Lenny Walls

[bloodsunday]

Comments?

[bloodsunday]

Did he lose his starting job to Darrent? About time. He sucks. That tackle he missed on KCs scoring drive was bush league. It doesn't get any easier at this level.

[BroncosMT]

Man he totally sucks....He can't tackle....I think we should dump him and find someone who can tackle. That's pwderpuff stuff.!!

[i4jelway7]

tackle damn it.. tackle

[jebures]

tackle damn it.. tackle

to his defense, he thought he had knocked the ball down already.

[GreatBronco16]

Good thing Denver has such a HUGE lead. Damn I hope Bailey doesn't miss any time. I can't stand to see Lenny in there doing that type of crap every week. He is way to inconsistant.

[Jason in LA]

I've changed my mind about this guy. I thought he was going to be something good, and had no problem with them letting Herndon walk in favor of Walls. I was wrong (about Walls, the Broncos were smart for not matching the Seahawks offsheet for Herndon). Walls seems to lose focus a lot. Like the TD he gave up tonight. And the one he gave up during week one. Both plays he was right there to make the tackle and just spaced out.

Looks like a smart move by the Broncos to draft 3 CBs. There was a method to the maddness.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Lenny may be okay. I bet there is a little 'getting back into game shape' going on with him. He wasn't horrible tonight. Have a short memory, birthday boy.

[DBroncos4life]

Hes our new Oneal.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Hes our new Oneal.

I disagree.... so far. I want to see more of him. I bet he gets 'coached' this week.

[GoHAM]

Walls needs to go back to fundamentals and tackle the goddamn receiver!! :bash:

Walls is the popcorn kernal stuck at the back of my throat of an otherwise perfect game.

[Merlin]

He was able to make the play, he just did not bother to finish it (he assumed he did). Hopefully he learns and next time he completes it.

Merlin

[Cito Pelon]

He's gonna be needed to perform better. I guess he needs to regroup.

[Broncoman13]

Lenny may be okay. I bet there is a little 'getting back into game shape' going on with him. He wasn't horrible tonight. Have a short memory, birthday boy.

All we have to do is get down on him, get a couple stories on PFT and the Post and he'll turn around and make us eat our words!!! ala Larry Coyer!

[DarkHorse30]

Bull freakin' $hit. Williams played his way on to the field but Walls is no slouch. Consider that KC is a VERY good offense and has a few weapons in the tank, even with Holmes struggling. Walls is in his contract year, I don't want to hear any Denverfans whining about giving up a FLUKE td on a prayer. Yes Walls will be coached and he has more potential than Paymah or Foxworth. I can just see Denver fans whiffing on this one like they did with Tory James.

[ScottXray]

to his defense, he thought he had knocked the ball down already.

FINISH the play....Thats one of his weaknesses. Don't think...DO.

Wow...some kind of star wars thing....YODA needs to take Lenny under his wing. :drown:

[Mediator12]

Bull freakin' $hit. Williams played his way on to the field but Walls is no slouch. Consider that KC is a VERY good offense and has a few weapons in the tank, even with Holmes struggling. Walls is in his contract year, I don't want to hear any Denverfans whining about giving up a FLUKE td on a prayer. Yes Walls will be coached and he has more potential than Paymah or Foxworth. I can just see Denver fans whiffing on this one like they did with Tory James.

WTF are you talking about??? Walls has been DIRECTLY responsible for 21 points in the passing game and a DIRTLOAD of missed tackles this year to boot. He LOST his Job because he failed to do it in the first place! thwack

[Hulamau]

HEs too skinny always trying to swat the ball when the guy is rrunnign with it rather than make a real tackle. Hes too damn fragile, gets beat on the double shuffle and I cant wait for him to get cut or traded at years end. We need him now unfortunately, particularly with Champs troubles this year, as a backup, but I say put DW and Fox in as starters and let Paymah and Roc split dime duties and use Walls on ST and emergencies or to cover really tall and slow TE.

[DarkHorse30]

WTF are you talking about??? Walls has been DIRECTLY responsible for 21 points in the passing game and a DIRTLOAD of missed tackles this year to boot. He LOST his Job because he failed to do it in the first place! thwack

He lost his job because Darrent is BETTER. In case you've missed it, Walls is an ok cover corner and has made more plays than most any other DBs on the broncos staff. I'd take him over a guy like Crockett for two reasons. He has the size AND speed to cover nearly anyone in the NFL. I'd like you to point out 5 cases where he has completely let down in games. Remember that even Champ gets beat......like the Oakland game last year......and that cover corners don't grow on trees. I think you guys are completely forgetting the NATURE or the NFL these days. Corners are going to get beat....but how many athletes are you going to throw on the tracks? Walls shouldn't be one of them. I have NO short memory here. Gordon was an AVERAGE corner on a VERY good team. Good defenses don't grow on trees, I don't want Walls to be another player that Denver has thrown away (like James, arguably the best corner that Shanahan has thrown away).

Let's cover another player that has gotten in Shanahan's doghouse.. IE Tatum Bell. Every time the guy touches the ball it's nearly 10 yards WITH breakaway speed. TD on NFL network said Bell is in "the doghouse". Why? Who freakin' knows but Shanahan better realize he is playin' with Denver's season putting these guys down and away. I'm surprized Denver fans wouldn't recognize when a guy's been dogged. I'm in Walls' camp.

[Pat Bowlen]

How many posts until TheReverend mentions Middlebrooks?

[Dudeskey]

Walls played okay tonight except for the Sammy Parker TD. I think he just kinda slacked off there which of course isn't acceptable at the pro level. Thank goodness the Broncos had a commanding lead when he had that lapse...™

[epicSocialism4tw]

Walls made an outstanding play breaking up that loft in the corner and then turned around on the next play and missed a tackle that would have brought the offense out on the field to close out the game without giving up a touchdown.

Also to his credit, the secondary still looked relatively tight after Champ left. Foxworth gave up a couple of big plays though.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

to his defense, he thought he had knocked the ball down already.
Yes, but he still should have finished his tackle. Even Pop Warner football players know that you finish your tackle and don't give up on the play, even if you think you defended the ball away.

[OrangeDoofus]

Walls has been with the Broncos for what, three years plus now? And he still hasn't learned to play to the whistle? Well when is he going to learn?

Seriously, name me one other player on this defense who would give up on a play like that. Can you picture John Lynch letting go of a receiver like that? No. Can you picture Champ doing it? No. Williams? No. Pryce? Ferguson? Gold? No, no, and no.

If I were Shanahan, Walls would get his walking papers tomorrow morning. He's had plenty of opportunities to learn good habits; if he hasn't figured out by now that you play to the whistle, he's never going to get it.

[Jesterhole]

Walls didn't even really miss the tackle. He had his armed wrapped around the dude, but then released his grip and backed off a little, I guess because he didn't think dude had caught it. By the time he realized it, it was too late.

Not a great reason to allow the only TD, but he was there, and could have made the play. It was some sort of mental breakdown...pissed me off but not unfixable.

