So here we go....first big game against KC

[Garcia Bronco]

Do we leave 2-1....or do we leave 2 games back?

[RhymesayersDU]

We leave 2-1.

[Popps]

Monday nighter... battle for leverage in the division... at home.... doesn't get much better.

[SoCalBronco]

Hopefully 2-1, but we'll see. Undoubtedly though, the Chiefs have looked better than us so far this season.

[FADERPROOF]

System of a Down just had to be playing in Cleveland next Monday...

[Garcia Bronco]

I think we can beat them after what I saw tonight.

[Breck Bronc]

Depends on which defense shows up, the mediocre first half defense or the lights out second half defense.

And the offense needs to start scoring some 1st half touchdowns. The Chiefs are going to score points no matter what. We need a RB and TE to step up, along with the offensive line.

[RhymesayersDU]

System of a Down just had to be playing in Cleveland next Monday...
Everybody's going to the party and gunna have a real good time!

..Or something to that effect.

[Garcia Bronco]

Depends on which defense shows up, the mediocre first half defense or the lights out second half defense.

And the offense needs to start scoring some 1st half touchdowns. The Chiefs are going to score points no matter what. We need a RB and TE to step up, along with the offensive line.



They need to score one TD every quarter

[REB]

2-1 No doubt!

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[FADERPROOF]

Everybody's going to the party and gunna have a real good time!

..Or something to that effect.

Close enough, but I'm going to that instead of watching the game, so I'll have to tape this one and watch it on Tuesday(if the Broncos win, if not then **** that ****.)

[Popps]

Here's what I liked about the game tonight...

-Oakland was actually able to pressure Green more often than you'll usually see. Hopefully we can break down the game and figure out how.

-The Chefs defense still looks like its got plenty of issues. We should be able to exploit some of them.

Here's what I didn't like...

K.C. had a lot of success exploiting _aklan_'s aggressive defensive play-calling with dumps and screens. That's going to drive us nuts next week if we have to blitz, and it leaves the short stuff open all day for Green to pick us apart.
The key? Pressure with the front four, as usual. Can we do that???

[Denver Crush]

System of a Down just had to be playing in Cleveland next Monday...

Going to see them on OCT 2nd at Pepsi Center. Should be a great show.

[Garcia Bronco]

Here's what I liked about the game tonight...

-Oakland was actually able to pressure Green more often than you'll usually see. Hopefully we can break down the game and figure out how.

-The Chefs defense still looks like its got plenty of issues. We should be able to exploit some of them.

Here's what I didn't like...

K.C. had a lot of success exploiting _aklan_'s aggressive defensive play-calling with dumps and screens. That's going to drive us nuts next week if we have to blitz, and it leaves the short stuff open all day for Green to pick us apart.
The key? Pressure with the front four, as usual. Can we do that???


that's a good o-line....but if Roaf is out....we might be good

[SoCalBronco]

Roaf will prolly be back next week. That wont help. If we play okay, we'll lose by 6. We have to have a superior effort because they are a better ballclub. Not to happy about it being a night game given our recent history but the crowd really has to help us out this week. Its absolutely essential that we win this game.

[Garcia Bronco]

Roaf will prolly be back next week. That wont help. If we play okay, we'll lose by 6. We have to have a superior effort because they are a better ballclub. Not to happy about it being a night game given our recent history but the crowd really has to help us out this week. Its absolutely essential that we win this game.



They boys absolutely need to smack them in the mouth....then grind it out with them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I don't want to shoot my mouth off too soon.

I am still in shock right now.

I will say this right now: no one on your team will score five touchdowns in one game against us this year.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't want to shoot my mouth off too soon.

I am still in shock right now.

I will say this right now: no one on your team will score five touchdowns in one game against us this year.



4 will do

[Atlas]

Chef on a stick anyone???

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[broncos love]

I dont wont to say it, but it seems this is a must win game again this week if we want to win the division this year. I was looking at the chiefs schedule and alot of their big games our at arrowwhead and you know the chiefs hard to beat there.

[Kaylore]

The Chiefs have the advantage. They just looked better overall. I like that its a home game, but its a nationaly broadcast game, so we usually choke. It'd be nice of the Broncos didn't ebarrass themselves on national TV for once. I'll be there in person, so I hope that I can do my part to make some noise and play 12th man. :pray:

[SoCalBronco]

I don't want to shoot my mouth off too soon.

I am still in shock right now.

I will say this right now: no one on your team will score five touchdowns in one game against us this year.

Obviously.

