Marty didn't see much of a difference in Denver's ‘D' between the halves.

[Taco John]

Denver's defense kicked in during the second half, allowing the Chargers 163 yards. While the Broncos gave up just 50 yards in the first half, Schottenheimer didn't see much of a difference in Denver's ‘D' between the halves.

"I thought they were pretty aggressive in the first half," Schottenheimer said. "We were just making plays. I don't think they changed their scheme at all in the second half."

But Tomlinson, who was only allowed 52 yards on 19 carries, saw differently.

"I think it's fair to say they got to us a little bit more (in the second half)," Tomlinson said. "We expected that. We expected them to bring pressure and they made the plays and we didn't. They did a great job of shutting down our running game."

"They guessed right sometimes and we put ourselves in bad situations with second-and-long and third-and-long," Brees said. "You're in a no-win situation when you get in those situations. We had guys coming through the line and times and LT getting hit in the backfield quite a bit. We did so well in the first half and then to come out in the second half and play like that offensively, I think it's on all of us."


The full article with awesome video with Bailey:
http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_262104615.html

[Taco John]

Personally, I saw it the way Marty saw it. I thought we were getting pretty good pressure in the first half, but Drew was getting the ball out pretty quick.

[Clockwork Orange]

Personally, I saw it the way Marty saw it. I thought we were getting pretty good pressure in the first half, but Drew was getting the ball out pretty quick.

Then the coverage must have been much better in the 2nd half because Brees was running for his life for most of it.

[ludo21]

Cool Vid with bailey... rep

[Kaylore]

Personally, I saw it the way Marty saw it. I thought we were getting pretty good pressure in the first half, but Drew was getting the ball out pretty quick.
Yes and no. There were some plays we had covered perfectly but Drew just made plays. I think that momentum and play calling improved quite a bit in the second half.

[Ratboy]

Man, Gotta love Champ's enthusiasm!

[Atlas]

Personally, I saw it the way Marty saw it. I thought we were getting pretty good pressure in the first half, but Drew was getting the ball out pretty quick.

Bronco players said that they didn't do anything different. Coyer gave a great speech and they came out and kicked ass.

[Atlas]

Yes and no. There were some plays we had covered perfectly but Drew just made plays. I think that momentum and play calling improved quite a bit in the second half.

The play calling didn't change Denver has a gameplan and that is pretty much what they go with. they make adjustments but the play calling is the same. I think the big difference is that Denver totally shut down LT. He averaged 1 yard per carry in the second half and for some reason the Chuggers didn't want to throw him the ball. You take him out of the game and they are in trouble.

[crazyhorse]

I thought there was much better penetration by the D line in the second half.

There is no doubt that Bailey sparked it all. But the pressure was not there in the 1st half. Bailey made one play, the d line made the rest. As much as I hate to admit it.

IMO

[OrangeShadow]

i couldnt watch so i really dont know the difference besides the results.

[watermock]

Tomlinson has a point, but one thing you have to understand is two things.

First, players are looking at their own reads and reactions. Even with game tape, they are kinda looking at their own responsibilities. That's what cracked me up about the RMN guy saying "coaches don't break down tape". Umm...OK.

Second, it's hard to get a full picture of everything from any angle except the coaches actually. The sideline view is the worst by far. I hope people realize that TV cameras have the best seat in the house and zoom vision. I don't have zoom vision. Do you? But to accomidate the Coors Bullet Train Bimbo crowd, the camera will consistently follow the ball just like a hockey puck, which is even worse, which is why hockey translates so poorly onto TV.

They probably don't have the time to use digital video cameras and time to edit it by the half, but I know that would rock for the coaches. You get the birds eye view of all the players IN MOTION. And use semi fast forward, but in game time, it's impossible. The last thing we need is Shanahan and Kubiak studying tape during the game.

[NYBroncoManiac]

I thought there was much better penetration by the D line in the second half.

