Fire Shanahan?

[Ratboy]

Big win for us, no doubt. Still.. I'm not to sure about Shanahan's future. I like Shanahan as much as the next person, but you have to start questioning his play calling sooner or later. It's horrible. Maybe it's Kubiak too, but everyone knows he's horrible. Even Coyer's playcalling makes my head explode. I'm very surprised we won. Besides the 2nd half, We bad on the offensive side of the ball again. Don't let Plummer's stats blind you, Jake Plummet still couldnt get the offense into the endzone.

Shanahan, He's actually pissing me off. Why start an injured runningback over Tatum Bell, or even Ron Dayne? Mike Anderson is slow and uncapable of carrying the ball and being successfull week in and week out. You can say he's horrible in the passing game, but he's a game breaker when running. I saw some plays where tatum probably could have scored, Instead we use Mike Anderson who's longest run was an 8 yarder.

I still believe in Ashley Lelie, He was thrown to multiple times and caught almost everything his way. If Plummer had a teaspoon of accuracy he might have had more. Smith once again leads the offense in recieving, When is this old man going to drop off in production? I've been saying it for a few years that he won;t be as good. Smith comes out and does awesome in the passing game. Charlie Adams has even become consistant, Where is Darius Watts? Oh, Yeah.. Shanahan thinks sitting him on the bench for 3 qaurters is going to give him confidence and he will turn into a HOF.

This brings me back to Shanahan, We need to get him out here before next years draft, I have a horrible feeling he is going to do something stupid and we're going to implode. We all know Shanahan does bone aheaded moves that cause us to do so. I think Tatum has the skills to carry the ball 25 times a game, Shanahan thinks differently. I thought he would get a few carries in against Sandy Eggo.. I must have missed it, But i didnt see Tatum Bell on offense one time.

I might be overreacting, but Bowlen needs to look at a replacement. :thumbsup:

P.S.

Plummer has to go also.

[Hulamau]

Ratboy check out the article on Coyer and the defense just posted.

[Taco John]

I might be overreacting


Ya think?

[GreatBronco16]

Maybe not fired, but I do think he needs some powers taken away from himself, ie GM. He needs to be able to worry about coaching and coaching only.

[watermock]

Seemed like the D responded.

I can't say the same about the offense. They stumbled around enough to put a few points on the board. I wasn't sold on MA to begin the season and I'm certainly not sold now.

Holding SD to 41 yards in the second half was incredibly heroic, not to mention Champ's TD and D-Wills return and pass breakup.

[Atlas]

Big win for us, no doubt. Still.. I'm not to sure about Shanahan's future. I like Shanahan as much as the next person,.

You do not your a hater.

[Ratboy]

You do not your a hater.

Since when does being critical count as hating?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I might be overreacting,


Ranting like the old neighbor lady across street is more like it.

[Drek]

Man, they won and the did it largely by playing great all around football from the half on. Jake did everything we could ask for him, he's found a diamond in the rough with Adams, and Dayne looks like he could really produce in our system.

Tater not playing? Well, maybe there's a reason for that. Is he dragging in practice? Maybe Shanahan didn't like the idea of matching him up against a quality run stopping 3-4 and would rather just punch 'em in the mouth to set up the pass. Its pretty obvious Shanahan and Kubiak saw a weakness in the Charger's ability to recognize and contain recievers out of the backfield, and Tatum doesn't produce there.

I'd like to have seen Watts contribute, but I'll take Adams and the W thanks. I think Watts will still be fine, he reminds me a lot of Ashley's early developement, and he didn't break out until his third year.

We disapointed in the first half but this team pulled it together and fought like Champs (yep, 53 Champ Baileys). If we get that for four quarters we can beat anyone in the NFL.

[bloodsunday]

I wouldn't say fire Shanny, but I am still worried about this team. The play calling has been marginal, especially on D. The OL is just pathetic right now.

The only way I see this season working out for us is:
a) if our D can copy their performance in the second half for 14 more ball games
b) if we find a way to run the damn ball. I don't think Anderson has it anymore. Maybe the injury is holding him back.

[Ray Finkle]

Maybe not fired, but I do think he needs some powers taken away from himself, ie GM. He needs to be able to worry about coaching and coaching only.


The Broncos have a GM....it's not Shanny...

[brncs_fan]

Does this mean that we should be seeing one of these threads every week?

[Ray Finkle]

Does this mean that we should be seeing one of these threads every week?

Yep....because there are so many other coaches that would do a "better" job then Mike...

[brncs_fan]

Yep....because there are so many other coaches that would do a "better" job then Mike...