We will have to really play well to win. I think we can move the ball on that defense despite our mistakes. But we arent going to score in the 30s or anything like that. I think we will need about 28 to win and that will be hard to come by. We have to play very well. I think the boys will play really hard, we will see if its enough.

[Kaylore]

I don't want to shoot my mouth off too soon.

I am still in shock right now.

I will say this right now: no one on your team will score five touchdowns in one game against us this year.
Well, I'm already feeling a little better...:)

[GreatBronco16]

Right now I just don't see Denver beating KC this year. Granted KC has players dropping like flies out there, but their offense is still doing great. Denvers offense however, well, if they play the way they have been playing, the defense will not be able to keep it close enough. Right now, I see KC leaving Denver with a 13 point victory.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys will have to run the ball better than you did today to win. I'd say that's a big concern for you right now.

We SHOULD have Roaf back.

[broncos love]

Right now I just don't see Denver beating KC this year. Granted KC has players dropping like flies out there, but their offense is still doing great. Denvers offense however, well, if they play the way they have been playing, the defense will not be able to keep it close enough. Right now, I see KC leaving Denver with a 13 point victory.


Your crazy .... If Oakland can hang with the kc then the broncos will most defintely beat their asses. Hell we got clobbered last time we played the chiefs and if you dont think the broncos forgot about that you are a moron. To me I see the same ole sorry ass chiefs that can win some regular season games but choke when it really counts. Broncos will win you got my word

[Cito Pelon]

Depends on which defense shows up, the mediocre first half defense or the lights out second half defense.

And the offense needs to start scoring some 1st half touchdowns. The Chiefs are going to score points no matter what. We need a RB and TE to step up, along with the offensive line.

It's all about attack, attack, attack. No reason to get cute when you can attack. And the Broncs can attack. You attack with glee, if you can. And the Broncs can. It isn't real complicated.

[Popps]

"your a moron"

Gotta love the internet.

[ZachKC]

Ha.

[GreatBronco16]

Your crazy .... If Oakland can hang with the kc then the broncos will most defintely beat their asses. Hell we got clobbered last time we played the chiefs and if you dont think the broncos forgot about that your a moron. To me I see the same ole sorry ass chiefs that can win some regular season games but choke when it really counts. Broncos will win you got my word


What the fúck is your deal with the name calling? I gave out my opinion on how I see the game going. Oaklands offense has been far more productive then Denvers offense, and you think Denver can hang with them? This isn't last year, and Denvers offense hasn't done jack to show that they can hang with anyone. I want Denver to win more than anything, but they haven't shown me squat that they will be able to do it. KCs defense is looking alot better and is doing a very good job stopping the run. Add that to the fact that Denver is having a hard time running the ball, and that is a recipe for desaster for the Broncs.

BTW, I didn't see them choking against the Raiders tonight, and by all means it counts. Now if all you have is more name calling, then I'm done with you.

[SoCalBronco]

We are going to put ourselves behind the 8-ball if we start MA again. He just isnt effective. Nothing has changed. If you remember back before the 2001 season he had an awesome camp as well. I remember reading about that in CNNSI among other places. It just doesnt carry over. It has to be either Bell or Dayne or a combination. MA isnt going to do anything on the ground. MA can come in on obvious passing downs to help block.

[rbackfactory80]

Obviously.

We will have to really play well to win. I think we can move the ball on that defense despite our mistakes. But we arent going to score in the 30s or anything like that. I think we will need about 28 to win and that will be hard to come by. We have to play very well. I think the boys will play really hard, we will see if its enough.

You guys are all wrong, the cheifs are not that good. It will be a dog fight but I can easily see us winning the game.

[GreatBronco16]

You guys are all wrong, the cheifs are not that good. It will be a dog fight but I can easily see us winning the game.


The same way we 'easily' beat the Chargers???

Come on, Denver isn't gonna just walk all over the Chiefs on Monday. It just isn't gonna happen.

[broncos love]

What the fúck is your deal with the name calling? I gave out my opinion on how I see the game going. Oaklands offense has been far more productive then Denvers offense, and you think Denver can hang with them? This isn't last year, and Denvers offense hasn't done jack to show that they can hang with anyone. I want Denver to win more than anything, but they haven't shown me squat that they will be able to do it. KCs defense is looking alot better and is doing a very good job stopping the run. Add that to the fact that Denver is having a hard time running the ball, and that is a recipe for desaster for the Broncs.

BTW, I didn't see them choking against the Raiders tonight, and by all means it counts. Now if all you have is more name calling, then I'm done with you.


