Tired of seeing the Patriots win?

[brncs_fan]

They just keep getting it done. SB wins in three of the last four years, and making a strong case for a third straight, something that has never been done before. In a league where you can be up one minute and down the next, is it more refreshing to see a constant, or are you sick of it yet?

[-Slap-]

I certainly can't begrudge them their success. None of them are especially unlikable, either. Worse alternatives, in my opinion.

[24champ]

Who cares?

[PatsWin2002]

I said "no".

[DBroncos4life]

I said "no".


I'll kick you in the soynuts for that. Nnyah!

[Garcia Bronco]

I said "no".

Funkin Homer Nnyah!

[PatsWin2002]

Timing is everything on this board. :)

[Kaylore]

I am. Mostly because its boring having the same teams do well and get all the press. I'm actually kind of glad to see teams like the Bengals and Tampa Bay doing well because its kind of different and refreshing.

[brncs_fan]

I am. Mostly because its boring having the same teams do well and get all the press. I'm actually kind of glad to see teams like the Bengals and Tampa Bay doing well because its kind of different and refreshing.

agreed

[ZachKC]

No.

[PatsWin2002]

I am. Mostly because its boring having the same teams do well and get all the press. I'm actually kind of glad to see teams like the Bengals and Tampa Bay doing well because its kind of different and refreshing.

But not Miami. ugh!~

[ScottXray]

I'm tired of seeing them win...but I'm glad they did today. I was hoping they would knock off Big Ben and the Steelers. Mainly cause I can't stand Cowher for some reason. Don't know what it is, but I want him to feel PAIN and discomfort every time I see that mug of his. Also we don't want any 15-1 teams in the AFC this year. :captain:

[Kaylore]

But not Miami. ugh!~
Oh no joke. After my experience on FinHeaven, I pray you guys beat the living piss out of them. There isn't a fan group who I would love to see more disappointed right now.

[DarkHorse30]

Patsies have been lucky to not be facing a rebuilt Bronco team in the playoffs. I am simply not scared of that team AT ALL. Vinatieri wins football games for them....but not very often against Denver's first string or 2nd string QB.

The great thing about NE though, is how much trouble they give Indy and Pittsburgh. Funny stuff.

[24champ]

Oh no joke. After my experience on FinHeaven, I pray you guys beat the living piss out of them. There isn't a fan group who I would love to see more disappointed right now.

why you gotta bring up that horrible experience? Finhaven is the absolute worse board there is online. Patswin kick the crap out of the fins please.... :charge:

[ludo21]

I said just beat up the AFC W.

I know the Pats will continue to do well, but with all the injuries it'll bite them in the playoffs for sure.

Patswin, Light still out or did he come back??

[PatsWin2002]

Oh no joke. After my experience on FinHeaven, I pray you guys beat the living piss out of them. There isn't a fan group who I would love to see more disappointed right now.

I popped over to Finheaven a while ago. Naturally I came across a classless Pats-hating thread. Mostly the teenagers there whined about how lucky we were again.....how the Steelers manhandled us all game, but the luck came through again. Of course, the opposite is true.....the Pats pounded them today in a physical game that would've been like 40-10 if we hadn't kept them in it.

As if it happens just to make Fin fans miserable.

You'd think they'd be happy with another win. They're gonna become more intolerable soon. VERY soon.

[24champ]

I popped over to Finheaven a while ago. Naturally I came across a classless Pats-hating thread. Mostly the teenagers there whined about how lucky we were again.....how the Steelers manhandled us all game, but the luck came through again. Of course, the opposite is true.....the Pats pounded them today in a physical game that would've been like 40-10 if we hadn't kept them in it.

As if it happens just to make Fin fans miserable.

You'd think they'd be happy with another win. They're gonna become more intolerable soon. VERY soon.

that pretty much describes fin haven....patswin do you ever post on there?

[PatsWin2002]

Matt Light did not come back. Neither did Rodney Harrison. Other guys filled in nicely, but we'll have to see what the updated injury reports are...... as soon as Belichick releases some "useful" info.

[PatsWin2002]

that pretty much describes fin haven....patswin do you ever post on there?

Hardly ever any more. Like most boards there are cool people and some knuckleheads.

Their knucklehead to cool person ratio is as high as I've ever seen. That board shows people's ages if they've entered them and there's WAY too many teenagers over there....the kind of idiots that post stuff like "I hope the Pats team plane crashes".

And then there are plenty more to agree until some older, more grounded individual tells them how stupid that is.

