RB Situation Two weeks in...

[Broncoman13]

So what gives? Is Bell the odd man out? Will he be the 3rd for the rest of the year now? Is Dayne the new man in town? Lots of questions surrounding the run game. What do you guys/gals think?

[RhymesayersDU]

We need to try starting Bell, IMO.

I like the speed, MA looked really bad today, injury or not.

[Atlas]

Bell was injured. I think the RB position is now officially up for grabs........... again

[Breck Bronc]

It's Dayne time. Bell must be in the doghouse. I was at the game today and saw Bell injured on a special teams play. Any report on that?

[dsmoot]

We need to try starting Bell, IMO.

I like the speed, MA looked really bad today, injury or not.

There is one thing for sure at Denver running back position. The one who deserves to start will.

[ludo21]

Dayne might get the nod, but then again, i dont see Shanny giving up on MA yet. Bell was hurt and i didnt even see him on ST later in the game, so him being in the doghouse isnt an issue, IMO.

[bombquixote]

i think dayne earned a shot today. he had MA's power but was faster and lighter on his feet. man, did MA look sssllloooooowww. i don't know if it was the injury or what, but i think it might be time to "go in another direction."

also, i'm eating some crow here. before the season started i defended mike anderson, comparing him to ahman green. i take it back. bring in the young'ns.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

We need to try starting Bell, IMO.

I like the speed, MA looked really bad today, injury or not.
You guys that are all bashing the best all-around back we have right now better get used to something, Dayne and Bell CAN"T block.
That is why MA is playing more than they are even though he's banged up.

[dumpy]

What the Broncos need to do is put the depth chart out at the begining of the season then whoever is 3rd on the chart should be the starter. That would save them 2 games from figuring it out.

[scttgrd]

I'd like to see them work Dayne into the gameplan and see how he does. Give him a chance to prove he belongs in the starting role over guys like Anderson or Bell and can hang onto the ball in the red zone or be a threat in in the passing game.

[bpc]

I think we'll have somebody by week 4 that we can count on. Dayne is my choice.

[Atlas]

You guys that are all bashing the best all-around back we have right now better get used to something, Dayne and Bell CAN"T block.
That is why MA is playing more than they are even though he's banged up.

No one is bashing MA. He didn't get a lot of yards today. He leaves and Dayne comes in and runs well. Anyway Anderson didn't get a lot of yards rushing but I saw him pick up all the blitzes and he was a good reciever today as well. There is more to being a RB than just rushing stats.

[TheReverend]

I think we'll have somebody by week 4 that we can count on. Dayne is my choice.

My choice is whoever is most successful. I thought itd be Tatum, but Ive been riding the Dayne train since he was signed.

[Denver Crush]

Dayne can block, he put a punishing block on some LB today and put him out of the game for a few plays. I just think the upside on RD is much more than MA.

[MajikMan7]

If it was my choice.....I say lets ride it out with Anderson and Bell until week five. Then hand the rock along with the starting job to the The Great Dayne.




......and that is why Don Majkowski is my hero

[bpc]

My choice is whoever is most successful. I thought itd be Tatum, but Ive been riding the Dayne train since he was signed.

I want to ride the scarlet train... :)

really though, i would like Tatum to step up but if he hasn't done it now... I just there is a mental deficiency with him and plays... the coaching staff doesn't trust him.

Dayne is a grizzled vet with more burst and upside then Mean Mike. Put him in. I think next week we'll really see who we can count on playing.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Dayne can block, he put a punishing block on some LB today and put him out of the game for a few plays. I just think the upside on RD is much more than MA.
Dayne has played in spurts his whole NFL career to date, totally lacks consistency.
I've watched him play for 5 years now and no, he can't block unless he suddenly learned how to do it this year.

[Popps]

We didn't run the ball enough today. Given, our defense put us in a throw-only hole at some points, but we really should have tried harder to establish the run early on.

Add me to the list of those who'd like to see more carries for Bell. His speed in the open field would really give us another dimension. Kind of like Watts.... those are two guys I think could really change our offense if they could get their heads on straight.

[TheReverend]

I want to ride the scarlet train... :)

really though, i would like Tatum to step up but if he hasn't done it now... I just there is a mental deficiency with him and plays... the coaching staff doesn't trust him.

Dayne is a grizzled vet with more burst and upside then Mean Mike. Put him in. I think next week we'll really see who we can count on playing.

Well the last time Tatum started a game he lit it up. Thats all I have to say.

[BroncoSoja]

i think dayne earned a shot today. he had MA's power but was faster and lighter on his feet. man, did MA look sssllloooooowww. i don't know if it was the injury or what, but i think it might be time to "go in another direction."




So let me get this straight MA has an extremly painfull injury (trust me I know) and Ron Dayne looks good on ONE DRIVE and your ready to give the nod to Ron and bail on Mike... Typical bronco fan, your probably one of those that was saying Q was the next Barry Sanders I bet... Im willing to bet money you were.

One more thing Wagoneers, watch the game agian closely and watch the huge holes that the Oline opened up for Dayne ON THE LAST DRIVE, then watch agian and see those holes not really there when Mike was in most of the time..If anything the Oline should get credit for digging in deep late in the game and controlling the line.. I could have ran in a wheel chair through some of holes on that drive.

