Week 4 Buy / Sell

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Buy:
Darrent Williams starting opposite of (in theory) Champ Bailey....

Big money for the re-aquisition of Ian Gold.... I'll be honest and say that I WAS a critic

Kyle Johnson...

The BIG NICKEL package... shutting down the likes of Gates and Gonzales

The Browncos... serving piping-hot crow to the likes of Adam Shine and John Riggins

Rod Smith... #2 greatest Bronco of all time


Sell:

Darrent Williams not fielding punts... I don't care about the risk of injury... a special teams gamebreaker is priceless

Jake Plummer, the place-kicking holder... How hard can this job be?

The crazy pre-game MNF hype... how gay

Lenny Walls... just imagine the salary he will command next year, even though he sucks balls right now. He will go the way of Heyward.

[DBroncos4life]

Buy: Denver opening up the O...Hell I saw Plummer even audible out of a play at the line.

[2KBack]

Buy:
Darrent Williams starting opposite of (in theory) Champ Bailey....

Big money for the re-aquisition of Ian Gold.... I'll be honest and say that I WAS a critic

Kyle Johnson...

The BIG NICKEL package... shutting down the likes of Gates and Gonzales

The Browncos... serving piping-hot crow to the likes of Adam Shine and John Riggins

Rod Smith... #2 greatest Bronco of all time


Sell:

Darrent Williams not fielding punts... I don't care about the risk of injury... a special teams gamebreaker is priceless

Jake Plummer, the place-kicking holder... How hard can this job be?

The crazy pre-game MNF hype... how gay

Lenny Walls... just imagine the salary he will command next year, even though he sucks balls right now. He will go the way of Heyward.

I agree on a lot of that.

I actually like Plummer as the placekick holder, that leaves so much room for possible fakes. Even if you only run one once, it'll stick in the minds of the opponents.

Lenny can leave via free agency if he wants, Darrent has already passed him, and I like what I've seen from Foxworth. Even if Lenny plays great this season, I see him as gone.

[Rock Chalk]

If Lenny plays great and doesnt ask for too much, keep him. Can NEVER have too much good depth in the secondary. Wish we could have kept Kelly Herndon too,

[2KBack]

If Lenny plays great and doesnt ask for too much, keep him. Can NEVER have too much good depth in the secondary. Wish we could have kept Kelly Herndon too,

Asking for too much could be the issue, he seems to think he is hot ****.

[ludo21]

If Lenny plays great and doesnt ask for too much, keep him. Can NEVER have too much good depth in the secondary. Wish we could have kept Kelly Herndon too,


Agree, and Walls wants to be here. Evidence of that: Fired the Devil, and hired a Denver based agent.


I like Plummer holding, he did a good job.

I do agree that DW should be the PR man. You can get hurt walking down the stairs (didnt Griese trip over his dog?? lol) No more risk him doing PR than corner, let him play the position he was drafted for!!

[Rock Chalk]

Asking for too much could be the issue, he seems to think he is hot ****.
Thats why he fired Drew Rosenhaus, because he thinks he is hot ****. Thats why he hired a Denver based agent, because he thinks he is hot ****. Lenny wants to play here, of that I am certain.

[Taco John]

Buy:

Larry Coyer as the second best coach on this football team.

Ian Gold's attitude

Rod Freaking Smith

The Mile High Crowd


Sell:

Lenny Walls as a long term solution.

ABC trying to orchestrate fan excitement instead of just going for something genuine.

The Broncos Media Relations Department.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I like Walls... he has uncoachable size and physical ablility... I really dig his dumping of Drew.

My point is: he will command a king's ransom in a sellers market for cornerbacks. We won't be able to retain him, and we have a better replacement in Williams.

I don't want to see him go... but next year is his payday..

[missingnumber7]

Buy: shanny challengin Quittersons td and getting the catch taken away

[bro1ncos]

I like having Jake as a holder. He does a great job, and it opens up the possibility for a fake FG or XP when it might be needed.

[Taco John]

I like Walls... he has uncoachable size and physical ablility... I really dig his dumping of Drew.

My point is: he will command a king's ransom in a sellers market for cornerbacks. We won't be able to retain him, and we have a better replacement in Williams.

I don't want to see him go... but next year is his payday..



I don't know what to think of Walls. He hasn't done anything special with his size nor his physical ability. His play, so far, has been pretty average and his followthrough nearly non-existant

[Clockwork Orange]

Buy:

Darrent Williams starting at CB. His lack of size be damned, this kid can cover and tackle.

