The Randy Moss Trade: A Bust for Both Teams Involved

[Taco John]

Moss has own masking agent
Billy Witz, Columnist

http://www2.sgvtribune.com/sports/ci_3044456

Ah, capitalism, the emancipator of hope, facilitator of upward mobility and bedrock of this great country of ours (unless you happen to run a corporation or a pro sports franchise in which a little one-way socialism, i.e. government handouts, is part of the bulwark, too).
When Karl Marx writes about controlling the means to production, it sounds so industrial, so Rust Belt, so ... hard.

But really, it's simple.

All it takes is a little ingenuity, an absence of inertia and the ability to marry product with market. If it's not a lemonade stand on an August afternoon, it may as well be 900-numbers for alienated men or defense contractors for Iraq.

Which conveniently brings us - not via matters of sex and war this time, but of capitalism - to the NFL.

It seems as if the trade of Randy Moss from Minnesota to Oakland, which was supposed to help both teams, has thus far created greater opportunities on the market than on the field.

So far, the Moss-less Vikings are already ersatz Super Bowl contenders, speculation is rampant that Coach Mike Tice might not make it to October and quarterback Daunte Culpepper has thrown eight interceptions and no touchdowns in two games.

Meanwhile, the Moss-led Raiders sit in precisely the same position: 0-2 and red in the face after back-to-back losses in which they were whistled for 16 penalties against New England, and had two touchdowns nullified by penalties and gifted-wrapped another for Kansas City with a muffed punt. Soon, we might hear the same things being said about Norv Turner as Tice.

When the Moss deal went down, it looked to be the perfect marriage: the NFL's bad boys welcome one of its wayward sons. It didn't take long to see how this would energize the Raider Nation. Before he even played a game, Moss' No. 18 jersey was the NFL's hottest-selling number.

Now, for just $49.95, for the Raiders fan who isn't scaring the neighborhood kids like he used to, and just in time for Halloween - which falls an additional eight times a year in Oakland - there is the Moss Mask.

It's a sullen, scary and very stoned looking mask that comes accompanied with the type of blown-out 'fro that Moss wore last season. A king-sized bag of Doritos is not included.

They became available two weeks ago on therealrandymoss.com.

"The mask was Randy's idea," said Brian Sibson, a co-owner of Ultimate Pros. "He knew it was going to be something that the Raiders fans would jump all over. It's something unique, something cool and the market really helped, going into Oakland. The following the Raiders have definitely opened up some opportunities."

The Web site promises to soon have information on Moss' new line of clothing, his own ring tones and exclusive interviews on something he calls "Moss TV."

"You know last year I tried to get my teammates fired up with my 'time to go to war' 'fro (not to be confused, apparently, with his 'play when I want to' 'fro)," Moss wrote on the Web site. "Lots of fans made comments and asked when I would wear it again. So I thought of an easy way for fans to get 'the look' with my new MOSSMASK!"

The way it looks, Moss is missing some markets out there.

What if all the Vikings' receivers wore Moss masks? Then maybe defensive coordinators would begin basing their whole game plans around where one of these Mosses lined up. Maybe cornerbacks would start giving the new Mosses huge cushions. Maybe Culpepper might start throwing to a familiar face - his second-leading receiver Sunday was Deltha O'Neal, who caught three passes. Did we mention O'Neal plays cornerback for the Bengals?

"Anything could probably help," Sibson said.

Some Moss masks might help in Oakland, too. If the Raiders put five Mosses out in a pass pattern, maybe Kerry Collins would throw it to one of them. Moss caught two touchdown passes Sunday night against Kansas City, one of them disallowed on a dubious pass interference call. But of Collins' final eight passes on the final two series, when they trailed 23-17, none were to Moss.

Ah, but where some see misery and failure, the good capitalist sees opportunity, and in Minnesota and Oakland, where they're still awaiting the first victory of the season, there are plenty of problems to mask.

