Is Deltha Oneal Finally "Getting It"

[GonzoLays]

He had another INT this game, giving him four for the season.

I can't believe we moved this guy to wide receiver. Think about it, for a professional player to switch from defense to offense, you have to be as inept of a defensive player as there is in the league.

We really wiffed on that move.

[Ratboy]

DJ Williams or Deltha O'neal?

You can choose.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Just another failed Shanahan personnel move.

[Tredici]

Who in the Cincy backfield didn't have an interception today? One of the poorest first half performances by a rookie QB we've seen in awhile.

Deltha didn't have to work too hard.

[GonzoLays]

Four interceptions vs Nine tackles...

Hmmm....

[Ballhawk]

Just another failed Shanahan personnel move.

Ya it is a wonder that we ever win a game with the total lack of talent we have hmmm...

[Spider]

Didnt Deltha light it up early for us also ?
then faded out ? I know he had a rought time under Ray Rhodes , perhaps he is getting over that .......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ya it is a wonder that we ever win a game with the total lack of talent we have hmmm...

There's no denying Shanahan has made several blunders when it comes to personnel in recent years, especially at the CB position.

[Clockwork Orange]

Just another failed Shanahan personnel move.

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[Bob's your Information Minister]

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We ain't perfect either.

[Spider]

We ain't perfect either.
Biggest blunder ever .... all we need is Gunther ........

[Florida_Bronco]

Just another failed Shanahan personnel move.

If you are referring to us drafting him...please consult with TrInt Green on this failed personnel move.

That is all.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Biggest blunder ever .... all we need is Gunther ........

The real blunder was standing pat on D.

[Rocket 7]

He had another INT this game, giving him four for the season.

I can't believe we moved this guy to wide receiver. Think about it, for a professional player to switch from defense to offense, you have to be as inept of a defensive player as there is in the league.

We really wiffed on that move.
Letting go of Willie Brown was way worse

[Ratboy]

Four interceptions vs Nine tackles...

Hmmm....

I wonder if you would make this tread again if Northcutt (i believe) would toast Deltha Oneal for 99 yards again.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If you are referring to us drafting him...please consult with TrInt Green on this failed personnel move.

That is all.

I am referring to you letting him go, obviously.

[Spider]

Lamont Jordan is starting to rank up there in blunders

[Ballhawk]

There's no denying Shanahan has made several blunders when it comes to personnel in recent years, especially at the CB position.

No Worries, we will just trade off another RB to fill the holes.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No Worries, we will just trade off another RB to fill the holes.

I am sure someone will go for one of the washed-up slow guys you have this year.

[Ballhawk]

I am sure someone will go for one of the washed-up slow guys you have this year.

Ya we will just showcase them for 150 yards or maybe 5 TDs on the Chiefs ;)

[Northman]

DJ Williams or Deltha O'neal?

You can choose.


Unfortuantely, we had some good linebackers already. i would take those turnovers now over DJ.

[24champ]

Lamont Jordan is starting to rank up there in blunders

he is a distant second to the entire chiefs defense.....with the exception of DJ.

[MEshawnj]

Lamont Jordan is starting to rank up there in blunders

No doubt about that.

[Garcia Bronco]

I thinkwe realized our secondary problem last season when we removed Gibbs. Champ basically said...this guy doesn't know what he's doing....and I think that tells me what I need to know. Make no mistake...O'Neal had given up here. Obviously we thought he had the talent...we drafted him in the first round. He's finally growing up and learning his craft. Good for him. Wish he would have done it here.

[Rocket 7]

Lamont Jordan is starting to rank up there in blunders
Were talking Raiders here. We'll have to process Marinovich and Russell to rank this up there. Joe Bugle and Mike White are in the way

[24champ]

I thinkwe realized our secondary problem last season when we removed Gibbs. Champ basically said...this guy doesn't know what he's doing....and I think that tells me what I need to know. Make no mistake...O'Neal had given up here. Obviously we thought he had the talent...we drafted him in the first round. He's finally growing up and learning his craft. Good for him. Wish he would have done it here.

yeah i agree. Oneal didnt have any heart to play football.

