Q Re-signed

[NaptownChief]

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl


Broncos | Griffin Re-signed
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:39:34 -0700

The Denver Broncos have re-signed free agent RB Quentin Griffin. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

[elsid13]

Broncos | Ernster Waived
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:48 -0700

The Denver Broncos have waived PK/P Paul Ernster.

Roster spot...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Broncos | Griffin Re-signed
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:39:34 -0700

The Denver Broncos have re-signed free agent RB Quentin Griffin. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.


Broncos | Ernster Waived
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:48 -0700

The Denver Broncos have waived PK/P Paul Ernster.


Broncos | Kingsbury Released from Practice Squad
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:14 -0700

The Denver Broncos have released QB Kliff Kingsbury from their practice squad.

[Sassy]

Interesting...

[FADERPROOF]

Maybe Q can average better than 3.2 yards a carry.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Very interesting.

Just in time to run back into Bob's nightmares! <sinister, evil laugh> Ha!

[Bronx33]

Broncos | Griffin Re-signed
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:39:34 -0700

The Denver Broncos have re-signed free agent RB Quentin Griffin. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.


Broncos | Ernster Waived
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:48 -0700

The Denver Broncos have waived PK/P Paul Ernster.


Broncos | Kingsbury Released from Practice Squad
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:14 -0700

The Denver Broncos have released QB Kliff Kingsbury from their practice squad.



Insert ominous music....

[scorpio]

Broncos | Ernster Waived
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:48 -0700

The Denver Broncos have waived PK/P Paul Ernster.

Roster spot...

So does that mean they're making Todd kickoff now? That's going to give him a totally bad case of roid rage, dude.

[rbackfactory80]

looks like they brought him in for one reason. Beatdown on monday night. I am glad to have him back it almost did not feel right with him gone. I know he is no impact player but I dont want the little guy wondering the streets alone at night.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

My nemesis has returned.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/griffin_mug.jpg

[OrangeShadow]

just in time to make kc look like a bunch of high schoolers yet again\

wait why do we need q to do that? dayne can handle it

[Hulamau]

They may have him ready for Monday night. He hung 155 on them last year. At least as a change of pace guy while Taters ankle gets better I'm fine with that. At least he is on the squad and no doubt he's stayed in shape the past two weeks, so I expect he'll be fully ready to go Monday.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I hope they get Q the ball. I want to see Derrick Johnson knock his ass into the stone age.

[Sodak]

Cool. Just in time to play the Choads...

[TheReverend]

I thought the title of this thread meant he retired from football...

[OrangeShadow]

LOL ^

[TheReverend]

I hope they get Q the ball. I want to see Derrick Johnson knock his ass into the stone age.

...and then you wake up.

[scorpio]

I thought the title of this thread meant he retired from football...

I had the same thought

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Pfft. The Chiefs will have no trouble stopping Quentin Griffin.

[Hulamau]

They are obviously hoping Ernster clears waivers tommororw and resign him on the PS in place of Kingsbury. I guess BVP gets to play the opposing QB's during the week.

[scorpio]

They are obviously hoping Ernster clears waivers tommororw and resign him on the PS in place of Kingsbury. I guess BVP gets to play the opposing QB's during the week.

Can't hurt, I guess.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I guess it's Sauerbrun vs Dante Hall then....assuming Todd will be kicking off.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So signing the munchkin means what as far as Bell is concerned I wonder.

[Broncoman13]

I hope they get Q the ball. I want to see Derrick Johnson knock his ass into the stone age.

Yeah, just like he did at when he was with the Sooners huh!

[NaptownChief]

I thought the title of this thread meant he retired from football...



fixed. ;D

[TheReverend]

Pfft. The Chiefs will have no trouble stopping Quentin Griffin.

Im sure you said the same last year, only this time I agree with you. The bench will already have stopped him.

[ludo21]

I guess it's Sauerbrun vs Dante Hall then....assuming Todd will be kicking off.


its more like the Denver ST against Dante, if it was Dante v. Todd, Dante would win easy. :stupid:

[BigPlayShay]

Ernster most likely takes Kingsbury's spot on the PS. Q was most likely brought back not only because of Bell and MA hurting, but he knows the system, and that he had drawn interest from KC and Indy. I am certain Shanny did not want him to sign with either of those teams.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

its more like the Denver ST against Dante, if it was Dante v. Todd, Dante would win easy. :stupid:

You know what I mean. The last couple years you had horrible kickers and Dante killed you for it.

[Bronco9798]

This is strange. I don't get it.

[ludo21]

Ernster most likely takes Kingsbury's spot on the PS. Q was most likely brought back not only because of Bell and MA hurting, but he knows the system, and that he had drawn interest from KC and Indy. I am certain Shanny did not want him to sign with either of those teams.


Im hoping Ernster makes the PS, if so that would be a dream come true to have him off the roster and have that oter spot left for a guy ho brings more to the game.


I hope Q makes an appearance Monday tho, itd me nice to see him tear it up again. :homer: :militia:

[BroncosMT]

Aren't we setting ourselves up with only 2 QB's??? I don't know...just doesn't seem right.

[Bronx33]

Pfft. The Chiefs will have no trouble stopping Quentin Griffin.

Pssttt......155

[Bronco9798]

My nemesis has returned.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/griffin_mug.jpg


The Hobbit returns

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Khouck001/q_hobbit.jpg

[ludo21]

Aren't we setting ourselves up with only 2 QB's??? I don't know...just doesn't seem right.


we always have 2, doesnt bug me a bit. Who would be our 3rd anyway, Mauck? Kannell? Ill take Rod as an emergency 3 anyday! :loopy:

[BigPlayShay]

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=4696

By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Quentin Griffin is once again a Denver Bronco, while punter/kickoff specialist Paul Ernster is no longer on the roster.

Denver brought back the 5-foot-7 running back on Tuesday evening, signing the third-year veteran while waiving Ernster, who was the Broncos' seventh-round selection in the April draft.

In returning, Griffin has a second chance to make an impression with the Broncos 11 months after tearing an anterior cruciate ligament and meniscus in his knee. He incurred the injury last year against the Cincinnati Bengals and spent the months that followed rehabilitating. He did not return to the practice field until the team's mini-camp in early July,

"It was a roller-coaster ride for me mentally," Griffin said in July. "But I think things happen and you’re going to get up or you’re going to stay down, it depends what type of person you are.

Griffin missed the first two preseason games before playing in the last two. He then gained 89 yards on 24 carries in those final two preseason games, but less than 24 hours after the Broncos closed their warmup slate at Arizona, he was released as the Broncos trimmed their roster to 53.

