Walls or Herndon

[BroncoManCanuck]

I think that we should have kept kelly herndon instead of lenny walls. Kelly played great last season. I still don't think that lenny is that great. He has had 1 interception in his career, and gets beat a lot. I think Darrent should be the #2 corner.

[Needa Pass Rush]

At this rate it will be DarGnat playing #2.

[Bronco9798]

Walls sucks, period.
Herndon is gone.
Our No#2 CB spot is a liability as long as Walls plays.

[ludo21]

i said Walls caz the talent is there... but Herndon was solid... either way choosing 3 db's in the draft will help us. Darrent is good, Fox can play, and Paymah is a project, but the skill level is there.

[ozomulsion]

Herndon no doubt. When Walls gets his ankles broke on another pass play, folks will be calling for his head.

[Mediator12]

I said keep both when all you had to do is give him 300k more to get a third rounder out of him. From what I finally wormed out of someone the other day, Kelly wore out his welcome somehow though and was not wanted back from off field issues.

[GreatBronco16]

I would just like to see Bailey and Williams play as the starters for one game to see what happens. I think that will be the best duo for the Broncos but Shanny is really high on having the tallest CB in the league at #2.

But here is a question, if Bailey had to miss some games, who would you want to take his place? Williams or Walls? If you answer Williams, then you should also answer that Williams should be the #2 right now.

[ludo21]

I would just like to see Bailey and Williams play as the starters for one game to see what happens. I think that will be the best duo for the Broncos but Shanny is really high on having the tallest CB in the league at #2.

But here is a question, if Bailey had to miss some games, who would you want to take his place? Williams or Walls? If you answer Williams, then you should also answer that Williams should be the #2 right now.


Williams is good... but Walls still deserves to be the starter. Lets see how the secondary does next week against a good KC team.

[Bronco9798]

Williams is good... but Walls still deserves to be the starter. Lets see how the secondary does next week against a good KC team.

Deserves? I don't think Walls deserves anything the way he plays. He's fortunate and lucky to even be starting.

He was an undrafted FA and is fortunate to have a job.

[bendog]

I would just like to see Bailey and Williams play as the starters for one game to see what happens. I think that will be the best duo for the Broncos but Shanny is really high on having the tallest CB in the league at #2.

But here is a question, if Bailey had to miss some games, who would you want to take his place? Williams or Walls? If you answer Williams, then you should also answer that Williams should be the #2 right now.
But if, knock on wood, champ is out, then williams and walls are in.

These threads never make any sense in that they fail to address the cap issue.

[watermock]

Herndon or Walls? Neither.

D-Will, Champ, Fox and Brandon.

[ludo21]

Deserves? I don't think Walls deserves anything the way he plays. He's fortunate and lucky to even be starting.

He was an undrafted FA and is fortunate to have a job.


i suppose so, but i though walls played pretty good yesterday... JMO tho.

[DB-Freak]

Herndon had a very solid year last year and aside from the Atlanta game he was consistent all year long.

He played more consistently than all our secondary players last year. Doesn't mean he is better than Champ, but he played above his value.

[BMF Bronco]

Williams made a spectacular effort on that ball at the endzone!

[Ray Finkle]

If Herndon is so good, why is he not even starting for the Hawks?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Walls is that bad, eh?

Samie Parker has speed to burn.

[Mediator12]

Walls is that bad, eh?

Samie Parker has speed to burn.

And Fumbles to caugh up too tsk tsk

[Bronco9798]

Walls is that bad, eh?

Samie Parker has speed to burn.

He made a nice catch in the 1st quarter.

Had a huge drop later.

Then poor Sammie fumbled and almost blew the game.

[Mediator12]

If Herndon is so good, why is he not even starting for the Hawks?

Seattle overpaid for Dyson and Herndon has played better.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He made a nice catch in the 1st quarter.

Had a huge drop later.

Then poor Sammie fumbled and almost blew the game.

Yeah, **** happens. He's still had a pretty good start to his first season as a starter. We don't miss Morton at all.

[bloodsunday]

I voted Herndon, but if you had given me the choice before the last two weeks I would have picked Walls.