[Mediator12]

He lost his job because Darrent is BETTER. In case you've missed it, Walls is an ok cover corner and has made more plays than most any other DBs on the broncos staff. I'd take him over a guy like Crockett for two reasons. He has the size AND speed to cover nearly anyone in the NFL. I'd like you to point out 5 cases where he has completely let down in games. Remember that even Champ gets beat......like the Oakland game last year......and that cover corners don't grow on trees. I think you guys are completely forgetting the NATURE or the NFL these days. Corners are going to get beat....but how many athletes are you going to throw on the tracks? Walls shouldn't be one of them. I have NO short memory here. Gordon was an AVERAGE corner on a VERY good team. Good defenses don't grow on trees, I don't want Walls to be another player that Denver has thrown away (like James, arguably the best corner that Shanahan has thrown away).

Let's cover another player that has gotten in Shanahan's doghouse.. IE Tatum Bell. Every time the guy touches the ball it's nearly 10 yards WITH breakaway speed. TD on NFL network said Bell is in "the doghouse". Why? Who freakin' knows but Shanahan better realize he is playin' with Denver's season putting these guys down and away. I'm surprized Denver fans wouldn't recognize when a guy's been dogged. I'm in Walls' camp.

Well, for starters Walls gave up too much room in week one when he was specifically told to Pinch the off coverage better. Then, the dumbass entered the game INJURED not hurt and Gave up the game Clinching TD to a very SLOW Marty Booker. He missed the Jam completely on Booker BTW.

Last week, he missed four tackles Versus SD and missed his assignment on the second LT TD run. Plus, he had TWO tackles and ZERO passes defensed!

Tonight speaks for itself. Three missed tackles and NO passes defensed. HE made ZERO tackles tonight, yes ZERO!

Finally, your assertion that he has more potential than Paymah or Foxworth is unfounded. Those guys are too young and talented and Walls is making rookie errors in his fourth season. Yes, cover corners are rare. But, a Non-Tackling average cover CB is a dime a dozen in the NFL.

[~Crash~]

you are close it is called finshing the game not play .

[Atlas]

Well, for all the Walls haters you can relax he'll be gone next year and he is obviously better than Foxworth since every time Foxworth gets in the game he either gives up a big play or commits pass interferance.

[Mediator12]

Well, for all the Walls haters you can relax he'll be gone next year and he is obviously better than Foxworth since every time Foxworth gets in the game he either gives up a big play or commits pass interferance.

Foxworth has played 3 NFL games. Lenny Redshirted for a year before he ever sniffed a game along with Herndon. Foxworth Covered a LOT of passes that were not flagged and has surrendered 0 TD's to Lenny's three.

[meangene]

I still think Walls has the ability to develop into a good corner. Remember, he basically didn't play last year so he's really in his third year. And, he was more of an athlete coming out of college than an experienced corner. He is used to starting and was coming off the bench for the first time last night. His confidence had to be a little shaken after losing his starting job. At this point he is ahead of Foxworth and Paymah (who I don't think is ready to play anything but special teams). We will need him to play well since I think Champ is going to be out for a few weeks.

[bloodsunday]

to his defense, he thought he had knocked the ball down already.
That's just an excuse. He quit on the play and that is why Darrent took his job. After that hack job in the 4th quarter, I'd like to see Foxworth get some time in his stead.

[yavoon]

coulda tagged herndon, a real player.

[bloodsunday]

He was able to make the play, he just did not bother to finish it (he assumed he did). Hopefully he learns and next time he completes it.
He got owned twice last night. It's not about whether or not he can make the play, its the fact that he was the lone guy out there giving **** effort and he didn't make the plays.

[bloodsunday]

coulda tagged herndon, a real player.
Exactly. People think the only way we could have kept Herndon was to match his offer, but its not true. We could have given the money we gave Walls to Herndon (a first round 1.4 million tender) and he would still be a Bronco instead of Walls.

For the record, I was glad they kept Walls (but wanted them to keep both). I was wrong.

[Mile High Shack]

sounds like I've been right all along (since last year and the year before) about Walls

he flat out sucks and probably shouldn't even be in the game to begin with.

I'd rather take my chances with 2 rookie CBs if Champ can't go, give me Foxworth or Paymah instead of Walls, at least they put forth the effort.

There was a reason this guy was undrafted and he sucks really bad.

I have always hated Lenny Walls and thought we kept the wrong CB (Herndon)

[Rascal]

Tonight speaks for itself. Three missed tackles and NO passes defensed.

You might want to check your facts Med I specifically remember him knocking down a pass on an inside slant.

I remember because Shack and I both said "WTF...where did that come from???"

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Every year Walls opens his mouth about how good he thinks he is.
He just is plain horrible at trying to play CB. Maybe he can play WR or something...................................... never mind.

[DarkHorse30]

Finally, your assertion that he has more potential than Paymah or Foxworth is unfounded. Those guys are too young and talented and Walls is making rookie errors in his fourth season. Yes, cover corners are rare. But, a Non-Tackling average cover CB is a dime a dozen in the NFL.

I think you're forgetting how long Denver has had an average secondary....before Champ came on board. You're also dumping on Walls because D. Williams is better. When a corner elevates his play on a fast track like Williams does, it makes your team better. It doesn't mean that you start dumping on players that he passes. As I've said, Walls is #3 on a pretty good secondary....that will likely lose Champ for a few weeks. That means Walls will have to step up his game, which he likely will because he's in a contract year. Look at the stats, Walls has 3 pd to Champs 4 and Darrent and Foxworth have 2 each. Walls had 2 pd in the KC game, contrary to your post. Maybe dropping him below Williams will make him accelerate his game. He's a pretty young player with a year of starts under his belt, and some injury time. So piss on him because Williams is a better player? I don't get it. Who would you replace him with?

Ranking Foxworthy ahead of Walls is ridiculous... Foxworthy gives up a play nearly every time he's in the game. You want to start Foxworthy after 2 games, instead of Walls if Champ misses time? That seems completely foolhardy. Walls has a year of starts behind him and knows what to expect from some of the best WRs in the league. Jimmy Smith would absolutely SCHOOL Foxworthy, it wouldn't be pretty. Paymah isn't even in picture yet. Walls has played reasonably well, and like any CB, he will give up a play now and then. But the excellent play of Williams is no reason to start looking for a scapegoat on a great defense. Yes, both Champ and Williams are playmakers....and they are very good tacklers. But you need 3 good corners to hang with most NFL teams these days with the rulechanges. Denver is lucky enough to have 2 very good corners and one good one. The coaches are recognizing Williams ability and are starting him. If Denver had hung on to Herndon (who is about as good as Walls, IMO) I doubt Williams would be starting, just because of Herndon's salary.

Drafting 3 corners was a smart move, done so that Walls could play his way on to or off of the team. It's way too early to close the book on him......be a little patient and see what happens next week, which will be a huge test for him.

[yavoon]

I think you're forgetting how long Denver has had an average secondary....before Champ came on board. You're also dumping on Walls because D. Williams is better. When a corner elevates his play on a fast track like Williams does, it makes your team better. It doesn't mean that you start dumping on players that he passes. As I've said, Walls is #3 on a pretty good secondary....that will likely lose Champ for a few weeks. That means Walls will have to step up his game, which he likely will because he's in a contract year. Look at the stats, Walls has 3 pd to Champs 4 and Darrent and Foxworth have 2 each. Walls had 2 pd in the KC game, contrary to your post. Maybe dropping him below Williams will make him accelerate his game. He's a pretty young player with a year of starts under his belt, and some injury time. So piss on him because Williams is a better player? I don't get it. Who would you replace him with?