There is no doubt that Bailey sparked it all. But the pressure was not there in the 1st half. Bailey made one play, the d line made the rest. As much as I hate to admit it.

IMO


http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/image/images/small-bnb.gif
"Heh, heh... heh heh heh... He said PENETRATION, heh heh..."



Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

[jspchief]

How much of Denver's great second half play had to do with Martyball? The play calling was ridiculously conservative, until Denver took the lead. Then all of a sudden SD moves the ball at will and goes down and ties it up.

Denver's D-line was getting more penetration though.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Champ is the man. You can see that these guys want to win and there is some good character in that locker room. We'll see if they can keep up that momentum on Monday night.

[2KBack]

How much of Denver's great second half play had to do with Martyball? The play calling was ridiculously conservative, until Denver took the lead. Then all of a sudden SD moves the ball at will and goes down and ties it up.

Denver's D-line was getting more penetration though.

I thought about this possibility, cuz Marty tends to sit on a good lead, but after the first snap of the second half the score was 14-10. Not even Marty is dumb enough to sit on a 4 point lead, and Denvers defense still dominated from that point on.

[i4jelway7]

the difference in the first half and the second half was the pressure that C. Brown got, if you notice in the first half when Ekuban was in the game he wasn't getting any pressure at all... he was a liability (had a penalty) and when they finally realized Ekuban wasn't getting it done, in comes Brown (why wasn't he in the game to begin with???) and he stepped it up and performed as well as the whole D

and the Bolts play calling in the second half was conservative...

[Broncoman13]

Yes and no. There were some plays we had covered perfectly but Drew just made plays. I think that momentum and play calling improved quite a bit in the second half.


Yeah, especially that play to Gates over the middle. That was just a great play. I'm not sure we could have defensed it any better and Gates just made a very good catch.

I think our defense did well in the first half. For whatever reason, the past couple years they've always take a little while to get going. Usually after the first quarter they play a lot better football.

[rbackfactory80]

How much of Denver's great second half play had to do with Martyball? The play calling was ridiculously conservative, until Denver took the lead. Then all of a sudden SD moves the ball at will and goes down and ties it up.

Denver's D-line was getting more penetration though.


How many times did you see Dree Brees running away from pressure?

[Popps]

Our defense was awful in the first half. Very little pressure and we couldn't stop them on third down.

In the second.... Brees could hardly finish taking the snap without one of our front seven kicking his @$$.

If Marty didn't see much difference in the defense between those two halves, he'd better get his vision checked. It's as obvious of an improvement between halves as you'll ever see from a unit.

[westcliffe]

Originally posted by jspchief
Denver's D-line was getting more penetration though.


Good penetration is hard to find and always appreciated.

[jspchief]

How many times did you see Dree Brees running away from pressure?
In the second half? Not as much as you might think.

In the second half, while San Diego held the lead, they ran 12 running plays to 6 passing plays. A run/pass ratio of 2:1.

Once Denver took the lead, San Diego ran 6 passing plays and 1 running play. A run/pass ratio of 1:6. And they moved the ball right down the field and scored.

Denver's D definately got more pressure in the second half, but overall I think Marty's play-calling had a lot to do with why your D looked so good. He was content burning clock and not taking any risks.

[epicSocialism4tw]

In the second half? Not as much as you might think.

In the second half, while San Diego held the lead, they ran 12 running plays to 6 passing plays. A run/pass ratio of 2:1.

Once Denver took the lead, San Diego ran 6 passing plays and 1 running play. A run/pass ratio of 1:6. And they moved the ball right down the field and scored.

Denver's D definately got more pressure in the second half, but overall I think Marty's play-calling had a lot to do with why your D looked so good. He was content burning clock and not taking any risks.

Burning clock while up only 4 points? When Bailey returned that pick, there was 14:49 left in the 3rd quarter.

[Atlas]

Our defense was awful in the first half. Very little pressure and we couldn't stop them on third down.