[DBroncos4life]

Herndon was a scrappy guy. I would rather have him because he catches the ball. If Walls could catch he would be playing WR NOT CB. I like Walls though don't get me wrong but he isn't as physical as Herndon. Maybe he is just affraid that he will hurt his shoulder again and then he can't help the team anymore. If he goes in and gets a good pop on someone maybe he will forget about his arm and start to push WRs around.

[Ray Finkle]

Seattle overpaid for Dyson and Herndon has played better.


Dyson has played a lot better then Herndon....

[Mediator12]

Dyson has played a lot better then Herndon....

Not the first week! I admit I was going off that one game in my analysis, but Dyson got abused in the first game by Jax. Herndon played very well.

[ncjmirabile]

Walls. D-Will hasn't earned a starting role because of two flashy plays. He still has to prove that he can last an entire game and taking a beating from the bigger WRs and bigger RBs.

The whole secondary played like crap the first half against SD. Bailey and Walls playing off. McCardell caught the pass in front of Bailey to set up SD second TD.

The nickle is the perfect place for D-Will to use his speed to make plays.

[Cosmo]

Why not move Walls to FS like it was rumored in the offseason and have D Will start?

I'd like Lynch with Fergy as a backup at SS, Walls with Browner or Brandon as backup at FS, Champ & D Will starting with Foxworth & Paymah backing up.

Any thoughts?

[Mile High Shack]

Walls is the most over-rated CB in the league

if he wasn't 6'4 he wouldn't be in the league

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A 6'4 free safety would be nasty.

[DB-Freak]

He's a fricking tweener.

It would be a nightmare for the Broncos if Lenny had to run defend.

[Cosmo]

So switch him out during different packages.

[FADERPROOF]

Herndon, Ohio represent.

[DB-Freak]

Herndon, Ohio represent.
He's from OSU?

Wow, how did he fare there?

Or just somewhere from Ohio.

[FADERPROOF]

He's from OSU?

Wow, how did he fare there?

Or just somewhere from Ohio.

Just from Ohio, Twinsburg native and attended Toledo University.

Plus I met his family at the Cincinnati game last year.

[DB-Freak]

One of the most underrated players on the Broncos recently and last year was also a very underrated season he put up.

Sad day for me when he left.

[Jetmeck]

Deserves? I don't think Walls deserves anything the way he plays. He's fortunate and lucky to even be starting.

He was an undrafted FA and is fortunate to have a job.

You all obviously have selective memories.........Herndon was torched often and regularly last year. Walls played all of 2003 for us and had he not been injured last year he would have taken that next step, give him a few more games !

[DB-Freak]

You all obviously have selective memories.........Herndon was torched often and regularly last year. Walls played all of 2003 for us and had he not been injured last year he would have taken that next step, give him a few more games !

What games are you talking about? Aside from the Atlanta and parts of the Panther game, Herndon played a very solid year.

You're the one who has the selective memory.

[Jetmeck]

I suppose Champ gave up all the rest of the passing TD's ? Next you'll want champ benched. Seattle overpayed for him and Walls is just as good or better and only going into his second year starting !

[DB-Freak]

I suppose Champ gave up all the rest of the passing TD's ? Next you'll want champ benched. Seattle overpayed for him and Walls is just as good or better and only going into his second year starting !
So you automatically assuming it was Herndon's fault while there are 4 other CBs, 2 safeties, and 3 LBs playing.

To be honest, I don't know, but Broncos only gave up 17 TDs REC and were 4th in the league.

And looking at the games, Champ has given up his share of TD.

And I really haven't seen herndon tripping.

[ncjmirabile]

Herndon was abused by Curry in the Sunday night game.

It would have been nice to see Denver keep both Herndon and Walls. Neither are as bad as advertised and are more underrated than anything else. For those knocking Walls, he didn't have a pass completed on him in the second half.

D-Will has played decent, but he hasn't earned a starting spot. With his speed, he is the perfect matchup for guys like Dante Hall, Marvin Harrison, and Torrie Holt.

[DB-Freak]

Herndon was abused by Curry in the Sunday night game.

It would have been nice to see Denver keep both Herndon and Walls. Neither are as bad as advertised and are more underrated than anything else. For those knocking Walls, he didn't have a pass completed on him in the second half.

D-Will has played decent, but he hasn't earned a starting spot. With his speed, he is the perfect matchup for guys like Dante Hall, Marvin Harrison, and Torrie Holt.
Well, not as bad as you think but yea he didnt have a good game.