I don't post there because I don't like getting attacked for no reason....especially by people that are younger than part of my wardrobe. :)

[ludo21]

Hardly ever any more. Like most boards there are cool people and some knuckleheads.

Their knucklehead to cool person ratio is as high as I've ever seen. That board shows people's ages if they've entered them and there's WAY too many teenagers over there....the kind of idiots that post stuff like "I hope the Pats team plane crashes".

And then there are plenty more to agree until some older, more grounded individual tells them how stupid that is.

I don't post there because I don't like getting attacked for no reason....especially by people that are younger than part of my wardrobe. :)


Old man PatsWin gettin punked by the little teens. :D

[Rocket 7]

I have to give alot of props to the Patriots. This is a classy team. If you play physical they beat you physical. If you make it a finesse (sp) game. They will beat you. I don't know what "IT" is but they have it

[Kaylore]

Hardly ever any more. Like most boards there are cool people and some knuckleheads.

Their knucklehead to cool person ratio is as high as I've ever seen. That board shows people's ages if they've entered them and there's WAY too many teenagers over there....the kind of idiots that post stuff like "I hope the Pats team plane crashes".

And then there are plenty more to agree until some older, more grounded individual tells them how stupid that is.

I don't post there because I don't like getting attacked for no reason....especially by people that are younger than part of my wardrobe. :)
Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. The biggest thing is the Idiot/Good poster ratio. If you have a decent conversation with someone, it will only be a few posts before the turds hijack it with name calling and garbage. There are some good takes, but almost not worth the time to sift through all the horrible ones. It'd be like if an Elephant took a dump on a your wallet and you didn't have a whole lot in there. Just walk away.

[-Slap-]

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. The biggest thing is the Idiot/Good poster ratio. If you have a decent conversation with someone, it will only be a few posts before the turds hijack it with name calling and garbage. There are some good takes, but almost not worth the time to sift through all the horrible ones. It'd be like if an Elephant took a dump on a your wallet and you didn't have a whole lot in there. Just walk away.
Hmm, I'm trying to assign a dollar figure that would be worth digging through elephant manure. I guess it might depend on what the elephant had recently eaten.

[Cito Pelon]

I have to give alot of props to the Patriots. This is a classy team. If you play physical they beat you physical. If you make it a finesse (sp) game. They will beat you. I don't know what "IT" is but they have it

Yup, they have "it". And it is amazing teams like the Broncs can't find "it". I always played to attack and therfor have fun, and let the chips fall where they may. Sometimes I ran into a coaching staff that thought they could out-coach/out-smart the opposing staff. Made victories difficult. Got too caught up in the chess-match and lost sight of finding out who could kick who's ass. Best bet is to find the balance between the two. So here's to Shanny & Co finding the balance.

[sirhcyennek81]

Patriots win, but lately they are making more mistakes then they are accustomed to. Its a chink, but any team is hard to beat on any sunday, patriots just so happen to win more often then not lately. No team, however, stays on top forever.

[Crushaholic]

It doesn't matter to me what the Patriots do. I'm just worried about what the Broncos will do...

[24champ]

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. The biggest thing is the Idiot/Good poster ratio. If you have a decent conversation with someone, it will only be a few posts before the turds hijack it with name calling and garbage. There are some good takes, but almost not worth the time to sift through all the horrible ones. It'd be like if an Elephant took a dump on a your wallet and you didn't have a whole lot in there. Just walk away.

good analogy kahn. Hilarious! finhaven posters = elephant dung.

[PatsWin2002]

Patriots win, but lately they are making more mistakes then they are accustomed to. Its a chink, but any team is hard to beat on any sunday, patriots just so happen to win more often then not lately. No team, however, stays on top forever.

What impresses me is the talent they acquire. We used to be terrible at it....in an LA Clipper kind of way.

Now it doesn't matter if they draft a guy the "experts" didn't have on their board or take a malcontent from another team.....these guys come here and drink the Kool Aid and fill their roles magnificently.

Like today, for instance. Look at the way we covered the loss of Harrison and Light. And you all know about last year with Law going down.

Belichick and Pioli keep getting the RIGHT guys for our system. I doubt other teams have the depth and readiness we have. That's all Belichick....the preparation freak.

[24champ]

What impresses me is the talent they acquire. We used to be terrible at it....in an LA Clipper kind of way.

Now it doesn't matter if they draft a guy the "experts" didn't have on their board or take a malcontent from another team.....these guys come here and drink the Kool Aid and fill their roles magnificently.

Like today, for instance. Look at the way we covered the loss of Harrison and Light. And you all know about last year with Law going down.