In the second.... Brees could hardly finish taking the snap without one of our front seven kicking his @$$.

If Marty didn't see much difference in the defense between those two halves, he'd better get his vision checked. It's as obvious of an improvement between halves as you'll ever see from a unit.

The offense didn't do anything the first half and the defense only gave up 14 points and you call them HORRIBLE? They didn't dominate but they did keep Denver in the game. I wouldn't call the D horrible.

[Mediator12]

In the second half? Not as much as you might think.

In the second half, while San Diego held the lead, they ran 12 running plays to 6 passing plays. A run/pass ratio of 2:1.

Once Denver took the lead, San Diego ran 6 passing plays and 1 running play. A run/pass ratio of 1:6. And they moved the ball right down the field and scored.

Denver's D definately got more pressure in the second half, but overall I think Marty's play-calling had a lot to do with why your D looked so good. He was content burning clock and not taking any risks.

Or do you think the four sacks and 1 INT for a TD in 6 passing plays had them trying to run the ball? You think they were trying to protect Brees who had two TO's while trying to pass on 6 plays just maybe. He completed one pass in 6 and had four sacks and a Fumble. Never mind to actually look at what you posted.

[Kaylore]

Burning clock while up only 4 points? When Bailey returned that pick, there was 14:49 left in the 3rd quarter.
He's just scared.

[elsid13]

Articles like this prove something that I klnow since the 80s, that Marty really doesn't know what going on the field. I still surprise that he actually get into the playoffs once and awhile.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He's just scared.

He should be. :)

[TerrElway]

The offense didn't do anything the first half and the defense only gave up 14 points and you call them HORRIBLE? They didn't dominate but they did keep Denver in the game. I wouldn't call the D horrible.

The defense gave up 17 points to one of the most prolific offenses in the league. If the Denver D gives up 14-17 points on a weekly basis in the NFL, this team has a chance to win a lot of games.

The two TD drives by SD were well executed and the Dolts MADE PLAYS. After that, it was the Denver D who made plays the majority of the time. It's all about who is going to make plays in this league.

[jspchief]

Burning clock while up only 4 points? When Bailey returned that pick, there was 14:49 left in the 3rd quarter.
Only up by 4, but the SD defense had held Denver down pretty well. They had only allowed 3 points by halftime.

And if they were running to protect Brees, as Mediator suggested, how do you explain them passing six out of the next seven plays after Denver took the lead? If you guys were manhandling Brees as much as suggested, why was he able to march the ball down the field completing 4 straight passes with out mixing a run in?

SD's defense was shutting you guys down, and in typical Marty fashion, he started playing to not lose the game. Your defense was definately playing better, but SD had clearly gone uber-conservative too.

I'm just saying, while your D may have come out playing better, Marty's play calling made it look better than probably was.

[DB-Freak]

Only up by 4, but the SD defense had held Denver down pretty well. They had only allowed 3 points by halftime.

And if they were running to protect Brees, as Mediator suggested, how do you explain them passing six out of the next seven plays after Denver took the lead? If you guys were manhandling Brees as much as suggested, why was he able to march the ball down the field completing 4 straight passes with out mixing a run in?

SD's defense was shutting you guys down, and in typical Marty fashion, he started playing to not lose the game. Your defense was definately playing better, but SD had clearly gone uber-conservative too.

I'm just saying, while your D may have come out playing better, Marty's play calling made it look better than probably was.

To be fair, we too started playing prevent D that drive and Gates just tore through that so we had to tighten up the defense again.

[broncosteven]

The offense didn't do anything the first half and the defense only gave up 14 points and you call them HORRIBLE? They didn't dominate but they did keep Denver in the game. I wouldn't call the D horrible.


Offense had 2 good drives to start the game if not for the MA fumble it would have been 10-14 going into 1/2.

