Pryce...dude....my bad/Trevor Mfking Pryce (merged)

[Garcia Bronco]

I want to say sorry to pryce for all that **** I was talking this off-season....keep it up brother.

[SHANARAT]

Don't start swapping spit with him just yet....He looked like a schoolgirl against the Dolphins.

[Jason in LA]

The Chiefs O line cheated Pryce out of like 5 sacks tonight because they held him so much. He was a beast. Unblockable. Every play he was beating his man, and a lot of time he was beating the double team.

[Broncoman13]

Don't start swapping spit with him just yet....He looked like a schoolgirl against the Dolphins.


Dude you're a ****ing idiot!!! HE has been all over TrInt all night long. Waters can't block him, Shields couldn't block him.... you couldn't stop him with a double team!!!!

I hope you go to sleep tonight and hear IN-COM-PLETE in your dreams. ****ER!

[DB-Freak]

Actually the one's he made the plays and got called for holding was against ONE V ONE against OT's.

I credit him for making plays in double teams.............

BUt he is still overrated.

[Bronco9798]

He was a beast.

[Garcia Bronco]

Actually the one's he made the plays and got called for holding was against ONE V ONE against OT's.

I credit him for making plays in double teams.............

BUt he is still overrated.


He might be overated the other 364 days of the year....but not today.

[TheManeMan]

I'm a proud parent tonight...

I'm sure Elsid is aswell...

[DivineLegion]

Actually the one's he made the plays and got called for holding was against ONE V ONE against OT's.

I credit him for making plays in double teams.............

BUt he is still overrated.


BS they just did a replay of him getting big pressure and 5/10 times he was double teamed and still hit Green...

[DB-Freak]

"Damn you're putting him on a pedestal.........like like Prycialoth."

[SHANARAT]

Dude you're a ****ing idiot!!! HE has been all over TrInt all night long. Waters can't block him, Shields couldn't block him.... you couldn't stop him with a double team!!!!

I hope you go to sleep tonight and hear IN-COM-PLETE in your dreams. ****ER!


:giggle: ...I knew that would get someone pissed!...No...He deserves a gameball for sure...But I thought KC's starting Tackles were inactive for the game?

[Broncoman13]

:giggle: ...I knew that would get someone pissed!...No...He deserves a gameball for sure...But I thought KC's starting Tackles were inactive for the game?


Trevor was on his game tonight... When he's blowing through OG's like Shields and Waters....he's in the zone!

[Liebs]

I want to say sorry to pryce for all that **** I was talking this off-season....keep it up brother.
thats cool you gave him props after dissing him.

i never left the pryce band wagon, he's always been my favorite player. like i said in the chat room all night " he can take over a game mfers"

[Mastermind2002]

It's good to see the old Pryce back!

[-Slap-]

He finally has some help and he's healthy again.

[Garcia Bronco]

I can't remember him doing that well before. Roaf was a huge loss for them tonight

[DB-Freak]

It's good to see the old Pryce back!
You mean like disappearing from critcal games?

Where he is supposed to be the real difference maker, but just totally disappears?

Yea sounds like Pryce.

Until this guy can play like this more, still on the overrated side.

And more consistenly period.

[-Slap-]

You mean like disappearing from critcal games?

Where he is supposed to be the real difference maker, but just totally disappears?

Yea sounds like Pryce.

Until this guy can play like this more, still on the overrated side.

And more consistenly period.
Pro Bowler four times and playing like an All Pro this season.

Usually with garbage lining up alongside him, until this season.

Believe whatever you want to believe, though.

[Merlin]

Pro Bowler four times and playing like an All Pro this season.

Usually with garbage lining up alongside him, until this season.
I don't usually do this, but this bears repeating.

Merlin

[Ratboy]

Pryce played at a pro bowl level, keep it up pryce, Keep it up!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Don't start swapping spit with him just yet....He looked like a schoolgirl against the Dolphins.