You mean like when we ask them who we are goinmg to replace him with and the dissenters are always like.........ummmmmmmmmm.

And given the mood in Denver of late, I can assure you it won't be Kubes or Coyer.

[Ray Finkle]

You mean like when we ask them who we are goinmg to replace him with and the dissenters are always like.........ummmmmmmmmm.

And given the mood in Denver of late, I can assure you it won't be Kubes or Coyer.


yep....

[BMF Bronco]

I can never understand these threads! Yeah, the play calling can be sketchy at times, but isn't that from Kubes? Not to mention, is Shannahan to blame for the 27 (yeah we got 7 back) points that we left out on the field. Randy Cross kept flogging it into the ground, but he was only saying 13 points, I consider the fumble at the 1 yard line a 7 point mishap.

One other rant before I get off my soapbox...

What the hell kind of moron runs onto a field while the play is still going on?! Than God we got the td back, but still?!!!!!!!!!!!! :kiddingme

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I can never understand these threads! Yeah, the play calling can be sketchy at times, but isn't that from Kubes? Not to mention, is Shannahan to blame for the 27 (yeah we got 7 back) points that we left out on the field. Randy Cross kept flogging it into the ground, but he was only saying 13 points, I consider the fumble at the 1 yard line a 7 point mishap.

One other rant before I get off my soapbox...

What the hell kind of moron runs onto a field while the play is still going on?! Than God we got the td back, but still?!!!!!!!!!!!! :kiddingme
You meant moron(s) I'm sure. A direct reflection of team discipline. Who is responsible for this?

[BMF Bronco]

You meant moron(s) I'm sure. A direct reflection of team discipline. Who is responsible for this?

yes, I stand corrected, however, I cannot fully blame Shannahan for the loss of discipline on that one. Everyone who has played any type of organized football, form the 8 year old kid to the 20 year NFL veteran knows damn well, the sideline rule, and considering these guys are in the NFL, they should damn well know to keep his friggin head in the game enough not to go on the friggin' field during a play! thwack

[Drek]

You meant moron(s) I'm sure. A direct reflection of team discipline. Who is responsible for this?
Yep, boneheaded play by those guys, but then, we've seen a lot of that throughout the first six quarters of the season. Its what happened in the last two that impress me. This team bucked down and played to their talent level, and did it in a hurry.

There's a lot of new faces on the team, in key roles and in the supporting caste. It'll take a while for it all to gel together, but when it does this could be a tough as nails team. We'll see how they continue to develop though, at the very least it should be interesting.

[BMF Bronco]

Yep, boneheaded play by those guys, but then, we've seen a lot of that throughout the first six quarters of the season. Its what happened in the last two that impress me. This team bucked down and played to their talent level, and did it in a hurry.

There's a lot of new faces on the team, in key roles and in the supporting caste. It'll take a while for it all to gel together, but when it does this could be a tough as nails team. We'll see how they continue to develop though, at the very least it should be interesting.

Still need the offense to pull thier heads out of thier asses! :deadhorse

[Arkie]

Big win for us, no doubt. Still.. I'm not to sure about Shanahan's future. I like Shanahan as much as the next person, but you have to start questioning his play calling sooner or later. It's horrible. Maybe it's Kubiak too, but everyone knows he's horrible. Even Coyer's playcalling makes my head explode. I'm very surprised we won. Besides the 2nd half, We bad on the offensive side of the ball again. Don't let Plummer's stats blind you, Jake Plummet still couldnt get the offense into the endzone.

Shanahan, He's actually pissing me off. Why start an injured runningback over Tatum Bell, or even Ron Dayne? Mike Anderson is slow and uncapable of carrying the ball and being successfull week in and week out. You can say he's horrible in the passing game, but he's a game breaker when running. I saw some plays where tatum probably could have scored, Instead we use Mike Anderson who's longest run was an 8 yarder.

I still believe in Ashley Lelie, He was thrown to multiple times and caught almost everything his way. If Plummer had a teaspoon of accuracy he might have had more. Smith once again leads the offense in recieving, When is this old man going to drop off in production? I've been saying it for a few years that he won;t be as good. Smith comes out and does awesome in the passing game. Charlie Adams has even become consistant, Where is Darius Watts? Oh, Yeah.. Shanahan thinks sitting him on the bench for 3 qaurters is going to give him confidence and he will turn into a HOF.

This brings me back to Shanahan, We need to get him out here before next years draft, I have a horrible feeling he is going to do something stupid and we're going to implode. We all know Shanahan does bone aheaded moves that cause us to do so. I think Tatum has the skills to carry the ball 25 times a game, Shanahan thinks differently. I thought he would get a few carries in against Sandy Eggo.. I must have missed it, But i didnt see Tatum Bell on offense one time.