Rod Smith getting all the respect he deserves from his teammates, coaches and fans.

Jake only having to attempt 18 passes and the Broncos put 30 points on the board.

The defensive line coming together nicely. Pryce was dominant, but there were contributions from everywhere last night.

Sell:

Lenny Walls losing his focus on the Chefs lone garbage time TD. If he bothers to tackle Parker the drive ends and the final score is 30-3. You know it's bad when you're playing opposite a rookie and they pick on you instead of him. He's either really good or you're really bad.....in this case it's a bit of both.

Nick Ferguson's boneheaded stunts out there. He got nailed for roughing the passer on the Chefs first drive (which could have been disastrous) and then lucked out when the referee picked up the flag after he smacked Gonzo upside the helmet. Get your head in the game nitwit.

Todd Devoe being deactivated. Dammit.

[Clockwork Orange]

Oh, one other thing I forgot.

Buy:

DJ Williams being a team player and doing what his team asks of him without complaint. He's never played SAM before, he's dynamite as a WILL, but he slides over to the unfamiliar strong side spot because that's what the team thinks is best. His numbers are suffering for it, but the guy has never uttered a peep in protest of the move and has quietly done a teriffic job as he learns on the fly. At such a young age he's a pro's pro. There's veterans in this league that could learn a thing or two from him.

[Rock Chalk]

Im buying a lot of what you guys are buying but here's my list anyway:
Buy
-Darrent Williams as everything. Starting CB, PR, KR, ****ing WR if we have to.
-The toss play to Bell.
-More imaginative play calling.
-The Brownco's, mostly Brown and Warren, but the other two have done more than expected as well.
-Jake Plummer playing well in the pocket early in the game and not turning it over at all.
-Ian Gold as one of our OLBs.
-Al Wilson as our MLB.
-DJ Williams as our other OLB. As much of a beast as Pryce was last night, the linebackers were just as stellar. Wilson, Gold or Williams or a combo of any of them were near every rush, and most pass plays and just in general johnny on the spot. I noticed Al Wilson touch a guy down immediately even though he was down, but was not having another Harrison or Clayton debacle. Al came in hard on blitzes up the gut that brought extra pressure and more than once he was in Trent's face. Williams seemed to be near any damn tackle even remotely close to the LOS. All in all, a superb job.
-Sam Brandon covering Gonzo. Sam has come up big against KC in the past, specifically I remember a crucial third down stop he got on Priest Holmes last year or maybe the year before (think it was last year though).
-New blitzing schemes. Dont even bother hiding it just bring it bitch.
-Zone blocking. Holes were gaping, offensive line has really come together because despite gashing them for 221 yards total rushing, that is not a bad front seven we played against. Not the best by any means, but there are a lot worse out there and we still gashed them.
-Few penalties.
-Todd Saurkraut. I do believe that if he is the only one to beat, you better beat him, he looks like he can lay wood.
-Smashing of Dante Hall on numerous occassions both as returner and WR. :thumbs:
-A blocking Fullback.

Sell
-Secondary coverages still need work. If not for a few dropped balls and slight overthrows, KC has some big big gains on our secondary. Talent is there, the coverages need tweaking or the guys need to get better and remembering their assignments.
-Red zone run game. Still ugly guys. We pulled a couple out of "Hape"s on them, but how long are those types of plays going to work?
-Receiving game is not so hot guys. Rod Smith seems to be the only one earning a paycheck (though a case could be made for Charlie Adams since its such a small paycheck comparitively). Where the hell did Ashley go?
-The naked bootleg so often. Surely there are other plays we can run.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Forgot to buy:

Todd Saurbrun.... dude has been awesome on punts and kickoffs...

Charlie Adams.... the 3rd reciever

Forgot to sell:

Charlie Adams.... the punt returner

Gena Davis in drag...

The Rock taking a metaphorical dump on our lawn...

[BroncoBuff]

Sell: Darrent Williams not fielding punts... I don't care about the risk of injury... a special teams gamebreaker is priceless.

Lenny can leave via free agency if he wants, Darrent has already passed him, and I like what I've seen from Foxworth. Even if Lenny plays great this season, I see him as gone.