If Pryce is a "schoolgirl" then what does that make the entire McChiefs' offense?

A: Somebody's prison b*tch.

:D

[DB-Freak]

Pro Bowler four times and playing like an All Pro this season.

Usually with garbage lining up alongside him, until this season.

Believe whatever you want to believe, though.
Garbage or not true players of dominance play through double team and excel through it.

Consistently.

Taking the highest cap value out of all DL last year and probably this year and this team, he better have more games like that.

[DB-Freak]

By the way, His days at DT was more than deserved in the probowl.

His days at DE are questionable.

W/e I'm done.

Pryce is god now and who am I to argue.

[Cito Pelon]

Off the Pryce topic, but something I saw tonite that I like was seeing DL's pursuing downfield once the play was past them. Hell, Warren was trying to chase Parker down on KC's lone TD.

[DB-Freak]

I don't remember which year exactly, but I remember Pryce putting up a similar performance against seattle few years back.

Where he had like 9 QB pressures.

[Bronco LB 59]

Pryce is still playing at his 2003 level which was probably the best season of his career even though he didn't have the sexiest numbers.

[Mediator12]

Pryce was out ALL last year. He had a poor Playoff game versus INDY in 2003. Otherwise, he has been rock solid with the double teams and NOW he does have help up front. The Chiefs were holding almost every passing down and a lot of running down's. Difference this year is our DL fought through it and got the OBvious flags!

[DB-Freak]

Waiting until the season is over first...............

Tick tock tick tock...................

[-Slap-]

I think its funny that a guy has an All World game and people act like it should happen every week. The other side is trying to win, too. They tend to identify players like Pryce and devote extra attention to stopping him.

Who was Pryce's best linemate over the last five seasons?

Reggie Hayward. A guy so good we didn't even try to keep him this year.

[RedskinBronco]

Pryce is the man. we missed him big time last year. No pressure whatsoever last year. Some money plays by him and the rest of the browncos. I must say what happened to Coyer? was he kidnapped? did we get a new coordinator? Coyer is starting to look like Gregg Williams with all these blitz calls.

[DB-Freak]

I think its funny that a guy has an All World game and people act like it should happen every week.

I never said that slap.



Reggie Hayward. A guy so good we didn't even try to keep him this year.

Second I never said he sucked or anything. I always gave him credit for being good-great-at times borderline elite player who can get off blocks consistently when he has his game on.

And unless someone better than him is here, he will always be the center of attention, but the thing is when we find someone better than pryce.....is pryce worth the tag he has now?

[BigPlayShay]

There will be many a thread started to praise Bronco play, but I wanted to start this one. Big Trev was all over the place tonight. Carry on...

[OrangeShadow]

they held him countless times and he STILL go through he was a freakin animal last night

[watermock]

There were about 3 blatant holding calls that the officials simply ignored.

[watermock]

Complain Shanny, what's another 20 bucks?

[Drek]

I knew when Roaf was out that Trev had a big night in him. Very well might have been the key to the game for us.

[Atlas]

I knew when Roaf was out that Trev had a big night in him. Very well might have been the key to the game for us.

The fact is Pryce moved around and NOBODY could block him. We have always seen Pryce play and take the double teams making life easier for Berry or Hayward BUT now it seems to me that Warren is taking up two blockers in the middle freeing up Pryce. This is great news!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

If the chiefs didn't hold the crap out of Pryce I would have won in my fastasy league...Walls....you fuggin suck.

[Drek]

And unless someone better than him is here, he will always be the center of attention, but the thing is when we find someone better than pryce.....is pryce worth the tag he has now? Pryce is on contract, not tagged, so unless he gets cut he's here, and cutting him has a big fat off-season crippling cap penalty.

He played great tonight, I'm not going to proclaim him Hawaii bound, but he made a first big step towards that tonight. Our DL as a whole is vastly improved though. Here's hoping they stay healthy and keep pressuring QBs.