Ranking Foxworth ahead of Walls is ridiculous... Foxworth gives up a play nearly every time he's in the game. You want to start Foxworth after 2 games, instead of Walls if Champ misses time? That seems completely foolhardy. Walls has a year of starts behind him and knows what to expect from some of the best WRs in the league. Jimmy Smith would absolutely SCHOOL Foxworth, it wouldn't be pretty. Paymah isn't even in picture yet. Walls has played reasonably well, and like any CB, he will give up a play now and then. But the excellent play of Williams is no reason to start looking for a scapegoat on a great defense. Yes, both Champ and Williams are playmakers....and they are very good tacklers. But you need 3 good corners to hang with most NFL teams these days with the rulechanges. Denver is lucky enough to have 2 very good corners and one good one. The coaches are recognizing Williams ability and are starting him. If Denver had hung on to Herndon (who is about as good as Walls, IMO) I doubt Williams would be starting, just because of Herndon's salary.

Drafting 3 corners was a smart move, done so that Walls could play his way on to or off of the team. It's way too early to close the book on him......be a little patient and see what happens next week, which will be a huge test for him.


or coulda just kept herndon for the tender and been done w/ all this "brilliant maneuvering"

[bendog]

not exactly

Herndon to Seahawks...

Denver has seven days to match offer
By John Clayton, ESPN.com


The Seattle Seahawks hope they have filled their second most important defensive need Wednesday by reaching a five-year, $15 million deal with Broncos cornerback Kelly Herndon that includes a $4.5 million signing bonus.


The reason that they can only hope to fill the need is they have to wait seven days to see if they get the Denver Broncos cornerback. Herndon is a restricted free agent even though he doesn't require any draft compensation from the Seahawks. The Broncos have seven days to match the offer or let him go to the Seahawks.


Herndon played 99 percent of the Broncos' defensive snaps last season even though he was projected to be the No. 3 cornerback behind Champ Bailey and Lenny Walls. According to Stats Inc., Herndon led the league with 23 passes defensed and had only 51 percent of the passes thrown in his direction completed.


Though he would have liked to remain with the Broncos, Herndon was tempted by the Seattle situation because he would clearly have the chance to start.


The Seahawks needed to find a cornerback replacement after Ken Lucas signed a six-year, $37 million deal with Carolina two weeks ago. After considering Andre Dyson of the Titans and a couple of other possibilities such as Dolphins cornerback Patrick Surtain, the Seahawks focused on Herndon on Monday and Tuesday.


Last week, Broncos restricted tight end Jeb Putzier signed a five-year, $12.5 million with the Jets, but the Broncos matched after seven days. That put a further strain on a tight salary cap.


Herndon was an undrafted rookie for the 49ers in 1999. He has also been with the Giants and Broncos. The Broncos signed him in 2001 and ended up being a starter by 2003.


The 5-foot-10, 180-pound Herndon went to Toledo.


The Broncos face an interesting decision involving Herndon. They could match the offer on Herndon and remove the first-round tender from starting cornerback Lenny Walls. Or the Broncos can keep Walls and let Herndon go.

[broncosteven]

I would almost prefer to see Roc or one of the rooks if he continues to tackle like he tried to tackle Quitterson & Dropper. He was beaten badly off the line a few times also. I won't miss him when HE GONE.

[Ray Finkle]

Foxworth has played 3 NFL games. Lenny Redshirted for a year before he ever sniffed a game along with Herndon. Foxworth Covered a LOT of passes that were not flagged and has surrendered 0 TD's to Lenny's three.


don't you mean Foxworthy.....Madden is dumb.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Lenny had an amazing play where he knocked a ball right out of the receiver's hands in the corner of the endzone right before the TD, so I know that he defended at least one.

He also had an excellent shoestring tackle on Tony Gonzalez. You guys have some serious tunnel vision here. If something goes wrong in the secondary, it must be Walls. I saw Foxworth roasted while covering Kennison a couple of times. Walls didnt get burned on every play.

[Mediator12]

You might want to check your facts Med I specifically remember him knocking down a pass on an inside slant.

I remember because Shack and I both said "WTF...where did that come from???"

It is only a pass defensed if the defender touches the ball before it gets to the receiver. I had Lenny breaking up two passes last night, but no PD's according to the official stats.

[Willynowei]

In defense of Lenny Walls, he does the rarest parts of being a cornerback well. That is turning and running with fluid motion. He's always around the ball and hasnt been beat real bad and that is invaluable in defense.

If you watch his mistakes, which were the missed tackle on the slant and the TD at the end, those were both easy tackles. Now you could look at it as he's inconsistent but also you could say, well heck, thats easy to correct and it is, he'll probably get that ironed out by next week.

[epa86b@netzero]

not exactly

Herndon to Seahawks...

Denver has seven days to match offer
By John Clayton, ESPN.com


The Seattle Seahawks hope they have filled their second most important defensive need Wednesday by reaching a five-year, $15 million deal with Broncos cornerback Kelly Herndon that includes a $4.5 million signing bonus.


The reason that they can only hope to fill the need is they have to wait seven days to see if they get the Denver Broncos cornerback. Herndon is a restricted free agent even though he doesn't require any draft compensation from the Seahawks. The Broncos have seven days to match the offer or let him go to the Seahawks.


Herndon played 99 percent of the Broncos' defensive snaps last season even though he was projected to be the No. 3 cornerback behind Champ Bailey and Lenny Walls. According to Stats Inc., Herndon led the league with 23 passes defensed and had only 51 percent of the passes thrown in his direction completed.


Though he would have liked to remain with the Broncos, Herndon was tempted by the Seattle situation because he would clearly have the chance to start.


The Seahawks needed to find a cornerback replacement after Ken Lucas signed a six-year, $37 million deal with Carolina two weeks ago. After considering Andre Dyson of the Titans and a couple of other possibilities such as Dolphins cornerback Patrick Surtain, the Seahawks focused on Herndon on Monday and Tuesday.


Last week, Broncos restricted tight end Jeb Putzier signed a five-year, $12.5 million with the Jets, but the Broncos matched after seven days. That put a further strain on a tight salary cap.


Herndon was an undrafted rookie for the 49ers in 1999. He has also been with the Giants and Broncos. The Broncos signed him in 2001 and ended up being a starter by 2003.


The 5-foot-10, 180-pound Herndon went to Toledo.


The Broncos face an interesting decision involving Herndon. They could match the offer on Herndon and remove the first-round tender from starting cornerback Lenny Walls. Or the Broncos can keep Walls and let Herndon go.

If the Broncos would have given Herndon the first-round tender instead of Walls, Seattle may not have been willing to give up a 1st round pick for him. Thus, Walls would have been the restricted free agency with no comp pick necessary like Herndon ending up being.

Nonetheless, the Broncos would have ended up with Herndon or a 1st round pick.

I believe, Mediator12 wrote in post awhile ago that Herndon had wore out his welcome in Denver. THus, this may have been less a football decision versus a locker room decision.