Ernster, on the other hand, survived the final cutdown but was inactive for Sunday's game against the San Diego Chargers after he "tweaked his knee a little bit" during pregame warmups. Punter Todd Sauerbrun filled in on kickoff duty and hit three of his five kickoffs to the end zone with two touchbacks.

"Before this game, we had Paul out there kicking off, and he kicked four in one direction and four in the other direction," Head Coach Mike Shanahan said Monday. " He was kicking off pretty good.

"Then we had him go out there after he tweaked his knee and came down the wrong way ... After he kicked and tweaked it a little bit he came back and had four kickoffs and three good ones and one bad ones."

Ernster, a rookie from Northern Arizona University, kicked off during the season opener at Miami, but failed to get any of his kicks to the end zone, and hooked one kick out of bounds well short of the goal line.

Denver also released quarterback Kliff Kingsbury from the team's practice squad. The Broncos had signed the former New England Patriots quarterback days after NFL rosters were trimmed to 53 players; he had been released by the New Orleans Saints during the preseason. Kingsbury's departure leaves the Broncos with only two quarterbacks in their midst -- Jake Plummer and Bradlee Van Pelt -- and means the Broncos are without a practice-squad quarterback for the first time since the developmental roster was increased from five players to eight in time for the 2004 season.

[Kaylore]

I suppose we're hoping we can keep Ernster on the PS. With Tatum showing more injury and Mike hurting, bringing Q back seems logical. What won't seem logical is when we run him up the middle fifty times...though it is the Chiefs. :devil:

[DBroncos4life]

You know what I mean. The last couple years you had horrible kickers and Dante killed you for it.



Ha the refs killed us. Its odd though pretty much everyother return now I see a yellow flag.

[Bronco9798]

I can't see him playing much, if any, Monday night.

[meangene]

With Anderson and Bell both hurt this makes sense for Monday night. Obviously one or both is more injured than what we've been told. At least Q gives us two healthy backs. I wonder who is going to be inactive? Maybe Q is just insurance if MA or Bell can't go.

[elsid13]

Or anderson and bell are hurt more then we think.

[listopencil]

Sounded like Shany wanted to keep him originally but they just ran out of roster space for a specialist. Now the Three Kicker Experiment is over and there is room for him again.

[Hogan11]

He's insurance if Dayne goes down.

[DBroncos4life]

I kind of want Cobbs to come up. Speed and power work well in RZ.

[Play2win]

I fully expect to see alot of screens monday night. As a matter of fact, bootleg rollouts to an opposite field backdoor screen. Could be extremely effective, especially against the Qweefs. ;D

[ozomulsion]

I kind of want Cobbs to come up. Speed and power work well in RZ.

He's probably injured. He spends 95% of the time injured.

[Sodak]

I kind of want Cobbs to come up. Speed and power work well in RZ.

Who's Cobbs? and also, where did Veal come from?

[Florida_Bronco]

I told you when they first released him that he'd be back :D

Oh yeah Boob, Knorr got special teams player of the week for basically not giving Dante a kick to return...did you forget that?

[ozomulsion]

Who's Cobbs? and also, where did Veal come from?

Cedric Cobbs: University of Arkansas. Very good back. Injured all the time. Has been known to partake in the gonja.

[Drek]

I kind of want Cobbs to come up. Speed and power work well in RZ.
Yeah, but we've had Cobbs for all of two weeks or so, I doubt he's got a clue how to run behind zone blocking.

I'm fine with Q back, doubt he'll see much time, but I like the little fella all the same. Got to make ol' Goonther wonder though. Gameplan for a bruiser like Dayne or a speedy guy like Q? At least it gives us the option after we see what the chefettes are bringing to the table.

[-Slap-]

Q Re-signed

!Booya!

[Hogan11]

They should just start Dayne and be done with all this wankowrama about the starting RB........at this point, nobody else measures up in regular season play...no one.

Give him the start and if he falters..........then send in MA.

[Sodak]

Cedric Cobbs: University of Arkansas. Very good back. Injured all the time. Has been known to partake in the gonja.

Thanks ozo. I missed the Cobbs thing entirely, and don't watch much college ball unless it's CSU or CU. There wasn't much to do about his signing. He must have snuck in under the RADAR? at least my RADAR.

Now, where did Veal come from. He made a couple nice plays on Sat.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Or anderson and bell are hurt more then we think.
That's what I'm thinking. I wonder if Bell will play?

[dlow187]

I suppose we're hoping we can keep Ernster on the PS. With Tatum showing more injury and Mike hurting, bringing Q back seems logical. What won't seem logical is when we run him up the middle fifty times...though it is the Chiefs. :devil:


why would we want to keep ernster when we have little depth at so many of our roster spots?????

[ozomulsion]

Now, where did Veal come from. He made a couple nice plays on Sat.

Veal came from Tennessee. I don't know much else.

[Florida_Bronco]

Veal came from Tennessee. I don't know much else.

Yep, and I know he spent time with the Falcons. I think he was a 7th round pick of their's

[Hogan11]

Give Dayne the start.......give him the chance.

[RhymesayersDU]

Q's back? Now I really want Shanny gone. That little squirt is the bane of my existence.

[SoCalBronco]

So Bob, he's going to get what, 150 on you guys?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yea you know the little guy is only brought back to irritate Boob.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So Bob, he's going to get what, 150 on you guys?

150 inches, maybe.

[-Slap-]

150 inches, maybe.
That was the combined length of tube steak Knob consumed at his last man orgy.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That was the combined length of tube steak Knob consumed at his last man orgy.

Yup. I love huge penises. High five, anyone?

[Florida_Bronco]

150 inches, maybe.

You just never learn do you?

I'll tell ya though Bob, I admire your resilience on here. I am willing to bet that if the Chiefs would have gone 0-16 you would still be here hyping them as a Super Bowl Contender.

[elsid13]

that posting will haunt Boob the rest of his days on the mane...... The response that we now have anytime that he post something stupid is unbelievable

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You just never learn do you?

Let's be serious. Q probably won't even see the field, and if he does, he won't touch the ball more than 2 or 3 times.

[Florida_Bronco]

Let's be serious. Q probably won't even see the field, and if he does, he won't touch the ball more than 2 or 3 times.

Then Dayne will run for 150 on you

If that doesn't work...our Waterboy will run for 150 yards against you.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Then Dayne will run for 150 on you

If that doesn't work...our Waterboy will run for 150 yards against you.