Im talking about the playoffs for one thing and maybe its just me or I could never say denver was gone to get beat in a game. Oh wait I always got my orange glasses on and not gone to change because I can't. My bad for the name calling.

[rbackfactory80]

The same way we 'easily' beat the Chargers???

Come on, Denver isn't gonna just walk all over the Chiefs on Monday. It just isn't gonna happen.

dude the chiefs are over rated. I said a close game. You sound like you work for espn.

[SoCalBronco]

You guys are all wrong, the cheifs are not that good. It will be a dog fight but I can easily see us winning the game.

Not that good? Us easily winning the game? Sorry I cant see us easily winning ANY game, much less beating the Chiefs easily.

We saw how good Miami was today. The Jets beat them by what 10 and the Chiefs raped them. They also played in a hostile environment in Oakland and did a fairly decent job against their offense. Right now, I dont have to hesitate at all to say that the Chiefs have a better football team than us. However, we are at home this week, and we are still getting better as a football team. For half the game, we showed the type of fire and intensity on defense to match the very high talent level we have on that side of the ball and you saw the results. We shut down a good offense. We will have to have alot more of that on Monday Night to beat a somewhat superior Chiefs team. And we will have to keep growing as a team and playing better. The staff corrected some of the mistakes of the Miami game but there are still plenty of mistakes we made and some of them are not correctable.

[rbackfactory80]

Not that good? Us easily winning the game? Sorry I cant see us easily winning ANY game, much less beating the Chiefs easily.

We saw how good Miami was today. The Jets beat them by what 10 and the Chiefs raped them. They also played in a hostile environment in Oakland and did a fairly decent job against their offense. Right now, I dont have to hesitate at all to say that the Chiefs have a better football team than us. However, we are at home this week, and we are still getting better as a football team. For half the game, we showed the type of fire and intensity on defense to match the very high talent level we have on that side of the ball and you saw the results. We shut down a good offense. We will have to have alot more of that on Monday Night to beat a somewhat superior Chiefs team. And we will have to keep growing as a team and playing better. The staff corrected some of the mistakes of the Miami game but there are still plenty of mistakes we made and some of them are not correctable.
You obviously misunderstood me. When I said I can easily see us win the game that does not mean we are easily going to win it. By calling it a dogfight that basically means it will be a battle.

[GreatBronco16]

dude the chiefs are over rated. I said a close game. You sound like you work for espn.


Wait, I'm being objective and you say I sound like I work for ESPN? That is an oxymoron.

I could sit here and say that Denver will role KC next Monday night, but then I'd just be another idiot that doesn't know any better.

[Kaylore]

You guys are all wrong, the cheifs are not that good. It will be a dog fight but I can easily see us winning the game.
It's going to be very tough. They are a complete team this year and we look more like a team finding their identity. My one hope is that maybe this was the game where our Defense discovered who they are. If the D can play close to the way they did today, and Darrent Williams continues to impress on special teams, we can give our offense some chances. That is quite a large number of "ifs".

The scarriest thing for me is that the game's on national TV. Given the way that we play in those kinds of games, I'm just hoping that we can keep up. I think we have a chance to win, but it looks like advantage Chiefs right now. One thing is for certain: I'm going to lose my voice doing my part Monday night. :militia:

[GreatBronco16]

I said a close game.


No, you said, 'Easily beat' KC. I've never seen a team easily beat a team in a close game. Easily beating someone is winning by more than 14 points and never being behind in the game.

[RedDread]

Overrated? ESPN had us at 13 to start the season, nobody picked us to do anything more than win the division. All the media last week said the Jets choked that game away, barely a mention of the team that actually WON the game.

Last year we were overrated, this year we were lost in the fray before the season began.

[broncos love]

Wait, I'm being objective and you say I sound like I work for ESPN? That is an oxymoron.

I could sit here and say that Denver will role KC next Monday night, but then I'd just be another idiot that doesn't know any better.

So you predict KC is gone to whip the broncos ass

[RedDread]

This game will not be a blowout by either team. I expect something similar to what just happened between Oakland and KC...maybe even a bit less scoring since Denver's D > Oakland's D.

[rbackfactory80]

You guys think the winning a game at oakland is like winning in PHilly or Ne. Come on, the raiders are still the raiders until they prove otherwise. I was impressed at how well they played the run for a while there.Everybody and there brother has walked in there and came up with a win. I do not think we are elite but neither are the chiefs. Home field advantage makes this an automatic close game and if we play well we easily have a chance meaning we will definitely be in it. Thats all I am saying

[GreatBronco16]

So you predict KC is gone to whip the broncos ass


Nope. I'm thinking KC will win by 13. Our offense just won't be able to keep up.