[fontaine]

And unless someone better than him is here, he will always be the center of attention, but the thing is when we find someone better than pryce.....is pryce worth the tag he has now?

At the original price tag of around $9million, no he was not worth it.

But since he took a pay cut and is suffering no ill effects from that back injury, and is back to playing great, then hell yes. He's worth it especially with Brown and his injury history.

[watermock]

not at 9 million he isn't.

[fontaine]

The fact is Pryce moved around and NOBODY could block him. We have always seen Pryce play and take the double teams making life easier for Berry or Hayward BUT now it seems to me that Warren is taking up two blockers in the middle freeing up Pryce. This is great news!!!!

Yeah, Warren really has started the season well and getting good interior pressure. Having that DT in there really makes a difference to the bookend DEs and I hope Warren can keep it up. Shanahan said that he wouldn't be surprised if Warren was good enough for the pro-bowl and it looks like he wasn't bluffing.

If he can keep this up, then I have no problem trying to resign him before he becomes a free agent.

[Garcia Bronco]

Pryce did a great job, but had Roaf played it would have been a different story.

[-Slap-]

Pryce did a great job, but had Roaf played it would have been a different story.
Why? If Roaf played, he would have been far less than 100%. I think Trevor would have abused him, too.

[Garcia Bronco]

Pryce did a great job, but had Roaf played and been healthy it would have been a different story.

[Mile High Shack]

Pryce really manned up last night

I was very, very very very impressed

He looked like Trevor of old out there, he was unblockable

I give it up to Trevor :)

[BroncoInferno]

Pryce did a great job, but had Roaf played and been healthy it would have been a different story.

I'm not so sure about that, Garcia. Coyer had Pryce moving all over the line. It wasn't just the tackle he abused. He abused Shields a couple of times as well.

[x123z]

How about Engleburger hittin Priest on the screen pass?

[Garcia Bronco]

I think we also have a situation where Warren at DT is taking up some space and leaving Pryce free.

[Spider]

It is amazing what Pryce can do when he has some real help on the Dline .....

[laryl]

What about Courtney Brown?? To have a guy like this on that D-line should give Trevor more opportunities!!

[freak6]

Those holding calls are almost as good as sacks.

WAR PRYCE

[Garcia Bronco]

He might be overated the other 364 days of the year....but not today. repost

[Garcia Bronco]

Those holding calls are almost as good as sacks.

WAR PRYCE


Not in fantasy football

[Popps]

Pryce's best line-mate over the last 5 years? I don't know, Bert Berry ring a bell? He's racked up double digit sacks over the last few seasons. Heyward had 10 last year. Reagor is off to a good start this year. Is that how we judge linemen's play... by who they're playing next to?

Dwight Freeny tears up other teams every Sunday no matter who's lined up next to him.

Pryce finally took over a game. He's one of the highest played players on our team.
It's been YEARS since he's taken over a game. Stars (should) do that on a regular basis.

Props to him for a great game.

[Willynowei]

Pryce's best line-mate over the last 5 years? I don't know, Bert Berry ring a bell? He's racked up double digit sacks over the last few seasons. Heyward had 10 last year. Reagor is off to a good start this year. Is that how we judge linemen's play... by who they're playing next to?

Dwight Freeny tears up other teams every Sunday no matter who's lined up next to him.

Pryce finally took over a game. He's one of the highest played players on our team.
It's been YEARS since he's taken over a game. Stars (should) do that on a regular basis.

Props to him for a great game.

Tracking a D-lineman by his sacks is like tracking a cornerback by his interceptions. By your account Deltha Oneal and Troy James from Cinci are the two best corners in the league.

Often you have situations where for instance, Jason Taylor used to force the QB to scramble right into the arms of a waiting Ogunleyea who had 16 sacks one year or when Peppers and Jenkins would crash the pocket and you've got Rucker and Buckner getting most of the sacks in Carolina. Not syaying Rucker or Ogunleyea are bad, but the year Jason Taylor had his best year, Ogunleyea took all the credit. Sacks just don't matter that much. Good D-linemen leaves all the glory to the others on his team, they get picks, they get sacks for teamates, they get tackles for loses, but they rarely get the sack for themself they deserve so much.