Your entire team isn't going to combine for 150 rushing yards.

[TheDave]

In any event i'm glad for Q. I'm not so sure how much he can help us but i hope the best for the guy. I would like to see him used not as a feature back but as a change of pace back. I think q would be deadly on a screen...by the way why don't we ever run screens?

[dlow187]

Your entire team isn't going to combine for 150 rushing yards.

are u willing to make a bet?

If the broncos as a team, run for 150 or more you got to put
"Yup. I love huge penises. High five, anyone?" under your avatar.

If we dont rush 150, i'll put it under my avatar

Deal? or are you scared to back up your queefs

[dlow187]

In any event i'm glad for Q. I'm not so sure how much he can help us but i hope the best for the guy. I would like to see him used not as a feature back but as a change of pace back. I think q would be deadly on a screen...by the way why don't we ever run screens?

like the way the Chargers uses Darren Sproles. I agree w/ you.
Q is Boykins on the football field, Every time he touches the ball he has something to prove

[Bob's your Information Minister]

are u willing to make a bet?

If the broncos as a team, run for 150 or more you got to put
"Yup. I love huge penises. High five, anyone?" under your avatar.

If we dont rush 150, i'll put it under my avatar

Deal? or are you scared to back up your queefs

Deal. And this is for the rest of the season, because you don't post much.

[Ratboy]

Q's back? Now I really want Shanny gone. That little squirt is the bane of my existence.

Ha! Shanahan is the greatest thing since slice bread... or some will say.

I'm starting to question him every day now.

[dlow187]

I've read the post here for a while but I barley been a member for about 1 week or so.
ok for the season then

[TheDave]

Ha! Shanahan is the greatest thing since slice bread... or some will say.

I'm starting to question him every day now.

If i wasn't such a fan of winning, I sometimes wish Shanahan would move on just so all you haters could be reminded of what it's really like to have a sh!ty coach...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Welcome back Q. Just in time to play your favorite team.

[Clockwork Orange]

It absolutely boggles my mind that when they were both on the roster in camp, that lop of **** Maurice Clarett got more support than Quentin Griffin around here. Amazing.

At least it can be said that of all the criticism of Q that we've heard, his heart & work ethic have never been in question.

Welcome back!

[SoCalBronco]

Good point, CO. I have always appreciated Q's demeanor and work ehtic. Welcome back Q. Hopefully you can make Bob tear out his hair again.


Pfft. Quentin Griffin will have no trouble putting up 200 yards and 4 TDs on the Chiefs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Good point, CO. I have always appreciated Q's demeanor and work ehtic. Welcome back Q. Hopefully you can make Bob tear out his hair again.


Pfft. Quentin Griffin will have no trouble putting up 200 yards and 4 TDs on the Chiefs.

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR! BOB SMASH!

http://www.posterplanet.net/new/images/hulkangry.jpg

[ScottXray]

Welcome back Q. Hope you got some "magic" for the boys. :puff:

[baja]

Sounded like Shany wanted to keep him originally but they just ran out of roster space for a specialist. Now the Three Kicker Experiment is over and there is room for him again.

This is what I think happened and I am very happy about it, I got my adobted Bronco back

[DBroncos4life]

Cedric Cobbs: University of Arkansas. Very good back. Injured all the time. Has been known to partake in the gonja.



No I said COBBS not Mike Anderson. :puff:

[-Slap-]

It absolutely boggles my mind that when they were both on the roster in camp, that lop of **** Maurice Clarett got more support than Quentin Griffin around here. Amazing.

At least it can be said that of all the criticism of Q that we've heard, his heart & work ethic have never been in question.

Welcome back!

:yep:

Best post of the night!

[DarkHorse30]

If i wasn't such a fan of winning, I sometimes wish Shanahan would move on just so all you haters could be reminded of what it's really like to have a sh!ty coach...

GREAT call. Maybe the nattering neigh-bobs would like to revisit the glory days of Rod Bernstine and Leonard Russell.

It's priceless to me that some Denver fans forget how consistent Shanahan's offense has been, even in down years, at running the ball and controlling the timeclock. Doesn't matter which RB you have, or if you change 3 times in 2 games....125 yards per game like clockwork. Ask the Raiduh fans how many backs have run for 1000 yards per year in the last 10 years. I think Nap was the last one.....

[dlow187]

GREAT call. Maybe the nattering neigh-bobs would like to revisit the glory days of Rod Bernstine and Leonard Russell.

It's priceless to me that some Denver fans forget how consistent Shanahan's offense has been, even in down years, at running the ball and controlling the timeclock. Doesn't matter which RB you have, or if you change 3 times in 2 games....125 yards per game like clockwork. Ask the Raiduh fans how many backs have run for 1000 yards per year in the last 10 years. I think Nap was the last one.....

wheatly in 2000

[Kaylore]

GREAT call. Maybe the nattering neigh-bobs would like to revisit the glory days of Rod Bernstine and Leonard Russell.

It's priceless to me that some Denver fans forget how consistent Shanahan's offense has been, even in down years, at running the ball and controlling the timeclock. Doesn't matter which RB you have, or if you change 3 times in 2 games....125 yards per game like clockwork. Ask the Raiduh fans how many backs have run for 1000 yards per year in the last 10 years. I think Nap was the last one.....
I agree. I keep hearing about horribly old our line is, when the majority are actually very young. We're a bit weak on the right side, sure, but as i've said all season, lets see what our numbers are at the end of week 8.

[DarkHorse30]

They should just start Dayne and be done with all this wankowrama about the starting RB........at this point, nobody else measures up in regular season play...no one.

Give him the start and if he falters..........then send in MA.

I believe the "wankorama" is important in confusing Gunther....ask dumpy for further information.

[Popps]

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/2004/09/13/griffin_quentin250.jpg

[Popps]

Check out the look on that cheerleader's face. It's like... "****, didn't this guy already score 6 TDs today??"

[ozomulsion]

No I said COBBS not Mike Anderson. :puff:

Cobbs got suspended for :puff: when he was at Arkansas.

[DBroncos4life]

Cobbs got suspended for :puff: when he was at Arkansas.


It was a joke.

[RhymesayersDU]

It was a joke.
"Ahh jokes... I get jokes."

-Homer Simpson

[ozomulsion]

It was a joke.

I figured. I just didn't know if you knew that. :)

[meangene]

Who's Cobbs? and also, where did Veal come from?