Stop jumping wagons so quicly people, watch Mike have a good game next week and most of you same people be back on his Gonads.

[TheReverend]

So let me get this straight MA has an extremly painfull injury (trust me I know) and Ron Dayne looks good on ONE DRIVE and your ready to give the nod to Ron and bail on Mike... Typical bronco fan, your probably one of those that was saying Q was the next Barry Sanders I bet... Im willing to bet money you were.

One more thing Wagoneers, watch the game agian closely and watch the huge holes that the Oline opened up for Dayne ON THE LAST DRIVE, then watch agian and see those holes not really there when Mike was in most of the time..If anything the Oline should get credit for digging in deep late in the game and controlling the line.. I could have ran in a wheel chair through some of holes on that drive.

Stop jumping wagons so quicly people, watch Mike have a good game next week and most of you same people be back on his Gonads.

So what if he was one of the people saying Q was the next Barry Sanders? Loyalty is to the Broncos, not the depth chart. If someone is having success, then **** yes, put him in. Until MA moves the ball, I support Bell/Dayne.

[Atlas]

So let me get this straight MA has an extremly painfull injury (trust me I know) and Ron Dayne looks good on ONE DRIVE and your ready to give the nod to Ron and bail on Mike... Typical bronco fan, your probably one of those that was saying Q was the next Barry Sanders I bet... Im willing to bet money you were.

One more thing Wagoneers, watch the game agian closely and watch the huge holes that the Oline opened up for Dayne ON THE LAST DRIVE, then watch agian and see those holes not really there when Mike was in most of the time..If anything the Oline should get credit for digging in deep late in the game and controlling the line.. I could have ran in a wheel chair through some of holes on that drive.

Stop jumping wagons so quicly people, watch Mike have a good game next week and most of you same people be back on his Gonads.

Say what you want but Dayne earned himself some more carries today and Anderson will need to run better to hold onto his job. If that is bandwagon jumping than so be it.

[BroncoSoja]

So what if he was one of the people saying Q was the next Barry Sanders? Loyalty is to the Broncos, not the depth chart. If someone is having success, then **** yes, put him in. Until MA moves the ball, I support Bell/Dayne.


Bell/Dayne? lol what has either of them done.. Dayne has O N E good drive and Bell runs through a few gaping holes and gets knocked back for most of the game and you want to put them ahead of someone who has actually gotten multiple 100 yard games for us in the past..

Im going to say this one more time to you fat couch patatoes, Mike Anderson has a extremly Painfull injury right now it will get healed and he will be back to normal... Bell/Dayne have been playing there whole short careers as if they have had painfull injurys... Compare the numbers of the three then come holla at me.. I dont bail on hurt players unlike most of the so called FANS on this site...And I damn sure dont jump on Wagons of players that have O N E good drive...


Blah im done when mike gets healed and starts to act up you wagoneers will be all up on his once agian... And Ron Dayne will be the next Mike Jones. Who?

[ozomulsion]

So let me get this straight MA has an extremly painfull injury (trust me I know) and Ron Dayne looks good on ONE DRIVE and your ready to give the nod to Ron and bail on Mike... Typical bronco fan, your probably one of those that was saying Q was the next Barry Sanders I bet... Im willing to bet money you were.

One more thing Wagoneers, watch the game agian closely and watch the huge holes that the Oline opened up for Dayne ON THE LAST DRIVE, then watch agian and see those holes not really there when Mike was in most of the time..If anything the Oline should get credit for digging in deep late in the game and controlling the line.. I could have ran in a wheel chair through some of holes on that drive.

Stop jumping wagons so quicly people, watch Mike have a good game next week and most of you same people be back on his Gonads.

Sorry pal, redzone fumbles are unacceptable no matter how you word it. I was never on the MA rain BTW. Tatum will be our starter. The only reason Dayne got carries was because Bell was hurt.

[BroncoSoja]

Sorry pal, redzone fumbles are unacceptable no matter how you word it. I was never on the MA rain BTW. Tatum will be our starter. The only reason Dayne got carries was because Bell was hurt.


LMFAO trust me on this one.. Bell will never be the starter.. Watch the game agian pre Taco Bell injury and you will clearly see the RB who came in to sub Anderson early in the game was Dayne and Not Tater each and ever time... Tater is in the Dog house and for good reason.

[Popps]

What's Bell's injury status? Anyone heard?

[ozomulsion]

LMFAO trust me on this one.. Bell will never be the starter.. Watch the game agian pre Taco Bell injury and you will clearly see the RB who came in to sub Anderson early in the game was Dayne and Not Tater each and ever time... Tater is in the Dog house and for good reason.

LMFAO @ you. Yeah, I'm going to "trust somebody who makes a post bashing fellow bronco fans. Uhh If I were a "bandwagoner". Most likely wouldn't be saying Tatum will be our starter. Now would I? You know nothing about the kid, So no I'm not going to "trust you". Mike is over the hill and ran like it.

[TheReverend]

Bell/Dayne? lol what has either of them done.. Dayne has O N E good drive and Bell runs through a few gaping holes and gets knocked back for most of the game and you want to put them ahead of someone who has actually gotten multiple 100 yard games for us in the past..