[Spider]

Were talking Raiders here. We'll have to process Marinovich and Russell to rank this up there. Joe Bugle and Mike White are in the way
Rep!!!!!!!!!!

[HEAV]

I'll take DJ over Delta any day.

[Orange4Life]

Dealtha was always capable of making a play. Even made a few of them. But it was aways a question of consitancy with Deltha, and he never had that. I hope he plays well he seemed like a decent guy when he was here it just didn't work out.

[TheReverend]

I'm actually pretty sure Deltha has 5 picks already this year and he was always good. It's the coaches job to adjust to maximize personnel talents. Blame the D-co's not Deltha... outstanding football player.

[GonzoLays]

Its not like we trade Deltha for DJ straight up. It was Deltha AND the 24 pick for the 17th pick. It gets a bit more difficult after that. He is on the cheap as well, I think signing a three year deal with Cincy.

[TheReverend]

Who in the Cincy backfield didn't have an interception today? One of the poorest first half performances by a rookie QB we've seen in awhile.

Deltha didn't have to work too hard.

He had 3 off of Daunte Culpepper last week.

[HEAV]

Dealtha was always capable of making a play. Even made a few of them. But it was aways a question of consitancy with Deltha, and he never had that. I hope he plays well he seemed like a decent guy when he was here it just didn't work out.


Not to mention would fall apart mentally after a big play.

[24champ]

Delthea blew that Monday Nighter against the Patrtiots. He just didnt work out here.

[Bronco9798]

Just because a guy moves on and does well, that doesn't mean if he would of stayed with the team he left he would of done the same thing as the team he went to.

Did that make sense? I'm not sure.

We could list names all day. It's stupid when someone leaves and they do better somewhere else to say, "We shouldn't of got rid of them".

[MEshawnj]

Not to mention would fall apart mentally after a big play.

Sad but true

[TheReverend]

Delthea blew that Monday Nighter against the Patrtiots. He just didnt work out here.

Pretty rare that a player loses a game by himself.

[Clockwork Orange]

Pretty rare that a player loses a game by himself.

Pretty obvious when a player quits on the field.

[clean]

Four interceptions vs Nine tackles...

Hmmm....

Deltha has more interceptions in three games than his last season with Denver. Everyone should remember this game:

"To make matters worse, O'Neal misjudged where the ball was coming down on a punt return on a free kick after Denver got a safety with 2:51 left in the game, and had to rush back to recover it. He landed on the ball at the 15, giving Denver poor field position when the Broncos needed it most trying to run out the clock.

"It's always touch when you get one-on-one coverage and you get beat," Shanahan said. "It is the nature of the position. I was more disappointed when he didn't field that punt. That was 25 or 30 yards of field position."

O'Neal had no comment after the game, blowing off reporter's questions.

O'Neal began the season as the team's starting cornerback, but was eventually replaced after ineffectual play by second year starter Kelly Herndon.

O'Neal's downward spiral continued when he fumbled two punts against Kansas City, one that resulted in a Kansas City touchdown."

http://www.greeleytrib.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031104/SPORTS/111040054/-1/FRONTPAGE


Hmmm....

[Ballhawk]

If Deltha was released tomorrow I still wouldn't want him. Same for Griese, Although I would take CP back :)

[MEshawnj]

Deltha has more interceptions in three games than his last season with Denver.

http://www.greeleytrib.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031104/SPORTS/111040054/-1/FRONTPAGE

"To make matters worse, O'Neal misjudged where the ball was coming down on a punt return on a free kick after Denver got a safety with 2:51 left in the game, and had to rush back to recover it. He landed on the ball at the 15, giving Denver poor field position when the Broncos needed it most trying to run out the clock.

"It's always touch when you get one-on-one coverage and you get beat," Shanahan said. "It is the nature of the position. I was more disappointed when he didn't field that punt. That was 25 or 30 yards of field position."

O'Neal had no comment after the game, blowing off reporter's questions.

O'Neal began the season as the team's starting cornerback, but was eventually replaced after ineffectual play by second year starter Kelly Herndon.

O'Neal's downward spiral continued when he fumbled two punts against Kansas City, one that resulted in a Kansas City touchdown."


Hmmm....

Thanks for posting that clean.

