than anything else.

Talk about making a mountain out of an ant hill. Also for the record Pryce was 100% on the money with Priest, but he aint injured he is just a shell of his former self. He has looked average all year.

I agree with this

[patteeu]

I think it was extremely whiney. I think it's bad enough (for me) that the chiefs were b****slapped. Vermeil makes it worse by getting his panties in a wad over a players' opinion. I'm glad Bailey said it, and I personally hope it will piss off the Chiefs players and they will come out swinging next game instead of wandering around all confused.

I also think it will help to further inspire the Chiefs for the Dec Arrowhead game.

Regardless it is embarassing for a Chiefs fan for Vermeil to say anything about that.

Why are you getting your panties in a wad over this?

[patteeu]

Uh....what if he was asked about it by the media?

It's embarassing for Chiefs fans when other Chiefs fans crack on our own coaches on Donkey boards when they have no idea what was said, or the context in which it was said.

Exactly. Again.

[gunns]

The picture of Kennison.....priceless.

The challenge......priceless

[Sassy]

The picture of Kennison.....priceless.

The challenge......priceless
That totally sent the fans into a frenzy...it was crazy!

[patteeu]

Then I guess you can leave. I understand the context in which Vermeil was asked. I understand how he responded, and I get the whole thing. I question whether you really understand what Bailey said.

He could have responded in about 100 other ways or chose to ignore it.

I think it was whiney. Why should a coach care what an opposing player says about his teams ability? If he wants to prove Bailey wrong, may his teams actions speak for him. I think he's too soft on his players. If I was the head coach and Sammy Parker drops a pass (again) on third down when he was wide open and then laughs about it, ...I would have tried my best not to grab him by the facemask when he got to the sideline, and then benched him for at LEAST a half. There isn't ANYTHING funny about that!

I don't think you understand the context or the response. I think you are just looking for a reason to whine about a coach whose style you don't like. That's OK, I suppose, but I'd be willing to bet that you're one of those fickle fans who doesn't like Carl Peterson's hard ass style either. Regardless, you're wrong about Vermiel whining.

[Bronx33]

Why are you getting your panties in a wad over this?


Hes not CJ whom i know from the espn boards doesn't have blinders on like most chefs fans his take from a KC fan perspective is solid.

[Bronx33]

That totally sent the fans into a frenzy...it was crazy!


Did anybody tivo the game? please post it! they showed him about to cry after it was taken away dickies impression was sweet as well.

[FADERPROOF]

Vermeil is the coach of the Chiefs, so he should get the guys in line to play hard and tough instead of whining about a player who pointed out how weak the Chiefs were playing.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't think you understand the context or the response. I think you are just looking for a reason to whine about a coach whose style you don't like. That's OK, I suppose, but I'd be willing to bet that you're one of those fickle fans who doesn't like Carl Peterson's hard ass style either. Regardless, you're wrong about Vermiel whining.

LOL
Yeah right, Vermeil ( :vermeil: ) would never be caught crying about anything.

[Northman]

Ive stated this in the other ' Vermin ' thread. Champ wasnt insulting the team, he was pointing out what he thought was ' unispired ' football from the Chiefs hence his reasoning of " im not going to relax " comment. Vermeil is just took it the wrong way and now he is crying about it. like one of the other chief fans said, Bailey's quotes should be the last thing that Vermeil is worried about at this point. maybe HE should question why his team came out flat and uninspired on Monday.

[Northman]

LOL
Yeah right, Vermeil ( :vermeil: ) would never be caught crying about anything.


I still miss that Bang cartoon of him crying about Grob. LMAO

[patteeu]

Hes not CJ whom i know from the espn boards doesn't have blinders on like most chefs fans his take from a KC fan perspective is solid.

Punctuation is good. Maybe they teach that next year.

He may be a good guy, but he's wrong about this. CrazyHorse posted a link to the video conference. There is no hint of whining present in Vermeil's tone. CJ is talking out of his ass. Vermeil's comments are much more similar to a mild form of the smack talk found here or at any other team messageboard than it is to whining. If Vermeil was whining, then this board is full of whiners anytime Bob's Your Information Minister posts.

[patteeu]

LOL
Yeah right, Vermeil ( :vermeil: ) would never be caught crying about anything.

Yeah right, because Vermeil has been known to cry on occasion, everything he says must be said through a veil of tears. ::)

[Bronx33]

Punctuation is good. Maybe they teach that next year.

He may be a good guy, but he's wrong about this. CrazyHorse posted a link to the video conference. There is no hint of whining present in Vermeil's tone. CJ is talking out of his ass. Vermeil's comments are much more similar to a mild form of the smack talk found here or at any other team messageboard than it is to whining. If Vermeil was whining, then this board is full of whiners anytime Bob's Your Information Minister posts.


Ohhh gad! save the writing lesson ok it's g@y.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yeah right, because Vermeil has been known to cry on occasion, everything he says must be said through a veil of tears. ::)
LOL
Yeah, occasions like it's Tuesday, his dog wagged his tail, the mailman went down the street, his wife turned on the TV, it was cloudy, it rained, it was sunny, the swallows arrived 2 days late, 3 different players waved to him at practice and Dante said he loves him.

[crazyhorse]

LOL
Yeah, occasions like it's Tuesday, his dog wagged his tail, the mailman went down the street, his wife turned on the TV, it was cloudy, it rained, it was sunny, the swallows arrived 2 days late, 3 different players waved to him at practice and Dante said he loves him.

Actually he cries when he's winning. It's better for you if he's not crying.

When he starts crying, that's when you know the Chiefs are legit contenders.

[patteeu]

Ohhh gad! save the writing lesson ok it's g@y.

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[Bronx33]

whatsgayisthatyouthinkyouareagoodjudgeofthekcfanpe rspectiv
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Try some Punctuation? just a thought. :wave:

[patteeu]

Try some Punctuation? just a thought. :wave:


I'm happy to see you recognize the value now. Anytime I can be of further assitance, all you've got to do is ask. :)

[Bronx33]

I'm happy to see you recognize the value now. Anytime I can be of further assitance, all you've got to do is ask. :)

I'am going to say next time you just keep your trap shut and that way you don't come off like a anal retentive KC fan with no smack other than Punctuation corrections. (see what i'am getting at) :thumbsup:

[ZachKC]

I'am going to say next time you just keep your trap shut and that way you don't come off like a anal retentive KC fan with no smack other than Punctuation corrections. (see what i'am getting at) :thumbsup:
I think he is just on to what most other people are on too, you are one of the dumbest people on this message board...

[ZachKC]

In other news I am suprised this is still being talked about.

[bendog]

yeah, that's why I couldn't figure why patuee fired the thread up again. I guess it bugs him that vermeal is a whining ninny.

[Bronx33]

I think he is just on to what most other people are on too, you are one of the dumbest people on this message board...

Anal boy 2 chimes in are you and patteeu brothers or sisters?

[DivineLegion]

What Champ meant to say was damn theys suck...