Im going to say this one more time to you fat couch patatoes, Mike Anderson has a extremly Painfull injury right now it will get healed and he will be back to normal... Bell/Dayne have been playing there whole short careers as if they have had painfull injurys... Compare the numbers of the three then come holla at me.. I dont bail on hurt players unlike most of the so called FANS on this site...And I damn sure dont jump on Wagons of players that have O N E good drive...


Blah im done when mike gets healed and starts to act up you wagoneers will be all up on his once agian... And Ron Dayne will be the next Mike Jones. Who?

Like I said before, when was the last time MA posted one of those great games? When he was in his twenties. Guess what? Hes not anymore. He got switched to FB for a reason.

[24champ]

Im riding the Dayne Train!

[Broncoman13]

Bell/Dayne? lol what has either of them done.. Dayne has O N E good drive and Bell runs through a few gaping holes and gets knocked back for most of the game and you want to put them ahead of someone who has actually gotten multiple 100 yard games for us in the past..

Im going to say this one more time to you fat couch patatoes, Mike Anderson has a extremly Painfull injury right now it will get healed and he will be back to normal... Bell/Dayne have been playing there whole short careers as if they have had painfull injurys... Compare the numbers of the three then come holla at me.. I dont bail on hurt players unlike most of the so called FANS on this site...And I damn sure dont jump on Wagons of players that have O N E good drive...


Blah im done when mike gets healed and starts to act up you wagoneers will be all up on his once agian... And Ron Dayne will be the next Mike Jones. Who?

Dayne had a couple good drives. He did well with his opportunities which is more than you can say for just about everybody else on offense. MA will probably remain the starter but not b/c he's a better runner. He's the safer pick which is a tell tale that Shanny is going the conservative route. I like MA. I think he's a great personality and a good RB. He doesn't bring that homerun threat and he's always had problems putting the rock on the ground. With Bell you have somebody that can take it to the house anytime. He has that special speed that makes a difference. It won't be long before he gets the nod. With our redzone problems continuing on it's even more important to get the homerun threat on the field.

[GreatBronco16]

He got switched to FB for a reason.

He got switched to FB because of a guy named Clinton Portis, who I wish wasn't a money hungry pimp and was still in Denver right now. I love Champ, I wish they could have found a way to have both here.

[footstepsfrom#27]

All this high stakes drama debating who the next anointed RB star will be is pretty silly. It forgets a few things about our past. First, it's hardly unusual for the starters job to be settled during the year instead of training camp. Reuben Droughns didn't start untill the 5th game last year and Portis didn't establish himself as the starter untill game 5 in 2002. In 2001 Davis and Anderson basically split the job and along with Olandis Gary they still managed to chip in with over 1600 yards. In 2000 TD got hurt and the unheralded Anderson rips off 1500 on his way to ROY status. The same thing happened in 1999 with Gary stepping in for TD and going over 1100...

My point is that we have had a "settled" running back situation only once in the last 6 years, in 2003 when Portis had the job from day one. Somehow we've managed to lead the NFL in rushing through all this confusion. Some thoughts about this game:

First, MA gets an A just for having the guts to go out there with a flack jacket on knowing the Chargers will take shots at him. He looked great in preseason and untill he proves otherwise when healthy...he's the starter IMO. Second, Dayne looked good today but let's remember it came on fresh legs when the defense had tired ones. he took a step up though, and I'd trust him more now than I did a week ago. Finally, can we forget all the talk of Bell being a bust? Bell has not been on the field yet because he's faced some other pretty good competition and has some things to learn. TD started as a rookie because he had virtually no competition (Aaron Craver)...MA and Gary rolled up nice numbers only because Davis got hurt, and Portis was running 3rd string the first two weeks of his rookie year and got 9 carries.

They all turned out pretty good.

[wabbit]

I don't get the Anderson bashing.

He wasn't getting yards because the San Diego game plan clearly was designed to stop the run and force Plummer to win the game...on the theory that he couldn't.

The Chargers run blitzed mercilessly early, along with frequent 7-8 man fronts.

By the time Dayne got any appreciable carries, Denver was changing up the play calling effectively so the run blitz would've been too risky.

..and Anderson made a drive-saving catch in the third quarter that was every much as important as any catch in the game.

He'll get his yards, but, to his credit, Dayne did look good.

[KillerBronco#76]

..and Anderson made a drive-saving catch in the third quarter

Thank you i was waiting for someone to mention this does no one remember this play and how he set up our offenses only touchdown. Yes, dayne did a great job o the last drive, Most the credit should deffinatley go to the o-line on the last drive but dayne was running hard too. I dont care who starts for us, for all i care we could start going RBC as long as we keep gettin the W's at the end of the game. Not a flashy win but this is the type of game that will spark a team. It was won on guts and i think our defense found its personality and i sure as hell cant complain about it. Our offense finaly found its rythym at the end of the game wich is a good note to move on to the next game with. Baileys INT may vary well have sparked our team to go on a nice run now.

[Rock Chalk]

I'd like to see them work Dayne into the gameplan and see how he does. Give him a chance to prove he belongs in the starting role over guys like Anderson or Bell and can hang onto the ball in the red zone or be a threat in in the passing game.
Give him a chance? Why? He didnt prove **** in New York. He didnt prove **** in training camp and he didnt prove **** in preseason. So what exactly do you m ean give him a chance? He has had all the chances in the world and cant prove **** to anyone come game day.