I might be overreacting, but Bowlen needs to look at a replacement. :thumbsup:

P.S.

Plummer has to go also.


Dude, you have Shanny's first pick in your avatar. Last year's first pick DJ Williams, is pretty good. Then the 2nd pick was Tatum Bell, who you want on the field. Then there is year before that when the first two were equivalent to Ashley Lelie and Champ Bailey. So, you think we will be better off letting somebody new pick our two 1st rounders next year?

[sirhcyennek81]

even after a win...are you kidding? fire him? replace him with who? come on now. Coach calls plays, players must execute, if they dont execute, how do you expect the plays to work? Offense picked it up in the second half, and will get better every week. Also, if shanahan is so horrible at playcalling, who do you suppose decided to attempt fake handoff pitch to dayne on 4th and 1?

[dbfan4life]

Anyone else see Ashlie's de-cleater on the TD that was called back? Sweet...too bad it didn't count for ****!

[ND Bronco Fan]

I got the answer, lets fire Shanahan and replace him with MIKE TICE.

[sirhcyennek81]

That was beautiful, i paid more attention to his block then to the TD.

[BMF Bronco]

Anyone else see Ashlie's de-cleater on the TD that was called back? Sweet...too bad it didn't count for ****!

brought back memories of Eddie Mac in the Super Bowl! :alky:

[anthonypacino]

Shanny will never be fired from the team...ever. And such talk is not good for the team. Criticism is good no doubt but all this talk this early in the year cannot be good. True his GM abilities are in question but his coaching ability is the only thing keeping this team from slipping into the bowels of the NFL. How many teams make playoffs year after year after losing a legend at QB? Much less a HOFamer QB and RB in the same season. Shanny is the glue that has held this team together for the last 7 years The sad thing about that is NO WAY will he give up the GM duties, remember the Packers? they tried to do the to Holmgren? He bailed to Seattle and left behind a 2 time SB team, a HOF QB just because they wanted to demote him by taking away his duties. If Shanny left who out there is better?

[Circle Orange]

I can never understand these threads! Yeah, the play calling can be sketchy at times, but isn't that from Kubes? Not to mention, is Shannahan to blame for the 27 (yeah we got 7 back) points that we left out on the field. Randy Cross kept flogging it into the ground, but he was only saying 13 points, I consider the fumble at the 1 yard line a 7 point mishap.

One other rant before I get off my soapbox...

What the hell kind of moron runs onto a field while the play is still going on?! Than God we got the td back, but still?!!!!!!!!!!!! :kiddingme

The running on the field part cracked me up when I saw the replay. A bunch of players and even coaches were running out on the field and waving like, "WE WON!!" :clown: as if the game were over or something. Maybe somebody spiked the gatorade :alky:

Of course, its only funny because they won. If they'd lost I would have been pissed...

And did you catch the live feed? Someone sure was cussing, It may have been Shanahan. He made reference to being fined at the press conference.

[jonny1]

A number of players said that they have never seen that penalty called in their life. But they scored anyway, so it is a moot point.

And Bell didn't run partly because he got hurt.

[BMF Bronco]

A number of players said that they have never seen that penalty called in their life. But they scored anyway, so it is a moot point.

And Bell didn't run partly because he got hurt.

Yes they scored, but I wouldn't consider it a moot point, it's all about having the common sense and discipline of being a professional!

[ScottXray]

Fire Shanahan? Hilarious! Not now. Probably not ever (this year at least).
That was a guts call to go for the 1st down at the end and try to seal the win by putting Elam in Automatic range. The offense made the plays they needed at the end.

Elam is starting to show some inconsistency and missed two, so I was still worried.

Jake did allright...his passes were pretty much on (except long balls) yesterday, and he can't stop other players mistakes (MA fumble and penaties on the pass to Putz). He could show a little more ball awareness and he put the ball on the ground. Overall he is NOT the future. But he is the QB for now and the short term future. so far though 0 TD passes and 3 INT.

Coyer made the adjustment that might spark the team....just let the defense PLAY, instead of some silly scheme that wasn't working. They pinned their ears back and just went to the ball in the 2nd half. Man to man.

Offense has to get better on blocking, especially the right side. Draft should address that, or maybe even a trade could.....question is who and how much? Overall they improved. Hopefully they'll play a complete game soon (next week would be a GOOD time). :welcome:

[Arkie]

If Shanny left who out there is better?

The dude on the right.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2948&dateline=1126594588

[GreatBronco16]

so far though 0 TD passes and 3 INT.