Elsewhere around the league in Week 2:

A most ominous sign for the Patriots is their inability to get Corey Dillon untracked. In two games, against the improved Raiders' front seven and the Kris Jenkins-less Panthers, he's been held to 99 yards on 37 carries, a paltry 2.7 yards per carry. Last season, he averaged 4.7 yards per carry and in 19 games including the playoffs, Dillon wasn't held to fewer than 73 yards.

Two of the NFL's better defenses, the Ravens and Jaguars, have made the Colts look rather un-Colt like the last two weeks. Next up are the Browns, who don't have any Ed Reeds or Marcus Strouds but they do have Romeo Crennel, whose schemes frustrated Peyton Manning in New England.

Houston, Washington, Detroit and Baltimore have a bye next week. Perhaps they can use it to find quarterbacks. David Carr, Mark Brunell/Patrick Ramsey, Joey Harrington and Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright have led them to 77 points this season.

After the second-half meltdown by the Chargers, Marty Schottenheimer is now 4-14 in his career in Denver. Another bad sign for the Chargers, as well as the Raiders, Ravens, Texans, Cardinals, Packers and Vikings: 38 of the past 42 teams that began the season 0-2 did not make the playoffs.

[bloodsunday]

I think its too early to call it a bust, especially for the Raiders. What did they really have to lose, they were what 5 - 11? The Vikes are a mess and I think at least part of it is that they miss Moss. I am sure they miss Birk as well, but Moss opens up the whole field for the QB and the other players. Moss made Cunningham, Gus, and Brad Johnson all look good.

It's just me, but I think they took a huge flier on Williamson at #7. The guy is all potential. That's what scares the hell out of me when I think about Denver having two #1s (potentially high ones) next year.

[Bronx33]

To early.........IMO

[Taco John]

I think its too early to call it a bust...


I don't. With both teams at 0-2, I think criticism of the trade is fair and good. I don't think the situation is unsalvagable, but so far, it's a bust.

[brncs_fan]

I don't. With both teams at 0-2, I think criticism of the trade is fair and good. I don't think the situation is unsalvagable, but so far, it's a bust.

I don't think you could call Oaklands end a bust. He has atleast showed up, regardless of how innept Collins is. Minne just looks bad though.

[Bronx33]

I don't. With both teams at 0-2, I think criticism of the trade is fair and good. I don't think the situation is unsalvagable, but so far, it's a bust.


I know it's the raiders but to be fair i will say it's officially a bust midway through the season if they continue on the same track.

[bloodsunday]

I don't. With both teams at 0-2, I think criticism of the trade is fair and good. I don't think the situation is unsalvagable, but so far, it's a bust.
Well 0 - 2 is really only unexpected for the Vikings. No one (except idiot Prisco) thought the Raiders would be any good anyway.

Can you judge a draft after the preseason? Did we evaluate the Portis and Bailey trade after 2 weeks? It takes time to know for sure.

[Garcia Bronco]

Too early...but...the absence of Moss in Minny is the root of their problems...were as relying on the jump up deep ball is Oaklands. Ironic. I watched them the other night....Collins was just heaving the ball deep down field...to anybody...not just Moss. At some point Al Davis and Turner need to realize that a short passing game is needed to be robust enough to win in todays NFL.

[Mediator12]

Who would have thought the raiders would be 0-2 with their Defense playing as well as they have? Where is all the Offensive Firepower? The Lamont Jordan difference?

MIN is just flat out being dominated. All the High Profile moves for for both teams Have NOT paid dividends so far. This just goes to show you the VALUE of all those best offseason moves articles that Hyped this trade and the Vikings defensive additions as the BEST moves off the offseason. They are not worth the cyberspace memory thye take up!

[DarkHorse30]

"MossMasks" are cool.....but wait'll you try the "ReeferMadness"!

http://72.22.74.110/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=12439

[Taco John]

At some point Al Davis and Turner need to realize that a short passing game is needed to be robust enough to win in todays NFL.