Veal was orininally a 7th rd. pick by Atlanta in '03. Was on the Ravens practice squad late last year before Denver added him. I've been impressed with him too. They must have seen something to keep him over Davis and Fatafehi.

[bloodsunday]

just in time to make kc look like a bunch of high schoolers yet again\

wait why do we need q to do that? dayne can handle it
Yup. Give him a minimum deal for 2 good games a year ROFL!

[-Slap-]

Yup. Give him a minimum deal for 2 good games a year ROFL!
Two more than a lot of guys have given us.

[bloodsunday]

Pfft. The Chiefs will have no trouble stopping Quentin Griffin.
Probably not since he's going to be 4th on the depth chart.

If anything I think this says two things: a) they aren't happy with Ernster (PS bound) and b) the injuries to MA and Bell are raising some concern.

[fontaine]

"Ahh jokes... I get jokes."

-Homer Simpson

For the Simpson's fans:

from http://www.profootballtalk.com/smarthomer.jpg

http://www.profootballtalk.com/smarthomer.jpg
Vikings coach Homer Tice thinks that the glasses he found in a Metrodome toilet make him look S-M-R-T.


ROFL!

[bloodsunday]

Your entire team isn't going to combine for 150 rushing yards.
That sounds like a vbet waiting. This is Invesco Field on Monday Night, your kryptonite. We can lookup the rushing the stats the past 5 KC and Denver games at Denver if you like. I guarantee the average is more than 150.

[bloodsunday]

I'm actually glad Q is back. I like Q and I don't think he got a fair shot. He faced a little adverstity last season and then he got hurt. I know he's small, but I think he is tough enough and strong enough to overcome. He catches the ball well, blocks well, has some speed and is the most elusive back we have.

I'd like to see Q get some reps before we give up on him.

[Broncoman13]

I'm actually glad Q is back. I like Q and I don't think he got a fair shot. He faced a little adverstity last season and then he got hurt. I know he's small, but I think he is tough enough and strong enough to overcome. He catches the ball well, blocks well, has some speed and is the most elusive back we have.

I'd like to see Q get some reps before we give up on him.


I think Shanny is finally starting to realize the importance of a 3rd down back that can make things happen in the pass game.

Q isn't afraid to stick his head in and block either. He's not the least bit effective in the short game, but between the 20's he brings a good threat.

He goes down with the arm tackles, but he'll also make guys miss and pick up an extra 4 or 5 yards on occassion.

I'm fuming about Tatum Bell. What the hell is his problem? He's going from being the future Portis to bench bum in less than 6 months!!! Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot OVER!

[BigPlayShay]

Q isn't afraid to stick his head in and block either.

This is absolutely true. Q is a pretty damn good pass blocker for his size.

[bloodsunday]

I think Shanny is finally starting to realize the importance of a 3rd down back that can make things happen in the pass game.

Q isn't afraid to stick his head in and block either. He's not the least bit effective in the short game, but between the 20's he brings a good threat.

He goes down with the arm tackles, but he'll also make guys miss and pick up an extra 4 or 5 yards on occassion.
I personally think too much is made of Q's size on this board. Q has plenty of power and strength. He had some bad breaks last year with the fumble, tough early schedule, and his injury. The schedule in particular was a problem. He struggled against Jax and SD, so what? How effective were our "bigger" backs against Miami and SD this season? It's not just the size of the back. Q had a Griese-moment after his fumble against J'ville and lost confidence.

I'm fuming about Tatum Bell. What the hell is his problem? He's going from being the future Portis to bench bum in less than 6 months!!! Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot OVER!
I think Tatum will be fine. He needs to keep his head up, work hard, and wait for his opportunity. When that opportunity comes he needs to seize the day. All this talk about his blocking and fumbles will go away if he starts running for 125 yards a game and 5 yds/carry. I heard the "Tatum Bell Show" on AM 950 last night and he sounds like he has a great attitude. He embraces playing special teams or any other role this team will give him. Shanny is partial to veterans, so Bell is gonna have to earn it, probably more so than MA or Dayne. It'll come, IMO. I'd be worried if he had an attitude like Clarett.

[Hotrod]

Pfft. The Chiefs will have no trouble stopping Quentin Griffin.

LOL

[Hotrod]

This is strange. I don't get it.

My first thought was how bad is tatertots ankle?

[Spider]

LOL
Ole Bob is a comedian ............

[bendog]

Yep, how bad is the ankle? But, this does make some sense in that 1. Q's knee was not up to strength but getting better, so if he's continued rehabbing, he may be a little closer, and 2. as noted he will pick up the blitz, and he's a threat in the passing game. Good tool to work on the safties stacking the line.

And for any who think Shanny "doesn't care" or is "burned out" and won't "call out guys" or "send messages," this might give them a clue.

[bloodsunday]

Yep, how bad is the ankle? But, this does make some sense in that 1. Q's knee was not up to strength but getting better, so if he's continued rehabbing, he may be a little closer, and 2. as noted he will pick up the blitz, and he's a threat in the passing game. Good tool to work on the safties stacking the line.
Shanny struggled to let go of Q to begin with. He was drawing interest among other teams and now we have two backs nicked-up. I think it was a wise decision because in another week or two Q might not have been available.

And for any who think Shanny "doesn't care" or is "burned out" and won't "call out guys" or "send messages," this might give them a clue.
I fall into the group on the latter two, but I am not sure what you are referring to? Here is an article that I think reflects the type of comments I am referring to:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67065&type=InsideSlant

"0-2 is not acceptable, but it's where we're at," Billick said. "We earned the 0-2. We weren't robbed by the officials. It wasn't bad scheduling. And we're going to have to work our way out it."

"My biggest disappointment has been our inability to run the ball," Billick said.

I'm not asking for anything deroggatory, but something with more substance than "if we improve our play we got a chance to do something special". Something that communicates more clearly to the team and fans alike that he is passtionate. I am not suggesting that he doesn't "care", but that sometimes his comments seem like he doesn't approach the game with the same sense of urgency that the fans expect. (I know that's not true, but that is how he comes across). What's more I think that over time some of the players play with a lack of urgency, such as the 1st six quarters of football this season, perhaps because they have beaten up with cliches and ho-hum commentary. If he comes across the same to the team as he does the fans, then it would only be natural for them to lack urgency, IMO. Players need motivation once in a while and it can come from multiple sources. Heck, I'd like to see Shanny come out once in a while with some trickey and exciting stuff in the game plan. Players see those things and sense that it means the game is more important. Case in point is Bailey on offense against KC last season. The teams seemed to dialed in to the game plan and understand how important that win was.