[24champ]

If Deltha was released tomorrow I still wouldn't want him. Same for Griese, Although I would take CP back :)

I would take CP back if he wasnt such a prima donna.

[TheReverend]

If Deltha was released tomorrow I still wouldn't want him. Same for Griese, Although I would take CP back :)

You're right... I mean not over that thunderstorm of coverage that we have in Lenny Walls.

[TheReverend]

Deltha has more interceptions in three games than his last season with Denver. Everyone should remember this game:

"To make matters worse, O'Neal misjudged where the ball was coming down on a punt return on a free kick after Denver got a safety with 2:51 left in the game, and had to rush back to recover it. He landed on the ball at the 15, giving Denver poor field position when the Broncos needed it most trying to run out the clock.

"It's always touch when you get one-on-one coverage and you get beat," Shanahan said. "It is the nature of the position. I was more disappointed when he didn't field that punt. That was 25 or 30 yards of field position."

O'Neal had no comment after the game, blowing off reporter's questions.

O'Neal began the season as the team's starting cornerback, but was eventually replaced after ineffectual play by second year starter Kelly Herndon.

O'Neal's downward spiral continued when he fumbled two punts against Kansas City, one that resulted in a Kansas City touchdown."

http://www.greeleytrib.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031104/SPORTS/111040054/-1/FRONTPAGE


Hmmm....

Do you blame the Cincy game, Oakland game or the KC game on Champ?

[Merlin]

He had 3 off of Daunte Culpepper last week.
That is why it is difficult to determine if he has truly matured. His picks have come from a QB that was having a horrible start this season (i.e. Culpepper with 8 int in 2 games) and a rookie QB that put up 4 int today. These are not particularly good measures of great performance at CB. Time will tell if it was him or the opposition (or a mixture of both).

Merlin

[TheReverend]

That is why it is difficult to determine if he has truly matured. His picks have come from a QB that was having a horrible start this season (i.e. Culpepper with 8 int in 2 games) and a rookie QB that put up 4 int today. These are not particularly good measures of great performance at CB. Time will tell if it was him or the opposition (or a mixture of both).

Merlin

3 of Culpeppers 8 came from O'Neal alone... and not to mention the rest came from Tampa... a GREAT defense.

[Cito Pelon]

I thinkwe realized our secondary problem last season when we removed Gibbs. Champ basically said...this guy doesn't know what he's doing....and I think that tells me what I need to know. Make no mistake...O'Neal had given up here. Obviously we thought he had the talent...we drafted him in the first round. He's finally growing up and learning his craft. Good for him. Wish he would have done it here.

Deltha's father died, and it hit him hard. And then the Broncs cut him loose. That's the way it goes sometimes. The big thing was his father died, he was sleep-walking after that for the rest of the season. And then the Broncs told him F-off, we can trade you. I guess he's come back.

[Merlin]

3 of Culpeppers 8 came from O'Neal alone... and not to mention the rest came from Tampa... a GREAT defense.
Yes, but they were the result of poor play by Culp and not great play by O'Neal and/or Tampa. Time will tell.

Merlin

[Drek]

Marvin Lewis uses his CBs to Deltha's strengths, lets him take risks and try making plays on the ball with a safety over the top to help out a lot, its a good pass coverage scheme.

I said when Deltha was on our roster that WR was the wrong spot to send him to, he needed to be the first project to go to FS, like we now apparently try with all our CB busts. Deltha would have been really good there I think, he could always hit fairly well, was real fast, and could make a play when he was facing the ball, he just couldn't keep track of it and make a play when he needed to keep his back turned to the QB.

As an FS where he could have just showcased his natural athletecism he'd have been a ballhawk.

[clean]

Do you blame the Cincy game, Oakland game or the KC game on Champ?

Champ Bailey comparisons do not contribute to the Deltha O’Neal debate because Champ and Deltha never played for Denver at the same time. Either Deltha was a significant part of Denver’s success or he wasn’t. If you take issue with the article, please send your comments to the following:

Greeley Tribune
Attention: Matt Schuman
P.O. Box 1690
Greeley, CO 80632

Denver Broncos
Attention: Mike Shanahan
13655 Broncos Parkway
Englewood, CO 80112

Let’s discuss Deltha’s play on it’s own merits, or lack there of.