Belichick and Pioli keep getting the RIGHT guys for our system. I doubt other teams have the depth and readiness we have. That's all Belichick....the preparation freak.

well how come he didnt have success elsewhere? Its not like Belechick didnt coach anywhere else. Mucho props to belechick.

[Atlas]

I'm suprised the Pats one, I shouldn't be, They made Pittsburgh look ordinary. I would love to see Denver play at that level.

[PatsWin2002]

well how come he didnt have success elsewhere? Its not like Belechick didnt coach anywhere else. Mucho props to belechick.

Probably growing pains. There are a few great coaches that didn't do well in their first head coaching gig.

Plus the league wasn't all salary cap back then. With everything even these days, Belichick gets to show how good he really is.

[Play2win]

Because of my upbringing, I'll just bite my toungue right now ;D

[Liebs]

tipped int (mobley, or gold?) into the patriots hands setting up the game winning fg still chaps my ass

[Play2win]

I am. Mostly because its boring having the same teams do well and get all the press. I'm actually kind of glad to see teams like the Bengals and Tampa Bay doing well because its kind of different and refreshing.

I've been saying for a couple of years TAMPA is going to be fine. Grunge-Boy is a HELL of a coach. He will show very good success, very soon. He knows what he is doing, and it is showing, though, one season before I thought it would.

[Play2win]

BTW- I actually get more joy in seeing the PATS drop games than even the _aiders...

[PatsWin2002]

BTW- I actually get more joy in seeing the PATS drop games than even the _aiders...

Yes, we know.

It's what makes you so "loveable". ugh!~ !Booya!

[Play2win]

Yes, we know.

It's what makes you so "loveable". ugh!~ !Booya!

But to understand the full weight of my comments, you would have **Had** to bleed Orange and Blue, and not just be a witness to (OUR) history.

(No offense) ;D

[Bronco Yoda]

I'm just tired of our good but not great team not making any noise in the playoffs last few years.

As for the Pats, I have a lot of respect for their coach and versitle depth. If not the Broncos.....then better them than our hated rivals or divisional foes.

That being said I don't see the Pats winning it all again this year. They've lost too much and others have gained.

[Play2win]

I'm just tired of our good but not great team not making any noise in the playoffs last few years.

As for the Pats, I have a lot of respect for their coach and versitle depth. If not the Broncos.....then better them than our hated rivals or divisional foes.

That being said I don't see the Pats winning it all again this year. They've lost too much and others have gained.

The Pats are just like that guy on Jepordy, coincidences are nice, but when too many happen, you start to wonder. SCREW THAT, you know something's UP!!

[meangene]

I can't help but admire that team. The Pats string may well run out this year depending on all the injuries, but they won't go down easily. It was like they said during the game last night - they keep fighting longer than other teams. It's a mental toughness I wish Denver had and it's what I think the team has missed.

[Play2win]

I can't help but admire that team.
:TJnPopps:

[meangene]

:TJnPopps:

Ha! You know you admire them too even if it makes you sick - what's even worse for me is my dad is from freakin Boston and I still can't hate them.

[watermock]

The Pats are just like that guy on Jepordy, coincidences are nice, but when too many happen, you start to wonder. SCREW THAT, you know something's UP!!

Well, it seemed rather odd that the "Patriots" have been winning since 9/11 like clockwork...heh..It's like that rigged game show from the 50's, the 56,000 dollar question.

But honestly, other than the "tuck" which we all still chuckle about and jab FaiderFan about, and some absolute mugging by their LB's past the 5 yard limit that they turned a blind eye on, nope...nothing wrong here....

Seriously, we appreciate Brady and his contribution to sending Greasy Al to his grave a bitter man who hasn't won much since the Reagan administration.

The coup de gras was when Callahan didn't change play calls when they played Tampa in the SuperBowl. That was pure genius. Of course when your running a prison, changing the orders can confuse the inmates and incite a riot. That game reminded me so much of when Shanahan knew exactly what Reeves was going to call on MNF in OT in 88? it was around that time, where Elway flipped off Shanahan for picking his pocket.

So other than getting by with murder on the "tuck" and abusing the no contact rule to the point that it's become ludicrous to breath on someone, I don't have a real problem. There have been plenty of instances where New England just steps up and wins the game late.

If PatsFan wasn't such a likeable guy, it would be easier to hate them. If Brady wasn't such a likeable guy, it would be easier to hate them. Bilichick is a grump, but he's straight up like Shanahan. He's easy to hate, but not hard to respect. I mean, who didn't expect Brady to squirm down the field and have Vinetari kick the game winner?