That's about as clear as I can state what I am getting at. I will now drop this so as not to hijack an otherwise good thread.

[fontaine]

"0-2 is not acceptable, but it's where we're at," Billick said. "We earned the 0-2. We weren't robbed by the officials. It wasn't bad scheduling. And we're going to have to work our way out it."

"My biggest disappointment has been our inability to run the ball," Billick said.

I'm not asking for anything deroggatory, but something with more substance than "if we improve our play we got a chance to do something special".


It's ironic that you are using Billick as an example when comparing with Shanahan considering exactly how pathetic the Raven's offense has been for years under that goon who supposedly was known by the moniker: QB Guru. Billick's offense and past history is littered with signal callers like Redman, Grbac, Banks, Boller etc which is funny because the only QB worth a damn in that offense was let loose a long time ago. So I'm glad that there is no similarity between the two coaches.

Something that communicates more clearly to the team and fans alike that he is passtionate. I am not suggesting that he doesn't "care", but that sometimes his comments seem like he doesn't approach the game with the same sense of urgency that the fans expect. (I know that's not true, but that is how he comes across). What's more I think that over time some of the players play with a lack of urgency, such as the 1st six quarters of football this season, perhaps because they have beaten up with cliches and ho-hum commentary. If he comes across the same to the team as he does the fans, then it would only be natural for them to lack urgency, IMO. Players need motivation once in a while and it can come from multiple sources. Heck, I'd like to see Shanny come out once in a while with some trickey and exciting stuff in the game plan. Players see those things and sense that it means the game is more important. Case in point is Bailey on offense against KC last season. The teams seemed to dialed in to the game plan and understand how important that win was.

That's about as clear as I can state what I am getting at. I will now drop this so as not to hijack an otherwise good thread.

90% of what the coaches say publicly is lip service and a by product of the media's over exposure of the NFL, so I try not to put stock in what's been said. They have to be there, more for PR reasons than actual info exchange I feel (apart from the injury stuff)

There have been too many emotionally retarded statements made by coaches already in the public like Callahan and his "we're the dumbest team in America" or Vermeil verbally punking out Huggies Boy Johnson for me to want any "real" comments made by Shanny.

I mean, do you really want Shanny to tell it like is on Ashlie after that Miami farce?

[Garcia Bronco]

WHY?!?!

This kid sucks

[bendog]

I think bloodsunday is asking for a personal relationship with shanny. Odd, imo. But if you're looking for clues as to shanny, and obviously you need a few, you need to look to what he does and stop focusing on what he says, because he's not going to give anymore information out to you, me, or anybody else, because that's how smart coaches work.

[fontaine]

I think bloodsunday is asking for a personal relationship with shanny. Odd, imo. But if you're looking for clues as to shanny, and obviously you need a few, you need to look to what he does and stop focusing on what he says, because he's not going to give anymore information out to you, me, or anybody else, because that's how smart coaches work.

Exactly. For example, keeping Ron Dayne in for the game winning drive shows that Shanny liked what he saw and is willing to give him more of a chance. Even though he's said Mike is still the starter, I feel the next game we could very well see them splitting series depending on who gets a better start.

I will say that Dayne looked quick out there. I dunno if that's because he's kept in shape or that he's comfortable behind our blocking schemes.

[RedskinBronco]

I like this move. Q is really not a bad RB. He's had some bad luck, but he can contribute to this team. It's very tough to play a big RBs like Dayne and Anderson and then adjust to a small RB in Griffin. Come on Q, this is the team you love to torture. No fumbles Q. That one against the Jags last year really set him back.

[bendog]

Q's a perfect 3rd down back, if healthy. I was sorry to see him go, but it seemed clear his knee had awhile to go. I doubt he's anything more than a "just in case" move, as Tater may need a week or two to be able to cut again, and MA's hurt.

Unlike Javon Walker's situation, it's always struck me as unfair how guys who can pass a physical but who aren't 100% rehabbed can be cut. Not that Den did anything other teams don't or that Den had any choice, given roster limits and the CBA.

I think it was Slap a long time ago who said he could tell shanny was lying when his lips started moving. If not Slap, then whoever said it, was really right. Billachick and Shanny are from the Landry school of coaches who drive the media nuts. They don't like questions, and never really ask the ones asked of them unless the answer is so obvious the question needed be asked. LOL

[fontaine]

Unlike Javon Walker's situation, it's always struck me as unfair how guys who can pass a physical but who aren't 100% rehabbed can be cut.

Why? If they get back to 100% they'll find work.

Roughly 30% of the players in this league get paychecks purely for potential rather than play, so why keep around players who don't have much potential and are injured as well?

[bloodsunday]

It's ironic that you are using Billick as an example when comparing with Shanahan considering exactly how pathetic the Raven's offense has been for years under that goon who supposedly was known by the moniker: QB Guru. Billick's offense and past history is littered with signal callers like Redman, Grbac, Banks, Boller etc which is funny because the only QB worth a damn in that offense was let loose a long time ago. So I'm glad that there is no similarity between the two coaches.
Let's say like it is, this season there is a lot of comparison. The "mastermind" has had a leaky offense for 5 seasons now. We are all aware of the shortcomings (poor redzone performance, poor third downs, etc...) and they have not been fixed. This team finished dead-last in scoring when taking possession on the opponents side of the field last season and went 0 - 3 in the 3rd quarter Sunday. Depending on your opinion or perspective, there are many that are concerned about Shanahan's inability to find a QB since Elway as well. This team is fortunate to be 1 - 1 and this team played a very pathetic 6 quarters of football. That's what has me concerned.

There have been too many emotionally retarded statements made by coaches already in the public like Callahan and his "we're the dumbest team in America" or Vermeil verbally punking out Huggies Boy Johnson for me to want any "real" comments made by Shanny.

I mean, do you really want Shanny to tell it like is on Ashlie after that Miami farce?
The bottom line IMO is that this team has taken a very ho-hum, even-keel, and non-urgent approach to the games thus far this season. They have been doing a bit too much of that over recent years and it has caused them to just shrug off loses to lessers opponents only to look back and say "a play here or a non-stinker game there" and we would have been this or that. Your not this or that. You are losing to teams like Miami and Cincy. They need to understand that before they go out and lose those games instead of shrugging it off and saying "its a 16 round fight". The attitude of this team is fine for a championship caliber team full of veteran players that have been there. But we are not that team anymore. This team needs to play with more urgency every week. And I believe that Shanny's approach to coaching and managing these players is a factor in that, including comments through the media.