[Mile High Shack]

In defense of Lenny Walls, he does the rarest parts of being a cornerback well. That is turning and running with fluid motion. He's always around the ball and hasnt been beat real bad and that is invaluable in defense.

If you watch his mistakes, which were the missed tackle on the slant and the TD at the end, those were both easy tackles. Now you could look at it as he's inconsistent but also you could say, well heck, thats easy to correct and it is, he'll probably get that ironed out by next week.

he's had 3 years to iron that out

[DBroncos4life]

Walls may make a better FS then CB. He doesn't like playing on the line, he won't jam WRs even though he has long arms. The problem is we tried that with him didn't we? Long story short he will move on have great games and someone will post threads about him saying its our coaches fault he didn't do well here.

[fontaine]

I'm not ready to throw Walls under the bus yet. He hasn't started the season well, no doubt about it.

But he still brings the ability to match up well against taller receivers and we're going to need it with Champ out. Hopefully, Fox is ready for the NFL and can show some of the form he flashed in preseason.

[bendog]

If the Broncos would have given Herndon the first-round tender instead of Walls, Seattle may not have been willing to give up a 1st round pick for him. Thus, Walls would have been the restricted free agency with no comp pick necessary like Herndon ending up being.

Nonetheless, the Broncos would have ended up with Herndon or a 1st round pick.

I believe, Mediator12 wrote in post awhile ago that Herndon had wore out his welcome in Denver. THus, this may have been less a football decision versus a locker room decision.

I'm not sure that's correct. As an undrafted FA could Herndon be given a first round tender? I thought not, which led to the delimma of tying up the cap on the corner opposite champ, which we could not do if we were to stay "cap balanced" considering champs cap, or going with walls.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think Walls is better matched up on the #3 as a nickle guy, and Darrent doesn't look like he's going to give that job up any time soon. Lenny should start looking over his shoulder cause Foxworth might be comin' fast as well.

[NaptownChief]

Walls sucks bad enough he should be a Chief.

[Mediator12]

I think you're forgetting how long Denver has had an average secondary....before Champ came on board. You're also dumping on Walls because D. Williams is better. When a corner elevates his play on a fast track like Williams does, it makes your team better. It doesn't mean that you start dumping on players that he passes. As I've said, Walls is #3 on a pretty good secondary....that will likely lose Champ for a few weeks. That means Walls will have to step up his game, which he likely will because he's in a contract year. Look at the stats, Walls has 3 pd to Champs 4 and Darrent and Foxworth have 2 each. Walls had 2 pd in the KC game, contrary to your post. Maybe dropping him below Williams will make him accelerate his game. He's a pretty young player with a year of starts under his belt, and some injury time. So piss on him because Williams is a better player? I don't get it. Who would you replace him with?

Ranking Foxworth ahead of Walls is ridiculous... Foxworth gives up a play nearly every time he's in the game. You want to start Foxworth after 2 games, instead of Walls if Champ misses time? That seems completely foolhardy. Walls has a year of starts behind him and knows what to expect from some of the best WRs in the league. Jimmy Smith would absolutely SCHOOL Foxworth, it wouldn't be pretty. Paymah isn't even in picture yet. Walls has played reasonably well, and like any CB, he will give up a play now and then. But the excellent play of Williams is no reason to start looking for a scapegoat on a great defense. Yes, both Champ and Williams are playmakers....and they are very good tacklers. But you need 3 good corners to hang with most NFL teams these days with the rulechanges. Denver is lucky enough to have 2 very good corners and one good one. The coaches are recognizing Williams ability and are starting him. If Denver had hung on to Herndon (who is about as good as Walls, IMO) I doubt Williams would be starting, just because of Herndon's salary.

Drafting 3 corners was a smart move, done so that Walls could play his way on to or off of the team. It's way too early to close the book on him......be a little patient and see what happens next week, which will be a huge test for him.

Nothing you said validates your assertions about Foxworth. The only thing you pointed out is that Lenny HAS given up two TD's in the passing game and generally blown his coverage assignments in the passing game and Running game.

As for the passes defensed, see earlier post. He did break up 2 passes, but so did the whole rest of the defense tonight. Lynch had Hall ducking, Champ and Darrent blew up three passes apeice. It is called doing your Job. The reason the PD's are noted is that it indicates that the CB broke on the BALL better after it being thrown.

As for ranking Foxworth ahead of Walls, he is not. But he is playing his way out of that too. Lenny walls gave up 12 catches in 15 opportunities v. Miami. He gave up 5 catches versus 7 opportunities against SD. Last night, he gave up a TD on a broken Tackle, had a defensive Holding for a first down, and broke up two passes only one that could have been caught. In contrast, Foxworth had two tackles,a PD, and broke up the supposed big play to Kennison.

So where is your argument going based on Performance. That is where the rubber meets the road. Walls has not performed like a starter. Period. He is making more Rookie errors than the actual Rookies. Seriously, he is a good Corner but he has played POORLY to date and is Directly responsible for 21 points and missed aTackle on Sammy Morris too for that TD. If DJ had already missed the tackle on that, he would be Directly responsible for 28.

[DarkHorse]

He's garbage - is that comment enough?

I can't stand the guy even in Nickle - i'll take Foxworth.

There has always been something about this guy - he goes Ray Charles on us when the ball is in the air and his tackling is sub par at best.

[TheDave]

Considering Champ will probably miss SEVERAL games, we better hope Walls doesn't suck as bad as some of you think.

[NaptownChief]

Considering Champ will probably miss SEVERAL games, we better hope Walls doesn't suck as bad as some of you think.



I hope the worst is yet to come. ;D

[Rascal]

Considering Champ will probably miss SEVERAL games, we better hope Walls doesn't suck as bad as some of you think.

I'm glad that somebody else said this first. I thought the same thing when I saw him get hurt.

[bendog]

Considering Champ will probably miss SEVERAL games, we better hope Walls doesn't suck as bad as some of you think.
yep. We'll be in the 2 deep zone ****ter. Better hope the dline can make Leftwich ineffective, but he's a pretty tough sob. We get Wash at home in week 5. Then NE at home in week 6. (knock on shanny's wooden leg)

[TheDave]

I'm glad that somebody else said this first. I thought the same thing when I saw him get hurt.

Champs injury scares the hell out of me. Even a slight tear could keep him out for most of the season... Not good with T.O. coming to visit soon!!!

[Rascal]

Same here. When I saw the way his hammy reacted when he made that tackle I knew it was bad. Told Shack he was gone for the rest of the game at least and perhaps longer. He didn't believe me though...hopefully I'm wrong.

[NaptownChief]

Champs injury scares the hell out of me. Even a slight tear could keep him out for most of the season... Not good with T.O. coming to visit soon!!!



Don't worry about TO....After this Sunday TO will be so gassed running up and down the field on the Chiefs at will that he will still be winded by the time Denver faces him.

[TheDave]

Don't worry about TO....After this Sunday TO will be so gassed running up and down the field on the Chiefs at will that he will still be winded by the time Denver faces him.

If that's the case, then let me thank you in advance :)

[epa86b@netzero]

I'm not sure that's correct. As an undrafted FA could Herndon be given a first round tender? I thought not, which led to the delimma of tying up the cap on the corner opposite champ, which we could not do if we were to stay "cap balanced" considering champs cap, or going with walls.