[DBroncos4life]

Just wondering if anyone as ever looked at the lotto numbers the day after and said, damn I almost picked those numbers, because thats pretty much what this thread is doing. Sure lots of things could have played out different but we will never know if they would have played out the same for us. Seems to me that Oneal earned his own way out here not the other way around but thats just how I look at it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Chargers want it bad tonight.

[bengalsown]

Deltha "got it" last year. He had a great year last year.

Let me ask you this. Didn't the Broncos fire their secondary coach a few months ago?

Have you ever thought that coaching WAS the problem with Deltha's struggles, and not so much the player?

[bengalsown]

Its not like we trade Deltha for DJ straight up. It was Deltha AND the 24 pick for the 17th pick. It gets a bit more difficult after that. He is on the cheap as well, I think signing a three year deal with Cincy.

I beleive it was a 6 year contract.

[Cito Pelon]

Just wondering if anyone as ever looked at the lotto numbers the day after and said, damn I almost picked those numbers, because thats pretty much what this thread is doing. Sure lots of things could have played out different but we will never know if they would have played out the same for us. Seems to me that Oneal earned his own way out here not the other way around but thats just how I look at it.

Dude got run out of town on a rail after his dad died. I'm standing up for Deltha because I know the whole story.

[DBroncos4life]

Dude got run out of town on a rail after his dad died. I'm standing up for Deltha because I know the whole story.


I'm sorry his dad died. That really blows, BUT did you watch Farve play the day after his dad died? Something tells me the team gave him all the support he needed but his PLAY(or lack there of) on the field got him ran out. Pretty easy to see that.

[DBroncos4life]

You really shouldn't act like Oneal was the only NFL player ever to go through a rough time like that.

[Bronco9798]

You really shouldn't act like Oneal was the only NFL player ever to go through a rough time like that.


We only hear about players going through tough times nationally if his name is Favre.

[Cito Pelon]

I'm sorry his dad died. That really blows, BUT did you watch Farve play the day after his dad died? Something tells me the team gave him all the support he needed but his PLAY(or lack there of) on the field got him ran out. Pretty easy to see that.

For a guy that makes a lot of excuses for everybody else, that's a pretty hard statement. Some guys take it harder than others. So demote him, let the guy recover. That's what HC'ing is all about. Apparently, Shanny felt he had to have Deltha playing at the same level. Sometimes that how it works out.

I'm not gonna argue with you a lot, this is the NFL after all, I'm just making sure there is two sides to the Deltha story.

[SoCalBronco]

Sometimes guys just need a new environment. No matter what, if Deltha stayed here he would have continued to fail. I dunno, he just wasnt into it here. Its sad that his dad died but he didnt do his job on the field. At the end of the day, he has to still do his job. His play turned from inconsistent to just consistently bad. He always was a good athlete and was the sole playmaker in the secondary but he also made the most mistakes. He just needed a new environment, just as Warren is now thriving in a new environment.

[DBroncos4life]

For a guy that makes a lot of excuses for everybody else, that's a pretty hard statement. Some guys take it harder than others. So demote him, let the guy recover. That's what HC'ing is all about. Apparently, Shanny felt he had to have Deltha playing at the same level. Sometimes that how it works out.

I'm not gonna argue with you a lot, this is the NFL after all, I'm just making sure there is two sides to the Deltha story.



I liked Oneal, I never ever said that I didn't. I thought he should have been moved to FS as well but he didn't give us much to work with on the field. We couldnt' keep sending him out there to cover people, hoping that he found away to work **** out. His play is why he isn't here end of story. If he did his job up to the coaches standards he wouldn't have been moved to WR, then traded away. Pretty cut and dry.

[DBroncos4life]

We only hear about players going through tough times nationally if his name is Favre.



Thats a load of ****. :nono:

[Cito Pelon]

I liked Oneal, I never ever said that I didn't. I thought he should have been moved to FS as well but he didn't give us much to work with on the field. We couldnt' keep sending him out there to cover people, hoping that he found away to work **** out. His play is why he isn't here end of story. If he did his job up to the coaches standards he wouldn't have been moved to WR, then traded away. Pretty cut and dry.