Dwight Freeny plays with the most underated D-tackle in the NFL in Larry Trippelette.

A pressure against Will Shields is like 10 pressures against some unknown blocking for Cleveland.

Trevor was not getting held by second team tackles, i saw him tear up Brian Waters who I saw throw around John Henderson and Marcus Stroud like ragged dolls. This is the same Chief O-line that dominates the Pantherns vaunted D-line and Jags D-line minus the tackles. even so, you've got Wiegleman, Waters and Shields in the middle, the best interior in the league by heads and shoulders.

Trevor Pryce played like the best D-lineman in the NFL last night, not just up to his paycheck.

[fontaine]

Pryce's best line-mate over the last 5 years? I don't know, Bert Berry ring a bell? He's racked up double digit sacks over the last few seasons. Heyward had 10 last year. Reagor is off to a good start this year. Is that how we judge linemen's play... by who they're playing next to?

Dwight Freeny tears up other teams every Sunday no matter who's lined up next to him.

Pryce finally took over a game. He's one of the highest played players on our team.
It's been YEARS since he's taken over a game. Stars (should) do that on a regular basis.

Props to him for a great game.

Freeney gets too much hype. Yes he makes plays with his speed. But get's tossed around against the run. I'd take an all around DE like Pryce over Freeney if they were the same age.

[NFLBRONCO]

Props to Trevor he was a madman last night. I just hope he brings it in Nov Dec Jan.

[DB-Freak]

Well, if Hercules is right, his cap should be like 9-11 million next year.

Unless something crazy happens, Pryce is gone.

[NFLBRONCO]

Well, if Hercules is right, his cap should be like 9-11 million next year.

Unless something crazy happens, Pryce is gone.

Well the good news his trade value just increased after last night.

[Broncoman13]

Those holding calls are almost as good as sacks.

WAR PRYCE


I beg to differ. What is a holding penalty known as? A drive killer! I don't have the exact #'s in front of me, but I remember looking at them a few weeks ago. It's something like 23% of the time a team will pick up a first down after a holding penalty. That is big! I'm not sure what that # is on sacks but I seriously doubt it's any better!

[Broncoman13]

Freeney gets too much hype. Yes he makes plays with his speed. But get's tossed around against the run. I'd take an all around DE like Pryce over Freeney if they were the same age.


Dude, I'm seriously starting to wonder if you watch football? Freeney gets manhandled in run d? I guess you haven't watched much Colt football. Why don't you give Jamal Lewis a holler and ask him about Dwight Freeney vs the run. He pasted him twice behind the LOS!!!

[elsid13]

I glad to see the Pryce was back, but this defense line still has not completely jellied. When it does watch out.

[Cito Pelon]

How about Engleburger hittin Priest on the screen pass?

Are you thinking of when Engelberger crushed Gonzalez? I believe Engelberger was on a stunt circling from DE to rush Green in the middle, saw Gonzalez get the pass, and just hammered him. That's smart play, awareness of what's going on. That's the difference between this team and some that I've seen in the past. There's a lot more guys making plays this year than in some past years. Ferguson is playing pretty darn well, taking good angles and making the one-on-one tackles. ST play has improved a lot. Less holes, and they close a lot faster. I'm seeing pretty solid team play right now.

[elsid13]

This is Pryce news conference after the game:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=913&videoID=892

[bronco militia]

Freeney gets too much hype. Yes he makes plays with his speed. But get's tossed around against the run. I'd take an all around DE like Pryce over Freeney if they were the same age.

I like trevor pryce too, but this is just crazy talk.... :pigsfly:

[OrangeShadow]

its not like roaf would of made a difference. pryce beat shields numerous times and waters

[-Slap-]

Tracking a D-lineman by his sacks is like tracking a cornerback by his interceptions. By your account Deltha Oneal and Troy James from Cinci are the two best corners in the league.