You mean 1 TD passes and 3 INT. Not much better but still. Hopefully he will have 2 or 3 TD passes on Monday night.

[ScottXray]

You mean 1 TD passes and 3 INT. Not much better but still. Hopefully he will have 2 or 3 TD passes on Monday night.


Sorry MY bad. :captain:

[Taco John]

What is it going to take for people to understand that Mike Shanahan isn't going to get fired? We go through this moronic excersize every year.

[BMF Bronco]

What is it going to take for people to understand that Mike Shanahan isn't going to get fired? We go through this moronic excersize every year.

Seems more like every week! :hitself:

[Taco John]

Maybe not fired, but I do think he needs some powers taken away from himself, ie GM. He needs to be able to worry about coaching and coaching only.


This again? Shanahan isn't the GM. Sundquist is.

Shanahan is Vice President of Football Operations.

None of this is going to change any time soon.

[ludo21]

This thread is ridiculous!

Shanny wins, and then, lets fire him!!! Tatum got hurt on a ST play and it must have been worse than we all thought. But i guess Dayne getting 40 yards on the last drive was a bad thing caz if Bell were in there he would of gotten 45, right??

Shanny is a great coach and i would like none other than him. The players have to execute, the first half was bad, but mainly caz of the OL, they lookd pretty bad until the last drive until they decided to open holes for Dayne.

[Taco John]

Seems more like every week! :hitself:



It just gets old... I don't know how many times I've had to explain to someone that Shanahan isn't the GM. This is a development that happened YEARS ago, and yet it seems like every week someone comes in with the brilliant idea to strip Shanahan of GM duties...

[Arkie]

If these threads only happened after losses, there would of been 14 of them over the last two years. Unfortunately, we have a thread like this every week, and multiple versions after the losses.

[DarkHorse30]

Big win for us, no doubt. Still.. I'm not to sure about Shanahan's future. I like Shanahan as much as the next person, but you have to start questioning his play calling sooner or later......

Yes, the playcalling seems terrible....but consider that both Miami and SD have REALLY good defenses....just look at the lineup.

But go back and look at the questions/comments that came up about Shanahan's (Denver's) moves during the last 2 offseasons.

1)Can Plummer win enough games to get them back in the playoffs?

Yes, unfortunately playing Indy at home is not a great matchup for any team.

2)Trading Portis for Bailey is dumb....how can we find another homerun threat at RB?

Portis is a very good RB, but Droughns was nearly as good....ditto Tatum Bell. Champ is a great example of a good CB that can cover AND tackle AND disrupt an offense.

3)Getting rid of Heyward is crazy, and adding those old Browns players is idiotic.

Looks like Warren and Brown are playing their asses off so far...the pass rush is beginning to happen. Heyward was good, but not 5M/year good.

4) Drafting 3 CBs is crazy...we need a pass rush

See #3. A good pass rush happens when the secondary covers well...and vice versa. You can't have one without the other. Check out DWs punt return for a TD yesterday. So far, our 2nd round pick could be a darkhorse ROY candidate if he contines to play like he has.

5) Ron Dayne is a stupid pickup.

He knows how to run in this system and was instrumental in getting that first win for Denver. Plus he can catch a pass.


So what's the verdict? IMO, we can live with an "ordinary" offense that doesn't give up the rock that often, while our defense begins to gel. It may take half a season for Denver's offense to click like it should. You have to be more patient.

[PatsWin2002]

FYI - From Shanny's biggest critic:

http://fireshanahan.com/

Different week, same problems

The Denver Broncos' defense won this game. The defense just happens to be the part of the team Shanahan has the least control over.

The Denver Broncos offense on the other hand had the same problems they had last week against Miami. An inability to run (until late in the game, an inability to score in San Diego territory, and penalties costing the team field position and points.

Until Ron Dayne came into the game Denver had less than fifty yards on the ground. Their longest run was eight yards. Even with Dayne's excellent performance added in they still rushed for less than 100 yards as a team and their longest run was 13 yards. Last week Denver only rushed for seventy yards, thirty of which came on one play. If the Broncos cannot run the football they will lose.

Once again, the Broncos could not score in the red zone and lost too many opportunities to score while in San Diego territory. They left at least 17 points on the field today.

Denver was completely undisciplined on the field on offense with penalties calling back two touchdowns. One of which is just inexcusable, that being the 12 men on the field penalty that negated Darrent Williams' punt return. Well coached teams do not have these kinds of problems.

Well coached teams execute when they need to, well coached teams do not commit stupid penalties that cost their teams points, and well coached teams do not leave almost twenty points on the field.