Unless you're the freaking Redskins, where the plan is to have a terrible short passing game all day long, and then win it at the end with a bunch of circus tosses to Santana Moss and hope he catches them.

[Garcia Bronco]

Unless you're the freaking Redskins, where the plan is to have a terrible short passing game all day long, and then win it at the end with a bunch of circus tosses to Santana Moss and hope he catches them.

You want to laugh...after he caught the first one...I feel asleep...I imagine he caught the second one 10 minutes later....I woke this morning with the local news reporting the Redskins won....and literally said out loud...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

[BigPlayShay]

http://www.upcollectibles.com/upcollectibles/images/mossmask3.jpg

Wow, that is frightening.

[DBroncos4life]

Well the writers and fans still talk about who got the better deal of the Bailey/Portis trade so I think its fair to talk about this trade now. It doesn't apear to help both teams like the Bailey/Portis trade but thats just my opinion.

[NaptownChief]

Moss is averaging 128.5 yards per game and has 2 TD's....That puts him on pace for 2,056 yards and 16 TD's. I would say that is far from a bust. Hell he appears to be all they have so it looks like a hell of a trade for them. Just proves that one player can't buy you a bunch of wins when your team really sucks taint.

[DBroncos4life]

Moss is averaging 128.5 yards per game and has 2 TD's....That puts him on pace for 2,056 yards and 16 TD's. I would say that is far from a bust. Hell he appears to be all they have so it looks like a hell of a trade for them. Just proves that one player can't buy you a bunch of wins when your team really sucks taint.



Well they are on pace for 0-16 as well. I think they could have done that without Moss. ;)

[bronco militia]

if this trade is a bust, then what do you think of Tinker errrrrrrrrr Tatum Bell?

:poke: :devil:

[Rascal]

Exactly militia.

It is to early to tell, but if that trade is a bust then so is Bell.

[NaptownChief]

Well they are on pace for 0-16 as well. I think they could have done that without Moss. ;)


They could do that with a bunch of HS kids but 0-16 doesn't make Moss a bust if he is producing like that...Just means the Faiders are a $hitty team with or without him.

[DBroncos4life]

They could do that with a bunch of HS kids but 0-16 doesn't make Moss a bust if he is producing like that...Just means the Faiders are a $hitty team with or without him.



Well I thought you would make a trade to make the team better but thats just what I would do if I was a GM. I guess if the goal is to make sales then I guess that trade rocked for them.

[DBroncos4life]

I guess we can view the MoC pick as a great pick because of the pub we got and the sales we got for his jerseys. rofl

[Bronx33]

Well I thought you would make a trade to make the team better but thats just what I would do if I was a GM. I guess if the goal is to make sales then I guess that trade rocked for them.


Al does it every year, he buys a shiny rock for the raider fans to keep em interested Bo jackson, jerry rice,Sapp, romonowski, moss ect.......

[westcliffe]

As so many people have said, you can't call "bust" after two games. Moss's stats have been good, he can't help it that Collins sucks and is his qb. I really think the Raiders got the best of the trade, but time will tell. Time, as in a season or two, not two games.

And Militia, I think that Bell is rapidly becoming a bust. He better step up soon.

[DBroncos4life]

Moss is producing so its not his fault that the team sucks BUT he isn't going to help them win then the trade really is a bust. They shelled out alot for Jordan and Moss and so far they are not getting what they wanted out of those too.

[NaptownChief]

Well I thought you would make a trade to make the team better but thats just what I would do if I was a GM. I guess if the goal is to make sales then I guess that trade rocked for them.



Well there is a lot of ways to lose games...You can be a very competitive bad(like the Raiders) or you can be a very noncompetitive bad(like the Texans and probably 9ers when all said and done). Had the Raiders not made that trade they would have been in the noncompetitive bad. ;D So at least Moss is good enough to give the fan base some false hope ahead of all their defeats.