[24champ]

First of all tonight the referees handed the game to the cheifs. Their defense isnt that great, and their O-line sucks without Willie Roaf. His backup was huffing and puffing after 3 or 4 plays which led to back to back holding calls. Kansas City isnt going to come into our house and beat us, cant believe some bronco fans are actually saying otherwise. KC didnt impress me tonight.

[rbackfactory80]

No, you said, 'Easily beat' KC. I've never seen a team easily beat a team in a close game. Easily beating someone is winning by more than 14 points and never being behind in the game.

learn how to read bro. saying I can easily see a win does not mean we will easily win. I can easily see, i can easily see, i can easily see, not easily win, not easily win, not easily win.

[RedDread]

First of all tonight the referees handed the game to the cheifs. Their defense isnt that great, and their O-line sucks without Willie Roaf. His backup was huffing and puffing after 3 or 4 plays which led to back to back holding calls. Kansas City isnt going to come into our house and beat us, cant believe some bronco fans are actually saying otherwise. KC didnt impress me tonight.

A division road win is always impressive.

[ZachKC]

No, you said, 'Easily beat' KC. I've never seen a team easily beat a team in a close game. Easily beating someone is winning by more than 14 points and never being behind in the game.
:loopy:

[24champ]

A division road win is always impressive.

Not when the refs handed it to them..... :loopy:

[ZachKC]

So you predict KC is gone to whip the broncos ass
You can't read can you.

[rbackfactory80]

the raiders should have won the game easily. lolololol

[24champ]

the raiders should have won the game easily. lolololol

Yeah the cheifs had too many men on the field the whole game, they wore pinstripes!

[broncos love]

Nope. I'm thinking KC will win by 13. Our offense just won't be able to keep up.

I agree the chiefs look good this year and alot like a couple years ago, but I just think the broncos will come out very hard since they got killed last december in kc. Now if oakland would have won then I would be a little scared about this game because denver would relax a little bit since there in a tie for first place in the afc west. IMO the chiefs would come out playing well if they lost to the radiers and dont wont to lose to another divison rival.


Broncos 31
Chiefs 21

[SoDak Bronco]

Keys to beating KC.

Run the ball, control the clock, make it 2nd and 3rd and short, stop the run. 2 turnovers, and punt the ball out of bounds.

We win, that simple. :kiddingme

[rbackfactory80]

Funny thing is we have had virtually no offense the first two games. I predict a huge game offensively for us. Don't underestimate the defenses we just played.

[RedDread]

Since they ended up with a FG out of that drive. The final would have been 21-23 KC had they gotten the TD. If you wanna argue that the game would have turned out differently, you could. However even with that TD the Raiders still wouldn't have taken the lead.

The Raiders collapse was due to (actual) penalties, 2 key fumbles, and dropped passes. The refs didn't hand KC this game, the Raiders did.

[ZachKC]

I agree the chiefs look good this year and alot like a couple years ago, but I just think the broncos will come out very hard since they got killed last december in kc. Now if oakland would have won then I would be a little scared about this game because denver would relax a little bit since there in a tie for first place in the afc west. IMO the chiefs would come out playing well if they lost to the radiers and dont wont to lose to another divison rival.


Broncos 31
Chiefs 21
You realize you are talking about professionals and not an 8th grade football team. If you think Kansas City brings it that much more from a loss than coming in the way they are then you are nuts man. This is a big game and the Chiefs have a lot to gain from a big win.

The idea of the Broncos "relaxing" if the Chiefs had lost to Oakland is just as ludicris.

[rbackfactory80]

If we were playing at arrowhead I would probably be singing a different tune.

[Cito Pelon]

Confidence.

[GreatBronco16]

learn how to read bro. saying I can easily see a win does not mean we will easily win. I can easily see, i can easily see, i can easily see, not easily win, not easily win, not easily win.


So by you saying you can easily see a win really means you can easily see Denver winning by 6 or less points? Yeah, that is what you meant.

Nice job at the back peddling.

[ZachKC]

Funny thing is we have had virtually no offense the first two games. I predict a huge game offensively for us. Don't underestimate the defenses we just played.
Are you talking about the Miami team the Jets dominated? The JETS?

Who has played the Jets?