Funniest thing is Brady does it with a revolving cast...He's the closest thing to Elway since Montana. It's so odd because he doesn't have great mobility, has a good but not great arm, good but not dominant offense around him, but the guy just keeps winning.

Brady was 12-12 in the 4th quarter. First since 1995 for a QB to do that. Then they bring in Mr. Clutch to kick the winner.

[OrangeShadow]

yeah,just cuz im in new england and its all i see

[fontaine]

As a football fan, how could you get tired of watching a football team win when they are one of the only teams in the league that play all around solid, fundamental football without the usual flavor clown antics?

The Pats don't have a Moss, Sapp, or TO. The only guy that used to come close is Dillon and now that he's been in a team where no one player is more important than the other, he knows his place and has learned to STFU.

I'd much rather watch the Pats win because they do it by great team play where every single player believes in the team and plays to win rather than pumping up their stats or trying to get as much airplay on primetime by celebrating every first down, tackle or good play.

Hopefully Cedric Cobbs learned a thing or two about hard work and being part of a team in his time with the Pats and can translate it into a success story in Denver. I'd love it if we could get this talented powerback to produce in our system next year.

[yavoon]

god their schedule is all kinds of awful though. thats just brutality.

[yavoon]

well how come he didnt have success elsewhere? Its not like Belechick didnt coach anywhere else. Mucho props to belechick.

where else did he not have success? his only other head coaching stop was cleveland. before head coaching? defensive genius winning superbowls for parcells. seems to me that he has mostly had success in his career.

[Drek]

well how come he didnt have success elsewhere? Its not like Belechick didnt coach anywhere else. Mucho props to belechick.
Pioli's a big part of it, he's a great GM. Together they hit in the draft and with FA signings much more consistantly than your average team.

I honestly don't see where the mystery is though. They're a well coached team, they got somewhat lucky with Tom Brady, though it was a smart draft choice, just lucky no one else was smart enough to look past the arm and mobility to see a heady QB who'd never give up. Their LBs and DBs can play well because they perform in a system where they always have help, they just need to play within their talent levels and never stop working hard.

The real X factor for the Patriots is their lines. If you look at where they spend high draft picks since Pioli and Belechick teamed up its almost always along the OL or DL. OLs and DLs bust a whole lot less often but are a key to any good team. People say they have no exceptional talent, I disagree. Warren was a top 15 pick, Seymour was a top 10, Vince Wilfork slid and he went around 20th. On the OL they have guys like Light (2nd rounder), Mankins (1st rounder), etc.. They understand the importance of winning the battle at the line. Offensively that makes Brady's job nothing more than sitting back and picking a defense apart, defensively that makes the LBs and DBs know that sooner than later one of those studs on the DL will get free and pressure the QB into a throw, so they just play their roles and wait for opportunities.

Its a system built entirely on their lines and they always keep talented lines. I wish we'd do the same and build premier OLs and DLs.

[Old Dude]

I think the Pats day in the sun is just about over. The injuries are starting to accumulate and the rest of the AFC East is starting to show signs of life.

The Pats have been a great team, but they've also been the beneficiary of struggling division foes in Miami, Buffalo and as often as not in NY. None of those three is a powerhouse right now, but they aren't the pushovers they've been for most of the past few years.

[Rohirrim]

Screw Bellycheck, the Pats have a QB that would match up well with Montana. He wins games.

[bendog]

I'm not sure. I've always though spitboy was a horrible coach with a good front office and a penchant for finding linebackers. I wonder how much better big ben would be with a coach how molds the offense to the qb's talents ... like Walsh or Shanny ... or even homegrown.

[yavoon]

Pioli's a big part of it, he's a great GM. Together they hit in the draft and with FA signings much more consistantly than your average team.

I honestly don't see where the mystery is though. They're a well coached team, they got somewhat lucky with Tom Brady, though it was a smart draft choice, just lucky no one else was smart enough to look past the arm and mobility to see a heady QB who'd never give up. Their LBs and DBs can play well because they perform in a system where they always have help, they just need to play within their talent levels and never stop working hard.

The real X factor for the Patriots is their lines. If you look at where they spend high draft picks since Pioli and Belechick teamed up its almost always along the OL or DL. OLs and DLs bust a whole lot less often but are a key to any good team. People say they have no exceptional talent, I disagree. Warren was a top 15 pick, Seymour was a top 10, Vince Wilfork slid and he went around 20th. On the OL they have guys like Light (2nd rounder), Mankins (1st rounder), etc.. They understand the importance of winning the battle at the line. Offensively that makes Brady's job nothing more than sitting back and picking a defense apart, defensively that makes the LBs and DBs know that sooner than later one of those studs on the DL will get free and pressure the QB into a throw, so they just play their roles and wait for opportunities.