[RaiderH8r]

When I read "Moss Mask" I figured Candy Randy had developed and marketed his own THC masking agent. "If you can't burn'em on the field burn one in the locker room".

Seriously though, that's what I thought. Candy Randy's Test Buster.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Moss isn't a bust, but if there's a team out there that could figure out a way to screw up having him in the lineup, it would definitely be the Fade.

[RaiderH8r]

Moss isn't a bust, but if there's a team out there that could figure out a way to screw up having him in the lineup, it would definitely be the Fade.
Pretty much.

[-Slap-]

I think those Minnesota defenders deserve more than two games together before we judge them. On paper, its still a nice collection of talent.

People underrate chemistry and familiarity. How many times have we seen teams sign a truckload of high profile free agents and then underperform after high expectations? Shula brought in Trace Armstrong and a bunch of other guys in his final season and the Dolphins floundered. Little Danny Snyder with Deion and Bruce Smith a few years back.

[Sodak]

Moss will suck the Fade dry. It's only a matter of time. He can only pretend to be something he's not for so long. Eventually he'll show his true colors and start taking plays off, or giving the Fade 50% when he becomes upset, discouraged, etc...

Moss is a piece of s***...

[Bronco Yoda]

Moss is a ticking time bomb ready to go off on the fade...

If he's willing to go off on his friend and bad ass Dante even when they're having winning seasons what do think he's going to do to skinny white bread Collins and a losing faider locker room.

He won't think twice and Al will be there stokeing the flame.

And having Moss compile individual stats while the fade keep lossing will only stock the fire higher.

Pretty soon now he'll be calling out Collins and the coaches and Al doofus will back his new pet-of-the-year over all them which will be like throwing gas on a fire.


tick.......tick........ BOOM!

It probably won't make a difference since it'll will be too late anyway for their season and they'll be looking for another excuse for the yearly coaching change. Collins will be nuetored and Moss one more year to run wild and free throught the fade sucking what life is left.

just wait and see.... and everyone thought Romo lit a stink bomb. They ain't seen nothing yet.

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.upcollectibles.com/upcollectibles/images/mossmask3.jpg

Wow, that is frightening.

No joke. It looks like a horror costume.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm just glad we only have to face him once more this year, and by that time Randy's effort level will be minimal.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Raiders should be 1-1 right now, so should the Chiefs. Moss was jobbed on the TD call. Watching the Vikings implode doesn't bother me at all!
If Moss gets tired of the Raiders we'll take him.

[Bronx33]

Raiders should be 1-1 right now, so should the Chiefs. Moss was jobbed on the TD call. Watching the Vikings implode doesn't bother me at all!
If Moss gets tired of the Raiders we'll take him.


"Shutters" 8')

[Bronco_Beerslug]

"Shutters" 8')
LOL
He'd make Jake look like the second coming of John!

[NaptownChief]

Raiders should be 1-1 right now, so should the Chiefs. Moss was jobbed on the TD call. Watching the Vikings implode doesn't bother me at all!
If Moss gets tired of the Raiders we'll take him.


And the Bolts should be 1-1 while the Donks should be 0-2.

[Bronx33]

And the Bolts should be 1-1 while the Donks should be 0-2.


The better team won despite lousy officiating...

[RaiderH8r]

The better team won despite lousy officiating...
We had to overcome. It was trying but we're better for it.

[Bronx33]

We had to overcome. It was trying but we're better for it.

Those are the game we haven't been winning so we are 1-0 in 2005 ;D

[Breck Bronc]

"Shutters" 8')http://www.grandtline.com/images/half%20inch/3931%20with%20shutters.jpg

The Raiders are 0-2 because of all the huge penalties they've have called against them, from the bogus pass interference on a Moss touchdown reception to LaMont Jordan's long rushing touchdown that was called back against the Chiefs.

That and they've played at the Patriots and home against the Chiefs; not exactly a cakewalk to open the season. Now they have to go to Philly and should be 0-3. The end of their schedule is much easier than the start, that's for sure.