[~Crash~]

All this high stakes drama debating who the next anointed RB star will be is pretty silly. It forgets a few things about our past. First, it's hardly unusual for the starters job to be settled during the year instead of training camp. Reuben Droughns didn't start untill the 5th game last year and Portis didn't establish himself as the starter untill game 5 in 2002. In 2001 Davis and Anderson basically split the job and along with Olandis Gary they still managed to chip in with over 1600 yards. In 2000 TD got hurt and the unheralded Anderson rips off 1500 on his way to ROY status. The same thing happened in 1999 with Gary stepping in for TD and going over 1100...

My point is that we have had a "settled" running back situation only once in the last 6 years, in 2003 when Portis had the job from day one. Somehow we've managed to lead the NFL in rushing through all this confusion. Some thoughts about this game:

First, MA gets an A just for having the guts to go out there with a flack jacket on knowing the Chargers will take shots at him. He looked great in preseason and untill he proves otherwise when healthy...he's the starter IMO. Second, Dayne looked good today but let's remember it came on fresh legs when the defense had tired ones. he took a step up though, and I'd trust him more now than I did a week ago. Finally, can we forget all the talk of Bell being a bust? Bell has not been on the field yet because he's faced some other pretty good competition and has some things to learn. TD started as a rookie because he had virtually no competition (Aaron Craver)...MA and Gary rolled up nice numbers only because Davis got hurt, and Portis was running 3rd string the first two weeks of his rookie year and got 9 carries.

They all turned out pretty good.

What a great post ! :thumbsup:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I don't know what the gameplan is, but I'm hoping it keeps Bell off the field. :nono:

[Atlas]

I don't get the Anderson bashing.

He wasn't getting yards because the San Diego game plan clearly was designed to stop the run and force Plummer to win the game...on the theory that he couldn't.

The Chargers run blitzed mercilessly early, along with frequent 7-8 man fronts.

By the time Dayne got any appreciable carries, Denver was changing up the play calling effectively so the run blitz would've been too risky.

..and Anderson made a drive-saving catch in the third quarter that was every much as important as any catch in the game.

He'll get his yards, but, to his credit, Dayne did look good.

If what you say is true than why was Dayne in the game instead of Anderson?? Obviously Shanny thought Denver needed a change at RB or Mike would have been in the game.

[meangene]

Dayne was clearly the #2 back yesterday before Bell got hurt. He was clearly more effective than Anderson who is clearly past his prime. Yes, he's a good soldier and team guy, etc. But, this is not about that. It's about an effective running game which have not had all season except for that ONE DRIVE. Dayne has earned more touches. I think Bell would be a great change of pace option. Dayne was most effective in his first year in NY pairing with Tiki Barber (thunder and lightning). He will be effective in Denver's scheme and WILL be the starter within the next few weeks.

[fontaine]

I don't care who the RB is as long as the playcalling is supporting the RB.

Our offense has so far managed to put up all of 23 points in 8 quarters of football. Something's got to be done here because our defense and Special Teams bailed us out this time but our offense has got to get in gear and perhaps giving Bell more plays to the outside would help.

[BroncoSoja]

LMFAO @ you. Yeah, I'm going to "trust somebody who makes a post bashing fellow bronco fans. Uhh If I were a "bandwagoner". Most likely wouldn't be saying Tatum will be our starter. Now would I? You know nothing about the kid, So no I'm not going to "trust you". Mike is over the hill and ran like it.

First of all "Fellow bronco fans" my arse.. These people are nothing but wagoneers that jump ship each and ever week. Second of all you dont have to trust me for nothing, watch the game it speaks volumes.. Watts and Tater were both moved down in the selection process and for good reason and the people that stepped in for them (dayne and Adams) peformed pretty well.. Well enough to take over the number one spot? lol Please.

[BroncoSoja]

Dayne was clearly the #2 back yesterday before Bell got hurt. He was clearly more effective than Anderson who is clearly past his prime. Yes, he's a good soldier and team guy, etc. But, this is not about that. It's about an effective running game which have not had all season except for that ONE DRIVE. Dayne has earned more touches. I think Bell would be a great change of pace option. Dayne was most effective in his first year in NY pairing with Tiki Barber (thunder and lightning). He will be effective in Denver's scheme and WILL be the starter within the next few weeks.


Im willing to bet my account here vs yours that Dayne will not be the starter in the next few weeks? Because as soon as Mike recovers he will take the job again and silience all you critics (of a INJURED player).. You willing to take me up on that bet?

Here is alittle word of advice.. Daynes Blocking is Horrible, if you people get your way and he is the starter Plumber is going to get killed...hmm Then agian that might not be such a bad idea since I do belive Plumber is a average QB at best anyways...

[BroncoSoja]

If what you say is true than why was Dayne in the game instead of Anderson?? Obviously Shanny thought Denver needed a change at RB or Mike would have been in the game.


Dayne subbed for Mike all game, watch the game agian... He had some good runs on that drive, only a idiot would have taken him out.. Hell I would have even kept him in there on that ONE drive..