Often you have situations where for instance, Jason Taylor used to force the QB to scramble right into the arms of a waiting Ogunleyea who had 16 sacks one year or when Peppers and Jenkins would crash the pocket and you've got Rucker and Buckner getting most of the sacks in Carolina. Not syaying Rucker or Ogunleyea are bad, but the year Jason Taylor had his best year, Ogunleyea took all the credit. Sacks just don't matter that much. Good D-linemen leaves all the glory to the others on his team, they get picks, they get sacks for teamates, they get tackles for loses, but they rarely get the sack for themself they deserve so much.

Dwight Freeny plays with the most underated D-tackle in the NFL in Larry Trippelette.

A pressure against Will Shields is like 10 pressures against some unknown blocking for Cleveland.

Trevor was not getting held by second team tackles, i saw him tear up Brian Waters who I saw throw around John Henderson and Marcus Stroud like ragged dolls. This is the same Chief O-line that dominates the Pantherns vaunted D-line and Jags D-line minus the tackles. even so, you've got Wiegleman, Waters and Shields in the middle, the best interior in the league by heads and shoulders.

Trevor Pryce played like the best D-lineman in the NFL last night, not just up to his paycheck.

Great post. People only see the stars on their own teams on a weekly basis. They see highlights from other team's stars on PrimeTime, but they don't see the games where Michael Strahan or Jason Taylor or Jevon Kearse are neutralized all game long. If they do see it, they don't really notice because they don't really care about the game and they're not living and dying on every play, like they do with the home team.

Playoff game, we're getting ****hammered and Jake can't lead water downhill, much less our offense to a single first down. People want to jump Pryce's ass because he's not sacking Peyton Manning every other play, though. All you can do is laugh.

[Rock Chalk]

Great post. People only see the stars on their own teams on a weekly basis. They see highlights from other team's stars on PrimeTime, but they don't see the games where Michael Strahan or Jason Taylor or Jevon Kearse are neutralized all game long. If they do see it, they don't really notice because they don't really care about the game and they're not living and dying on every play, like they do with the home team.

Playoff game, we're getting ****hammered and Jake can't lead water downhill, much less our offense to a single first down. People want to jump Pryce's ass because he's not sacking Peyton Manning every other play, though. All you can do is laugh.
Well, Jake is still the only Denver QB on the roster who has actually led a team to win in the playoffs.

Can't really blame Jake for losing to Indy in their house both years. Clearly Indy was a better team. They manhandled the whole team much like Denver manhandled KC last night. Good times when we do the manhandling, not so good when the manhandling gets done to us.

What I find hilarious is that Denver wins, it wasnt Jakes doing. Denver loses, its all Jake's fault.

If Denver loses a game, its because EVERYONE was playing bad. This team is better than that to have one or two players screw up the whole shebang. If Denver wins its because most people played well. Denver has won with Jake having a bad day, with Portis having a bad day, but Denver has never won when the whole team forgets to show up.

Pryce is a beast, but to be fair to the haters, he has disappeared entirely some games. We all knew Pryce was capable of that type of game, what we are STILL not sure of is if he can keep it up the entire year.

[-Slap-]

Pryce is a beast, but to be fair to the haters, he has disappeared entirely some games. We all knew Pryce was capable of that type of game, what we are STILL not sure of is if he can keep it up the entire year.

Rest assured, he's not going to play like that every week. That is apparently the expectation, though.

[DB-Freak]

Rest assured, he's not going to play like that every week. That is apparently the expectation, though.
A performance like that every week would be out of this world and not what I expect out of Pryce. He does that every week for this season, we are winning the superbowl.



Just more consistency and a bit more of flair in playmaking.

[-Slap-]

A performance like that every week would be out of this world and not what I expect out of Pryce. He does that every week for this season, we are winning the superbowl.