[-Slap-]

Moss has own masking agent
Billy Witz, Columnist

http://www2.sgvtribune.com/sports/ci_3044456

Ah, capitalism, the emancipator of hope, facilitator of upward mobility and bedrock of this great country of ours (unless you happen to run a corporation or a pro sports franchise in which a little one-way socialism, i.e. government handouts, is part of the bulwark, too).
When Karl Marx writes about controlling the means to production, it sounds so industrial, so Rust Belt, so ... hard.

But really, it's simple.

All it takes is a little ingenuity, an absence of inertia and the ability to marry product with market. If it's not a lemonade stand on an August afternoon, it may as well be 900-numbers for alienated men or defense contractors for Iraq.

Which conveniently brings us - not via matters of sex and war this time, but of capitalism - to the NFL.

It seems as if the trade of Randy Moss from Minnesota to Oakland, which was supposed to help both teams, has thus far created greater opportunities on the market than on the field.

So far, the Moss-less Vikings are already ersatz Super Bowl contenders, speculation is rampant that Coach Mike Tice might not make it to October and quarterback Daunte Culpepper has thrown eight interceptions and no touchdowns in two games.

Meanwhile, the Moss-led Raiders sit in precisely the same position: 0-2 and red in the face after back-to-back losses in which they were whistled for 16 penalties against New England, and had two touchdowns nullified by penalties and gifted-wrapped another for Kansas City with a muffed punt. Soon, we might hear the same things being said about Norv Turner as Tice.

When the Moss deal went down, it looked to be the perfect marriage: the NFL's bad boys welcome one of its wayward sons. It didn't take long to see how this would energize the Raider Nation. Before he even played a game, Moss' No. 18 jersey was the NFL's hottest-selling number.

Now, for just $49.95, for the Raiders fan who isn't scaring the neighborhood kids like he used to, and just in time for Halloween - which falls an additional eight times a year in Oakland - there is the Moss Mask.

It's a sullen, scary and very stoned looking mask that comes accompanied with the type of blown-out 'fro that Moss wore last season. A king-sized bag of Doritos is not included.

They became available two weeks ago on therealrandymoss.com.

"The mask was Randy's idea," said Brian Sibson, a co-owner of Ultimate Pros. "He knew it was going to be something that the Raiders fans would jump all over. It's something unique, something cool and the market really helped, going into Oakland. The following the Raiders have definitely opened up some opportunities."

The Web site promises to soon have information on Moss' new line of clothing, his own ring tones and exclusive interviews on something he calls "Moss TV."

"You know last year I tried to get my teammates fired up with my 'time to go to war' 'fro (not to be confused, apparently, with his 'play when I want to' 'fro)," Moss wrote on the Web site. "Lots of fans made comments and asked when I would wear it again. So I thought of an easy way for fans to get 'the look' with my new MOSSMASK!"

The way it looks, Moss is missing some markets out there.

What if all the Vikings' receivers wore Moss masks? Then maybe defensive coordinators would begin basing their whole game plans around where one of these Mosses lined up. Maybe cornerbacks would start giving the new Mosses huge cushions. Maybe Culpepper might start throwing to a familiar face - his second-leading receiver Sunday was Deltha O'Neal, who caught three passes. Did we mention O'Neal plays cornerback for the Bengals?

"Anything could probably help," Sibson said.

Some Moss masks might help in Oakland, too. If the Raiders put five Mosses out in a pass pattern, maybe Kerry Collins would throw it to one of them. Moss caught two touchdown passes Sunday night against Kansas City, one of them disallowed on a dubious pass interference call. But of Collins' final eight passes on the final two series, when they trailed 23-17, none were to Moss.

Ah, but where some see misery and failure, the good capitalist sees opportunity, and in Minnesota and Oakland, where they're still awaiting the first victory of the season, there are plenty of problems to mask.

Anybody else feel like you were reading an article from The Onion?

[ro_50]

Its been two weeks.