Ever watch some games when TD was playing towards the end and OG came in and provided some good runs? Did that mean TD lost his job? Goodness people get off Mikes nuts I know you hate marines but comeon he is injured. Let him atleast heal before the cries for his demotion come out.

[bombquixote]

So let me get this straight MA has an extremly painfull injury (trust me I know) and Ron Dayne looks good on ONE DRIVE and your ready to give the nod to Ron and bail on Mike... Typical bronco fan, your probably one of those that was saying Q was the next Barry Sanders I bet... Im willing to bet money you were.

One more thing Wagoneers, watch the game agian closely and watch the huge holes that the Oline opened up for Dayne ON THE LAST DRIVE, then watch agian and see those holes not really there when Mike was in most of the time..If anything the Oline should get credit for digging in deep late in the game and controlling the line.. I could have ran in a wheel chair through some of holes on that drive.

Stop jumping wagons so quicly people, watch Mike have a good game next week and most of you same people be back on his Gonads.

the nod, my little hombre, goes to whoever gets the job done. i love mike anderson. he's a good all-round football player and he's willing to do anything for the team. he gives everything he has. and yes, i too know exactly how painful rib injuries can be. but injuries or not, he was too slow today, bottom line. there were plenty of holes for him in the first half where he simply couldn't make the cut fast enough. he'd end up getting three where tatum or dayne would've gained eight or more. maybe he'll get another chance, and if he does i hope he kicks ass, because i want the broncs to kick ass. my guess, though, is he'll no longer be the feature back.

as far as jumping wagons...i'm on the broncs wagon. you got a problem with that, you can kiss my ass. this game is about adapting to circumstances, making adjustments to win the game. that means playing the players most likely to get the W. right now that very well might be dayne or even tatum over MA.

and no, i was never a big Q supporter. i always thought he was too small to be feature back. i thought we toyed with him for too long and i was glad when we cut him. i'm sure i posted something to this effect during the height of the Q craze. do a search, and pay up.

[Bronco9798]

Dayne subbed for Mike all game, watch the game agian... He had some good runs on that drive, only a idiot would have taken him out.. Hell I would have even kept him in there on that ONE drive..

Ever watch some games when TD was playing towards the end and OG came in and provided some good runs? Did that mean TD lost his job? Goodness people get off Mikes nuts I know you hate marines but comeon he is injured. Let him atleast heal before the cries for his demotion come out.


After reading this thread I think you're sleeping with Anderson or he's paying you child support. :nono:

Talk about hanging on somebody's nuts.

[bombquixote]

Bell/Dayne? lol what has either of them done.. Dayne has O N E good drive and Bell runs through a few gaping holes and gets knocked back for most of the game and you want to put them ahead of someone who has actually gotten multiple 100 yard games for us in the past..

Im going to say this one more time to you fat couch patatoes, Mike Anderson has a extremly Painfull injury right now it will get healed and he will be back to normal... Bell/Dayne have been playing there whole short careers as if they have had painfull injurys... Compare the numbers of the three then come holla at me.. I dont bail on hurt players unlike most of the so called FANS on this site...And I damn sure dont jump on Wagons of players that have O N E good drive...


Blah im done when mike gets healed and starts to act up you wagoneers will be all up on his once agian... And Ron Dayne will be the next Mike Jones. Who?

that was more than "one good drive" on dayne's part. that was crunch time. it was THE GAME-WINNING DRIVE. and he got it done.

and i'm not fat.

[DrFate]

I don't think anyone is bashing Anderson. He wasn't productive against MIA and wasn't productive yesterday. If that falls on the OLine, so be it - they haven't been consistent. But Dayne ran better behind the same OLine and I think earned himself a few more carries for this week.

If Anderson's failings are an 8-man-front then Kubiak needs to make some adjustments sooner rather than later.

We all want to see Bell on the field as an improvement over Portis. But for some reason he hasn't been able to get there.

Dayne earned a few more touches, regardless of 'why' he got yards yesterday.

[Ballhawk]

I don't get the Anderson bashing.

He wasn't getting yards because the San Diego game plan clearly was designed to stop the run and force Plummer to win the game...on the theory that he couldn't.

The Chargers run blitzed mercilessly early, along with frequent 7-8 man fronts.

By the time Dayne got any appreciable carries, Denver was changing up the play calling effectively so the run blitz would've been too risky.

..and Anderson made a drive-saving catch in the third quarter that was every much as important as any catch in the game.

He'll get his yards, but, to his credit, Dayne did look good.

I love MA, just not as our full time back. Dayne has come in this year and has done nothing but compete. Is he the answer ??? He has earned a shot IMO.

[Al Wilson]

I seriously think it will be Dayne.

[mattleecrew]

I love MA, just not as our full time back. Dayne has come in this year and has done nothing but compete. Is he the answer ??? He has earned a shot IMO.

I know everyone seems eager to get dayne more chances but do you think he still has more to learn from someone like MA who has been in our system much longer. It was college when dayne last played in a similar system and im sure theres plenty of nuances to picking up blitzes, making your blocks, running the right routes that could be learned watching bell and anderson execute plays. If I could change things I would like to see more of Bell as the primary back and have anderson use some of that force in short yardage situations where his hard nosed play is more usefull as well as his sure hands for those short pass plays. Keep him fresh and hard hitting through a whole game while a younger quicker bell tires out the D on the first few downs

[AlienBronco]

Since both MA and Bell are not healthy now, Dayne gets the call. Remember people we are only carrying 3 RB on the rooster now, this might come back to haunt use latter in the season.