Just more consistency and a bit more of flair in playmaking.
I'm very happy to see he lost some weight. All defensive ends should do that as they get older to compensate for loss of burst. Obviously the guys who are naturally lean don't have that option, but Pryce had a few spare pounds he could shed.

Have you seen how light Strahan is playing this year? He's probably around 250 pounds now.

[ScottXray]

A performance like that every week would be out of this world and not what I expect out of Pryce. He does that every week for this season, we are winning the superbowl.



Just more consistency and a bit more of flair in playmaking.

I'd be happy if he played like that Half of every game...or every OTHER week. Even Quarter a week. Just don't disappear for weeks at a time.
With the rest of the line now healthy {Warren, Brown, etc) (Knocking on wood!) ONE of them should have good games every week. That line is a monster when it's turned loose. Against the run and the pass.

Good for us, bad for the other teams..

Rep to the D-line and to Pryce this week especially. zowie!

[DB-Freak]

A game like that every other week...................League MVP and arguably the most dominant season a DL has ever put up.

No.

[DB-Freak]

I'm very happy to see he lost some weight. All defensive ends should do that as they get older to compensate for loss of burst. Obviously the guys who are naturally lean don't have that option, but Pryce had a few spare pounds he could shed.

Have you seen how light Strahan is playing this year? He's probably around 250 pounds now.
Yup, I agree.

I hated it when he was playing as a 300 pound DE. He was just wore out and started disappearing.

285 by no means light but I think it could really help him in the long term.

Im hoping for a pretty big season from him.

[ScottXray]

A game like that every other week...................League MVP and arguably the most dominant season a DL has ever put up.

No.

I can dream. Yeah it would be a MONSTER season if it was every other week.

Course they did it for 6 quarters now (out of 12). Actually they let up a little in the 4th. So 5 qtrs out of 12. Add two for the 1st half Miami game when the D kept alive.

7 out of 12... BETTER than 50%
:pigsfly:

[Cito Pelon]

Something the DL as a whole should be proud of is when Parker scored KC's lone TD, 61 and 91 came off the pass rush and tried to chase him down.

That's stud DL play right there. That's very studly DL play. Props to 98 also for chasing down plays that got past him at the LOS. I've been looking for that for several years, and now I get to see it. Man, I love that from DL's. That's one of the things that separate the contenders from the pretenders. I guess those Browncos came in and showed the rest of the Bronco DL how to hustle.

[2KBack]

Something the DL as a whole should be proud of is when Parker scored KC's lone TD, 61 and 91 came off the pass rush and tried to chase him down.

That's stud DL play right there. That's very studly DL play. Props to 98 also for chasing down plays that got past him at the LOS. I've been looking for that for several years, and now I get to see it. Man, I love that from DL's. That's one of the things that separate the contenders from the pretenders. I guess those Browncos came in and showed the rest of the Bronco DL how to hustle.

I get the sense that Warren is thrilled to be on a competitive defense. He looked pissed when Parker scored, I love it when a player takes that much pride in the performance of his squad.

[Odysseus]

Props to the Browncos for helping Pryce get back some respect.

[Garcia Bronco]

Props to the Browncos for helping Pryce get back some respect.


Couldn't have done it without the other guys.

[Ballhawk]

I think we are going to be seeing a different player step up each and every week on this DL. Last week CB, this week Pryce. Opposing OL coaches are going to start having fits with blocking schemes if we get this kind of play each week from the unit. Warren had a very good game also against a top interior line.

[RhymesayersDU]

Courtney Brown just keeps getting to that football.

It's a shame that the Browns DLine suck and Shanny is on the hot seat.

[Atlas]

I think we are going to be seeing a different player step up each and every week on this DL. Last week CB, this week Pryce. Opposing OL coaches are going to start having fits with blocking schemes if we get this kind of play each week from the unit. Warren had a very good game also against a top interior line.

CB and Warren have both played well the last two games. I wonder what Cleveland fan is saying?

[Ballhawk]

CB and Warren have both played well the last two games. I wonder what Cleveland fan is saying?