I am pretty sure it is correct because both Walls and Herndon were both undrafted and Walls got the first round tender.

[DarkHorse]

Damn - I hope Champ is healthy - we can't afford to have Walls out on the field. He's a liability.

[Mile High Shack]

Same here. When I saw the way his hammy reacted when he made that tackle I knew it was bad. Told Shack he was gone for the rest of the game at least and perhaps longer. He didn't believe me though...hopefully I'm wrong.

I knew he was gone for the rest of the game

[TheDave]

Damn - I hope Champ is healthy - we can't afford to have Walls out on the field. He's a liability.

Just heard on the Radio that they are doing an MRI this morning... Hopefully we will have a better idea this afternoon.

[Mile High Shack]

Just heard on the Radio that they are doing an MRI this morning... Hopefully we will have a better idea this afternoon.

I bet he misses 3 weeks

I'd rather have freakin' Paymah on the field than Walls, man I really can't stand him

[DarkHorse30]

As for ranking Foxworth ahead of Walls, he is not.....

So where is your argument going based on Performance. That is where the rubber meets the road. Walls has not performed like a starter. Period.

You're making my arguement. "Yes", Walls is not as good as Williams, and will not start....unless Champ is hurt and can not play. "No", Foxworthy is not as good as Walls, and shouldn't start if Champ is out, especially because Foxworthy has speed, but no experience against top WRs.

I'm not calling for Walls to replace Williams, I'm saying that Walls is better than Foxworthy and will likely start if Champ is out. Throw Walls off the bus, because he gets beat now and then, and isn't as good a tackler as Williams or Bailey? You may as well cut Bell, because he can't pick up a blitz or catch passes like MA. Does that make any sense? I don't think so. Bell has abilities but hasn't learned how to put all of his game together just yet. Ditto Walls.

Walls has starting ability and has shown it. His 21 passes defensed in '03 were the most since Crockett....but he has been fighting through injuries. As a few posters have said, Walls has the skills, and the size, and the speed to develop as a starter. As it is, he is a good #3 corner.....and you need a good #3 corner right now in the NFL.

Next week, Williams AND Walls will get beat now and again, just like Champ does sometimes. But Walls is the best choice to start in place of Bailey. He knows the system and HAS experience against good WRs.

[Rascal]

I knew he was gone for the rest of the game

Oh.

[Rascal]

It is only a pass defensed if the defender touches the ball before it gets to the receiver. I had Lenny breaking up two passes last night, but no PD's according to the official stats.

Either way he played better (except for that TD obviously) then what you are portraying by using stat lines that you know don't tell the whole story.

[NaptownChief]

Either way he played better (except for that TD obviously) then what you are portraying by using stat lines that you know don't tell the whole story.



That is because Pryce was in Green's grill all night and the CB's didn't have to even bother covering 3/4ths of the time as Green was just throwing it away immediately to avoid getting killed. I wouldn't give Walls any credit for that. When Green had any time at all Walls was usually busy getting beat.

[bendog]

I am pretty sure it is correct because both Walls and Herndon were both undrafted and Walls got the first round tender.
hmm, I guess you are right. Personally, though, imo they're both pretty much stiffs. Neither one can cover one on one.

[Mediator12]

Either way he played better (except for that TD obviously) then what you are portraying by using stat lines that you know don't tell the whole story.

NO tackles, a third down holding penalty for a first down, blown zone coverages (LIKE the fifth this season), Missed tackle for a TD when he had him wrapped up, and he finally stopped a slant on 14 chances this year. Not my idea of decent let alone adequate.

I made my point about failing to MAKE PLAYS. If you want to defend him find the plays he played well versus the number he screwed up, then by all means present an argument. By my count he had two plays where he did his job, and five he did NOT!

[epa86b@netzero]

hmm, I guess you are right. Personally, though, imo they're both pretty much stiffs. Neither one can cover one on one.

I disagree. Herndon was pretty solid as a starter. Always around the ball and a good tackler, a solid football player. However, Walls is always hurt and he does not match up well against fast or quick receivers, which alot of 3rd receivers are.

I hope Walls improves because if we meet Indy, we will need him.

[tdfan]

Lenny had an amazing play where he knocked a ball right out of the receiver's hands in the corner of the endzone right before the TD, so I know that he defended at least one.

He also had an excellent shoestring tackle on Tony Gonzalez. You guys have some serious tunnel vision here. If something goes wrong in the secondary, it must be Walls. I saw Foxworth roasted while covering Kennison a couple of times. Walls didnt get burned on every play.

Actually, that play was not amazing. Walls was never looking back. He was beat on that one, and he was either lucky, or was athletic enough that he didn't cause a PI on that one.

BUT the receiver flat out dropped the ball !

Lenny tried swiping the ball of the first time, and whiffed. He swiped again later, whilst the ball was on the way to the ground ( out of bounds ).

And yes, Foxworth has been getting beat regularly in the last couple of games.

[bendog]

I disagree. Herndon was pretty solid as a starter. Always around the ball and a good tackler, a solid football player. However, Walls is always hurt and he does not match up well against fast or quick receivers, which alot of 3rd receivers are.

I hope Walls improves because if we meet Indy, we will need him.
I think we'll need four corners for Indy. But Lenny just cannot run. He's a good slot corner but he really is a two deep kind of guy. Walls has the athleticism, but they're both stiffs. Walls is gone after this year too, imo.

[epa86b@netzero]

I think we'll need four corners for Indy. But Lenny just cannot run. He's a good slot corner but he really is a two deep kind of guy. Walls has the athleticism, but they're both stiffs. Walls is gone after this year too, imo.

Walls is gone after this year unless he picks it up.

However, I think that Walls matches up pretty good with Reggie Wayne.

[Rascal]

NO tackles, a third down holding penalty for a first down, blown zone coverages (LIKE the fifth this season), Missed tackle for a TD when he had him wrapped up, and he finally stopped a slant on 14 chances this year. Not my idea of decent let alone adequate.

I made my point about failing to MAKE PLAYS. If you want to defend him find the plays he played well versus the number he screwed up, then by all means present an argument. By my count he had two plays where he did his job, and five he did NOT!

And besides the TD where is your evidence for the five plays?

I'm not saying the guy is good, but your distortion of facts and attitude make him come off as the worst player in the league. Obviously he can play or else we would have taken him off of RFA instead of Herndon.

He made two plays...the end zone and the slant. Did the WR catch the ball there? NO!!

Obviously the coaches feel he can play otherwise they would have stuck in Foxworth when Champ went down.

[Kaylore]

I'd rather see Foxworth in there. At least then if the rookies give up a touchdown it will be a learning experience for them. Lenny keeps giving up big plays and it doesn't look like its helped him learn anything. Its not too late for Lenny but he's already lost his roster spot to a better player, and the rookies are out-gaming him. They both play more physical than Lenny right now too.

[Hulamau]

I'd rather see Foxworth in there. At least then if the rookies give up a touchdown it will be a learning experience for them. Lenny keeps giving up big plays and it doesn't look like its helped him learn anything. Its not too late for Lenny but he's already lost his roster spot to a better player, and the rookies are out-gaming him. They both play more physical than Lenny right now too.