[24champ]

Funny thing is we have had virtually no offense the first two games. I predict a huge game offensively for us. Don't underestimate the defenses we just played.

Bingo! you hit the nail on the head. Cheifs defense isnt great as everyone is making it out to be, Jordan ran all over them and couldve owned them if he could learn to catch the ball.

[rbackfactory80]

You realize you are talking about professionals and not an 8th grade football team. If you think Kansas City brings it that much more from a loss than coming in the way they are then you are nuts man. This is a big game and the Chiefs have a lot to gain from a big win.

The idea of the Broncos "relaxing" if the Chiefs had lost to Oakland is just as ludicris.

Your right it was a huge game but Monday night will be enormous.

[RedDread]

Jordan ran all over them for 59 yards, he was a beast!!!!!!

[24champ]

Are you talking about the Miami team the Jets dominated? The JETS?

Who has played the Jets?

You mean the game the jets handed to you? :D

[GreatBronco16]

I agree the chiefs look good this year and alot like a couple years ago, but I just think the broncos will come out very hard since they got killed last december in kc. Now if oakland would have won then I would be a little scared about this game because denver would relax a little bit since there in a tie for first place in the afc west. IMO the chiefs would come out playing well if they lost to the radiers and dont wont to lose to another divison rival.


Broncos 31
Chiefs 21


31 points??? Let me guess, our defense is gonna score 21 points themselves right? I mean, our offense hasn't shown that it can score more than 14 by themselves this year so far.

[rbackfactory80]

Are you talking about the Miami team the Jets dominated? The JETS?

Who has played the Jets?

Nfl is week to week. I am talking about a tough Miami defense against us week one.

[ZachKC]

You mean the game the jets handed to you? :D
Based on what?

[ZachKC]

Nfl is week to week. I am talking about a tough Miami defense against us week one.
Hilarious! Hilarious!

[SoCalBronco]

Id be surprised if we put 31 points on the board. I can say if we score 31 we will win though. We'll prolly be around the early to mid 20s.

[GreatBronco16]

You want know one of the problems on the Denver offense?

J. Putzier 1 16 16.0 0 16

Other than the none existant running game, our TEs are not getting thrown to, which is one of two things. They are not getting open, or Plummer can't take his eyes off his primary receiver.

[DBroncos4life]

Based on what?



Well the 6 fumbles didn't help them much but what can you do. You guys did what you needed to win. I am happy that it was you that first brought up the Jets Phins game. Good job on that Hilarious! NFL is week to week.

[rbackfactory80]

So by you saying you can easily see a win really means you can easily see Denver winning by 6 or less points? Yeah, that is what you meant.

Nice job at the back peddling.

interpret it as you do but hooked on Phonics might be for u. Read my post what is a dog fight? that is what I said the game will be.

[ZachKC]

Well the 6 fumbles didn't help them much but what can you do. You guys did what you needed to win. I am happy that it was you that first brought up the Jets Phins game. Good job on that Hilarious! NFL is week to week.
How many of those were forced? Does good defense when you force the ball out of someone's hands still count as "being handed the game"

[RedDread]

IIRC There were 3 Forced and 3 unforced...2 shotgun exchanges and 1 center-QB exchange

[DBroncos4life]

How many of those were forced? Does good defense when you force the ball out of someone's hands still count as "being handed the game"


Did I say that? I said you did what you needed to do to win the game. I didn't watch the game but I did see a few bad snaps which has nothing to do with your D at all. Still KC took what the Jets gave them and there is nothing wrong with that. I do however think its hard for any team to win a game if they fumble 6 times and I don't think they did against the Phins today.

[24champ]

Based on what?

based on pennington handing the ball to your team.... :poke:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

based on pennington handing the ball to your team.... :poke:

Yes, let's throw out the two fumbles we actually caused. Those had no bearing on the game.

[ZachKC]

based on pennington handing the ball to your team.... :poke:
You mean all the times we hit him and FORCED the ball out of his hands?

I guess they gave us all those rushing yards as well...

Dream on...

[24champ]

Yes, let's throw out the two fumbles we actually caused. Those had no bearing on the game.

Either way your not going to win at Mile high. ;D

[GreatBronco16]

Yes, let's throw out the two fumbles we actually caused. Those had no bearing on the game.


Ok lets take 6 fumbles total, 2 forced by KCs Defense, and the other 4 caused by the Jets mistakes. Which is greater? 2 or 4? Take you time and use your PC calculator if needbe.