It was funny at the time and it may have just been conincidence, timing, or luck, but LJ has been a terror since Dick called him out last season.

[bendog]

Why? If they get back to 100% they'll find work.

Roughly 30% of the players in this league get paychecks purely for potential rather than play, so why keep around players who don't have much potential and are injured as well?

oh, I just think that there should be a way to let guys get paid for a second year of rehab without screwing up the cap or roster. I'm not sure the roster rules and cba would have allowed Den to IR Q. But I wish the system would work more like workers compensation where a guy's salary keeps coming until the treating docs say he's made it back as far as he physically/mentally will.

[bloodsunday]

But if you're looking for clues as to shanny, and obviously you need a few
I don't need any more "clues" than the ones I witness every Sunday and through the course of the past 5 seasons. This organization is under-achieving. Plain and simple. They continue to struggle in key situations and against more hungry and physical opponents. They continue to lose games to lesser opponents. And they continue to look back at the end of the season and say, well if we had done this or that. The attitude of this team has become soft and one of with little accountability and it starts with the head coach. Disagree with me if you like, but I am tired of watching a soft, non-hungry football team squander opportunities and then be given some cop-out answers from the players and head coach.

It would be easier for me -- my opinion -- to watch a team with lesser talent come out and play their guts out in defeat then to watch this team play with so little hunger and then feed me a bunch of BS. I can see in Rod Smith's eyes that its killing him as well. He's one of the few remaining warriors on this team. You know what sucks about getting our asses whipped by Peyton? Its not the loss, only one team finishes on top. Its the fact that no one on this team even cares. Its the fact that the fans don't hardly care anymore. Where's the spirit this team had with the Orange Crush? Where's the guts and determination they showed all through the Dan Reeves-era? Its' gone.

[fontaine]

oh, I just think that there should be a way to let guys get paid for a second year of rehab without screwing up the cap or roster. I'm not sure the roster rules and cba would have allowed Den to IR Q. But I wish the system would work more like workers compensation where a guy's salary keeps coming until the treating docs say he's made it back as far as he physically/mentally will.

I agree with getting some worker's compensation but that's already in place. If you're on the team at the start of the season, you're base salary is guaranteed if you get put on IR. If you get cut, that's what the signing bonus was for.

Otherwise, I don't think an injured player should be getting paid to sit on the bench for a 2nd year.

Sorry Bendog, you must be getting soft in your old age!
;D

[bendog]

Sure, but if Q is fully rehabbed, assuming he can regain his cutting ability fully, then he is employable by some other team even if he's only good enough to be no 4 in Den. But, with the injury he's not going to be picked up by some other team to be on their opening roster. So, because he could pass the physical, he could not be put on IR (I think), and has to rehab while supporting himself with some other career. The money is there to treat guys better than that.

But, as it works out, Q's out there to pick up with Tater prolly going inactive for a week or maybe two or three, depending on where and how bad he sprained it.

[fontaine]

Sure, but if Q is fully rehabbed, assuming he can regain his cutting ability fully, then he is employable by some other team even if he's only good enough to be no 4 in Den. But, with the injury he's not going to be picked up by some other team to be on their opening roster. So, because he could pass the physical, he could not be put on IR (I think), and has to rehab while supporting himself with some other career. The money is there to treat guys better than that.

But, as it works out, Q's out there to pick up with Tater prolly going inactive for a week or maybe two or three, depending on where and how bad he sprained it.

Good point, but if the guy can play then he'll find work. Injuries alway mount up every week. I mean, every year there's some crazy talk about bringing back Jeff George for a try when QBs go down so yes, while they may be injured and have to rehab privately, they'll still get chances.

But I do take your point. I'd much rather see these guys get chances than players like Jamal Lewis, Carswell, Robinson etc who are repeat offenders and still get three or four chances.

[fontaine]

I don't need any more "clues" than the ones I witness every Sunday and through the course of the past 5 seasons. This organization is under-achieving. Plain and simple. They continue to struggle in key situations and against more hungry and physical opponents. They continue to lose games to lesser opponents. And they continue to look back at the end of the season and say, well if we had done this or that. The attitude of this team has become soft and one of with little accountability and it starts with the head coach. Disagree with me if you like, but I am tired of watching a soft, non-hungry football team squander opportunities and then be given some cop-out answers from the players and head coach.

I hear you, but it comes down to luck in my opinion.

There are 10-12 teams in the league that every year are going around in a holding pattern and Denver is one of those. The only thing that separates these teams from being top of the food chain is a franchise QB.

How competitive or brilliant would Bellicheck have been if some QB coach hadn't begged to draft Brady? Or Andy Reid without McNabb? Shanahan is and will be a great coach, but even a hall of fame coach can't compensate for no QB.

Look what Brees did for Marty. I can hold Shanahan accountable for blunders like Carter, IHOP, Lett, etc, but I can't fault him or hold him responsible for something that is out of his control like the luck of the draw in the draft when it comes to QB.

How else do you explain a defense minded coach in the team that has had the worst scouting department in the NFL coming up with what looks like a gem in Carson Palmer when only a few years ago they blundered with Akili Smith, or other franchises drafting a Crouch instead of Pennington, Losman instead of Rothlis...., Griese instead of Brady?

Or even worse a Manning instead of Leaf?

Be honest, how many of you self confessed draft gurus wanted Leaf over Manning? Yeah, there were plenty of coaches that would have agreed with you.

On the surface a hall of fame coach like Walsh can say Griese has similar tools and characteristics to that of Montana. So before that draft, if your Shanahan who do you draft? Griese or some backup scrawny kid in Brady with a noodle arm? Like it or not, drafting a QB has always been a crapshoot and I don't see that changing.

[bendog]

Good point, but if the guy can play then he'll find work. Injuries alway mount up every week. I mean, every year there's some crazy talk about bringing back Jeff George for a try when QBs go down so yes, while they may be injured and have to rehab privately, they'll still get chances.

But I do take your point. I'd much rather see these guys get chances than players like Jamal Lewis, Carswell, Robinson etc who are repeat offenders and still get three or four chances.
Yeah, I see your pt too. My main disagreement, and I fear of hijacking the thread even mentioning his name, is Javon Walker and not with anything you've posted. Under the contract he claimed wasn't paying him enough, he'll get over 5 million dollars even if his knee is so shot he can't make a roster next year. It's a bitch for him that he won't get a payday with another 5-10 million bonus, but hey, the guy's had a good start in life. I jsut see guys like Q as getting sort of shafted under the CBA. I wish there was a way to have the league pay guys a liveable wage while they rehab as far as they can get even if they can't make a roster in the year after they got hurt.