I'm in gameday mode, can't let you have the last word. Nahhh, never mind, you made your own self look like an ass.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm in gameday mode, can't let you have the last word. Nahhh, never mind, you made your own self look like an ass.


How so? ??? I guess you think the team should have done more for Oneal then what we did? Can you tell me everything we did for him? You seem to have the insiders view on it so why don't you tell me what and how it went down. You seem to think that if he stayed here things would have worked itself out, but I think thats BS. He needed to move on and he did.

[TheReverend]

Champ Bailey comparisons do not contribute to the Deltha O’Neal debate because Champ and Deltha never played for Denver at the same time. Either Deltha was a significant part of Denver’s success or he wasn’t. If you take issue with the article, please send your comments to the following:

Greeley Tribune
Attention: Matt Schuman
P.O. Box 1690
Greeley, CO 80632

Denver Broncos
Attention: Mike Shanahan
13655 Broncos Parkway
Englewood, CO 80112

Let’s discuss Deltha’s play on it’s own merits, or lack there of.

My comparison is everyone blaming the NE game soley on Deltha. Everyone makes mistakes otherwise the opposing offense would never score. Everyone makes big mistakes too. Blaming a game on one player in a team sport is idiotic.

[Drek]

How so? ??? I guess you think the team should have done more for Oneal then what we did? Can you tell me everything we did for him? You seem to have the insiders view on it so why don't you tell me what and how it went down. You seem to think that if he stayed here things would have worked itself out, but I think thats BS. He needed to move on and he did. I don't know, trying to move him to WR doesn't seem like doing everything we could. Guys like Brandon, who at the time had done jack for this team, was given a shot at another DB position. Deltha should have been at least offered a move to FS or WR, not just WR or out on your ass. Forcing a guy to change sides of the ball is career suicide by and large in the NFL, why would he want to do that?

Fact of the matter is, Shanahan saw one great year, had high expectations of Deltha, and when he didn't deliver he took all the blame. Never mind the poor DC work or poor DBs coaching, Deltha was flat out given the axe. Not saying O'Neal wasn't to blame, he was culpable as well, but giving someone the ultimatum of changing from defense to offense isn't really giving them a choice at all at the pro level. All I'm saying is I would have liked Deltha given a chance at FS.

And for the record, are we even sure DJ wouldn't have still been there at 24? He was the last of "our" guys, and I don't recall another OLB going until the end of the first/beginning of the second.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't know, trying to move him to WR doesn't seem like doing everything we could. Guys like Brandon, who at the time had done jack for this team, was given a shot at another DB position. Deltha should have been at least offered a move to FS or WR, not just WR or out on your ass. Forcing a guy to change sides of the ball is career suicide by and large in the NFL, why would he want to do that?

Fact of the matter is, Shanahan saw one great year, had high expectations of Deltha, and when he didn't deliver he took all the blame. Never mind the poor DC work or poor DBs coaching, Deltha was flat out given the axe. Not saying O'Neal wasn't to blame, he was culpable as well, but giving someone the ultimatum of changing from defense to offense isn't really giving them a choice at all at the pro level. All I'm saying is I would have liked Deltha given a chance at FS.

And for the record, are we even sure DJ wouldn't have still been there at 24? He was the last of "our" guys, and I don't recall another OLB going until the end of the first/beginning of the second.



Now I agree with alot of this post but to offer a player something seems like the weak thing to do for a coach, would a coach offer a QB playing badly the backup job or would he bench him? I guess Mike thought because Oneal could catch the ball very well and had great speed, moving him to WR instead of WR wouldn't mean the D is a risk for one of his bad days in coverage. While I agree with you 100% FS seemed like the best move for him it didn't happen. The best thing for Oneal at that point in time was either the coaching staff to get canned or for him to get traded for a fresh start. Like I said we could have sit here and say well we could have done this and that but its always easier to do that after the fact. If it was up to me though I would have kept Oneal, tried for DJ and if we didn't get him we could have drafted Will Smith and Demorrio Williams instead.