Its a system built entirely on their lines and they always keep talented lines. I wish we'd do the same and build premier OLs and DLs.

the DL yes, the OL the patriots barely have anyone. they regularly let OL's go and replace them w/ rookie/inexperienced low round picks.

[bronco militia]

I certainly can't begrudge them their success. None of them are especially unlikable, either. Worse alternatives, in my opinion.

yep

[bendog]

I've enjoyed the Pats, though I didn't like the addition of Harrison, but a top notch organization and pretty classy guys. Wouldn't mind seeing them win another. And everyone they win must drive buffalo fans just a bit more ... nuts.

[Drek]

the DL yes, the OL the patriots barely have anyone. they regularly let OL's go and replace them w/ rookie/inexperienced low round picks.
They drafted a 1st round OG this year when everyone said they needed to go DB, he's starting. Light was a 2nd rounder who's a starter and arguably pro-bowl worthy. Damien Woody was an important part of the team before he left, and was a 1st rounder. They got raided hard this year in FA, but have filled the holes by bringing in quality FAs and because they aren't afraid to stock up on OL depth in later rounds.

I'm not saying they have an all world OL, just that they have shown a preference towards OLs and DLs with earlier picks over other positions. They've been forced to bring up later picks as starers now, but those later picks were guys they took to be depth in years past, but have since earned themselves a promotion. Still, many of them are 4th and 5th rounders. Comparatively the Broncos have 6th and 7th rounders or FA bargain bin guys for our OL depth.

I'm not saying they stock up on 1st and 2nd round OLs every year, just that they've shown a willingness to draft the position early and often throughout their run. Thats why when guys go down they have quality guys stepping up to fill in.

[yavoon]

They drafted a 1st round OG this year when everyone said they needed to go DB, he's starting. Light was a 2nd rounder who's a starter and arguably pro-bowl worthy. Damien Woody was an important part of the team before he left, and was a 1st rounder. They got raided hard this year in FA, but have filled the holes by bringing in quality FAs and because they aren't afraid to stock up on OL depth in later rounds.

I'm not saying they have an all world OL, just that they have shown a preference towards OLs and DLs with earlier picks over other positions. They've been forced to bring up later picks as starers now, but those later picks were guys they took to be depth in years past, but have since earned themselves a promotion. Still, many of them are 4th and 5th rounders. Comparatively the Broncos have 6th and 7th rounders or FA bargain bin guys for our OL depth.

I'm not saying they stock up on 1st and 2nd round OLs every year, just that they've shown a willingness to draft the position early and often throughout their run. Thats why when guys go down they have quality guys stepping up to fill in.

they let woody and andruzzi go. the reason they started mankins is they think they can get away w/ it. thats been their attitude w/ everyone but light, we like it when u do well but we aren't going to pay for anything on our oline.

also a lot of the guys who "step in" and have stepped in for the patriots are way late round picks. they run their oline on the VERY cheap. they draft it, but a lot of those draftees get thrown in very quickly. I guess in theory they could be cheaper by only drafting past round 4 AND throwing them in right away. but overall the patriots are pretty damn cheap on their oline.

[footstepsfrom#27]

It's tough to hate the Pats. They don't seem to have any bad apples on that team...or else they do a nice job of keeping it quiet. I don't see any TO's, Mosses, Romos, Irvines, McMahans, Sapps, Jimmy Johnsons, etc...nobody whining they're not paid enough or cussing out the coach...no glory hounds or drama queens...just a class act.

[Needa Pass Rush]

At this point, I am much more eager to see the KC win streak stopped! Let it be done! :charge:

[bloodsunday]

I certainly can't begrudge them their success. None of them are especially unlikable, either. Worse alternatives, in my opinion.
Yup. I agree. I like Tom Brady and I absolutely love the team concept and passion they play with. If we lose our starting left tackle and starting saftey tonight I'll bet money we are making excuses about why we lost tomorrow. I can already see Shanny, "not many teams can lose their starting left tackle and win a game against a good team like the Chiefs". Excuseville. They truly don't care. They don't make excuses. They don't allow themselves an opportunity to look back at the end of the season and say "if this or that". They play the hand they are dealt.

I would say the only player they could not stand to lose is Brady.