[bendog]

Yeah, I see your pt too. My main disagreement, and I fear of hijacking the thread even mentioning his name, is Javon Walker and not with anything you've posted. Under the contract he claimed wasn't paying him enough, he'll get over 5 million dollars even if his knee is so shot he can't make a roster next year. It's a b**** for him that he won't get a payday with another 5-10 million bonus, but hey, the guy's had a good start in life. I jsut see guys like Q as getting sort of shafted under the CBA. I wish there was a way to have the league pay guys a liveable wage while they rehab as far as they can get even if they can't make a roster in the year after they got hurt.
PS, I just got an email that FEMA is going to impose some gas rationing on us here in Miss this afternoon, so I'm out to hoard as much as I can, because my wife's in court and won't be able to fill up her car.

[bloodsunday]

I hear you, but it comes down to luck in my opinion.

There are 10-12 teams in the league that every year are going around in a holding pattern and Denver is one of those. The only thing that separates these teams from being top of the food chain is a franchise QB.

How competitive or brilliant would Bellicheck have been if some QB coach hadn't begged to draft Brady? Or Andy Reid without McNabb? Shanahan is and will be a great coach, but even a hall of fame coach can't compensate for no QB.

Look what Brees did for Marty. I can hold Shanahan accountable for blunders like Carter, IHOP, Lett, etc, but I can't fault him or hold him responsible for something that is out of his control like the luck of the draw in the draft when it comes to QB.

How else do you explain a defense minded coach in the team that has had the worst scouting division coming up with what looks like a gem in Carson Palmer when only a few years ago they blundered with Akili Smith, or other franchises drafting a Crouch instead of Pennington, Losman instead of Rothlis...., Griese instead of Brady?
In terms of luck at drafting a QB, I most certainly agree. And I also agree that a franshise caliber QB could change the fortunes of this offense and this team. However, this team hasn't really endorsed a campaign to find a franchise QB. They continue to make execuses for our average (at best) QB play and look for other ways to compensate. It's hard to win the lottery when you don't buy a ticket, no what I mean? Picking up Arizona's scraps and drafting in the 7th round aren't exactly serious attempts to fix what the QB position. We passed on lower-risk (compared to high #1 type guys) draft picks like Simms and Pennington. Hell those guys were even lower risk than Plummer because they would not have commanded near the amount of money we are locked into. I think your analysis of guys that might be available yesterday was good. (What about Carr if Houston continues sprialing by the way?). But I didn't see many guys on that list that look like franchise guys to me.

But that still doesn't change the other 21 positions on this roster. The guys don't play with enough passion or understanding that every game, every play could be that play that you look back on wonder "what if?". This team has enough talent to win with a Kitna or possibly a Rattay, but they gotta want it more.

[bloodsunday]

On the surface a hall of fame coach like Walsh can say Griese has similar tools and characteristics to that of Montana. So before that draft, if your Shanahan who do you draft? Griese or some backup scrawny kid in Brady with a noodle arm? Like it or not, drafting a QB has always been a crapshoot and I don't see that changing.
I replied before you edited to add this section. Brady was a better college QB than people give him credit for. I am a huge Michigan fan and can tell you that he exhibited all the same traits there that he has in NE. However, his career was jammed in between Griese and the primadonna Henson. Brady was the best QB they had his senior year and the coaches knew it, but Henson threatened to leave Michigan if he didn't get playing time. So Henson would get the team in trouble and they would trott Brady out to win the game. I didn't follow the draft that season, but I would have been outraged (even then) that Shanny didn't taken a shot at Brady in a later round, much the same as I am mad he didn't take a shot on Simms. I know Simms is controversial, but he was a 3rd round pick? Hell we cut our 3rd round pick before preseason ended this year.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I am a huge Michigan fan

I knew you had a screw loose someplace :)

[bloodsunday]

I knew you had a screw loose someplace :)
Yeah... another team that keeps breaking my heart... Although last year's Rose Bowl was maybe the most entertaining football game I have ever seen, despite losing.

[DivineLegion]

I would give my left arm to see Q torch the Chef D again...

[royr17]

The only reason the "RAT" resigned him is cause he's hoping that he'll run for 156 yards on the Chiefs this week, if he doesnt then he'll be cut.

Donkey fans be ready to get your runnin game stuffed, oops I forgot you have no runnin game, ha ha ha.

[The Snake]

just in time to make kc look like a bunch of high schoolers yet again\

wait why do we need q to do that? dayne can handle it
Dayne made KC's defense look like high schoolers in last years preseason game.

[The Snake]

I think the formula to win on Monday Night is to run Quintin and Ron... since they both seem to have recent success on that KC defense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Dayne made KC's defense look like high schoolers in last years preseason game.

LAST YEAR being the key part of that. Our run defense in no way resembles last year's run defense.

[DBroncos4life]

LAST YEAR being the key part of that. Our run defense in no way resembles last year's run defense.


Think about the first two games. Jets have a QB that can't throw a 15 yard pass and a 33 year old RB. The next game vs a guy that couldn't beat out said 33 year old RB. ;D

[ludo21]

Think about the first two games. Jets have a QB that can't throw a 15 yard pass and a 33 year old RB. The next game vs a guy that couldn't beat out said 33 year old RB. ;D


Their D is improved, its gonna take a good effort by the OL to get the job done. Also throwing deep early and often should help us to get those Safeties backing up, then throw in a few draws. Cant wait till Monday :militia:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Think about the first two games. Jets have a QB that can't throw a 15 yard pass and a 33 year old RB. The next game vs a guy that couldn't beat out said 33 year old RB. ;D

What do you have that is so much better?

[Bronco9798]

What do you have that is so much better?

A QB that can get out of the pocket and throw on the run. Not a flat footed QB that can't move. That's all your defense has faced so far. Your first true test is going to come Monday night Bob.

We also don't feature a RB like Jordan that has barely any NFL experience in starting and playing a full game.

Bob, the Chiefs under Vermeil have never won in Denver. Our offense has been out of sync so far, but you know it's going to get better as the season moves along. I honestly think you're facing Denver at the wrong time. It's Monday night, it's a home game, and our defense is actually playing pretty good. I think it'll be close, but in the end the home field will pay off.