[Ballhawk]

I know everyone seems eager to get dayne more chances but do you think he still has more to learn from someone like MA who has been in our system much longer. It was college when dayne last played in a similar system and im sure theres plenty of nuances to picking up blitzes, making your blocks, running the right routes that could be learned watching bell and anderson execute plays. If I could change things I would like to see more of Bell as the primary back and have anderson use some of that force in short yardage situations where his hard nosed play is more usefull as well as his sure hands for those short pass plays. Keep him fresh and hard hitting through a whole game while a younger quicker bell tires out the D on the first few downs

Bell/Dayne whoever. I am not hating on MA, but he is a 3 yards pile of dust runner. That means long drives, more third down conversions, more times Jake needs to make the right decision to keep a drive moving.

IMO the problem with our offense is the same as I brought up predraft. We are a quick strike offense running a west coast system. All our playmakers Ash, Putz, Bell, Watts are designed for the big play not 5 yard chain moving plays. Would we care if Watts dropped a 7 yarder if he came back and caught a 50 yard TD? We put up 17 points, we could do better if Bell hit a couple big runs and Ash caught a couple big passes. The redzone is just not a friend of this team, we bog down. If we had a couple big chain moving WRs and TEs (alla Eddie and Sharpe) then ya I could live with 3rd and 3 all the time. However watching Ash, Putz and Bell try to catch the ball in traffic is just disheatning. Problem is Jake is not a pure passing QB that can hit the big one consistantly. We really are an O of mismatched parts.

[mattleecrew]

Bell/Dayne whoever. I am not hating on MA, but he is a 3 yards pile of dust runner. That means long drives, more third down conversions, more times Jake needs to make the right decision to keep a drive moving.

IMO the problem with our offense is the same as I brought up predraft. We are a quick strike offense running a west coast system. All our playmakers Ash, Putz, Bell, Watts are designed for the big play not 5 yard chain moving plays. Would we care if Watts dropped a 7 yarder if he came back and caught a 50 yard TD? We put up 17 points, we could do better if Bell hit a couple big runs and Ash caught a couple big passes. The redzone is just not a friend of this team, we bog down. If we had a couple big chain moving WRs and TEs (alla Eddie and Sharpe) then ya I could live with 3rd and 3 all the time. However watching Ash, Putz and Bell try to catch the ball in traffic is just disheatning. Problem is Jake is not a pure passing QB that can hit the big one consistantly. We really are an O of mismatched parts.


It seems like a part of the problem is not adjusting the offensive scheme to the talent we have. Instead we try to fill holes in the system with talent that doesnt match what we had in the superbowl heyday.
Just as we are not going to find a QB to match what elway delivered for us, can we truly expect our rb, te and wr's to do what our superbowl core teams had accomplished? Its not the same mix of character, ability and talent that took the field before. There is plenty of all 3 qualities found in the current roster but it is a different makeup. we need to adjust and work with what makes this current group successful. Its a challenge that shanny and kubiak have to step up to, address and deliver. Changing our rbs everytime someone fumbles or has a breakout game as a sub will get us nowhere but a mediocre season at the finishline.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A game against KC's awful run defense should be all you need to cure your running game ills. Am I right guys? High five anyone?

[Ballhawk]

It seems like a part of the problem is not adjusting the offensive scheme to the talent we have. Instead we try to fill holes in the system with talent that doesnt match what we had in the superbowl heyday.
Just as we are not going to find a QB to match what elway delivered for us, can we truly expect our rb, te and wr's to do what our superbowl core teams had accomplished? Its not the same mix of character, ability and talent that took the field before. There is plenty of all 3 qualities found in the current roster but it is a different makeup. we need to adjust and work with what makes this current group successful. Its a challenge that shanny and kubiak have to step up to, address and deliver. Changing our rbs everytime someone fumbles or has a breakout game as a sub will get us nowhere but a mediocre season at the finishline.

I agree with most of this. Shanny has a shceme that works well when it has the proper personel. He has whiffed on Oline recently and taking 5th rounders and trying to mold them into Denver's style is just not working (here is where we miss Gibbs, who had an eye for late round gems). Get some talent on the line and a Big WR that can run after the catch, like Boldin or Chambers.

[DivineLegion]

We need to try starting Bell, IMO.

I like the speed, MA looked really bad today, injury or not.

Please take that picture of Julius down...you are gonna be so dissapointed when he sucks...Im an NC State homer and I can tell you hes not worth a #1

[Ballhawk]

A game against KC's awful run defense should be all you need to cure your running game ills. Am I right guys? High five anyone?

I think Dayne has fond memories...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think Dayne has fond memories...

Pfft. The Chiefs will have no trouble stopping Ron Dayne.

[mattleecrew]

I agree with most of this. Shanny has a shceme that works well when it has the proper personel. He has whiffed on Oline recently and taking 5th rounders and trying to mold them into Denver's style is just not working (here is where we miss Gibbs, who had an eye for late round gems). Get some talent on the line and a Big WR that can run after the catch, like Boldin or Chambers.