[Raider Bill]

just wait and see.... and everyone thought Romo lit a stink bomb. They ain't seen nothing yet.
.

They signed Romo and went to the Super Bowl... Im not following you???

[Raider Bill]

http://www.grandtline.com/images/half%20inch/3931%20with%20shutters.jpg

The Raiders are 0-2 because of all the huge penalties they've have called against them, from the bogus pass interference on a Moss touchdown reception to LaMont Jordan's long rushing touchdown that was called back against the Chiefs.

That and they've played at the Patriots and home against the Chiefs; not exactly a cakewalk to open the season. Now they have to go to Philly and should be 0-3. The end of their schedule is much easier than the start, that's for sure.


Exactly, I dont see anyone else in the division beating Philly and New England either. We'll likely be 0-3 but I'm not sweating it.

[Raider Bill]

BTW Bob, Lamont Jordan completely destroyed Bell on that blitz pickup, bounced him back to the Chiefs side of the LOS. I wish I had the technology to put that clip up.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

BTW Bob, Lamont Jordan completely destroyed Bell on that blitz pickup, bounced him back to the Chiefs side of the LOS. I wish I had the technology to put that clip up.

Scoreboard.

[Raider Bill]

Scoreboard.


Hey douche bag, you're the one talking about people pissing their pants at the sight of Kendrell Bell.

He got completely owned twice by Jordan.


You guys think your going to beat Philly and NE?

You've gotta be kidding me.

You won on a **** call by the ref. You're 2 primary acquisitions looked like a couple of Temple players trying to defend Moss.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8491/star26pb.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hey douche bag, you're the one talking about people pissing their pants at the sight of Kendrell Bell.

He got completely owned twice by Jordan.


You guys think your going to beat Philly and NE?

You've gotta be kidding me.

You won on a **** call by the ref. You're 2 primary acquisitions looked like a couple of Temple players trying to defend Moss.
Have to agree with bil, it was the refs and the Raiders ineptness that lost the game for them not any great performance by KC.

[Raider Bill]

http://www.raiders.com/images/pics/sbtrophies180.jpg

[Raider Bill]

Jesus Christ, you'd think Kansas City won the goddamed super bowl.

You're still a 3 point dog at Denver.

And are losing players to injury weekly.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A 3-point dog on the road? SAINTS ALIVE! THAT'S SO ABNORMAL!

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4025/star19ga.jpg

[Raider Bill]

You won on a bad call.

That defense was no more impressive than ours.

Give me a break. It's not like they've forced a punt on Indy or something.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's not like they've forced a punt on Indy or something.


Indianapolis Colts at 01:22
1-10-IND19 (1:22) P.Manning pass incomplete
2-10-IND19 (1:17) E.James up the middle to IND 19 for no gain
3-10-IND19 (:30) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass incomplete
4-10-IND19 (:25) H.Smith punts 39 yards.

[Raider Bill]

You're 3 main acquisitons were owned in their respective 1 on 1 matchups. Bell was blown up and had nary a tackle.

Surtan and Knight couldnt cover Moss if you gave them a roll of duct tape, a tube of liquid nails, and Linus’ blue blanket.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You're 3 main acquisitons were owned in their respective 1 on 1 matchups. Bell was blown up and had nary a tackle.

Surtan and Knight couldnt cover Moss if you gave them a roll of duct tape, a tube of liquid nails, and Linus’ blue blanket.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4025/star19ga.jpg

[Raider Bill]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4025/star19ga.jpg


This is how many playoff games we're going to win

[Raider Bill]

A 3-point dog on the road? SAINTS ALIVE! THAT'S SO ABNORMAL!




Well when you claim to be the 85 bears and 2001 Rams all wrapped up in one, you'd think Vegas would make it a pickem at least.

[Odysseus]

People underrate chemistry and familiarity. How many times have we seen teams sign a truckload of high profile free agents and then underperform after high expectations? Shula brought in Trace Armstrong and a bunch of other guys in his final season and the Dolphins floundered. Little Danny Snyder with Deion and Bruce Smith a few years back.