[DBroncos4life]

Their D is improved, its gonna take a good effort by the OL to get the job done. Also throwing deep early and often should help us to get those Safeties backing up, then throw in a few draws. Cant wait till Monday :militia:


I've never said it isn't improved. I said it would be, just not all-world like KC fans make it out to be. Jordan has a 3.9 yard per carry avg and Martin is worse yet with a 2.5 yard per carry avg. Also the Phins held him to a less yard per carry avg. :~ohyah!:

Seriously though look how bad the good teams at rushing are doing this year. Martin lead the NFL in rushing last year and after two games he has 129 yards rushing. McGahee 151 yards, Lewis 52 yards :saywhat: , Davis 107 yards, Kevin Jones 109 yards, Green 112 yards, LT 124 yards, Dillon 99 yards, and Homles isn't lighting it up with a 3.9 yard per carry avg either. That is alot of good backs that haven't broken 100 yards in a game yet.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A QB that can get out of the pocket and throw on the run. Not a flat footed QB that can't move. That's all your defense has faced so far. Your first true test is going to come Monday night Bob.

We also don't feature a RB like Jordan that has barely any NFL experience in starting and playing a full game.

Bob, the Chiefs under Vermeil have never won in Denver. Our offense has been out of sync so far, but you know it's going to get better as the season moves along. I honestly think you're facing Denver at the wrong time. It's Monday night, it's a home game, and our defense is actually playing pretty good. I think it'll be close, but in the end the home field will pay off.

Give me a break. Your offense doesn't compare to Oakland's and Martin was the leading rusher. Your offense has been only one thing this year - pathetic. Your leading scorer is a ****ing fullback.

The Chiefs are easily facing their weakest offense of the season, end of story.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Seriously though look how bad the good teams at rushing are doing this year. Martin lead the NFL in rushing last year and after two games he has 129 yards rushing. McGahee 151 yards, Lewis 52 yards :saywhat: , Davis 107 yards, Kevin Jones 109 yards, Green 112 yards, LT 124 yards, Dillon 99 yards, and Homles isn't lighting it up with a 3.9 yard per carry avg either. That is alot of good backs that haven't broken 100 yards in a game yet.

How are your awesome running backs doing again? ;)

[SoCalBronco]

Bob will be meeting his two best buddies this week:

1. Q

2. The bootleg.

I cant wait.

[Bronco9798]

Give me a break. Your offense doesn't compare to Oakland's and Martin was the leading rusher. Your offense has been only one thing this year - pathetic. Your leading scorer is a ****ing fullback.

The Chiefs are easily facing their weakest offense of the season, end of story.


I think you'll see this offense get out of its funk Monday night. The Chiefs never shut us down at home. It's not going to happen Monday either. The Chiefs are the perfect team for us to break out against. Sit back and watch.

[DBroncos4life]

Give me a break. Your offense doesn't compare to Oakland's and Martin was the leading rusher. Your offense has been only one thing this year - pathetic. Your leading scorer is a ****ing fullback.

The Chiefs are easily facing their weakest offense of the season, end of story.



Our O might be weak right now but we still have a QB that can throw down field unlike Noodle arm.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob will be meeting his two best buddies this week:

1. Q

2. The bootleg.

I cant wait.

GRAAAAAR! BOB SMASH!

http://www.posterplanet.net/new/images/hulkangry.jpg

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Our O might be weak right now but we still have a QB that can throw down field unlike Noodle arm.

Did you even watch the Jets game? Pennington's arm strength was fine. His decision making and field awareness were what killed him...

[Bronco9798]

Did you even watch the Jets game? Pennington's arm strength was fine. His decision making and field awareness were what killed him...

I did, I watch every Chief game. The Jets were a joke. You're lucky Pennington was a friggin bonehead all day.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I did, I watch every Chief game. The Jets were a joke. You're lucky Pennington was a friggin bonehead all day.

The Jets beat the team that punked you...I guess they were lucky Plummer was a "friggin bonehead" all day. ;D

[DBroncos4life]

How are your awesome running backs doing again? ;)



I was pointing out that many of the NFLs best RBs are not having the years they thought they would. Ours are no where NEAR what most thought but like some have pointed out we have a history of not running very well against the 3-4 and I might add they are doing somewhat better as a group then the Jets and the Faiders.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

they are doing somewhat better as a group then the Jets and the Faiders.

Really?

Jets RYPG: 77.5
Raiders RYPG: 81.5
Donks RYPG: 84.0

Yep, amazing difference. Uhh

[DBroncos4life]

The Jets beat the team that punked you...I guess they were lucky Plummer was a "friggin bonehead" all day. ;D


Take out Surtian for a half, then give your second and third CB cramps and then move Bartee back into covering the second and third WRs and see what happens.

[ludo21]

Whats nice about being even 1-1 is our offense hasnt clicked, if it starts going itll be nice to see the team play "good" as a whole, not just 1 particular group.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Take out Surtian for a half, then give your second and third CB cramps and then move Bartee back into covering the second and third WRs and see what happens.

It's interesting that you say that because we lost Surtain for 2 1/2 quarters, not to mention Roaf, Richardson and Sims.

[DBroncos4life]

Really?

Jets RYPG: 77.5
Raiders RYPG: 81.5
Donks RYPG: 84.0

Yep, amazing difference. Uhh


Are they not doing somewhat better? Bob is 84 not better then 81.5?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Are they not doing somewhat better? Bob is 84 not better then 81.5?

It's not appreciably better. Not enough to make a difference. We're going to shut your run game down.

[Bronco9798]

It's interesting that you say that because we lost Surtain for 2 1/2 quarters, not to mention Roaf, Richardson and Sims.

Bob, the way Pennington was playing I could of played CB for the Chiefs and it wouldn't of mattered.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob, the way Pennington was playing I could of played CB for the Chiefs and it wouldn't of mattered.

Pennington didn't play that bad when he got the ball out of his hand. What killed them was the fumbles and no running game.

[Needa Pass Rush]

:~ohyah!: Take out Surtian for a half, then give your second and third CB cramps and then move Bartee back into covering the second and third WRs and see what happens.

DB... those are excuses. We lost in Miami because we didn't execute. Let's pray they were saving the execution for KC. (if you're diggin my double entendre)

[Bronx33]

Your entire team isn't going to combine for 150 rushing yards.


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20050926_KC@DEN

http://www.dailywav.com/0102/shuthell.wav

[Clockwork Orange]

Donkey fans be ready to get your runnin game stuffed, oops I forgot you have no runnin game, ha ha ha.

LAST YEAR being the key part of that. Our run defense in no way resembles last year's run defense.

The Chiefs are easily facing their weakest offense of the season, end of story.

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