[RedDread]

Either way your not going to win at Mile high. ;D


Whether we win or lose you're still gonna be a homer. :P

[DBroncos4life]

You mean all the times we hit him and FORCED the ball out of his hands?

I guess they gave us all those rushing yards as well...

Dream on...



I think he was talking about the three UNFORCED from the center.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ok lets take 6 fumbles total, 2 forced by KCs Defense, and the other 4 caused by the Jets mistakes. Which is greater? 2 or 4? Take you time and use your PC calculator if needbe.

I'm not sure why it matters. We won by 20 freaking points.

And it was last week.

We're 2-0. Looking down on the rest of the WEST.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm not sure why it matters. We won by 20 freaking points.

And it was last week.

We're 2-0. Looking down on the rest of the WEST.



Well bob lets say instead of the turnovers they score tds Then whats the score? Also how many of your points came on those turnovers? Things like that matter some.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well bob lets say instead of the turnovers they score tds Then whats the score? Also how many of your points came on those turnovers? Things like that matter some.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. The Chiefs dropped passes and turned the ball over, missed a field goal, too. They were far from perfect this week or last week.

You should be worried about covering Randy Moss. Do you think your team can hold the Raiders to 17 points? _i_O_i_

[DBroncos4life]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. The Chiefs dropped passes and turned the ball over, missed a field goal, too. They were far from perfect this week or last week.

You should be worried about covering Randy Moss. Do you think your team can hold the Raiders to 17 points? _i_O_i_



Well we have a Champ so I think we will hold our own. Sure he will get his but in the end I think Champ comes out on top.

[24champ]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. The Chiefs dropped passes and turned the ball over, missed a field goal, too. They were far from perfect this week or last week.

You should be worried about covering Randy Moss. Do you think your team can hold the Raiders to 17 points? _i_O_i_

will the refs help us negate a touchdown? zowie!

[24champ]

Whether we win or lose you're still gonna be a homer. :P

It only seems that way, lots of people thought we would lose today and hotrod has the list of people, same thing will happen against the cheifs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well we have a Champ so I think we will hold our own. Sure he will get his but in the end I think Champ comes out on top.

I guess we'll see. If you give up more than 17, I'm going to be all over your asses.

[Atlas]

You guys are all wrong, the cheifs are not that good. It will be a dog fight but I can easily see us winning the game.

I don't understand what the Chefs did tonight that makes you guys think that Denver can't beat them?? Hell, they beat an average team on the road. Denver will win.

[24champ]

I don't understand what the Chefs did tonight that makes you guys think that Denver can't beat them?? Hell, they beat an average team on the road. Denver will win.

I was beginning to think i was by myself on this one. :boxing:

[DBroncos4life]

I guess we'll see. If you give up more than 17, I'm going to be all over your asses.



So if Moss has no catches and isn't a factor in the game that doesn't matter? I mean you said worry about stopping Moss in your other thread now we got to hold them to less then 14 points?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You are incredibly confident for a fan of a team that has an offense that has looked mostly pathetic this year.

If you run the ball against KC like you've run it in the past two games you will not win.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So if Moss has no catches and isn't a factor in the game that doesn't matter? I mean you said worry about stopping Moss in your other thread now we got to hold them to less then 14 points?

Moss can get 200 yards. I don't care.

Hold the Raiders to 17 points or less.

[DBroncos4life]

Moss can get 200 yards. I don't care.

Hold the Raiders to 17 points or less.



Well we held Gates, LT, and Brees to 17 points so I guess the D might be up for the task. We will have to see who is healthy at that point in time for us. It is 8 weeks away bob.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well we held Gates, LT, and Brees to 17 points so I guess the D might be up for the task. We will have to see who is healthy at that point in time for us. It is 8 weeks away bob.

That long, eh?

I think Oakland's offense is easily better than SD's.

In 8 weeks, Oakland's offense will be a well oiled machine.

[epicSocialism4tw]

System of a Down just had to be playing in Cleveland next Monday...

Tape the game, brotha...there will be more games, but how many times do you get to see a band at the peak of their existence from the first row? They do a heck of a live thing.


Dont miss a possible once in a lifetime opportunity. I missed Nirvana on the In Utero tour for some goofiness and never got the opportunity again.

[GreatBronco16]

Moss can get 200 yards. I don't care.

Hold the Raiders to 17 points or less.


Wait aren't we allowed to use two TDs over 17 for the excuse of the Ref didn't throw the flag? The Raiders actually put up 31 had the refs not been so damn picky.