[Cito Pelon]

How so? ??? I guess you think the team should have done more for Oneal then what we did? Can you tell me everything we did for him? You seem to have the insiders view on it so why don't you tell me what and how it went down. You seem to think that if he stayed here things would have worked itself out, but I think thats BS. He needed to move on and he did.

Best of luck to you.

[DBroncos4life]

Best of luck to you.


you too

[SoCalBronco]

Now I agree with alot of this post but to offer a player something seems like the weak thing to do for a coach, would a coach offer a QB playing badly the backup job or would he bench him? I guess Mike thought because Oneal could catch the ball very well and had great speed, moving him to WR instead of WR wouldn't mean the D is a risk for one of his bad days in coverage. While I agree with you 100% FS seemed like the best move for him it didn't happen. The best thing for Oneal at that point in time was either the coaching staff to get canned or for him to get traded for a fresh start. Like I said we could have sit here and say well we could have done this and that but its always easier to do that after the fact. If it was up to me though I would have kept Oneal, tried for DJ and if we didn't get him we could have drafted Will Smith and Demorrio Williams instead.

Why would we keep O'Neal? He was never going to succeed here. Ever. It got to a point of no return. His techniques totally declined. He would never succeed here. We gave him oppurtunity after oppurtunity. You cant keep going on and on. He had adequate oppurtunity to finally gain consistency. He failed. He cant blame injuries *like Willie. He was an injury free starter for like 3 years. He went from inconsistent to consistently bad. Deltha would not be playing at the level he is if he stayed in Denver. The situation became poisoned for him. He needed a new environment just as Gerard Warren would not be as successful as he is now if he stayed with Cleveland. If we stayed at 24, Smith wouldnt be there, nor would DJ. DJ would have went 18th overall to the Saints, this isnt speculation, its fact according to Jim Haslett himself. Who would you pick at 24? I know you like Demorrio Williams, but even you wouldnt suggest we spend the 24th pick on him, looking at it from that time not now. No one rated him as a first round pick. Many people rated him somewhere in the 2nd round. But its clear at 24, thats too high. So what would we do at 24? Was Steven Jackson still there at 24? I think he may have been. Kevin Jones was there, that would have been an option.

[Kaylore]

I'm convinced that letting Deltha go was in the best interests of both him and the Broncos. Had we kept him , I don't feel he would have performed like we wanted and I bet we might not have taken D-Wil. Anyway, I'm glad that he's finding success and hope he continues to do well unless he plays against us in which case I hope he gets burned for two TD's and 235 yards.

[DBroncos4life]

Why would we keep O'Neal? He was never going to succeed here. Ever. It got to a point of no return. His techniques totally declined. He would never succeed here. We gave him oppurtunity after oppurtunity. You cant keep going on and on. He had adequate oppurtunity to finally gain consistency. He failed. He cant blame injuries *like Willie. He was an injury free starter for like 3 years. He went from inconsistent to consistently bad. Deltha would not be playing at the level he is if he stayed in Denver. The situation became poisoned for him. He needed a new environment just as Gerard Warren would not be as successful as he is now if he stayed with Cleveland. If we stayed at 24, Smith wouldnt be there, nor would DJ. DJ would have went 18th overall to the Saints, this isnt speculation, its fact according to Jim Haslett himself. Who would you pick at 24? I know you like Demorrio Williams, but even you wouldnt suggest we spend the 24th pick on him, looking at it from that time not now. No one rated him as a first round pick. Many people rated him somewhere in the 2nd round. But its clear at 24, thats too high. So what would we do at 24? Was Steven Jackson still there at 24? I think he may have been. Kevin Jones was there, that would have been an option.



I would have taken Will Smith SoCal then use that wasted pick in the third for D. Williams. I know DJ would have been gone as well. The only reason I think I would have kept Oneal is because he does have talent. I would rather have him playing FS for us then Lynch right now, and Lynch could be playing SS. I do agree that Oneal needed to be traded though. I just always liked him even though he messed up alot.

[Breck Bronc]

My comparison is everyone blaming the NE game soley on Deltha. Everyone makes mistakes otherwise the opposing offense would never score. Everyone makes big mistakes too. Blaming a game on one player in a team sport is idiotic.If any one player could be blamed for a loss it was O'neal vs. the Pats in 2003. Even so, Mike Anderson should share the blame with Deltha for screwing up the New England free kick after Belichick's intentional safety.