If the Broncos play this way against Kansas City next week, they will most certainly lose. If they think that they can make this many mistakes against New England and Philadelphia and come away with a win they are also in for a rude awakening.

[Circle Orange]

Seems more like every week! :hitself:


No...wait...I just saw Shanny wearing a 'patch' suit and riding out of town on a chicken truck. His hair was full of feathers...

Holding a sign saying "Tiujana or Bust". http://scosoft.com/s/Action/4b66535f.gif

[BroncoSoja]

If Shanny left who out there is better?

No one, when Shanny leaves we will become the new LA Clippers, the new Detroit Lions.... Shanny is the only person in the world capable of brining a winning environment to the Broncos, only him.. All others will be doomed to fail for it is written that "A rabbit of a man shall lead the horse team to the land of mediocrity untill time itself shall come to a end."

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Speaking of "fire shamaplan," here's this week's update from http://fireshanahan.com/

The Denver Broncos' defense won this game. The defense just happens to be the part of the team Shanahan has the least control over.

The Denver Broncos offense on the other hand had the same problems they had last week against Miami. An inability to run (until late in the game, an inability to score in San Diego territory, and penalties costing the team field position and points.

Until Ron Dayne came into the game Denver had less than fifty yards on the ground. Their longest run was eight yards. Even with Dayne's excellent performance added in they still rushed for less than 100 yards as a team and their longest run was 13 yards. Last week Denver only rushed for seventy yards, thirty of which came on one play. If the Broncos cannot run the football they will lose.

Once again, the Broncos could not score in the red zone and lost too many opportunities to score while in San Diego territory. They left at least 17 points on the field today.

Denver was completely undisciplined on the field on offense with penalties calling back two touchdowns. One of which is just inexcusable, that being the 12 men on the field penalty that negated Darrent Williams' punt return. Well coached teams do not have these kinds of problems.

Well coached teams execute when they need to, well coached teams do not commit stupid penalties that cost their teams points, and well coached teams do not leave almost twenty points on the field.

If the Broncos play this way against Kansas City next week, they will most certainly lose. If they think that they can make this many mistakes against New England and Philadelphia and come away with a win they are also in for a rude awakening.

[TheDave]

echo, echo, echo...

[DB-Freak]

That has got to be one of the worst sites ever.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That was got to be one of worst sites ever.

It's awesome.

[Clockwork Orange]

So trolluride started his own website, good for him.

[Bronx33]

That was got to be one of worst sites ever.

A site where they can all pee on themselfs that's cute....

[anthonypacino]

No one, when Shanny leaves we will become the new LA Clippers, the new Detroit Lions.... Shanny is the only person in the world capable of brining a winning environment to the Broncos, only him.. All others will be doomed to fail for it is written that "A rabbit of a man shall lead the horse team to the land of mediocrity untill time itself shall come to a end."
I'm not saying that Shanny is the only one that could win in Denver. Bowlen and him have a "understanding" He will be here until he wants to leave, period. What current coaches out there have the resume that Shanny does? What coordinater has the resume that Shanny had when he came to Denver? Right now I do not think that is a very long list, and even if that list was long, are they avalable?

[anthonypacino]

The dude on the right.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2948&dateline=1126594588
You got that right!!

[anthonypacino]

This again? Shanahan isn't the GM. Sundquist is.

Shanahan is Vice President of Football Operations.

None of this is going to change any time soon.
That is what it says in the Media Guide but Sundquist answers to Shanny, When Shanny wants them gone they are gone, vice versa. Sundquist does'nt think and act on his own accord, Shanny is pulling the strings. I've even heard that Sunds fetches Shanny's dry cleaning as well.

[sledgehammer]

This thread is ridiculous!

Shanny wins, and then, lets fire him!!! Tatum got hurt on a ST play and it must have been worse than we all thought. But i guess Dayne getting 40 yards on the last drive was a bad thing caz if Bell were in there he would of gotten 45, right??

Shanny is a great coach and i would like none other than him. The players have to execute, the first half was bad, but mainly caz of the OL, they lookd pretty bad until the last drive until they decided to open holes for Dayne.

A great coach doesn't go 6 years without winning a playoff game or the division.

[anthonypacino]

A great coach doesn't go 6 years without winning a playoff game or the division.
So, would you call Bill Parcells "not a great coach?" He only won a SB with the Giants, went and lost with the Pats and got only as far as the AFC title game with the Jets. Would you rather have a guy like Chris Palmer or Bill Parcells? Shanny is a great coach, and the main reason that the Broncos have had only one losing season since Elway and Davis have been gone. Do you honestly think another coach out there could have done better than that with what Shanny had? This whole thread needs to be closed until after the season, then we can debate all summer long, meanwhile Shanny will still be the coach no matter what we think.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So, would you call Bill Parcells "not a great coach?" He only won a SB with the Giants, went and lost with the Pats and got only as far as the AFC title game with the Jets.