Definitely wasnt in the style of Chad Johnson doing his things to Champ.

[Bronco9798]

Herndon was abused by Curry in the Sunday night game.

It would have been nice to see Denver keep both Herndon and Walls. Neither are as bad as advertised and are more underrated than anything else. For those knocking Walls, he didn't have a pass completed on him in the second half.

D-Will has played decent, but he hasn't earned a starting spot. With his speed, he is the perfect matchup for guys like Dante Hall, Marvin Harrison, and Torrie Holt.

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[ncjmirabile]

Well, not as bad as you think but yea he didnt have a good game.

Definitely wasnt in the style of Chad Johnson doing his things to Champ.


From what I saw in the tape, Walls along with Bailey had bad 1st halves and good to excellent 2nd halves. I don't think Walls even had a pass thrown his way the 2nd half.

I'll believe that Williams has starting potential when I see how he does against bigger WRs and bigger RBs and proves that he isn't going to get run over.

I just don't see Williams as having done anything to warrant starting consideration, but it doesn't mean that I don't think he has deadly speed which can help the secondary.

[ncjmirabile]

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[footstepsfrom#27]

Whoever starts opposite Champ will get thrown at. That makes Walls look worse than he is. I think he can be a pretty good CB but it looks like Darrent is a better playmaker.

[ncjmirabile]

Whoever starts opposite Champ will get thrown at. That makes Walls look worse than he is. I think he can be a pretty good CB but it looks like Darrent is a better playmaker.
I could be wrong, but the nickle is an excellent place for speedster CB to make plays.

[Mr. Trout]

Herndon had a very solid year last year and aside from the Atlanta game he was consistent all year long.

He played more consistently than all our secondary players last year. Doesn't mean he is better than Champ, but he played above his value.


He led the LEAGUE in passes defended last year. That says enough for me. Good job front office.

[Taco John]

Walls or Herndon?

Who cares. We have Darrent Williams.

[DB-Freak]

From what I saw in the tape, Walls along with Bailey had bad 1st halves and good to excellent 2nd halves. I don't think Walls even had a pass thrown his way the 2nd half.

I'll believe that Williams has starting potential when I see how he does against bigger WRs and bigger RBs and proves that he isn't going to get run over.

I just don't see Williams as having done anything to warrant starting consideration, but it doesn't mean that I don't think he has deadly speed which can help the secondary.
The thing is it wasn't just from this game I lost faith in Walls. I don't think he played that bad this game aside from a few deep passes.

[fontaine]

Walls. D-Will hasn't earned a starting role because of two flashy plays. He still has to prove that he can last an entire game and taking a beating from the bigger WRs and bigger RBs.

The whole secondary played like crap the first half against SD. Bailey and Walls playing off. McCardell caught the pass in front of Bailey to set up SD second TD.

The nickle is the perfect place for D-Will to use his speed to make plays.

Great Post.

Champ said after the game that he was thrown to maybe three times the entire game.

The number 2 CB (Walls) will get most of the heat in the passing game and it's easy to criticize Walls when he has that many passes thrown in his direction.

I feel better knowing that we have an experienced vet in the position than a rookie who doesn't need that kinda pressure and is working very well off the slot.

Walls isn't designed to cover speed, and shifty guys in the slot because he doesn't have the footwork and suddeness whereas D.Will does who is perfect for the slot because his gambler's mentality will get him torched against number 2 WRs.

[broncohaven]

You have to be kidding me with this poll. Herndon was complete crap. Beaten deep at any WRs liesure, and a complete non-entity in run support. It's retarded how quickly people forget how bad players were once they move on.

I wish we has Griese back, don't you? At least he didn't turn the ball over. Pull your heads out fellas.

[Mile High Shack]

Walls or Herndon?

Who cares. We have Darrent Williams.

I'd rather have Herndon AND Darrent Williams

[maven]

How come there isn't a poll option: They both suck.

[FADERPROOF]

You all obviously have selective memories.........Herndon was torched often and regularly last year. Walls played all of 2003 for us and had he not been injured last year he would have taken that next step, give him a few more games !

Henrdon did get torched last year from time to time, and Lenny got torched...oh wait, he was injured and never played much.