Defense did get better Penetration in 2nd 1/2. Plus the DB's tightened up the coverages in 2nd quarter they were playing an extra 2-4 yds off the receivers & tried to break on the ball. Coyer seems to want the INT's, me I just want 3 & Outs!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Only up by 4, but the SD defense had held Denver down pretty well. They had only allowed 3 points by halftime.

And if they were running to protect Brees, as Mediator suggested, how do you explain them passing six out of the next seven plays after Denver took the lead? If you guys were manhandling Brees as much as suggested, why was he able to march the ball down the field completing 4 straight passes with out mixing a run in?

SD's defense was shutting you guys down, and in typical Marty fashion, he started playing to not lose the game. Your defense was definately playing better, but SD had clearly gone uber-conservative too.

I'm just saying, while your D may have come out playing better, Marty's play calling made it look better than probably was.


The Broncos legit defense made it look as good as it was.

[jspchief]

Offense had 2 good drives to start the game if not for the MA fumble it would have been 10-14 going into 1/2.

Defense did get better Penetration in 2nd 1/2. Plus the DB's tightened up the coverages in 2nd quarter they were playing an extra 2-4 yds off the receivers & tried to break on the ball. Coyer seems to want the INT's, me I just want 3 & Outs!
Two good drives? Hardly. The first drive of the game was solid from you guys. Walked it right down the field. After that, your O didn't do sh*t. The second drive was 28 yards. The remaining 3 drives in that first half totaled 38 yards. In the second and third qtr, you had a total of 89 yards.

SD was definately keeping your offense down. Probably enough to convince Marty that he should go Marty and give away the game.

[Kaylore]

Only up by 4, but the SD defense had held Denver down pretty well. They had only allowed 3 points by halftime.

And if they were running to protect Brees, as Mediator suggested, how do you explain them passing six out of the next seven plays after Denver took the lead? If you guys were manhandling Brees as much as suggested, why was he able to march the ball down the field completing 4 straight passes with out mixing a run in?

SD's defense was shutting you guys down, and in typical Marty fashion, he started playing to not lose the game. Your defense was definately playing better, but SD had clearly gone uber-conservative too.

I'm just saying, while your D may have come out playing better, Marty's play calling made it look better than probably was.

Hilarious! Wow. You are really reaching here. Its as if you are trying to pretend that it was fluke and understandably so. The Boltz ran a number of plays that went for "the kill". For example a rollout on that third down pass that Darrent Williams picked off was aimed for the endzone - obviously way more than what was needed to get the first. The Broncos stacked the line and Brees tries a go for the endzone. That's a pretty balsy call. There were many other plays where the Chargers tried to "win the game" too.

It's ok if you think it was all Marty-ball though. They switched the line at the half with Marty clones. Also that guy that looked like LT who getting tackled for consecutive loses was Marty as well. :D

[jspchief]

Hilarious! Wow. You are really reaching here. Its as if you are trying to pretend that it was fluke and understandably so. The Boltz ran a number of plays that went for "the kill". For example a rollout on that third down pass that Darrent Williams picked off was aimed for the endzone - obviously way more than what was needed to get the first. The Broncos stacked the line and Brees tries a go for the endzone. That's a pretty balsy call. There were many other plays where the Chargers tried to "win the game" too.

It's ok if you think it was all Marty-ball though. They switched the line at the half with Marty clones. Also that guy that looked like LT who getting tackled for consecutive loses was Marty as well. :D


Your post only supports my point. That "go for the kill" play didn't come until after Denver took the lead. It was on the same drive where SD completed 4 straight passes and covered 50 yards on 5 plays, and scored a tying FG.

As soon as the Chargers needed another score, they went down and got one.

I'll give your defense credit for playing better in the second half, but I also recognize that SD's play-calling made it look better too. Marty was going run heavy, with a lot of runs in the middle and FB runs. It's evident that he was in his typical Martyball mode.

[Mediator12]

Your post only supports my point. That "go for the kill" play didn't come until after Denver took the lead. It was on the same drive where SD completed 4 straight passes and covered 50 yards on 5 plays, and scored a tying FG.