Funny you mention Boldin, cause he went only a few picks after we took terry pierce in the 3rd round. I had one of those big what if moments when we cut pierce a couple weeks ago.

[jonny1]

Why does a guy with 200 posts come on here and complain about bandwagon jumpers?

[meangene]

Im willing to bet my account here vs yours that Dayne will not be the starter in the next few weeks? Because as soon as Mike recovers he will take the job again and silience all you critics (of a INJURED player).. You willing to take me up on that bet?

Here is alittle word of advice.. Daynes Blocking is Horrible, if you people get your way and he is the starter Plumber is going to get killed...hmm Then agian that might not be such a bad idea since I do belive Plumber is a average QB at best anyways...

Your "account"? Are they charging you? Because mine is free. But I will tell you this - if Dayne is not starting by the Giants game I will not post for two weeks. If he is then you have to shut up for two weeks. And, here is a word of advice for you - the mere threat of an actual running game will do more to protect "mediocre" Plummer than another blocking back.

[BroncoSoja]

Bell/Dayne whoever. I am not hating on MA, but he is a 3 yards pile of dust runner. That means long drives, more third down conversions, more times Jake needs to make the right decision to keep a drive moving.



If MA is a "3 yards pile of a dust runner" why is his career average 4.5 yards a carry.. You people just hate MA for some reason I have no clue why he is nothing but a team player and has done nothing but preform well for us in his career.. Give the guy a break, he earned the RB position (which was open for graps) he didnt have it handed to him he took it.. And now that he is injured he should be given the oppurtunity to heal before you people dump all over him.

[BroncoSoja]

Your "account"? Are they charging you? Because mine is free. But I will tell you this - if Dayne is not starting by the Giants game I will not post for two weeks. If he is then you have to shut up for two weeks. And, here is a word of advice for you - the mere threat of an actual running game will do more to protect "mediocre" Plummer than another blocking back.


Sounds good to me deal... BTW do me a favor look up MA's career stats and then look up Daynes.. GG KTHXBYE...

[Ballhawk]

If MA is a "3 yards pile of a dust runner" why is his career average 4.5 yards a carry.. You people just hate MA for some reason I have no clue why he is nothing but a team player and has done nothing but preform well for us in his career.. Give the guy a break, he earned the RB position (which was open for graps) he didnt have it handed to him he took it.. And now that he is injured he should be given the oppurtunity to heal before you people dump all over him.

Throw out his rookie year and what is his average? Hell Faulk has a great career ypc, but he is not the man.

Dayne has never, ever been given a chance...give him one. If he bombs then there will always be MA.

[meangene]

Sounds good to me deal... BTW do me a favor look up MA's career stats and then look up Daynes.. GG KTHXBYE...

I guess Jerry Rice should be starting ahead of Rod Smith...you know, since he has better career stats. What have you done for me lately? Thats what matters....ABCDEFG

[BigPlayShay]

Shanny said in his press conference today that MA is still the starter, so all this Dayne starting talk is moot. However, all 3 will be used this year. Shanny also said that if Tatum had not gone down that he would have been utilized in the game.

[rbackfactory80]

A game against KC's awful run defense should be all you need to cure your running game ills. Am I right guys? High five anyone?


down low,other side

[BroncoSoja]

I guess Jerry Rice should be starting ahead of Rod Smith...you know, since he has better career stats. What have you done for me lately? Thats what matters....ABCDEFG


So going by your logic, everytime a guy subs another guy on a drive and does pretty well the starter should be replaced... Well then I guess Lelie better move over for Adams then.

Your a trip, a underachiever has ONE I SAY O N E good drive and all of a sudden he is the Messiah of the Broncos running game.. Laff.


P.S look im not hear to hate on RD, hell if he keeps it up and outperforms the other two so be it.. The best man should have the ball in his hands. But on the same token I dont belive people bailing on a Injured player who has done nothing but perform well is the answer either... But like I said, MA will show you guys something and you will be all up his sack once agian... Cause that what wagoneers do.

[Bronco Yoda]

First of all I'm a big MA fan. Love his toughnes, team spirit and believe he deserved being the starter week1 and should remain so until someone else takes it from hime.

HOWEVER.....

I'd start Dayne this week. I wanted him to start last week.

Why?

Turnovers. Jackets and Running backs don't mix and you're only asking for trouble running with a jacket. It's just real hard to hang onto the ball with one of those on and Turnover ration is a big determination between close contests.

I was going to mention this last week but didn't want to 'jinx' it. I was neither surprised by or mad at MA when he fumbled at the 1 yard line.

Why take the risk when you really don't have to? Let someone else carry the load and bring in MA here and there to keep fresh and on key blocking downs. It's not as if MA is a superstar and Dayne is a rook.

I'd say Bell but he hasn't shown he can push the pile yet. With KC's offense we need looooooooooooooooong sustained drives.

WE NEED TO GRIND....GRIND.....GRIND..... first down by first down ...down the field.

Second point. don't turn it over.

Our Defense is good enought to muzzle the KC offense if it's rested. But we DO NOT want to get into a shoot out. Our Offense isn't up to it yet.

Bell hasn't been able to push the pile. What good is a big threat in this type of game unless he has proven he can do it a few times a game.... and again he really hasn't. He's got potential but as of yet thats all.