And all of those involved winning a playoff game or his division. Thanks for playing.

[bob bobs' on gunther]

And all of those involved winning a playoff game or his division. Thanks for playing.

cry baby aint half the coach shanny is

[anthonypacino]

And all of those involved winning a playoff game or his division. Thanks for playing.
not with the cowboys

[Bob's your Information Minister]

not with the cowboys

He's only been there for TWO YEARS!!! He went to the playoffs with QUINCY CARTER!!

[anthonypacino]

He's only been there for TWO YEARS!!! He went to the playoffs with QUINCY CARTER!!
Shanahan went to the playoffs with JAKE PLUMMER!! TWICE!!

[Dudeskey]

The Broncos have a GM....it's not Shanny...
http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/html/emoticons/jerkit.gif

Ted Sundquist is only a GM by title... As Vice President of Football Operations, Shanahan has the authority to overrule any decisions made by Sundquist the "GM". Hence, that would make Shanahan the defacto General Manager of the Broncos organisation...™

[Atlas]

http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/html/emoticons/jerkit.gif

Ted Sundquist is only a GM by title... As Vice President of Football Operations, Shanahan has the authority to overrule any decisions made by Sundquist the "GM". Hence, that would make Shanahan the defacto General Manager of the Broncos organisation...™

urinal cakes are cool

[Ratboy]

urinal cakes are cool

They taste good.. or so i heard.

[Atlas]

http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/html/emoticons/jerkit.gif

Ted Sundquist is only a GM by title... As Vice President of Football Operations, Shanahan has the authority to overrule any decisions made by Sundquist the "GM". Hence, that would make Shanahan the defacto General Manager of the Broncos organisation...™

You know with a cool name like that you really need a cool avatar. I'm big on cool avatars. Here try this one.

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/4133c0b0z90434a79/4e53/__sr_/2521.jpg?phLJRMDBsd0IC.N2

[Dudeskey]

They taste good.. or so i heard.

:saywhat:
http://www.thehumorsource.com/pictures/784.jpg

[Dudeskey]

You know with a cool name like that you really need a cool avatar. I'm big on cool avatars. Here try this one.

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/4133c0b0z90434a79/4e53/__sr_/2521.jpg?phLJRMDBsd0IC.N2

Thats okay, I like my psychadelic Cheech avatar just fine...™

[westcliffe]

Urinal Cakes?? Hell, Chief fans use those for breath mints!!

[sledgehammer]

So, would you call Bill Parcells "not a great coach?" He only won a SB with the Giants, went and lost with the Pats and got only as far as the AFC title game with the Jets. Would you rather have a guy like Chris Palmer or Bill Parcells? Shanny is a great coach, and the main reason that the Broncos have had only one losing season since Elway and Davis have been gone. Do you honestly think another coach out there could have done better than that with what Shanny had? This whole thread needs to be closed until after the season, then we can debate all summer long, meanwhile Shanny will still be the coach no matter what we think.

You obviously can't read too well.

I was talking about Shanahan not being able to win a playoff game or the AFC West without Elway.Teams coached by Parcells have won a playoff game or the division every other year. Just keep telling yourself how great Shanahan is while the Broncos go into the tank.

[sledgehammer]

Shanahan went to the playoffs with JAKE PLUMMER!! TWICE!!

Arizona went to the playoffs with Plummer and they won.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Shanahan went to the playoffs with JAKE PLUMMER!! TWICE!!

There's no way Plummer is as bad as QCar.

[bendog]

Sometimes one thread just defines a whole board. LOL

[Tombstone RJ]

Shanahan went to the playoffs with JAKE PLUMMER!! TWICE!!

And with Frerrotte, once (Griese was injured too much).

[bendog]

And with Frerrotte, once (Griese was injured too much).
Freerot pulls it down and runs a few times going into that wind, Den had a shot in that one. Don't think we had/have any shot with Indy on the road.

[Popps]

Every time NFL coaches and players are polled, Shanahan ends up near the top. The guy's peers consider him to be one of the best.

Who are you going to believe, the NFL's own... or some inbred, toothless Chefs fan hanging out on a Broncos board all day?

[bendog]

unfortunately, aren't some of the posters on this thread denver fans?

[Popps]

unfortunately, aren't some of the posters on this thread denver fans?

Dip****s come in all forms.