My feeling exactly Kaylore, I'd much rather have DW Fox and Paymah making some of Wall's mistakes with an upside! Based on what we've seen from them I'd bet their learning curve will be really quick. Fox and DW in particular have a nose for the ball and aren't afraid to tackle. Lenny always seems to calculate how to tackle a guy and would rather grab a guy from the rear and try to drag him down rather than blast him.

Thats why he misses so many of those prissy hand grab tackles and there were at least three such examples last night including that infuriating TD by Parker.

All he needed to do is FINISH the DAMN play and we shut the Chiefs from the endzone.

Maybe he's worried about his shoulder and so he doesn't stick his body in there any longer, but he's got to get over it and start playing like a football player rather than a ballet dancer or he's going to be out a here.

I'd rather bring Middlebrooks in as a back up.

Besides, Walls letting that TD in hurt my fantasy numbers as I 've got the Broncos D onboard. :bash:

[bendog]

rough crowd. Den's gone light in cap in the dbackfield because a. champ b. indy and NE showed you cannot cover in the payaton pussy league era.

[Idaho_Bronco_Fan]

Lenny certainly isn't perfect, but knowing how hamstring pulls can linger on forever, he's gonna get more playing time over the next few weeks.

He's got the tools- good gravy, a 6'4" corner with wheels like that?

It's time for him to step up....just like it is for several other guys that have been around for a little while (Watts, Putz, Bell) and take control of their careers, otherwise bye bye!

[bendog]

Move Watts to corner and bring back Rice (-:

[ozomulsion]

I'd rather see Foxworth in there. At least then if the rookies give up a touchdown it will be a learning experience for them. Lenny keeps giving up big plays and it doesn't look like its helped him learn anything. Its not too late for Lenny but he's already lost his roster spot to a better player, and the rookies are out-gaming him. They both play more physical than Lenny right now too.

Agreed, when they sat Darrent down for the night. It was Foxworth we put in at NO.1 corner, not Walls. That says it all right there.

[ScottXray]

Lenny certainly isn't perfect, but knowing how hamstring pulls can linger on forever, he's gonna get more playing time over the next few weeks.

He's got the tools- good gravy, a 6'4" corner with wheels like that?

It's time for him to step up....just like it is for several other guys that have been around for a little while (Watts, Putz, Bell) and take control of their careers, otherwise bye bye!

Hopefully Walls starts stepping up THIS coming week, and the few after that. It may be after the bye before Champ is back 100%, and Walls could seriously hurt the teams chances if he keeps making plays like the one he did last night. Against solid defenses this team is gonna continue to have problems scoring, and the D holding the other team out is going to be important.

I REALLY didn't like him celebrating after he was involved in the break up of the pass to the left corner just before that. He got LUCKY he got some play on the ball there, as he never knew where the ball was and a good throw would have been six. Receiver should have made that play , and still almost did.
Oh well, Get well Champ.
:charge:

[Kaylore]

I think it might be after the Bye before we see Champ as well. It is Champ, though.

[Cito Pelon]

I've been on the Lenny bandwagon for a long time, and I'm not gonna just jump off. Obviously, there's room for improvement. He tries to play too pretty some times. Believes his own hype, I guess, thinks he's gonna make plays just by putting on the pads. But please, let's not pretend like he's a total goof out there, a boy trying to play with men.

He was quoted saying the demotion hurt, but he was going to keep giving his all. And he's gonna be needed to make some plays. He can hold his own, I hope.

[Cito Pelon]

Hopefully Walls starts stepping up THIS coming week, and the few after that. It may be after the bye before Champ is back 100%, and Walls could seriously hurt the teams chances if he keeps making plays like the one he did last night. Against solid defenses this team is gonna continue to have problems scoring, and the D holding the other team out is going to be important.

I REALLY didn't like him celebrating after he was involved in the break up of the pass to the left corner just before that. He got LUCKY he got some play on the ball there, as he never knew where the ball was and a good throw would have been six. Receiver should have made that play , and still almost did.
Oh well, Get well Champ.
:charge:

I agree. Lenny gonna have to play well, don't want to hurry Champ back. Champ's gonna be needed in late November and December for the finishing kick. Lenny is gonna have to pull his weight, and many guys favorite Foxworth is going to have do a good job also. The team needs both to play well, and Lenny is not a total slouch, he has good play in him. Someone mentioned Middlebrooks is still out of a job, and I think that's correct.

[Northman]

Comments?



Does the term ' i wanted to strangle him to death through the tube ' mean anything? on a 4th and 10 he decides he is not going to wrap up the defender even though he thought Parker dropped it? thats just not good mechanics or dicipline, no ****ing wonder he lost his starting spot. i loved kicking the **** out of the queefs last night but i went to bed angry about that one play. totally pissed me off!

[TomServo]

Say all you want about Carl, but not Lenny. NOT LENNY!

[TomServo]

if we can pressure the qb like we did last night, i wouldnt worry too much about lenny til bailey comes back.

also why is it our D never can seem to prevent the trash touchdown at the end of a blowout, but w/ever we try it always seems to end in a long int. or fumble for a touchdown the other way?

[DarkHorse]

Lenny had an amazing play where he knocked a ball right out of the receiver's hands in the corner of the endzone right before the TD, so I know that he defended at least one.

He also had an excellent shoestring tackle on Tony Gonzalez. You guys have some serious tunnel vision here. If something goes wrong in the secondary, it must be Walls. I saw Foxworth roasted while covering Kennison a couple of times. Walls didnt get burned on every play.


You must be on crack !!

He NEVER came close to defending that play - he got a piece of the ball after he missed and the receiver dropped the ball. Then he throws his hands up like he made some sort of Bailey vs NO last year type of play.

Tunnel vision? Hardly - I wish I wouldn't have stopped recording to VHS tapes last year so that I could capture Walls' "game" - or lack thereof. Once I get a DVD burner and start recording from TiVo to disk i'll be putting up more of my vid captures - I'll show you Walls' good plays and bad plays.

The dude is friggin BLIND when the ball is in the air - he has no idea how to play the ball whatsoever. No balance - slips ALL the time - no awareness - good speed - excellent height - easily bites on the double move, then slips trying to catch up - hands can't be rated because he never turns for the ball but when they are thrown right to him he drops it.

You know, I can't even continue to rate the guy because i'm baffled at the fact that he has not gotten any better. The game he plays is the same game that he has always played (or at least last year) - he doesn't seem like he "gets" it and i'm not sure that he's capable of learning proper technique to be honest. How long has he been in our system now? Anyone have tape of him from previous years that they could capture vid from? I have the 2k3 season I think - that's when I switched to TiVo - that I could go thru if the subject continues.

Do I want him to get better? Umm HELL yeah - why wouldn't I? Whatever/whoever it takes for the TEAM that I root for. Do I think he will? Maybe enough to become a decent nickle back. Right now I say take a flyer on another rookie corner and start checking out his skill level. Foxworth, Paymah, Alexander whoever - Alexander has game experience, wouldn't bother me for him to play over Walls at least for a couple games. Getting beat by Reggie Wayne last year doesn't mean your a garbage corner - Wayne is a pretty damn good receiver so.......