I agree, Doc. Not only because a special teams gamebreaker is priceless in the positive sense, but equally because a special teams fumble is a gamebreaker in the other direction! Did anybody notice Charlie the other night? In all the "happy-happy joy-joy," it's easy to forget that Charlie muffed ANOTHER one! He's doing great as a third WR, but it's a historical fact now that CHARLIE ADAMS DROPS EVERY THIRD PUNT HE FIELDS . . . going back to Monday night, this preseason, last year, last preseason, etc . . . D-Will should return punts, and if he's too tired, put Rod Smith back there again. It could easily be a W/L decision.

I don't know why everybody loves Dominique Foxworth so much. He has been flagged 5 or more times in just 7 games as a Bronco. Let's not compare him to Lenny Walls just yet.

In fact, the "obituary" on Lenny Walls is WAY too early. Walls was a real goat on the late KC touchdown ("bad" goat, not "Jerry Rice" goat) - in fact, the D was poised for a TD shutout, Vermeil's worse loss ever, etc... and Lenny tackled like a girl on the TD (although his coverage on the play was perfect, despite the all-out blitz). In fact, Lenny's coverage seems to be perfect almost all the time - and his reaction moves seem great to me - watching on TV, anyway. It's his tackling that sucks (vs. Miami, too). Now, with Champ hurt, we need Lenny.

[BroncoBuff]

BUY:

BVP as the holder! Get the kid on the field!!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Oh, one other thing I forgot.

Buy:

DJ Williams being a team player and doing what his team asks of him without complaint. He's never played SAM before, he's dynamite as a WILL, but he slides over to the unfamiliar strong side spot because that's what the team thinks is best. His numbers are suffering for it, but the guy has never uttered a peep in protest of the move and has quietly done a teriffic job as he learns on the fly. At such a young age he's a pro's pro. There's veterans in this league that could learn a thing or two from him.

And he is also doing a damn fine job.

Buy - Ian "expressing himself" to Quiterson

[24champ]

BUY- BOOTLEGS, PLAY ACTION, CHAMP BAILEY ,TREVOR PRYCE, MAKING OPPONENTS COACHES CRY ON POST-GAME CONFERENCES.

SELL- Lenny Walls.

[philiptr2]

BUY

- Rookie CB’s

- Lelie running the reverse (he was the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> leading rusher in the game)

- TD runs of over 40 yds – who says Mike isn’t a homerun threat

- Demetrin Veal (where did he come from?)

- Stadium Nacho Cart (during the game)

- Cecil Sapp making the most of his PT (I thought he was gonna get into the endzone)

- John Lynch making sure Dante Hall remembered him(I’m sure he doesn’t remember after Lynch’s hits)

- BVP jerseys all over Investco Field

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SELL

- Rarely using the tight ends

- Losing Priest long enough to let the Chefs run that middle screen

- Stadium Nacho Cart (after the game – my insides are still not recovered)

- Walls – how many times does he have to get beat?

[anthonypacino]

Buy: Williams starting, if Champ is out for two weeks at least it is these two weeks, Jaksonville and Wash are not offensive juggernauts, neither have premier WR's or QB's Williams is playing above a rookie level and should be more than able to step up

Buy: Jake holding, I talked about this last week, Sauerbran was the major prob with the missed kicks last week, I have tape of Plummer in college, I have not been able to review it yet but I believe that he held in college. And we need someone that can do the job to do it, if we can't get six we need to get something.

Sell: Everybodys idea that this is to set up the fake field goal, This is not Madden 06, how many of these plays do we see in Denver? In the NFL? not that many, and don't you think that they will notice Jake out there and maybe prepare for it? True Plummer could get hurt anytime but on a play that could be avoided, a trick play no way? Van Pelt would be the obvious choice in that situation, he is a bigger, stronger runner and a less obvious since it was common a few years ago for back up QB's to hold for kicks. Plummer is holding because he is the only one better than Sauerbraun and we can't afford to miss scoring chances.

[Ballhawk]

Buy:

The team chemistry
The trick plays, even when they do not work they keep Ds off balance

Sell:

MA as the starting RB, The HB is rarely used to block in this O. Bell is just a better runner at this point.

[BroncoInferno]

I don't know what to think of Walls. He hasn't done anything special with his size nor his physical ability. His play, so far, has been pretty average and his followthrough nearly non-existant

While I agree Lenny has not played well to start the season, people forget that he had a VERY solid 2003 campaign. He covered a given team's number one WR, and usually held his own. I believe he finished second in the league in passes defensed that year, too. Last year was pretty much a wash in his development, as he was injured and didn't play much. I think he will eventually kick the rust off and continue to improve upon the great potential he demonstrated in '03.