Every year I'm shocked by the stupidity of this. People holler get rid of this guy or bring in that guy as if chemistry doesn't even exist. Sometimes a team gets rid of a player not because they lack talent but because they suck as a person.

This team is going run hot and cold. They will probably end up blowing up on some team just when everyone has written them off.

[Breck Bronc]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4025/star19ga.jpgLooks like Jared Allen was getting ready to perform some fellatio for his boys in the locker room. Kansas City is a disgusting franchise with these type of celebrations after a win.

[Ugly Duck]

I watched them the other night....Collins was just heaving the ball deep down field...to anybody...not just Moss. At some point Al Davis and Turner need to realize that a short passing game is needed to be robust enough to win in todays NFL.I dunno, Garcia. 16 of the 21 completions (76%) were to players other than Moss for less than 20 yards each. 3/4 of his completions were short-yardage, non-Moss passes. He short-passed more than he heaved it deep downfield.

[Kaylore]

I dunno, Garcia. 16 of the 21 completions (76%) were to players other than Moss for less than 20 yards each. 3/4 of his completions were short-yardage, non-Moss passes. He short-passed more than he heaved it deep downfield.
I totally agree. Throwing it down field is exactly what they should have done, but didn't. It seemed like Collins was playing to not make a mistake rather than make a play.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah guys, holy ****. The Chiefs COULDN'T POSSIBLY have had the receivers covered downfield, could they?

[DBroncos4life]

A 3-point dog on the road? SAINTS ALIVE! THAT'S SO ABNORMAL!

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4025/star19ga.jpg



Someone needs to put a big floppy dildo in his hand and his mouth.

[Bronco Yoda]

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They signed Romo and went to the Super Bowl... Im not following you???


Selective memory eh njbil?
Guess you don't remember what was to follow then?
Romo roid rages on a fellow player and attacks and breaks his face before the season starts. Al refuses to really hand down any punishment right away. The locker room is pissed. decention follows... You see Romo was Al's current pet....even allegations of racism (which I don't believe was the case btw) within the locker room was thrown about to the media. The fades locker room was fractured and devided before the season even starte.

but of course you deon't remember any of that eh njbil?

[Atlas]

How can anyone say that Moss is a bust for the Faiders?? Hell, he is the only bright spot on the team. He has played great. The Faiders are going to win some games this year. They stole Moss from the Vikes. Remember this team was 5-11 last year. They won't be 5-11 this year.

[-Slap-]

Selective memory eh njbil?
Guess you don't remember what was to follow then?
Romo roid rages on a fellow player and attacks and breaks his face before the season starts. Al refuses to really hand down any punishment right away. The locker room is pissed. decention follows... You see Romo was Al's current pet....even allegations of racism (which I don't believe was the case btw) within the locker room was thrown about to the media. The fades locker room was fractured and devided before the season even starte.

but of course you deon't remember any of that eh njbil?
:'(

I miss Bill Callahan.

[Spider]

Hilarious! more with stats , some say too early to call Moss a bust ........ Bullshít , Moss is bust ....2 games in or 16 games you want to know why ?
1 drive the Raiders had , it was 3 rd and 7 , Moss Runs a 6 yard Pattern , Catched the Ball , then instead of trying to get the extra Yard he strolls out of bounds , Stats are nice , but if you dont get your game on in a clutch play , then it all means nothing .......
I got torched when I said 2 years ago I would take Rod Smith Over moss any day of the week , that 3 rd down play is a perfect example of why ...... If Moss would have put up an effort to get the yard , then I would have a different view ..........

[fontaine]

If Moss would have put up an effort to get the yard , then I would have a different view ..........

No you wouldn't. You'd still think Moss is a me first player who won't put his all on the line for his teammates. And you would be right.