Anywho - that's my take. I've never really liked Walls - maybe at the very beginning because of his size but once I started picking up on actual technique I was mortified ugh!~

[ozomulsion]

Alexander has game experience, wouldn't bother me for him to play over Walls at least for a couple games. Getting beat by Reggie Wayne last year doesn't mean your a garbage corner - Wayne is a pretty damn good receiver so.......

Alexander has the same problems as Walls. They both stink. Even when Champ went down, Alexander couldn't find his way on the field. There is a reason for this.

[Bronx33]

Comments?

He stinks...

[Drek]

Screw Walls. He's played worse so far this year than he did in '03, basically his "rookie" year. Sure he's tall, sure he can keep up with guys, but he has poor ball awareness and bad hands. I can live with that as long as he's a solid tackler, but he was far from it last night.

Strikes me as simply lack of effort on Walls part. We don't need that, he might be more experienced than Foxworth or Paymah, but at least those two will play hard. Walls makes the same stupid mental errors he's made his whole career and last night he didn't even put effort into finishing off plays. Thats not the type of guy I want on this team. Personally, I'd like to trade him for a pick or some OL depth before the deadline and resign Middlebrooks.

[Cito Pelon]

You must be on crack !!

He NEVER came close to defending that play - he got a piece of the ball after he missed and the receiver dropped the ball. Then he throws his hands up like he made some sort of Bailey vs NO last year type of play.

Tunnel vision? Hardly - I wish I wouldn't have stopped recording to VHS tapes last year so that I could capture Walls' "game" - or lack thereof. Once I get a DVD burner and start recording from TiVo to disk i'll be putting up more of my vid captures - I'll show you Walls' good plays and bad plays.

The dude is friggin BLIND when the ball is in the air - he has no idea how to play the ball whatsoever. No balance - slips ALL the time - no awareness - good speed - excellent height - easily bites on the double move, then slips trying to catch up - hands can't be rated because he never turns for the ball but when they are thrown right to him he drops it.

You know, I can't even continue to rate the guy because i'm baffled at the fact that he has not gotten any better. The game he plays is the same game that he has always played (or at least last year) - he doesn't seem like he "gets" it and i'm not sure that he's capable of learning proper technique to be honest. How long has he been in our system now? Anyone have tape of him from previous years that they could capture vid from? I have the 2k3 season I think - that's when I switched to TiVo - that I could go thru if the subject continues.

Do I want him to get better? Umm HELL yeah - why wouldn't I? Whatever/whoever it takes for the TEAM that I root for. Do I think he will? Maybe enough to become a decent nickle back. Right now I say take a flyer on another rookie corner and start checking out his skill level. Foxworth, Paymah, Alexander whoever - Alexander has game experience, wouldn't bother me for him to play over Walls at least for a couple games. Getting beat by Reggie Wayne last year doesn't mean your a garbage corner - Wayne is a pretty damn good receiver so.......

Anywho - that's my take. I've never really liked Walls - maybe at the very beginning because of his size but once I started picking up on actual technique I was mortified ugh!~

Obviuosly, Lenny has to pick himself off the turf and do what the coaches and his teammates expect of him. Let's hope he's the most disappointed of anybody. I'm sure he doesn't want to be thought of as the weak link in the D. Let's hope he realizes he's on his way to being thought of as the weak link. As I said before, he's not a total goof out there. He plays tight coverage when he doesn't make mistakes, is very smooth, seldom takes PI calls, he's pretty good actually. If there's somebody better, play him. Right now, Walls is needed to play better, 'cause the team needs him to play like he wants to win, not play to make a couple highlight PD's and that's good enough.

[Atlas]

Alexander has the same problems as Walls. They both stink. Even when Champ went down, Alexander couldn't find his way on the field. There is a reason for this.

Yeah the reason was because Shanny declared him inactive for the game. He'll be active next week.

[ozomulsion]

Yeah the reason was because Shanny declared him inactive for the game. He'll be active next week.

They let inactive players, play on special teams? I think not.

[Smilin Assassin]

They let inactive players, play on special teams? I think not.


Roc was activated, but he and Loius Green pulled their hammy's early in the game.

[DarkHorse]

Order must have been:

Champ
D Will
Walls
Foxworth
?
?

I saw Foxworth in Nickle - rewatching right now. I would have taken Foxworth over Walls - not sure where Alexander was in the pecking order. Either way, give me one of those other guys over Walls.

I'm telling you - review previous years games if you have access to them. Tell me if you see any improvement year to year with the guy.

[ozomulsion]

Roc was activated, but he and Loius Green pulled their hammy's early in the game.

Yep, it's pretty hard to get a tackle when you're not activated.

[DarkHorse]

Trade bait before he drops too far on our depth charts for other teams to notice. I think he's in contract year too right?

[BroncoSoja]

think you guys are completely forgetting the NATURE or the NFL these days. Corners are going to get beat....

Ofcourse there going to get beat but atleast when they get beat they should be able to tackle.. Hell even Dion would tackle his guy when the guy would rarely catch the ball... Walls makes Dion look like Lynch.

[BroncoBuff]

Say all you want about Carl, but not Lenny. NOT LENNY!

"I was saying Boo-Urns!" (see avatar)

[BroncoBuff]

Walls is always hurt and he does not match up well against fast or quick receivers, which alot of 3rd receivers are.

I hope Walls improves because if we meet Indy, we will need him.


I think we'll need four corners for Indy. But Lenny just cannot run. He's a good slot corner but he really is a two deep kind of guy. Walls has the athleticism, but they're both stiffs. Walls is gone after this year too, imo.

What games are you guys watching? Lenny Walls has world-class closing and recovery quickness, and excellent speed. He was repeatedly hurt last year - but it was the SAME INJURY OVER AND OVER! He had the guts to play with that harness.

I admit he does tackle a bit poorly, and the TD he gave up Monday night was really atrocious - but he is a solid #1 CB in this league. Anything less than the "force of nature" that is D-Will, and Lenny would still be starting, and we'd be happy to have him.

Besides, Shanahan and Coyer and Slwoik and Spencer love the guy - I can't argue with them. They've positioned the salary cap to make him an offer next year, and Lenny even dumped Rosenhaus as his agent - in favor of that Bronco-friendly duo based in Denver. I think Shanny whispered to him on that.

It's fashionable to bash Lenny right now, but the guys a cover machine - really. In fact, he was #2 in the AFC (or NFL?) in passes defensed in 2003.

[epa86b@netzero]

What games are you guys watching? Lenny Walls has world-class closing and recovery quickness, and excellent speed. He was repeatedly hurt last year - but it was the SAME INJURY OVER AND OVER! He had the guts to play with that harness.

I admit he does tackle a bit poorly, and the TD he gave up Monday night was really atrocious - but he is a solid #1 CB in this league. Anything less than the "force of nature" that is D-Will, and Lenny would still be starting, and we'd be happy to have him.

Besides, Shanahan and Coyer and Slwoik and Spencer love the guy - I can't argue with them. They've positioned the salary cap to make him an offer next year, and Lenny even dumped Rosenhaus as his agent - in favor of that Bronco-friendly duo based in Denver. I think Shanny whispered to him on that.

It's fashionable to bash Lenny right now, but the guys a cover machine - really. In fact, he was #2 in the AFC (or NFL?) in passes defensed in 2003.