[DB-Freak]

By Shanny bashers, Shanny is usually criticized for lack of adjustments and playcalling.

Which is funny, because it is basically one aspect of the game that we fans barely know what we are talking about and have no real knowledge in.

"Well Shanny can't play call or he abandoned the run to fast or make any adjustment."

Well jackass, when the plays can't be executed properly, it must look like he isnt making any adjustments.

[DivineLegion]

Who would we replace him with?

[Atlas]

Every time NFL coaches and players are polled, Shanahan ends up near the top. The guy's peers consider him to be one of the best.

Who are you going to believe, the NFL's own... or some inbred, toothless Chefs fan hanging out on a Broncos board all day?


He has a full mouth of teeth... when he remembers to put them in that is.

[bendog]

By Shanny bashers, Shanny is usually criticized for lack of adjustments and playcalling.

Which is funny, because it is basically one aspect of the game that we fans barely know what we are talking about and have no real knowledge in.

"Well Shanny can't play call or he abandoned the run to fast or make any adjustment."

Well jackass, when the plays can't be executed properly, it must look like he isnt making any adjustments.

Actually adjustments are his forte, but doesn't kubes generally call the plays and generally do the scripting, though I'm sure shanny reviews the script before hand?

[Ratboy]

By Shanny bashers, Shanny is usually criticized for lack of adjustments and playcalling.

Which is funny, because it is basically one aspect of the game that we fans barely know what we are talking about and have no real knowledge in.

"Well Shanny can't play call or he abandoned the run to fast or make any adjustment."

Well jackass, when the plays can't be executed properly, it must look like he isnt making any adjustments.

I'm criticizing Shanahan on alot of things. His moves have been questionable in the past and makes jaws drop. We were the laughing stock of the NFL when we drafted Clarett. I was man enough to stick behind him and clarett. He than cuts him and says he was a bust. You don't draft a player you might think is a bust in the third round.

[Atlas]

I'm criticizing Shanahan on alot of things. His moves have been questionable in the past and makes jaws drop. We were the laughing stock of the NFL when we drafted Clarett. I was man enough to stick behind him and clarett. He than cuts him and says he was a bust. You don't draft a player you might think is a bust in the third round.

We were also the laughing stock of the league when we brought in the Browncos and we were the laughing stock of the league when we drafted 3CBs in the draft. How did those moves turn out??

Admit it you have a beef against Shanny and no matter what he does you won't be satisfied.

[DivineLegion]

Ratboy...name me one coach who could replace Shanny and do a better job who we could easily lure in next offseason if we do fire him...

[Atlas]

Ratboy...name me one coach who could replace Shanny and do a better job who we could easily lure in next offseason if we do fire him...

Steve Spurrier
Lou Holtz
Gary Barnnet

LOL LOL LOL

[DivineLegion]

Steve Spurrier
Lou Holtz
Gary Barnnet

LOL LOL LOL


Your joking right Spurrier???

[Atlas]

Ratboy...name me one coach who could replace Shanny and do a better job who we could easily lure in next offseason if we do fire him...

What's Wannstadt doing now???

[DivineLegion]

What's Wannstadt doing now???

Losing to exRaider coachs... :juggle:

[Atlas]

Ratboy...name me one coach who could replace Shanny and do a better job who we could easily lure in next offseason if we do fire him...

We should get Vince Lombardi or George Halas.

They are real good.

[bendog]

Ditka. He won a playoff game without the Duke (but he did have Sweetness)

Shula. He looks rested up.

R66v6s. He's unemployed.

Are either Bum or Stram alive?

[Atlas]

Ditka. He won a playoff game without the Duke (but he did have Sweetness)

Shula. He looks rested up.

R66v6s. He's unemployed.

Are either Bum or Stram alive?


Oh yeah they are all good.

What about Tom Flores or John Madden??

Don Coreall(sp)

[DivineLegion]

We could always just ask Elway to come in and coach...right???

[bendog]

I was watching some nfl film on the stairmaster at lunch, and don coryeall was on, but it was from 2000, and I think he's passed on now. (-:

[Atlas]

We could always just ask Elway to come in and coach...right???

Shanny is such a bad coach and Denver sucks so much as a team maybe Bowlen should fire Shanny and then just pick a different fan every week to be coach for a day.

Can you imagine all the double reverse option passes we would see!! LOL

[Ratboy]

Ratboy...name me one coach who could replace Shanny and do a better job who we could easily lure in next offseason if we do fire him...

You can't say anyone will come in right away and do better. A new coach is something you can build on.

[DivineLegion]

Shanny is such a bad coach and Denver sucks so much as a team maybe Bowlen should fire Shanny and then just pick a different fan every week to be coach for a day.