Clev D has been very decent so far, so they can not be too dismayed. I just think that Warren mostof all needed a new home. EE and Meyers both played well last year and CB has always played well if healthy. JE and the return of Pryce just makes this unit very deep. Hope it stays that way as I think they will still get better than we have seen so far.

[anthonypacino]

Trevor played well last night as did the rest of the line at times. They could get a little tougher in short yardage situations, when KC ran on 3rd and short they had a little too much success for my taste, however on the 3rd down passing D was excellent IMO props for the D-line in those situations. I'm not ready to give Trevor the all-pro label just yet I don't think Roaf was in and he did not face a whole lot of difficulty at the end.

[fontaine]

Dude, I'm seriously starting to wonder if you watch football? Freeney gets manhandled in run d? I guess you haven't watched much Colt football. Why don't you give Jamal Lewis a holler and ask him about Dwight Freeney vs the run. He pasted him twice behind the LOS!!!

Yes, one game this season where Freeney made two plays against the run says more about him than his entire three year career previously where that Colts DL was lousy against the run.

Uhh

But I guess Freeney must have racked up the points in FF for you so that means he must be great.

[Liebs]

I think its funny that a guy has an All World game and people act like it should happen every week. The other side is trying to win, too. They tend to identify players like Pryce and devote extra attention to stopping him.

Who was Pryce's best linemate over the last five seasons?

Reggie Hayward. A guy so good we didn't even try to keep him this year.
actually no it was betrand berry

[BroncoBuff]

actually no it was betrand berry

I agree - it was Bertrand Berry. - but that's in the last 5 years ONLY - gotta remember Neil Smith and Alfred Williams before that.

[BroncoBuff]

What about Courtney Brown?? To have a guy like this on that D-line should give Trevor more opportunities!!
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but isn't it a bit too soon to put Courtney Brown ahead of . . .

Alfred Williams
Neil Smith
Maa Tanuvasa
Montae Reagor
Bert Berry

After all, Courtney has barely played TWO GAMES! He missed the whole preseason, too. Jury is still way, WAY out on Courtney, especially with his history.

[BroncoBuff]

Tracking a D-lineman by his sacks is like tracking a cornerback by his interceptions. By your account Deltha Oneal and Troy James from Cinci are the two best corners in the league.

Often you have situations where for instance, Jason Taylor used to force the QB to scramble right into the arms of a waiting Ogunleyea who had 16 sacks one year or when Peppers and Jenkins would crash the pocket and you've got Rucker and Buckner getting most of the sacks in Carolina. Not syaying Rucker or Ogunleyea are bad, but the year Jason Taylor had his best year, Ogunleyea took all the credit. Sacks just don't matter that much. Good D-linemen leaves all the glory to the others on his team, they get picks, they get sacks for teamates, they get tackles for loses, but they rarely get the sack for themself they deserve so much.

Dwight Freeny plays with the most underated D-tackle in the NFL in Larry Trippelette.

A pressure against Will Shields is like 10 pressures against some unknown blocking for Cleveland.

Trevor was not getting held by second team tackles, i saw him tear up Brian Waters who I saw throw around John Henderson and Marcus Stroud like ragged dolls. This is the same Chief O-line that dominates the Pantherns vaunted D-line and Jags D-line minus the tackles. even so, you've got Wiegleman, Waters and Shields in the middle, the best interior in the league by heads and shoulders.

Trevor Pryce played like the best D-lineman in the NFL last night, not just up to his paycheck.

Excellent points.

But tell me then - why isn't the "10 Million Dollar Man" aka "Diamond Reg Hayward" not getting any sacks with the Jags despite those two grizzlies in the middle - Henderson and Stroud?

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Hayward is doing just fine for Jacksonville. He knocked Jay Feidler out of the game last week with the Jets. His hit on Matt Hasselbeck in game one forced a fumble and landed Hasselbeck on the injury list for the following week's game.