The Rod Smith hit...

[24champ]

Wasnt that Helmet to Helmet? Should the player get fined? I cant remember who hit him, there were two players but i was so pissed off i forget who it was????

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Should the player get fined?

Fvck yeah!

That was a cheap shot.

Reminded me of the Chokes vs. Broncos at Narrowhead in '97.

[bronco militia]

Rod Smith was a ball carrier, so according the rule, it's a legal hit.


just ask John Lynch

[24champ]

Fvck yeah!

That was a cheap shot.

Reminded me of the Chokes vs. Broncos at Narrowhead in '97.
Because if i remember it right, rod got hit and then as he was going down he got popped by some linebacker or lineman. Not sure??? Can someone clarify it?

[Rocket 7]

It looked like a legit hit to me. Both players went low and Rod got the worst of it. Shiit happens

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Didn't Kennedy get fined for the same thing?

[ZachKC]

Are you kidding?

[24champ]

I dont know looks like a helmet to helmet hit to me, went in with his head.....big no no. Look if Lynch is going to get fined for this sh!t then i want the same applied across the board.

[bronco militia]

Didn't Kennedy get fined for the same thing?

Kennedy and Lynch hit "defenseless recievers"

[Sideburn]

sigh. It was legal. Rod was a ball carrier. Once he gains possession and makes a football move he no longer carries the defenseless receiver tag. It really wasn't that bad. Rod just took the brunt of the collision. It happens.

[Dudeskey]

Wasnt that Helmet to Helmet? Should the player get fined? I cant remember who hit him, there were two players but i was so pissed off i forget who it was????

It was Sammy Knight, and I'll be surpised if he doesn't get a letter from the league before Wednesday...™

[Pat Bowlen]

That was a cheap shot.
Get a grip.

[Mediator12]

I dont know looks like a helmet to helmet hit to me, went in with his head.....big no no. Look if Lynch is going to get fined for this sh!t then i want the same applied across the board.

Wrong application. ONLY defenseless receivers get that protection. Smith was a ball carrier at that point and the hit was legal.

Dante Hall sure did DUCK when he saw Lynch coming tonight though, little pussy!

[24champ]

sigh. It was legal. Rod was a ball carrier. Once he gains possession and makes a football move he no longer carries the defenseless receiver tag. It really wasn't that bad. Rod just took the brunt of the collision. It happens.

Ok thats all I wanted to know, I wasnt familiar with the rules because they change it every frucking year to help the Colts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Does the fact that he was not a "defenseless receiver" make the helmet-to-helmet rule moot?

[shakenbake]

sigh. It was legal. Rod was a ball carrier. Once he gains possession and makes a football move he no longer carries the defenseless receiver tag. It really wasn't that bad. Rod just took the brunt of the collision. It happens.


im glad im not the only one who gets tired of explaing this.

[Sideburn]

Wrong application. ONLY defenseless receivers get that protection. Smith was a ball carrier at that point and the hit was legal.

Dante Hall sure did DUCK when he saw Lynch coming tonight though, little p***Y!
Yeah that was great. Reminded me of Pussyton dodging hits last year.

[Atlas]

The announcers were saying helmet to helmet but it looked clean to me. Looked like he hit Rod with forearm and shoulder pads.

[bronco militia]

Does the fact that he was not a "defenseless receiver" make the helmet-to-helmet rule moot?

unless it's the QB, yes

[Sideburn]

Does the fact that he was not a "defenseless receiver" make the helmet-to-helmet rule moot?
To the refs yes. If not, RBs would draw a penalty every down. To the league office, hard to say. Knight might get fined for it. We'll see. The front office likes to fine for hits similar.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Get a grip.

???

[Pat Bowlen]

It was Sammy Knight, and I'll be surpised if he doesn't get a letter from the league before Wednesday...™
"Dear Sammy,

Had a great time watching you guys embarress yourselves on Monday. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

Love,
Paul"

[GreatBronco16]

Dante Hall sure did DUCK when he saw Lynch coming tonight though, little p***Y!


LOL That was allmost the best part of the game.

[Ratboy]

He wasnt defensless. It's legal, He put his head down and go the first when he could have walked out of bounds 2 yards short.