[BroncoBuff]

While I agree Lenny has not played well to start the season, people forget that he had a VERY solid 2003 campaign. He covered a given team's number one WR, and usually held his own. I believe he finished second in the league in passes defensed that year, too. Last year was pretty much a wash in his development, as he was injured and didn't play much. I think he will eventually kick the rust off and continue to improve upon the great potential he demonstrated in '03.
I agree completely! Suddenly it is "fashionable" to slam Lenny, but such a position is not supported by the facts. Sure, Lenny tackled like a girl on the TD MOnday, but Inferno is right about 2003 - Lenny was #2 in passes defensed - in either the AFC or the whole league. His coverage and closing speed has always been very good - still is. He's just not a great tackler as we saw Monday NIght and in Week 1 at Miami.

BUY: BVP as holder . . . Charlie Adams as #3 WR

SELL: Charlie Adams as punt returner . . . Ignoring Putzier like on Monday

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Buy:

A win against the Eagles, A healthy Willie Roaf

Sell:

Jordan Black, Larry Johnson, Samie Parker, Kendrell Bell

[DBroncos4life]

Buy:

A win against the Eagles, A healthy Willie Roaf

Sell:

Jordan Black, Larry Johnson, Samie Parker, Kendrell Bell


That isn't going to be a easy win even with Roaf and I don't care if its at home either.

[missingnumber7]

Sell:

Jordan Black, Larry Johnson, Samie Parker, Kendrell Bell
I don't think you could give away Parker or Bell

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That isn't going to be a easy win even with Roaf and I don't care if its at home either.

Roaf is out again. I'm expecting a beatdown.

[missingnumber7]

Roaf is out again. I'm expecting a beatdown.
The guys on monday night countdown were all talking about how the line as a whole is good but taking that 1 person out was murder. Philly may have a hayday with it...Green better have some good escape plans.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The guys on monday night countdown were all talking about how the line as a whole is good but taking that 1 person out was murder. Philly may have a hayday with it...Green better have some good escape plans.

Our ****ing coaching staff better not play the game like Roaf is in the lineup. That's what they tried to do last week.

We need to run the ball like a mother****er this week.

[SoCalBronco]

Roaf is out again. I'm expecting a beatdown.

Looks like they are holding McNabb together with tape though. He's trying to play through a sports hernia, rib and ankle injuries. I think Gunther is going to go after him pretty damn hard early on to get him out of the game. Donovan is really hanging by a string physically. If they can pound him a few times and get him out of the game, the Chiefs will win despite their OL problems. If I were Vermeil, id pack the gameplan with a heavy dose of inside and right side runs and the occasional trap and draw to Kearse's side to slow down his pass rush. Probably need to go to the Shotgun alot to give Trent a little more time and keep two backs in for pass protection. Even if the assigned LB doesnt come, help the OT on your side by chipping the DE for a count before releasing. This probably means there wont be alot of underneath passing game. You'll have to rely on 2 or 3 man combinations with the WRs and TEs and not incorporating the backs so much in the route combinations. Prolly more quick 3 step drop passes than usual as well to get it out fast and neutralize the pass rush.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Looks like they are holding McNabb together with tape though. He's trying to play through a sports hernia, rib and ankle injuries. I think Gunther is going to go after him pretty damn hard early on to get him out of the game. Donovan is really hanging by a string physically. If they can pound him a few times and get him out of the game, the Chiefs will win despite their OL problems. If I were Vermeil, id pack the gameplan with a heavy dose of inside and right side runs and the occasional trap and draw to Kearse's side to slow down his pass rush. Probably need to go to the Shotgun alot to give Trent a little more time and keep two backs in for pass protection. Even if the assigned LB doesnt come, help the OT on your side by chipping the DE for a count before releasing. This probably means there wont be alot of underneath passing game. You'll have to rely on 2 or 3 man combinations with the WRs and TEs and not incorporating the backs so much in the route combinations. Prolly more quick 3 step drop passes than usual as well to get it out fast and neutralize the pass rush.

That's all well and good, but I have just one question:

WHY THE **** DIDN'T WE DO THAT LAST WEEK?

Especially defensively. We were playing GROB defensive schemes all night.

[Clockwork Orange]

Our ****ing coaching staff better not play the game like Roaf is in the lineup. That's what they tried to do last week.

We need to run the ball like a mother****er this week.

You don't get much of a break there either. Black goes from facing Trevor Pryce last week to Javon Kearse this week. Yikes.