[SoCalBronco]

I would have taken Will Smith SoCal then use that wasted pick in the third for D. Williams. I know DJ would have been gone as well. The only reason I think I would have kept Oneal is because he does have talent. I would rather have him playing FS for us then Lynch right now, and Lynch could be playing SS. I do agree that Oneal needed to be traded though. I just always liked him even though he messed up alot.

I dont think Will Smith was there at 24, assuming we kept O'Neal like you said. Smith went at 18 to the Saints. So he was gone.

[DBroncos4life]

Jackson went 24 and Smith went 18, but the saints would have passed on Smith and taken DJ instead.

[DBroncos4life]

I dont think Will Smith was there at 24, assuming we kept O'Neal like you said. Smith went at 18 to the Saints. So he was gone.


yeah but remember the Saints would have went with DJ instead.

[SoCalBronco]

yeah but remember the Saints would have went with DJ instead.

How do we know that Will Smith would have been there at 24 though even if the Saints didnt take him? There are six teams in front of us. I doubt he would have slid that far.

[DBroncos4life]

I think the Vikings may have gone with Smith over Udeze though, and I would have been happy with him as well, not that I hate how it turned out or anything ;D

[RhymesayersDU]

Just because a guy moves on and does well, that doesn't mean if he would of stayed with the team he left he would of done the same thing as the team he went to.

Did that make sense? I'm not sure.

We could list names all day. It's stupid when someone leaves and they do better somewhere else to say, "We shouldn't of got rid of them".

I think this is a great point. A lot of people don't buy it, and that's fair enough, but IMO the whole "change of scenery" issue is a big one to me. Sometimes, you get into a new situation, and it gives you a chance to shine. We may see that with the Browns, who knows.

[DBroncos4life]

So would you have taken Jackson or Jones if we didn't trade Oneal SoCal? Either one would have been a good pick for us. I love having DJ as well, really I'm torn because I wonder if we could have landed Smith or Udeze, kept Oneal (improvement over Walls) to go with Bailey and still end up with a ok LB in my Williams.

[BroncoInferno]

So would you have taken Jackson or Jones if we didn't trade Oneal SoCal? Either one would have been a good pick for us. I love having DJ as well, really I'm torn because I wonder if we could have landed Smith or Udeze, kept Oneal (improvement over Walls) to go with Bailey and still end up with a ok LB in my Williams.

Wasn't it intimated after the draft that Chris Perry was the highest rated RB on our board, followed by Bell? So, we probably wouldn't have gone for Jones or Jackson anyway. Jones, in particular, is not a one cut runner, so I doubt he was high on our list.

I agree with SoCal in that O'Neal was just not going to be successful here, and sometimes a player needs a fresh start to revitalize their career.

[fontaine]

I think a far better question is why would anyone create a useless thread on the mane whenever some ex-Bronco has one great game out of many other stinkers?

[bendog]

yeah, the thought of Delta at SS makes me a little ill.

[meangene]

He might be playing better but he'll never "get it". He is a selfish, me-first player and we are better off without him.

[DarkHorse30]

Deltha didn't progress fast enough for Shanahan....unfortunately neither did Tory James. I would bet that both of these guys take some satisfaction in being in a producing defense, and both being on the outs with Shanahan. Let's admit that Shanahan makes some mistakes at times with players, but O'neal could have kept his job in Denver if he had been a better player....more consistantly.

I like what I see in Cincy....Marvin Lewis has built a good team with a good defense and fantastic players on offense like Chad Johnson. Let's wait a year or so and see if they can enter Indy's and NE's stature as a heavy-hitter in the AFC. My guess is that they will.

[Wes Mantooth]

Nope. He will still be the same guy he always was. Same guy that blew the Patriot Monday Nighter the 1st year they won the Superbowl, same guy that high stepped at Seattle when we got our butts kicked.

He had another INT this game, giving him four for the season.

I can't believe we moved this guy to wide receiver. Think about it, for a professional player to switch from defense to offense, you have to be as inept of a defensive player as there is in the league.

We really wiffed on that move.