[DomCasual]

Wasnt that Helmet to Helmet? Should the player get fined? I cant remember who hit him, there were two players but i was so pissed off i forget who it was????

It would be stupid if they fined him. I wouldn't be surprised, but it would still be stupid. It's football.

[Dudeskey]

"Dear Sammy,

Had a great time watching you guys embarress yourselves on Monday. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

Love,
Paul"

LOL classic...™

[24champ]

I just didnt know the rules regarding helmet to helmet. I dont like it when any player whether it is Rod Smith or not sit there and lay motionless for a couple seconds. Just not cool but Rod was trying to get the first down if i remember correctly....

[wyobronco]

Dante Hall sure did DUCK when he saw Lynch coming tonight though, little p***Y!


He's got unusually short arms, even for a short guy!

[GreatBronco16]

Dante Hall sure did DUCK when he saw Lynch coming tonight though, little p***Y!


Anyone have a pic of that play? I would love to make it my avatar for a while. Rep to anyone who can provide one.

[2KBack]

They can't call illegal just because a guy got roughed up a bit. I was pissed that Knight and Johnson looked down at a motionless Rod and gave victory fist pumps, you don't celebrate hurting a guy.

[24champ]

They can't call illegal just because a guy got roughed up a bit. I was pissed that Knight and Johnson looked down at a motionless Rod and gave victory fist pumps, you don't celebrate hurting a guy.

~Popps~ that just added fuel to the fire, god that got me so pissed.

[ZachKC]

They can't call illegal just because a guy got roughed up a bit. I was pissed that Knight and Johnson looked down at a motionless Rod and gave victory fist pumps, you don't celebrate hurting a guy.
The dude was down for maybe a second when they did that...they didn't notice he was "down down" till they walked away.

This is a reach.

[2KBack]

The dude was down for maybe a second when they did that...they didn't notice he was "down down" till they walked away.

This is a reach.

I thought that was the case maybe, but come on, watch that hit, he goes instantly limp. Are you telling me that the guy standing there looking down at him in that position doesn't realize a guy is hurt? Plus if you watch the replay Johnson specifically looks down at Rod for a second before he celebrates. I wasn't pissed until I saw the replay.

[Ugly Duck]

I just didnt know the rules regarding helmet to helmet.

Rule change: 1996

"Hits with the helmet or to the head by the defender will be flagged as personal fouls and subject to fines. This is being done to protect the offense, particularly the quarterback."


http://www.steelersfever.com/nfl_history_of_rules.html

"When a ball is in player possession, the tackler can legally hit helmet-to-helmet. It becomes a foul when an unprotected receiver misses the ball and is subsequently hit, helmet-to-helmet. In the play that you refer to, the pass was caught and then the hit came, possibly helmet-to-helmet, which was perfectly legal." - NFL referee Jerry Markbreit

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/askthereferee/cs-050119jerrymarkbreitsanswers,1,5440703.story?coll= cs-bears-asktheref-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They can't call illegal just because a guy got roughed up a bit. I was pissed that Knight and Johnson looked down at a motionless Rod and gave victory fist pumps, you don't celebrate hurting a guy.

Yep.

Even if it wasn't illegal, it sure was classless - but that's the chokes for you.

[Rocket 7]

Yep.

Even if it wasn't illegal, it sure was classless - but that's the chokes for you.
Every team has players that will do that. Remember Eric Brown laughing after he broke Antonio Freeman's jaw in a preseason game several years ago

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Every team has players that will do that. Remember Eric Brown laughing after he broke Antonio Freeman's jaw in a preseason game several years ago

Yep.

Eric Brown is a punk.

[clean]

im glad im not the only one who gets tired of explaing this.

Regretfully, you expressed a lot of frustration without providing a satisfactory explanation that would benefit our fellow board members. The following link provides a helpful summary:

http://www.ccchronicle.com/back/2002_fall/2002-12-09/sports4.html

Quarterback in the act of throwing.
Quarterback on change of possession (fumble/interception).
Wide receiver in the act of catching.
Running back who is in the grasp of a defender and has lost his forward momentum or has stopped.
Punt returner in the act of catching.
Player who is down (spearing).