Besides, Moss couldn't put the effort to gain that vital yard since he would have been risking his spliff rolling hand on the stiff arm!

[Spider]

No you wouldn't. You'd still think Moss is a me first player who won't put his all on the line for his teammates. And you would be right. ;D true but i wouldnt be as critical ......And I would be talking about his pass route running

Besides, Moss couldn't put the effort to gain that vital yard since he would have been risking his spliff rolling hand on the stiff arm!
Could you imagine Rod Smith not fighting for that extra yard ? ........ no I couldnt either ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

;D true but i wouldnt be as critical ......And I would be talking about his pass route running


Could you imagine Rod Smith not fighting for that extra yard ? ........ no I couldnt either ;D
Not to defend Moss's bonehead stunts but on that play he's running flat out with no time to take up field. His mistake was not taking the route up to the marker in the first place.

And no one can deny what he brings to game as far as a down field threat.

[Raider Bill]

Selective memory eh njbil?
Guess you don't remember what was to follow then?
Romo roid rages on a fellow player and attacks and breaks his face before the season starts. Al refuses to really hand down any punishment right away. The locker room is pissed. decention follows... You see Romo was Al's current pet....even allegations of racism (which I don't believe was the case btw) within the locker room was thrown about to the media. The fades locker room was fractured and devided before the season even starte.

but of course you deon't remember any of that eh njbil?

That was the lynchpin on which the season turned?

I'd say going through 5 quarterbacks had more to do with it.

[Raider Bill]

Incidently for all you geniuses who thought PBuc would be missed

Texans | Faggins Sees Action in Week 2
Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:40:26 -0700

Megan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Houston Texans CB DeMarcus Faggins replaced CB Phillip Buchanon in the fourth quarter of the Sunday, Sept. 18, game against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Texans | Faggins Moved to First Team Ahead of Buchanon
Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:54:16 -0700

Carter Toole, of HoustonTexans.com, reports Houston Texans CB DeMarcus Faggins practiced with the first team defense Tuesday, Sept. 20, at left cornerback. CB Phillip Buchanon was moved down on the depth chart.

[Spider]

Not to defend Moss's bonehead stunts but on that play he's running flat out with no time to take up field. His mistake was not taking the route up to the marker in the first place. he still could have turned it up I dont remember everything about the Pay but it seemed to me Moss still had a yard or 2 bfore he went out , it isnt the fact that he ran his route short , he ran it flat , and that Moss is a 8 year vet ...... It is the lack of Effort ......

And no one can deny what he brings to game as far as a down field threat.
Lelie is the same kind of threat ...... but then Like I said it isnt the stats , it is preforming in the Clutch , Rod doesnt have no were the Talent of a Moss , but Rod has more heart , and Drive , Right now I am a QB and I have Rod and Moss in patterns on 3 rddown , I am looking to Rod , the Rod Mans catches 3rd down and and making first down is outstanding , I dont know if they keep a stat on that or Not , but I would suspect Rod is in the top 10 in that stat ........
Now to get a little tricky here , Moss may or maynot be a bust to some , but it is clear the Raiders are not a complete team enough to Carry a moss , for example , those 70 + yard bombs for TD's are pretty , but it puts the Raiders Defense on the field , and doesnt allow Collins and the rest of the offense to build up a tempo ... With the Raiders true Recieving threat of Jerry Porter hurt , alot falls onto Curry ..............

[Raider Bill]

Lelie is the same kind of threat

No he isn't.

[Spider]

No he isn't.
Sure he could be , alot of it is our offense , tend to work the more intermediate routes , but of Lelie was on a different team where he got more passes , he would be viewed as a deep ball threat .........

[RedDread]

Sure he could be , alot of it is our offense , tend to work the more intermediate routes , but of Lelie was on a different team where he got more passes , he would be viewed as a deep ball threat .........

And Quentin Griffin is the next Barry Sanders, right?

[Spider]

And Quentin Griffin is the next Barry Sanders, right?
If you say so ........