I am alittle unclear about your response. Are you real or are you being sarcastic? Even if he has had the same injury, he has been consistently off the field through the last couple of years. Lenny's actions speak SO LOUD on the field that I cannot heard your words to defend him.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/DB-TACKLES/2003/regular?&_3:col_1=11

Lenny was not #2 in the AFC in passes defensed in 2003. If you look at that list, Kelly Herndon is higher on that list than Lenny with more INTs.

I do think that the coaching staff was in love with Lenny before the season started and LEnny was the choosen one this offseason. However, Lenny is starting to become the unchoosen one. For example, he was demoted.

If DWill was not here, I would not be happy with LEnny's performance thus far this year because he is the "comfy corner" who gives hella cushion.

[Mediator12]

And besides the TD where is your evidence for the five plays?

I'm not saying the guy is good, but your distortion of facts and attitude make him come off as the worst player in the league. Obviously he can play or else we would have taken him off of RFA instead of Herndon.

He made two plays...the end zone and the slant. Did the WR catch the ball there? NO!!

Obviously the coaches feel he can play otherwise they would have stuck in Foxworth when Champ went down.

Alright, He missed a tackle on Kennison for a third down pickup that gave KC 1st and goal from the seven instead of a FG attempt from the 37. He missed two tackles on Running plays to Holmes in the third Q first possession. He missed another tackle later on LJ and then the obvious one for the TD on Sammie Parker.

So far YOU have been completely Incorrect in your criticisms rascal. I have never Questioned Lenny's Talent and Athletic Ability. I have Questioned the ONLY thing that matters in his GAMEDAY performances the last three Weeks.

He has a 17 for 24 pass completion ratio for 71% with only one PD and three Breakups. He has missed 12 tackles in three games to date. He has Given up three TD's Directly from his missed tackles and almost given up two more.

Now, would you like to try this again without accusing me of distorting the facts when you have no idea what they are yourself?

[anthonypacino]

Alright, He missed a tackle on Kennison for a third down pickup that gave KC 1st and goal from the seven instead of a FG attempt from the 37. He missed two tackles on Running plays to Holmes in the third Q first possession. He missed another tackle later on LJ and then the obvious one for the TD on Sammie Parker.

So far YOU have been completely Incorrect in your criticisms rascal. I have never Questioned Lenny's Talent and Athletic Ability. I have Questioned the ONLY thing that matters in his GAMEDAY performances the last three Weeks.

He has a 17 for 24 pass completion ratio for 71% with only one PD and three Breakups. He has missed 12 tackles in three games to date. He has Given up three TD's Directly from his missed tackles and almost given up two more.

Now, would you like to try this again without accusing me of distorting the facts when you have no idea what they are yourself?
I have always thought with his size and ability that Lenny would be the man to handle such AFC guys as Gates and Gonzales, and with the new rule changes effecting tough physical DB's I believe the Offenses will start to revolve back to the smaller, speedier WR's, likewise with the CB's. Could Lenny's height (good for the current trend of large strong WR's) be bad for the smaller guys, he really has to break down and hug the ground to be able to put a shot on someone?

[Garcia Bronco]

What I want to know is when is somebody gonna take Walls out in the street and play music on his chin like he deserves for being a POS and letting KC score a TD. Worthless SOB.

[ncjmirabile]

Actually, that play was not amazing. Walls was never looking back. He was beat on that one, and he was either lucky, or was athletic enough that he didn't cause a PI on that one.

BUT the receiver flat out dropped the ball !

Lenny tried swiping the ball of the first time, and whiffed. He swiped again later, whilst the ball was on the way to the ground ( out of bounds ).

And yes, Foxworth has been getting beat regularly in the last couple of games.

At NFL.com, Foxworth getting beat is on the highlight reel. I think there is a highlight of Hall catching a pass on D-Williams.

[DB-Freak]

Ncj, now you just seem like you have something against DArrent Williams.

W.E it is, Darrent has performed better than Walls so far.

[ozomulsion]

Ncj, now you just seem like you have something against DArrent Williams.

W.E it is, Darrent has performed better than Walls so far.

He does and it's clear. I posted the official combine numbers of his size (5-9) and weight (176) and he said he doesn't trust it. Get this, because he he doesn't know what method they use to measure them by. Try a measuring stick.

[DivineLegion]

Darrant Williams had a realy freaking nice Tackle on Priest Holms I think even though I used to be a Walls homer Williams deserves the start!

[DB-Freak]

He does and it's clear. I posted the official combine numbers of his size (5-9) and weight (176) and he said he doesn't trust it. Get this, because he he doesn't know what method they use to measure them by. Try a measuring stick.
If there is something I "call" on, Karl Paymah will not be better than DW at any point of his career.

[Mediator12]

So, where are you rascal??? Lenny walls HAS NOT done anything at all ALL YEAR for four games in a row. Still want to defend him???

[bendog]

broncobuff:

no offense, but get a clue: I'm one of the few not bashing Walls. But the fact is that he's going into a FA year, and with Champ Den cannot afford him unless he keeps playing like he's playing.

I cannot figure the guy. He was never pretty in coverage, but his wingspan, height and long stride let him look at the QB and recover. Now he looks like detla dawn with his back to the QB and not reacting to the ball

[Odysseus]

Screw Walls. He's played worse so far this year than he did in '03, basically his "rookie" year. Sure he's tall, sure he can keep up with guys, but he has poor ball awareness and bad hands. I can live with that as long as he's a solid tackler, but he was far from it last night.

Strikes me as simply lack of effort on Walls part. We don't need that, he might be more experienced than Foxworth or Paymah, but at least those two will play hard. Walls makes the same stupid mental errors he's made his whole career and last night he didn't even put effort into finishing off plays. Thats not the type of guy I want on this team. Personally, I'd like to trade him for a pick or some OL depth before the deadline and resign Middlebrooks.

I think Walls has outlived his stay with the Broncos. How do you have a rookie bet you out of a job and have any way to get your "groove" back. The guy needs a fresh start. If he figures it out I'm not convinced he'll stay consistent. I was hyped when we got him but think surely after three years that he's not going to keep making the same mistakes.

Our CB position is critical and it has to remain deep. If you look at what KC and Oakland are doing today you'll see we need to get on this bigtime.

[bloodsunday]

So, where are you rascal??? Lenny walls HAS NOT done anything at all ALL YEAR for four games in a row. Still want to defend him???
The worst part is his attitude. He is constantly chirping at the refs and acting like he is the ****. That is what bothers me. Guys slump, but if they have a good attitude and work hard they can overcome.

[Cito Pelon]

. . . . . .Our CB position is critical and it has to remain deep. If you look at what KC and Oakland are doing today you'll see we need to get on this bigtime.

Damn right, and that's why the coaching staff is going to keep trying to make sure Lenny makes a complete game. THIS GUY IS NEEDED! I sure hope he responds. It doesn't look like the rest of the D is all that hot on him. I said before this game that he can't be satisfied to be the weakest link in the D, just be staisfied with making 1-2 good plays each game. But maybe that's all the guy is ever going to be. Too bad for him. I sure hope he mans up. It doesn't look like his teammates have a whole lot of respect for him.