And I don't want our Defense wearing out again like in week 1.

I say start the Great Dayne and mix in the other two when and where needed.



Anderson will still keep is 'starters' job officialy and he'll heal soon. Bell needs to have a few touches to develope and Dayne has earned to take the load for awhile provided he can continue to handle it. He is a Vet.

Grind........Grind........Grind.......KC into the ground.

[meangene]

So going by your logic, everytime a guy subs another guy on a drive and does pretty well the starter should be replaced... Well then I guess Lelie better move over for Adams then.

Your a trip, a underachiever has ONE I SAY O N E good drive and all of a sudden he is the Messiah of the Broncos running game.. Laff.


P.S look im not hear to hate on RD, hell if he keeps it up and outperforms the other two so be it.. The best man should have the ball in his hands. But on the same token I dont belive people bailing on a Injured player who has done nothing but perform well is the answer either... But like I said, MA will show you guys something and you will be all up his sack once agian... Cause that what wagoneers do.

Depends on the starter and depends on the backup. MA has not been a feature back since he was a rookie and was out all of last year and, so far, hurt all of this year. Dayne played better in his limited opportunity. He should be starting now because he has earned that shot with MA hurt. My guess is he will take the job and run with it. I would not be saying he has earned the right to start yet if MA were healthy and showing something. But he is not and has not. And, I think Dayne is the better back and with enough touches he will show it. I think by year end the rotation will be Dayne, Bell, Anderson. Not jumping on any bandwagon - it's my opinion. Hell, I was really disappointed Bell did not step up and earn the job this preseason. I'll be happy if SOMEBODY steps up even if its MA and I'm deprived of the pleasure of your silence for two weeks!

PS If it were third down and we needed a catch to keep a drive alive I'd take Adams over Lelie and day.

[DBroncos4life]

Hey Matt its not like the system is that new to Dayne, he ran with a zone blocking team in college, that said we should go with the back that is 100%.

[DarkHorse]

Quit pussyfooting around and give Tatum a shot.

[mattleecrew]

Hey Matt its not like the system is that new to Dayne, he ran with a zone blocking team in college, that said we should go with the back that is 100%.


I understand that he came from it but he then spent a number of years in ny having it beat out of his head. Just as long as hes sharpened those skills he mastered in college. After being in a different system i want to give him the time to get it all back before we put it in his hands and say the team is yours.

[DBroncos4life]

I understand that he came from it but he then spent a number of years in ny having it beat out of his head. Just as long as hes sharpened those skills he mastered in college. After being in a different system i want to give him the time to get it all back before we put it in his hands and say the team is yours.



Well he left college as the best running back ever playing in that system so I don't think it will take him that long to pick it back up. Either way if he is the only back 100% then he should be the guy starting.

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3933&dateline=1127146108

I can't even think straight. Please change that avatar.

[Ballhawk]

Perfect week to start Dayne, he would be so pumped for this game, having waited 4 years for it.

[mattleecrew]

Well he left college as the best running back ever playing in that system so I don't think it will take him that long to pick it back up. Either way if he is the only back 100% then he should be the guy starting.

I agree with you there, if MA still needs the flakjacket and is a bit raw then yeah start the #2 man and thats dayne now. Then use MA sporadically through the game.

[BigPlayShay]

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=4691

By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Ron Dayne may have toted the football on the game-winning drive late Sunday afternoon, but the starting running-back position still belongs to Mike Anderson, Head Coach Mike Shanahan confirmed at his Monday media briefing.

"It's always tough when a guy misses a couple of days of practice," Shanahan said. "I thought he did a good job."

Anderson played Sunday wearing a flak jacket to protect his ribs and said it partially contributed to the fumble he lost on the Broncos' first possession.

"That played a part of that," Anderson said. "I don’t want to put it out there like that had a lot to do with it. I have to wrap the ball up. I mean, he (San Diego's Donnie Edwards) got a good shot on me too. Iaven’t seen it yet, but I know I took a good shot on that. But hey, I’ve got to do better than that."

Nevertheless, the jacket affected how the sixth-year back carried the football.

"You’re used to having the ball really tight on your hip, on the side of your stomach. And then you go from that feeling that you’re used to to having, and now the ball’s out with space and you've got a little air between and you can’t really feel it all the time against the side of your stomach."

Anderson believes that at some point, the pain from the separated rib cartilage will subside.

"I don't expect it to be the entire year. We just have to see day to day," he said. "We'll just have to see. Right now, I don’t know. I just wish it would go away. It is what it is."

[TheReverend]

Disaster strikes... what's worse is anyone looks like a hero running on KC

[MajikMan7]

Anderson hasn't done $hit all season and offseason. Wow he had one huge run against Indy in the Preseason (anybody could have taken it to the house with that big of a hole). This whole situation is ****ing ridiculous. Dayne earned himself some carries, now give them to him Shanny, you ****ing moron. If Dayne doesn't get atleast 15 carries against KC I'm gone.............kidding, I wouldn't do you guys that favor.




......and that is why Don Majkowski is my hero

[meangene]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3933&dateline=1127146108

I can't even think straight. Please change that avatar.

Hey, what kind of crack is that?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Disaster strikes... what's worse is anyone looks like a hero running on KC

Curtis Martin sure did, didn't he?