[Rock Chalk]

Finally the ****ing injury bug hits the Chefs where it will hurt.

God damn they finally got some of our luck.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You don't get much of a break there either. Black goes from facing Trevor Pryce last week to Javon Kearse this week. Yikes.

Kearse usually plays LE unless I am mistaken, but they usually move him around.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Finally the ****ing injury bug hits the Chefs where it will hurt.

God damn they finally got some of our luck.

Finally? We got the injury bug worse last year.

[Clockwork Orange]

Kearse usually plays LE unless I am mistaken, but they usually move him around.

They'll move him around just like the Broncos did with Pryce, though I doubt we'll see him lined up at DT as Pryce was here and there.

They'd better keep some help in there for Black. He's gonna need it.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Looks like they are holding McNabb together with tape though. He's trying to play through a sports hernia, rib and ankle injuries. I think Gunther is going to go after him pretty damn hard early on to get him out of the game. Donovan is really hanging by a string physically. If they can pound him a few times and get him out of the game, the Chiefs will win despite their OL problems. .


Trouble is the Squaws can't get a pass rush, especially inside. I think Pryce is right - something is wrong with Holmes and johnson is inconsistent. Squaws with no pass rush, no decent deep coverage and no wide recievers. Putting my money on Philly who I dislike as much or more than the squaws.

[24champ]

They dont give Priest Holmes enough carries, he knows what to do with the ball. This 2-back system isnt working when Roaf is out.

[Rock Chalk]

Looks like they are holding McNabb together with tape though. He's trying to play through a sports hernia, rib and ankle injuries. I think Gunther is going to go after him pretty damn hard early on to get him out of the game. Donovan is really hanging by a string physically. If they can pound him a few times and get him out of the game, the Chiefs will win despite their OL problems. If I were Vermeil, id pack the gameplan with a heavy dose of inside and right side runs and the occasional trap and draw to Kearse's side to slow down his pass rush. Probably need to go to the Shotgun alot to give Trent a little more time and keep two backs in for pass protection. Even if the assigned LB doesnt come, help the OT on your side by chipping the DE for a count before releasing. This probably means there wont be alot of underneath passing game. You'll have to rely on 2 or 3 man combinations with the WRs and TEs and not incorporating the backs so much in the route combinations. Prolly more quick 3 step drop passes than usual as well to get it out fast and neutralize the pass rush.

Im not buying, Detmer is a quality backup and can come in and win games against good teams. Even if McNabb goes out, they still have to worry about TO and Westbrook AND overcome that stingy defense.

[DBroncos4life]

Seems kind of old that the posters here kept saying that age is going to catch up with KC's O this year and many KC fans said that is BS because they had the number one O last year. If Roaf wasn't 35 I bet he would have been out a week at the most, now he's on 3 and a 1/2. Sheilds didn't look the same and Holmes and Green look lost. Oh if things don't change fast Green is going to have a hard time getting to 4000 yards passing again this year as well. With all that I still fear KC's O because of what they have done in the past but like I said its funny that things appear to be slowing down fast, just like it did for the aging Raiders...like we said it could.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Seems kind of old that the posters here kept saying that age is going to catch up with KC's O this year and many KC fans said that is BS because they had the number one O last year. If Roaf wasn't 35 I bet he would have been out a week at the most, now he's on 3 and a 1/2. Sheilds didn't look the same and Holmes and Green look lost. Oh if things don't change fast Green is going to have a hard time getting to 4000 yards passing again this year as well. With all that I still fear KC's O because of what they have done in the past but like I said its funny that things appear to be slowing down fast, just like it did for the aging Raiders...like we said it could.

You're way off base.

Our offense starts slow every year.

Before the Bronco game we were actually doing better than in years past.

[DBroncos4life]

You're way off base.

Our offense starts slow every year.

Before the Bronco game we were actually doing better than in years past.


So no reason to panic yet. We will see.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So no reason to panic yet. We will see.

Indeed. Chicken Little's reports notwithstanding.

[24champ]

You're way off base.

Our offense starts slow every year.

Before the Bronco game we were actually doing better than in years past.

how odd thats what the raider fans said too after their super bowl loss....

[GreatBronco16]

Buy: Denver opening up the O...Hell I saw Plummer even audible out of a play at the line.


Oh great, so I wasn't seeing things. I couldn't believe that. Is that the first time he has called audible in Denver? I believe the play actually had some positive yards IINM.