As soon as the Chargers needed another score, they went down and got one.

I'll give your defense credit for playing better in the second half, but I also recognize that SD's play-calling made it look better too. Marty was going run heavy, with a lot of runs in the middle and FB runs. It's evident that he was in his typical Martyball mode.

Actually, they had tried to "go for the Kill" and got killed themselves. Several of their pass plays had deep patterns that got Brees sacked. When they Covered Gates down the Middle SD had NO passing Offense. Look at their WR production:

McCardell had 4 for 54 yards and 0 TD's
Parker had 3 for 30 and 0 TD's

It's not like SD's Passing game was getting anywhere except with Gates. Once Gates was neutralized, they were worse than ineffective. They were owned!

[sirhcyennek81]

dont argue with Chief fans...just pat them on the head and kick them in the ass.

[Kaylore]

Your post only supports my point. That "go for the kill" play didn't come until after Denver took the lead. It was on the same drive where SD completed 4 straight passes and covered 50 yards on 5 plays, and scored a tying FG.

As soon as the Chargers needed another score, they went down and got one.

I'll give your defense credit for playing better in the second half, but I also recognize that SD's play-calling made it look better too. Marty was going run heavy, with a lot of runs in the middle and FB runs. It's evident that he was in his typical Martyball mode.
Yeah. You're right. It was all the coaching. I saw Marty tell Brees to try and ram his neck into Ian Gold's elbow.

[Bronx33]

Your post only supports my point. That "go for the kill" play didn't come until after Denver took the lead. It was on the same drive where SD completed 4 straight passes and covered 50 yards on 5 plays, and scored a tying FG.

As soon as the Chargers needed another score, they went down and got one.

I'll give your defense credit for playing better in the second half, but I also recognize that SD's play-calling made it look better too. Marty was going run heavy, with a lot of runs in the middle and FB runs. It's evident that he was in his typical Martyball mode.


Can we not do anything right? (you won BUT?) (i give your D credit BUT)

[jspchief]

Can we not do anything right? (you won BUT?) (i give your D credit BUT)The Chiefs beat the Raiders, BUT...

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to discredit the Broncos because of my Chiefs allegiance. I went back and watched the game a second time after reading all the posts here about you're improved D in the second half. A number of things stood out, including improved push by your d-line, more LBs blitzing, conservative play-calling by SD, and the Chargers moving the ball better when they had to. Specifically, your secondary wasn't that impressive, with Brees completing 65% of his passes.

[Mediator12]

The Chiefs beat the Raiders, BUT...

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to discredit the Broncos because of my Chiefs allegiance. I went back and watched the game a second time after reading all the posts here about you're improved D in the second half. A number of things stood out, including improved push by your d-line, more LBs blitzing, conservative play-calling by SD, and the Chargers moving the ball better when they had to. Specifically, your secondary wasn't that impressive, with Brees completing 65% of his passes.

And again, you missed the most important points. The chargers were 6 for 11 in the second half, hardly 65%. They had 43 total yards of offense in two Q's. They gave up a gimme TD to Bailey. They surrendered four sacks and a Fumble. They moved the Ball 45 yards on one drive and Almost had another INT if not for a replay overturn.

If you would like to criticize the offense for not putting up 28 points in the second half with the field position and ST's plays they had handed to them, then go ahead. If you are questioning the lowest yardage output of any NFL defense surrendered in 2 Q's this year still, then shut up since you are obviously delusional and overly biased.

[Ballhawk]

Just to put a little more emphsis on how well the D played in the 2nd half, twice after Elam missed 53 yarders, SD started out at their 43 yard line and walked away with 0 points.

[Rausch]

The defense gave up 17 points to one of the most prolific offenses in the league. If the Denver D gives up 14-17 points on a weekly basis in the NFL, this team has a chance to win a lot of games.


Bottom line, end of story. When you have to make a stop a good defense stiffens up and gives you one.