But I know, would of, should of............the famous words of KC fans for the past 35 years.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Wait aren't we allowed to use two TDs over 17 for the excuse of the Ref didn't throw the flag? The Raiders actually put up 31 had the refs not been so damn picky.

But I know, would of, should of............the famous words of KC fans for the past 35 years.

You're full of ****. Blaming the refs?

Yes, the flag on Moss was questionable. So was the no-call on Randy's TD. He clearly shoved Sammy Knight in the back.

And there was BLATANT holding on Lamont's TD run that was called back.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Nfl is week to week. I am talking about a tough Miami defense against us week one.


You know, that's a great point.

The NFL is very odd right now. The Broncos were waxed by Miami. The media darling Vikings are 0-2 and were thrashed by the Bengals(ha-ha!). The Colts barely beat the Jags in a game where Manning had 122yds 0TD's and a pick. Culpepper just threw 5 ints in a game. Atlanta looked dominant against the Eagles and lost to Seattle. Chicago opened up a can of giganitc butt-stompin' on the media darling Lions. Carolina handled the Pats and beat them solidly. Miami looked like world-beaters against Denver and got beat by the sorry Jets. The "sexy" Raiders are 0-2. Tennessee just dominated Baltimore. The Brownies won at Lambeau. Tampa just beat the media darling Bills soundly.

You really cant get a handle on the league right now. It's pretty crazy. The real teams will start standing up in about 3-4 weeks.

[Bronco9798]

You know, that's a great point.

The NFL is very odd right now. The Broncos were waxed by Miami. The media darling Vikings are 0-2 and were thrashed by the Bengals(ha-ha!). The Colts barely beat the Jags in a game where Manning had 122yds 0TD's and a pick. Culpepper just threw 5 ints in a game. Atlanta looked dominant against the Eagles and lost to Seattle. Chicago opened up a can of giganitc butt-stompin' on the media darling Lions. Carolina handled the Pats and beat them solidly. Miami looked like world-beaters against Denver and got beat by the sorry Jets. The "sexy" Raiders are 0-2. Tennessee just dominated Baltimore. The Brownies won at Lambeau. Tampa just beat the media darling Bills soundly.

You really cant get a handle on the league right now. It's pretty crazy. The real teams will start standing up in about 3-4 weeks.

Free Agency and the Salary Cap has made the NFL a very competitive sport. It's all about "Now" in the NFL. You used to groom playes and let them sit their first couple of years. You don't have time to do that any more. It's all about reloading and filling the gaps from season to season. If you try to rebuild you get left behind and coaches get fired.

[Pezman]

Monday nighter... battle for leverage in the division... at home.... doesn't get much better.

Yup! And at last I'll be there in person to witness the fun! Orangemane vs Chefplanet week now commencing! Bring it on Chef fan!

Either way this one runs, we are going to see some big time fireworks next Monday

[footstepsfrom#27]

You know, that's a great point.

The NFL is very odd right now. The Broncos were waxed by Miami. The media darling Vikings are 0-2 and were thrashed by the Bengals(ha-ha!). The Colts barely beat the Jags in a game where Manning had 122yds 0TD's and a pick. Culpepper just threw 5 ints in a game. Atlanta looked dominant against the Eagles and lost to Seattle. Chicago opened up a can of giganitc butt-stompin' on the media darling Lions. Carolina handled the Pats and beat them solidly. Miami looked like world-beaters against Denver and got beat by the sorry Jets. The "sexy" Raiders are 0-2. Tennessee just dominated Baltimore. The Brownies won at Lambeau. Tampa just beat the media darling Bills soundly.

You really cant get a handle on the league right now. It's pretty crazy. The real teams will start standing up in about 3-4 weeks.
Right. Here's another good one: at the end of week 1 Carson Palmer, Trent Dilfer and Gus Frerotte ranked 3-4-5 in the NFL QB rankings and Miami was the NFL's total offense leader. Think that might change? :yep:

[Kaylore]

Parity works.

[Sarcastro]

Yes, let's throw out the two fumbles we actually caused. Those had no bearing on the game.

Three fumbles actually. Allen, Knight, and DJ each had a forced fumble.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Three fumbles actually. Allen, Knight, and DJ each had a forced fumble.

Ah yes. We suck! Uhh

[Sarcastro]

Ah yes. We suck! Uhh

Our defense blew in that game. We allowed 0 points and 120 yards in the first half. We also had three sacks, three FF, and an INT that Surtain returned for 53 yards :bash:

[Atlas]

That long, eh?