Can you imagine all the double reverse option passes we would see!! LOL

We would be a tough team to game plan for...diffrent coach each week...

[Arkie]

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[2KBack]

I do not in any way think that Shanny should be fired, but since I don't make the decisions I was thinking about replacements. At what point do you think Pete Carroll deserves another shot in the pros?

[Atlas]

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Jeremy Lesure is still on the roster so is Chris Young, Darius Johnson was a good nickleback for Denver and he left after his contract was up. Deltha Oneil and Tory James are both starting and playing well in Cinncinati.

The only bust on that was Middlebrooks and even he played 4 years in Denvere adding vcaluable nickleback work last year.

Deltha trade brought us DJ Williams
Middlebrooks trade brought us Endenberger(sp)
Chris Watson trade brought Denver a 4th round pick.
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Sometimes if you look a little deeper you actually will learn something.

[Ratboy]

Jeremy Lesure is still on the roster.

He is? Did we sign him to the PS?

[Taco John]

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I love Shanny... But that's freaking funny!

[anthonypacino]

I do not in any way think that Shanny should be fired, but since I don't make the decisions I was thinking about replacements. At what point do you think Pete Carroll deserves another shot in the pros?
Pete was a great coordinator, but a lousy NFL head coach, I really think he has found his niche in college, he should stay right where he is. Just like Spurrier should have, or Butch Davis. You gotta give Saban the chance to see if he can make the transformation, if not he will head back to the NCAA.

[Cito Pelon]

For all you Shanny butt-kissers out there, you better keep in mind there hasn't been any Championship banners added to Mile High since 1998. If the banners are even raised anymore at Mile High.

Having said that, I'm pleased with how Shanny has adjusted his methods to attack the season. He's made some adjustments, so far so good. Looking for some progress this year, looking for some over-achievement. If any of you remember me from the old DPO days, I said in 2002 (was it 2002???), when he got the 6 year extension, I was surprised Bowlen gave him that long of a leash. Highest paid coach in the League, and he has 3 years left on that contract. Pressure, baby. Let's see some over-achievement. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers.

[Beantown Bronco]

Shanny's record without Elway is still better than Belicheck's record without Brady. There are simply no "genius" coaches out there with magic potion that can get us to the SB over Shanny.

As much as we are getting frustrated not winning since '98, just think, 28 other teams are right there with us......it's not like we're the only ones.

As far as I can tell, there is no other coach that could be available in the offseason that I would want more than Shanny.

[TheDave]

Wonder what the fireshanahan.com guy thinks now?

[Atlas]

Wonder what the fireshanahan.com guy thinks now?


Well, the fire Shanny thread came after a victory against the Chuggers so why wouldn't they start one now. Anyone that wants Shanny gone doesn't know football.

[Ratboy]

We played awesome against the chiefs, i was pretty surprised actually.

Can;t take anything away from anyone.

I'm wondering about 2 things

Are the Chiefs for real and did we beat a good team, or did we expose a horrible team?

[Jesterhole]

We are for real.

[Atlas]

We played awesome against the chiefs, i was pretty surprised actually.

Can;t take anything away from anyone.

I'm wondering about 2 things

Are the Chiefs for real and did we beat a good team, or did we expose a horrible team?

All I know is that Shanny should be Sh_tcanned immediately.

[DB-Freak]

Yea let's beat Jax and string up a couple of wins before we say we are real.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Are the Chiefs for real and did we beat a good team, or did we expose a horrible team?

I don't really think there was any exposing going on. Obviously we still have trouble with your zone blocking scheme.

The Chiefs are playing without three of their best players, too.

The Chiefs pretty much ALWAYS get their ass kicked in Denver. It's tradition. I'm not reading much into this game and I hope no one here is, either.

[Clockwork Orange]

I don't really think there was any exposing going on. Obviously we still have trouble with your zone blocking scheme.

The Chiefs are playing without three of their best players, too.

The Chiefs pretty much ALWAYS get their ass kicked in Denver. It's tradition. I'm not reading much into this game and I hope no one here is, either.

How predictable.

The Broncos get whooped by Miami and you're howling like a jackal for a week about their certain demise. They turn around and pummel the Chefs for all the world to see on Monday Night Football and we shouldn't read too much into it.

Riiiiight. ::)

Spin it any way you want, you got your collective dicks knocked in tonight. After a week of your yipping about how Gunther was going to destroy them, that Diaper Boy would assault them as if they were his girlfriend, that our "pathetic" running game had no chance, you got a hot plate of crow stuffed down your gullet tonight. Bon apetit.