I think Oakland's offense is easily better than SD's.

In 8 weeks, Oakland's offense will be a well oiled machine.

I disagree. The Faide doesn't have a target that is as reliable as Gates and the Faides QB get's way too rattled too easily.

The Faiders are all glitze, they have some serious issues on offense. They still can't spread the ball around to the other two WRs. The have nobody getting those tough yards over the middle.

SD's offense is much more balanced.

[fontaine]

I disagree. The Faide doesn't have a target that is as reliable as Gates and the Faides QB get's way too rattled too easily.

The Faiders are all glitze, they have some serious issues on offense. They still can't spread the ball around to the other two WRs. The have nobody getting those tough yards over the middle.

SD's offense is much more balanced.

I will say that SD's offense resembles that of KC. They have similar skill players in Green/Brees, Gates/Gonzo, LT/Priest, McCardell/Kenninson.

Both offenses run through their RB/TE first and foremost, relient on the QB to be accurate and spread the ball around.

I do think Denver's defense will have the ability to contain KC, especially if Roaf sits out or isn't 100%, but whether they can actually do it for 4 quarters is another story.

The scary thing about KC's offense is that, you could play great D for 3 quarters, and that offense will still put up 21 points in a very short time span.

Defensively, KC has looked better the last two games but KC's defense usually looks good anyway when the offense is humming. Slow the offense down and KC's defense will have it's usual troubles against the pass. It's going to be very tough game to call but KC has the initial advantage right now given our inconsistencies on O, especially in the red zone.

[OrangeShadow]

Im encouraged that our D gave up only 3 second half points to SD. Its going to be a great game,im takin it off from work

[redrage]

Defensively, KC has looked better the last two games but KC's defense usually looks good anyway when the offense is humming. Slow the offense down and KC's defense will have it's usual troubles against the pass. It's going to be very tough game to call but KC has the initial advantage right now given our inconsistencies on O, especially in the red zone.

That's encouraging. I think most KC fans would agree that KC's offense has looked pretty average since the first quarter of the Jet game compared to what they usually do.

If true, I can't wait to see what KC's defense looks like once the offense gets it's legs underneath it.

[fontaine]

If true, I can't wait to see what KC's defense looks like once the offense gets it's legs underneath it.

Or until that D has to play without the benefit of being ahead by a score or three.

[fontaine]

I think this game is tailor made for Lelie. KC doesn't have much of a pass rush apart from it's blitz and Warfield is still suspended. Apart from Surtain, the rest of that secondary are flat footed dummies and Shanny will try to get Lelie matched up with Mcleon or Sapp.

We have to get that big play going again to Lelie. If Plummer can connect with him on a couple of long passes then it'll take off a lot of pressure on the rest of the team. They've gone very close the first two games but I think this is where they should hook up for long gains.

[Rascal]

Well one thing I don't want and that is Sam Brandon covering Gonzo. They had him covering Gates on several occasions (all his completions it seemed like) and I don't want him cover Gonzo.

[bendog]

You know, that's a great point.

The NFL is very odd right now. The Broncos were waxed by Miami. The media darling Vikings are 0-2 and were thrashed by the Bengals(ha-ha!). The Colts barely beat the Jags in a game where Manning had 122yds 0TD's and a pick. Culpepper just threw 5 ints in a game. Atlanta looked dominant against the Eagles and lost to Seattle. Chicago opened up a can of giganitc butt-stompin' on the media darling Lions. Carolina handled the Pats and beat them solidly. Miami looked like world-beaters against Denver and got beat by the sorry Jets. The "sexy" Raiders are 0-2. Tennessee just dominated Baltimore. The Brownies won at Lambeau. Tampa just beat the media darling Bills soundly.

You really cant get a handle on the league right now. It's pretty crazy. The real teams will start standing up in about 3-4 weeks.

Home team won all games but Hou, AZ, GB and Jokeland.

[Mediator12]

You're full of ****. Blaming the refs?

Yes, the flag on Moss was questionable. So was the no-call on Randy's TD. He clearly shoved Sammy Knight in the back.

And there was BLATANT holding on Lamont's TD run that was called back.

Except for two things. Neither DB was looking at the ball and impeded the Receivers Progress. That is an automatic PI against the DB. McCRYon should never have drawn that Flag for OPI. You CAN NOT face guard in the NFL, the DB must see the Ball when the contact is made. Neither Knight nor McCRYon had any Idea where the ball was.

The Holding penalty on Walker was righteous though. He Mugged Derrick Johnson for Sure.